Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Florian Xaver
In short, the wheel stuff is less foolproof than the protocol without wheel, and as 95% of the DOS apps do not use the wheel anyway, Yes, but 3 apps that are important: 4DOS, Arachne (but it needs its own ctmouse??) and Mpxplay. Bye Flo

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 3-Янв-2008 12:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lyricalnanoha) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: is empty or attached mouse in Mouse Systems mode. :) And Genius mice are long ago based on Logitech protocol. l ... Forget Genius. All (newer) Genius mice, which I seen, was working

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Flox, In short, the wheel stuff is less foolproof than the protocol without wheel, and as 95% of the DOS apps do not use the wheel anyway, Yes, but 3 apps that are important: 4DOS, Arachne (but it needs its own ctmouse??) and Mpxplay. Then users of those apps will have to live with

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS reads DVD discs

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi HCL, I found it in the Australian PC magazine (APC) DVD and modified it in my desktop that works well. Ah nice! I wonder whether we could get a copy of whatever they write about us so we can put it on our press coverage corner on our homepage? I don't know if this feature has been

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 4-Янв-2008 00:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: I not seen your edition yet, so I not have any ideas. :) EA It is on www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/ctmouse21b3.zip I look at it later, now I busy with editing book about Narekatsi

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 3-Янв-2008 13:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alain M.) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: In that case, you probably want disable wheel to be the default, too, as disabling the wheel improves compatibility quite a bit. AM I 100% agree. I think, this is important only for PS2,

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi again, EA has an option /Y ignore Mouse Systems, and most people I myself always use /y - I not like and not use mouse systems mice, whereas I prefer not remain in my RAM useless code stubs. EA So you agree to make /y the default :-) No. I just express my own preference, but this not

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Arkady, you are right, disabling the wheel only helps compatibility in the PS2 case. But as said, I assumed that wheel usage in DOS is rare, so /O (OPT_noWheel) affects both PS2 and COM at the moment even though COM wheels seem to be no real risk for compatibility... Would be easy to change

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Ladislav Lacina
If you by default disable the wheel (and I think it is not good idea) you definitely must write some mouse tool which can detect mouse. It is necessary for FreeDOS installers. Installer calls this tool and found whether mouse has or hasn't the wheel and than can adjust the AUTOEXEC.BAT file.

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Alain M.
Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: In that case, you probably want disable wheel to be the default, too, as disabling the wheel improves compatibility quite a bit. AM I 100% agree. AB I think, this is important only for PS2, where wheel support is dumb AB and unreliable. In serial protocols

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Ladislav Lacina
Yes, but 3 apps that are important: 4DOS, Arachne (but it needs its own ctmouse??) and Mpxplay. Arachne works with normal 2.xx Ctmouse. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R)

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Alain (including a reply for Ladislav), L If you by default disable the wheel (and I think it is not good L idea) you definitely must write some mouse tool which can detect L mouse. It is necessary for FreeDOS installers. Installer calls L this tool and found whether mouse has or hasn't the

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 4-Янв-2008 17:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: L If you by default disable the wheel (and I think it is not good L idea) Unfortunately, for PS2 this IS good idea. :( L you definitely must write some mouse tool which can detect L mouse.

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 4-Янв-2008 15:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: No. I just express my own preference, but this not mean, that changing program behavior will not have negative impact on other users. So, my vote nearer to against. EA I still think /y is a good

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Want? Capturing first port is usually safe and not hurt, there only one drawback - extra stub in memory. COM port mice are the exception now, so allowing MSys mode means that a mouse driver is loaded at a place where no mouse exists (and no mouse will be connected to the COM port later

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 4-Янв-2008 15:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: EA you are right, disabling the wheel only helps compatibility EA in the PS2 case. But as said, I assumed that wheel usage in EA DOS is rare, so /O (OPT_noWheel) affects both PS2 and COM EA at the

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Arkady, /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R extension. Now there remains only option. If /3 has no effect now, it should be removed from /?

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 5-Янв-2008 00:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R extension.

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R It has effect - without it, PS2 handler will not return info about 3rd Well but then /3 only affects

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

2008-01-04 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 5-Янв-2008 01:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R It has