Re: [Freedos-user] Little Sister

2010-09-11 Thread Willi Wasser
You are getting closer, but you have still not really explained what it actually does. What does monitor mean? What protocols does it support? What network stacks? What network services? What kind of monitoring? What kind of display? What information is displayed? Does it update

[Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
Hi, I was given two (old) portable computers in which I installed FreeDOS. After a few weeks experimenting with them and getting countless corrupted files, I concluded that processor overheating must be the reason. I suspected overheating after noticing that in the first few minutes after

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Mateusz Viste
Hi! On Saturday 11 September 2010 09:45 (CEST), Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: I'm now experimenting with FDAPM and THROTTLE to reduce processor speed, with partial success. Corrupted files still appear, only in smaller quantities. No, CPU speed reduction is not the way to go. You

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
This is just the opposite of what I expected. I always thought that it is easier for a processor to run DOS than Windows. In case you care about the technical background: DOS is dumb. When waiting for user input, it (all DOS versions I know) by default just loops forever until a key was

[Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
Hi Mateusz, Christian, FDAPM APMDOS solved the problem. It is very efficient. Now the processor running FreeDOS is just as cool as it was running the Windows that was originally in the computer. I'm also experimenting in another portable, a ThinkPad 330 MHz, and apparently it is working there

Re: [Freedos-user] [lazy] FreeDOS @ http://www.sf-day.org/: logos? distributions?

2010-09-11 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Oleg O Chukaev oleg-chuk...@yandex.ru writes: But note that I'm looking for /free software/ games, not merely /freeware/ ones (i. e., «free as in freedom».) The particular intent is that those interested in programming could be given Minesweeper and Sokoban clones:

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Robert Riebisch
Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: Thanks a lot for a *very* useful hint. But you already knew this. ;-) Just remember your messages from December 2009 to this list. And of course thanks to Eric too for having written FDAPM in the first place :-) He also added IDLEHALT to FDCONFIG.SYS.

[Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: Thanks a lot for a *very* useful hint. But you already knew this. ;-) Just remember your messages from December 2009 to this list. OK, let me explain in more detail, otherwise someone may think I did not pay attention

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
What happened was, I had stopped using FDAPM with the portables after finding that it was interfering with Bret Johnson's USB keyboard driver. Hence the overheating. Did you report that to Bret already? Regards, Christian

[Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread john s wolter
If the processor overheats with other OS's like IBM PC DOS(any version) then could it be the hardware. I'm guessing obviously. I just can't remember an old DOS portable(transportable) like an old 15 kg Compaq that would overheat this way. I've built power-supplies from parts and I've never seen

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
All versions of DOS I know require the use of a TSR (like FDAPM, or MS-DOS's POWER) to idle correctly, or of a program that does the idling itself (I don't know any COMMAND.COM version that does so). However, as the flawed call usually will simply be called by idle-unaware software, an

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 02:53 PM 9/11/2010, john s wolter wrote: Christian, I must be ignorant of this need to idle a program to prevent overheating. First thinking of the 8088/86, 80286, 80386, 80486 system boards of the 1980's and early 1990's. I can't remember overheating caused by looping programs. I wrote

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread dos386
I'd suggest to reduce CPU frequency if possible or to improve the cooling / ventilation. Among other flaws mentioned above this definitely is a mechanical / thermal flaw because the CPU should NOT be able to overheat even if it is very busy or executes flawed code. Imagine compressing a large file

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread Garrison Ricketson
Hello, every one,   Just  to say hello and I have been reading the news letters, as the come in,..  Actually maybe one question, I may have asked this along time ago, and either missed the answer, or never was one...  I have a PacMan game, that is intended for Dos, it runs well with FreeDos,

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread dos386
Are there Dust-Bunnies inside the power-supply? Is the p-s fan working? Is there a CPU fan and is it working? FYI, I indeed did have a PC (not laptop) with this problem. Removing all the dust mess not only removed all mysterious crashes but also the CPU fan noise went massively down :-) --

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
Apparently, in the Windows partition there is an emulator. This direction does not get you anywhere, because the emulator's output is simply the Windows driver for your sound card. MPXPLAY is working great for music on FreeDOS, so the sound capabilities are there. This is better. Now learn

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
Seems you're not old enough to ever have worked with one of the 5V Pentium CPUs (60/66MHz) for example... LOL I didn't really care at the time. I can assure you the AMD K-4 (~ 300 MHz) and Pentium II (~ 250 MHz) boards that I still regularly use do profit from idling too. But really,

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread dos386
I may have asked this along time ago, and either missed the answer, or never was one... this had been asked already 1'000'000'000'000 times ;-) it runs well with FreeDos, also,..but it never can detect sound blaster, and that is the only sound device it can use... The game is obsolete and

[Freedos-user] DOS USB Device Problem

2010-09-11 Thread Lee Eric
Hi, I use a DOS USB Drivers from bretjohnson.us, someone here ever suggest this driver before on this list. However, I'm not familiar with this, I took steps and installed the driver but system will hang or tell me wrong IRQ. So could anyone show me an example to setup this driver? Or if there's

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS USB Device Problem

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
I use a DOS USB Drivers from bretjohnson.us, someone here ever suggest this driver before on this list. However, I'm not familiar with this, I took steps and installed the driver but system will hang or tell me wrong IRQ. So could anyone show me an example to setup this driver? Please specify

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS USB Device Problem

2010-09-11 Thread dos386
So could anyone show me an example to setup this driver? NO. It's easy and documented. I took steps and installed the driver but system will hang or tell me wrong IRQ. Provide details. Get http://www.file-pasta.com/file/0/PCI.ZI7 (original page dead) and post details about USB stuff and

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread Pat Villani
Dosbox is an emulator that emulates an x86 processor and PC hardware. In this way, it is similar to qemu or bochs. It goes one step beyond in that they added to the emulator a DOS-like interface that maps the native file system into the DOS system calls, as well as the remaining DOS and BIOS

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
Dosbox [...] goes one step beyond in that they added to the emulator a DOS-like interface that maps the native file system into the DOS system calls, as well as the remaining DOS and BIOS system calls. I might add that I would not generally recommend using the DOSBox built-in DOS for

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread dos386
Dosbox is an emulator that emulates an x86 processor and PC hardware In this way, it is similar to qemu or bochs good ... It goes one step beyond in that they added to the emulator a DOS-like interface that maps the native file system into the DOS system calls, as well as the remaining DOS

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread Christian Masloch
- Remove the word DOS from the name (the thing is unable to boot into a PC, so it's not a OS and thus not a DOS) I don't think they use the term for it, sorry for confusing you. - Remove the DOS-like interface that maps the native file system (so turn it into a clean 80386 / 80486 / early

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos-user, SoundBlaster ?

2010-09-11 Thread Pat Villani
That's Bochs. Pat On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:21 PM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Dosbox is an emulator that emulates an x86 processor and PC hardware In this way, it is similar to qemu or bochs good ... It goes one step beyond in that they added to the emulator a DOS-like interface that

Re: [Freedos-user] Processor overheating under DOS

2010-09-11 Thread john s wolter
Christian, It basically is related to current system board design and therefore the dangling question is what aspect of design. What if anything has changed since that time? Are you referring to libraries, the CPU or something entirely else with this question? I'm referring to the CPU