Re: [Freedos-user] Trying to install Freedos 1.1 reboots computer

2014-07-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

 I need to reinstall Windows anyway, so I thought I'd try installing Freedos 
 first since I have a USB flash drive
 that boots on two computers I have access to but not on my computer.  I have 
 already included my system
 information in the thread Blinking Cursor when booting Freedos.  I believe 
 the problem two problems
 are related and boil down to BIOS settings or hardware incompatibility.

 Install to harddisk and Create drive C: reboots the computer.
 Boot from system harddisk works right, bringing up the GRUB menu.

 I have multiple partitions and would like to install to the one of my choice.

Try installing manually, i.e. fdisk, fdapm coldboot, format, sys. I
assume you know the drill.   :-)

Also, which FDISK are you trying to use? Presumably FD Fdisk? Perhaps
(since someone mentioned SATA) that SPFdisk would work better for
you??

 Any Ideas?  FAQs I should read?

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/fdisk.htm

 USB Flash Drive: TOSHIBA TransM

Maybe this particular jump drive is old or defective? Can you get
another OS (e.g. Fedora via liveUSB) working on it? Or can you use
another jump drive entirely?

Have you tried similar tools on this jump drive? Can you try
UNetBootIn or RUFUS?

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
http://rufus.akeo.ie/

 How-to used: http://chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/howto/


This HOWTO is rather terse. In October 2013 I wrote a new HOWTO
explaining how to generate your own bootable FreeDOS image file,
suitable for dd'ing onto a USB stick or booting via PXE. I think the
new HOWTO is more elaborate than the one you are reading right now, so
please take a look at it.


So, erm, please try the new HOWTO, and see if that works better:

http://chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/image-generation-howto/

 BIOS settings:

 Secure Virtual Machine Mode: Enabled

 AMD Cool 'N' Quiet: Enabled
 USB Operation Mode: High Speed

 ACPI Suspend Type: S3
 Remote Wake Up:Enabled

Try disabling any (or all) of these.

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[Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught
I tried Rufus again, this time writing down error messages.

C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS=  0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 14792MB
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
D: HD3, Pri[ 1], CHS=  0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 200MB

BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!

Info about Freedos used by Rufus:
FreeDOS kernel 2041 (build 2041 OEM:0xfd)
Kernel compatibility 7.10 - WATCOMC - FAT32 support

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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Louis Santillan
Looks like a BIOS issue.  What hard drive/chipset options do you have when
you enter the BIOS?  The online docs I'm able to find don't show a whole
lot of configurability.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

 I tried Rufus again, this time writing down error messages.

 C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS=  0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 14792MB
 BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
 BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
 D: HD3, Pri[ 1], CHS=  0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 200MB

 BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!

 Info about Freedos used by Rufus:
 FreeDOS kernel 2041 (build 2041 OEM:0xfd)
 Kernel compatibility 7.10 - WATCOMC - FAT32 support


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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:

 On 2014-07-12 12:03 (GMT-0700) Dave Stevens composed:

 I need to make a bootable DOS disk and don't see how. I have a
 computer that needs a BIOS update. Instructions are to make a bootable
 DOZ diskette, boot from that, run the manufactorer's update program
 and the BIOS update will be copied into the ROM. But! the smallest
 boot diskette I can make doesn't have enough room for the update
 program and the BIOS image.

 You don't need everything on one floppy. Put the BIOS image on a separate
 floppy. After booting, switch floppies, then flash.

 You don't have to use a floppy. All you really need is any boot disk that
 doesn't load drivers or other fluff into RAM during boot. If you have an
 extra HD, create a small DOS partition on it, do format C: /S, put the flash
 program and bios image on it, boot from it without any AUTOEXEC.BAT or
 CONFIG.SYS, then flash.

I don't have a spare hard drive to use. I tried rufus and it ALMOST  
does what I want but seems to be set up to install freedos on a drive.  
I don't want that. I'd like to make a bootable USB flash drive that  
boots to an A: prompt with lots of space.

Changing diskettes to the one with the flash program and bios image  
fails for some reason when changing diskettes.

Ideas?

Dave

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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread Matej Horvat
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:37:28 +0200, Dave Stevens g...@uniserve.com wrote:

 I don't have a spare hard drive to use. I tried rufus and it ALMOST
 does what I want but seems to be set up to install freedos on a drive.

No, it's not. Did you give it an ISO image? You can just choose Create a  
bootable disk using FreeDOS and it will only copy the kernel,  
COMMAND.COM, and KEYB (I think).

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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-07-16 10:37 (GMT-0700) Dave Stevens composed:

 Changing diskettes to the one with the flash program and bios image
 fails for some reason when changing diskettes.

 Ideas?

1-configure a boot floppy with USB support
2-put the flash program and new BIOS file on a USB stick
3-try flashing immediately after boot by prepending drive letter to flash 
program

That may not work if the flash program isn't smart enough to find the BIOS 
binary on the non-current drive, in which case:

4-add command.com to the USB stick
5-boot the floppy
6-change to the drive letter allocated to the USB stick
7-flash

Another alternative: old floppy drives and dual drive cables are in virtually 
every small shop that fixes puters. Put a second one on the cable to put the 
#2 floppy in. That's how PCs were used before HDs for PCs existed. Also, old 
shops tend to have old small HDs nobody wants they will sell dirt cheap or 
give away. With a PATA to SATA converter one of those with a small FAT 
primary partition containing only boot and flash files could be used even for 
a brand new puter. Similar goes for ZIP drives, where you could put the flash 
files instead of on a second floppy.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught
I figured it out. USB Operation Mode at High Speed interferes with Freedos 
installation and USB flash drive booting.  ACPI Suspend Type at S3 also 
interferes with Freedos installation.  I haven't actually installed Freedos 
yet, but I can get a listing of the partitions on the hard disk with fdisk.

After installing Rufus I ran dd to put an image on the disk (compressed file 
from 
chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/FreeDos-1.1-memstick-2-2048M.img.bz2).
 This was before I figured out the BIOS settings which interfered with booting. 
When booting from a flash USB drive, I can't access the hard drive, DVD drive, 
or the USB hard drive.  I can access the USB flash drive fine, at least with 
the dir command.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Trying to install Freedos 1.1 reboots computer

2014-07-16 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

 Try installing manually, i.e. fdisk, fdapm coldboot, format, sys.
 I assume you know the drill.   :-)

Indeed... use FDISK, FORMAT and SYS and throw in a few
reboots between steps to make sure that DOS is in sync
with all changes, just in case.

 USB Flash Drive: TOSHIBA TransM

Maybe your USB drive shows as C: when booting from it?
In that case, you want to install FreeDOS to D: if you
plan to install it on the harddisk...

 BIOS settings:

 Secure Virtual Machine Mode: Enabled

 AMD Cool 'N' Quiet: Enabled
 USB Operation Mode: High Speed

 ACPI Suspend Type: S3
 Remote Wake Up:Enabled

Note of those should cause any problems, but to save a
bit of energy, I would suggest to disable remote wakeup
(wake-on-lan) in the BIOS if you do not really need it.

In particular, I recommend to keep Cool n Quiet enabled.

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught
Here is my autoexec.bat file below.  Note it has uide.sys and shsucdx already.  
I don't know if the options are correct for my system, though.  The last time I 
messed with DOS was about 15-20 years ago when I didn't have a CD Drive, let 
alone a DVD drive.  By the way, it plays Blu-ray disks too, don't know if that 
matters.  The only difference between using 
FreeDOS-1.1-memstick-2-2048M.img.bz2 and the manual HOWTO 
(http://chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/howto/) as far as the 
autoexec.bat file goes is one has mouse and the other ctmouse.


@echo off 
set lang=EN
set PATH=%dosdir%\bin
set NLSPATH=%dosdir%\NLS 
set HELPPATH=%dosdir%\HELP
set temp=%dosdir%\temp
set tmp=%dosdir%\temp
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330
set DIRCMD=/P /OGN
if %config%==4 goto end
lh doslfn 
SHSUCDX /QQ /D3
IF EXIST FDBOOTCD.ISO LH SHSUCDHD /Q /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO
LH FDAPM APMDOS
if %config%==2 LH SHARE
REM LH DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1)
REM NLSFUNC C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS
REM MODE CON CP PREP=((858) A:\cpi\EGA.CPX)
REM MODE CON CP SEL=858
REM CHCP 858
REM LH KEYB US,,C:\FDOS\bin\KEY\US.KL  
ctmouse 
DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\bin\uide.sys /D:FDCD0001 /S5
ShsuCDX /QQ /~ /D:?SHSU-CDH /D:?FDCD0001 /D:?FDCD0002 /D:?FDCD0003
mem /c /n
shsucdx /D
goto end
:end
SET autofile=C:\autoexec.bat
SET CFGFILE=C:\fdconfig.sys
alias reboot=fdapm warmboot 
alias halt=fdapm poweroff 
echo type HELP to get support on commands and navigation
echo.
echo Welcome to FreeDOS 1.1
echo.

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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Dave Stevens g...@uniserve.com wrote:
 Quoting Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:

 On 2014-07-12 12:03 (GMT-0700) Dave Stevens composed:

 I need to make a bootable DOS disk and don't see how. I have a
 computer that needs a BIOS update. But! the smallest
 boot diskette I can make doesn't have enough room for the update
 program and the BIOS image.

How big exactly is the update program + BIOS image? You said it
doesn't fit. Is it some kind of .EXE sfx, already compressed, or what?
Naively, I wonder if you tried 7-Zip to compress it. Then, as long as
you have about 60 kb free, you can add 7zdecode.exe (or use UHarc or
even paq8o8z or such).

 You don't need everything on one floppy. Put the BIOS image on a separate
 floppy. After booting, switch floppies, then flash.

 I don't have a spare hard drive to use. I tried rufus and it ALMOST
 does what I want but seems to be set up to install freedos on a drive.

RUFUS is not very big nor complete, by default, unless you use the
full 1.1 .iso. How big is your USB jump drive?

 I don't want that. I'd like to make a bootable USB flash drive that
 boots to an A: prompt with lots of space.

Probably boots as C:, is that not what you want?? Why? Just adjust
your .BATs. Or use SUBST. I'm not understanding the problem here.

 Changing diskettes to the one with the flash program and bios image
 fails for some reason when changing diskettes.

You probably need to copy /b the shell to a RAM disk, then set
COMSPEC=R:\COMMAND.COM or such.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

 Here is my autoexec.bat file below.  Note it has uide.sys and shsucdx already.
 I don't know if the options are correct for my system, though.  The last time
 I messed with DOS was about 15-20 years ago when I didn't have a CD Drive,
 let alone a DVD drive.  By the way, it plays Blu-ray disks too, don't know if
 that matters.

Dunno, I haven't used a lot of CDs in DOS in recent years either. I think I
tried it successfully, but honestly, I just don't have a lot of stuff, just
a few random old games that obviously weren't that urgent for me to
get working (at the time). I should probably test some more. Of
course, without sound (and whatnot), they are sometimes less
enjoyable.

Here's a snip from my setup:

123?DEVICE=C:\UTILS\XMGR.SYS /N128
DEVICEHIGH=C:\UTILS\UIDE.SYS /S127 /D:FDCD000 /H

shcdx33f /Q /D?FDCD000 /~

 @echo off
 set lang=EN
 set PATH=%dosdir%\bin

I don't see DOSDIR set here at all!   :-P

 lh doslfn
 SHSUCDX /QQ /D3

Can't remember if that's correct. Don't know if LFNs are needed in
most cases. Try disabling DOSLFN, for now.

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/shsucdx.htm

Okay, so where's the device name? And why reserve three drives?

 IF EXIST FDBOOTCD.ISO LH SHSUCDHD /Q /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO

Mounting an .ISO, eh?   :-)   Then I guess you don't need UIDE at all.

FYI, I never use this. If it works, good. Sounds messy, though. I
don't know if it's getting confused here or not. But definitely I am!
:-)

In other words, I just use the files directly and don't try to read
from .iso. Presumably it shouldn't be hard to extract the files and
manually copy them over.

 LH FDAPM APMDOS

You should probably disable this, for now.

 if %config%==2 LH SHARE

I don't even know how well (FD) SHARE works for us (incomplete?).

 ctmouse

Disable this, for now.

 DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\bin\uide.sys /D:FDCD0001 /S5
 ShsuCDX /QQ /~ /D:?SHSU-CDH /D:?FDCD0001 /D:?FDCD0002 /D:?FDCD0003

Eh? You're loading SHSUCDX twice? Okay, so indeed you are trying to
use three optical (CD/DVD) drives??

 shsucdx /D

No idea if this is required three different times. I would be surprised.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

 I figured it out. USB Operation Mode at High Speed interferes with 
 Freedos installation
 and USB flash drive booting.  ACPI Suspend Type at S3 also interferes 
 with Freedos
 installation.  I haven't actually installed Freedos yet, but I can get a 
 listing of the partitions
 on the hard disk with fdisk.

Okay, good to know.

 After installing Rufus I ran dd to put an image on the disk (compressed file 
 from
 chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/FreeDos-1.1-memstick-2-2048M.img.bz2).
 This was before I figured out the BIOS settings which interfered with booting.

Okay.

 When booting from a flash USB drive, I can't access the hard drive, DVD 
 drive, or the USB hard drive.
 I can access the USB flash drive fine, at least with the dir command.

So, even now, with BIOS adjusted, you're only seeing the jump drive?
If you can't access any hard drives, then something else is going
wrong.

I'm honestly too dumb to know what I'm talking about here, but you'll
have to enable legacy mode that doesn't use SATA or AHCI or
whatever. If your machine doesn't allow that, then you're out of luck.

Now, if you meant you can't see your (empty) hard drives in order to
partition them, you may want to use SPFdisk, which allegedly could
support SATA (not that I ever tried). So FD FDISK might not be able
to.

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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught
You can get a 16GB flash drive at MaoMart, I mean Walmart, of course for 
US$12.97 (at least in Cleveland, OH).


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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught
The autoexec.bat file is the default Freedos batch file.

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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught
USB drive, of course.




On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:41 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:
You can get a 16GB flash drive at MaoMart, I mean Walmart, of course for 
US$12.97 (at least in Cleveland, OH).

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Re: [Freedos-user] newbie help?

2014-07-16 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

 You can get a 16GB flash drive at MaoMart, I mean Walmart, of course for 
 US$12.97 (at least in Cleveland, OH).

I got a 32GB Micro Center branded USB drive at their location in NYC
for $15, and a 32GB Micro Center microSD card with full size SD
adapter for $13.  Brand name stuff, like Samsung and Toshiba, were
almost as cheap.

I believe Micro Center began and is HQed in Cleveland, so local to
you.  I'm delighted one opened where I am, as it provides a source for
all the fiddly bits I tend to need.  Staples, Best Buy, etc. may carry
what I want, but it won't be in stock in the stores and must be
ordered online.  I generally tend to need stuff on short notice, and
want to go to a store that day and come home with it.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

2014-07-16 Thread Bill Haught



I'm honestly too dumb to know what I'm talking about here, but 
you'll have to enable legacy mode that doesn't use SATA or 
AHCI or whatever. If your machine doesn't allow that, then you're out 
of luck.

Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID

Looks like I'm S.O.L.


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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support (was: Rufus error messages)

2014-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-07-16 17:18 (GMT-0700) Bill Haught composed:

 Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID

 Looks like I'm S.O.L.

BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think 
AHCI would include some degree of legacy support.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support (was: Rufus error messages)

2014-07-16 Thread Louis Santillan
Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
try booting from cd.

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:

 On 2014-07-16 17:18 (GMT-0700) Bill Haught composed:

  Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID

  Looks like I'm S.O.L.

 BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think
 AHCI would include some degree of legacy support.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-07-16 18:55 (GMT-0700) Louis Santillan composed:

 Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
 try booting from cd.

I wouldn't try that myself except as an absolutely last resort. Most flash 
utilities that come with any documentation warn that DOS needs to be loaded 
with empty CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Totally empty is probably overkill, 
but who knows what might be unsafe?
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