Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

Re: the Compaq, in the late 80's, with the bus expander and a multi-port serial 
card, we ran a 6-user Pick system application using wyse-60 terminals. Also ran 
a 10-user version on an AT. Tasks that could be completed in seconds now take 
minutes in Windows. This is a major cause of physician burn-out with electronic 
health records. 

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, at 5:47 AM, Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user wrote:
> Hey Dan:
>
>> That's great info! I glad to see so many getting use ouf of old 
>> hardware. I, myself, have a whole load of old hardware.
>
> If it still works, or can be made to work, there's no need to chuck it!
>
>> In particular I have 
>> a T40 and, perhaps more interesting, A Compaq Portable III.
>
> Get them going, then.
>
>> I even have, in a flip-top jewel case, a 5-1/4" floppy + manual for a 
>> strange little app called Microsoft Access.
>
> I used to design databases in that!
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Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

I have a box full of PCMCIA ethernet cards. If anyone could use one, I 
could search them out and post a list.


Dan

On 7/24/23 6:13 PM, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote:

On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote:

Hi folks,
Too many layers in the process for me to try the install.
That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition 
for the work it seems.
I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have 
functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? 


Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't 
and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and 
that's where the soft  brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance...




Ralf




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Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

That's great info! I glad to see so many getting use ouf of old 
hardware. I, myself, have a whole load of old hardware. You all have 
given me the stimulus to see what I can do with it. In particular I have 
a T40 and, perhaps more interesting, A Compaq Portable III.


I even have, in a flip-top jewel case, a 5-1/4" floppy + manual for a 
strange little app called Microsoft Access. It's not much use now 
because it was an app to use your 300 baud modem to make airline 
reservations. I guess MS (the evil empire) liked the name :)


Thank you all for satisfying my curiosity

Dan

On 7/24/23 7:37 PM, Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user wrote:

Hi Dan:

What are others using freedos for: business, curiosity, running retro 
games and apps for fun, to avoid total dependence on the evil empire, 
or something else?


I have an ancient heart rate monitor. Its computer interface uses DOS 
software via a serial port!



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[Freedos-user] My curiosity

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

Hello,

I'm following this list and find it very interesting. I found it when I 
was trying to prepare myself to help a friend whose business in built 
around a DOS app. It's clear that many/most/all? have access to other 
computers and OSes. This would be obvious if only because one needs 
access to the internet even if only to get this list. This has made me 
curious.


What are others using freedos for: business, curiosity, running retro 
games and apps for fun, to avoid total dependence on the evil empire, or 
something else?


Dan



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Re: [Freedos-user] Confusing details about SET and redirection inFreeCOM

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

Maybe put in quotes? 

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, at 10:07 AM, Bret Johnson wrote:
>> Hi fellow users :-)
>>
>> I have been wondering which chars are special in SET
>> in FreeCOM and whether they can be escaped or similar.
>
> I don't know specifically about FreeCOM, but I know in some versions of 
> DOS an environment variable can't contain an equals sign.  For example, 
> in some DOS versions you can't do this while in others you can:
>
>   SET ParameterList=Var1=1,Var2=2
>
> This has caused me some grief in the past when I try to allow the user 
> to enter option parameters either from the command-line or from an 
> environment variable.  For example, if the program I'm trying to run is 
> called PROGRAM I allow the user to set an environment variable named 
> PROGRAM that contains the "default" command-line parameters:
>
>   SET PROGRAM=Option1=Yes, Option2=No
>
> I want that to work the same way as if the user had done this:
>
>   PROGRAM Option1=Yes, Option2=No
>
> Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, depending on which version 
> of DOS I am using.  And I'm not even sure it is consistent across all 
> different DOS versions from the same manufacturer.  BTW, the way I get 
> around this problem is to allow the user to either enter an equals (=) 
> or a colon (:) as the separator character and explain the situation in 
> the documentation..
>
> The reason I bring this up is that in a recent post there was some 
> discussion over whether or not FreeDOS should fix all the bugs in 
> MS-DOS (essentially, improving MS-DOS) or duplicate the bugs, and the 
> consensus seemed to be to duplicate the bugs.  I don't know if allowing 
> an equals sign in an environment variable would be considered a bug or 
> a feature, but I would classify it as a bug, and I don't remember 
> specifically how MS-DOS handles it.
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Re: [Freedos-user] TASM under an emulator?

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

off topic but interesting?

https://yeokhengmeng.com/2023/03/building-a-dos-chatgpt-client-in-2023/

On 3/23/2023 12:44 PM, Rugxulo wrote:

Hi again,

On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 12:53 PM Alvah Whealton  wrote:

Thanks for providing me with better direction. I'm already pursuing some of 
your recommendations.

Just to reiterate, the official recommendation of FreeDOS is to use
OpenWatcom and NASM.

(OW's whelp.exe is their documentation reader. For something like
DJGPP it would be Texinfo, e.g. "info libc a printf" although other
Info readers exist.) But a lot of other assemblers are incompatible,
and old source code (e.g. 80xxx snippets) will mostly be in other
dialects. YMMV, caveat emptor, etc.

* 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/asm/nasm/0.98.39/8086host/

* https://pushbx.org/ecm/doc/insref.htm

* https://www.nasm.us/pub/nasm/releasebuilds/2.16.01/dos/ (latest
32-bit DJGPP build)
* https://www.nasm.us/pub/nasm/releasebuilds/2.16.01/doc/html/

* 
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/ambread.html
(see OSDN's samples, e.g. 8086 reference)

Just for completeness, although not directly DOS-related, I also want
to tell you about Ray Seyfarth's x64 .PDF book, it's very cheap ($5),
and I think it uses YASM. He has some helpful tools (e.g. his EBE
IDE).

* https://www.rayseyfarth.com/asm/


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Re: [Freedos-user] Can you recommend a good single-board-computer for legacy OSs?

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

There hasn't been much discussion of running dos in a virtual machine. I 
know it depends on why you want to run dos at all but a vm is an option 
that avoids the bios/uefi issues and the need for extra hardware.


FreeDOS on VMWare Player | Agnoiologist 



Installing DOS 6.22 in VMware Player 



Installing DOS 6.22 in a VM « Virtualised Reality 




On 3/2/2023 1:55 AM, Ivan Ivanov wrote:

Well, coreboot opensource x86 firmware will help you! The default
coreboot's payload is SeaBIOS - a modern legacy-style BIOS written on
C, without any UEFI crap. In addition, thanks to opensource - you can
finally trust that your BIOS doesn't have the backdoors / holes /
broken code hastily written for a bowl of rice by the lowest bidder.

Of course, not every hardware is suitable for coreboot, so you'll have
to buy anyways. Personally, I can recommend the AMD boards without a
PSP hardware backdoor: Lenovo G505S laptop with A10-5750M, ASUS
A88XM-E desktop with A10-6700 / A10-6800K, and ASUS AM1I-A mini-ITX
micro-desktop with Athlon 5370 - which may be a close match for your
single-board-computer requirement (it has LPT, COM, etc.)

More information can be found on the Internet (i.e. the manuals on
DangerousPrototypes website), or you can just ask me.


чт, 2 мар. 2023 г. в 00:47, Ben Hutchinson:

What legacy OS Either DOS or directly on bare metal. It needs to start in 16bit 
real mode though for either of these to work. UEFI I think starts in 32bit 
protected mode (likely in ring3, so you never really can get hardware level 
access to the computer). This is why it needs legacy BIOS support, so it starts 
in 16bit real mode.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 12:11 PM John Vella  wrote:

I don't know if this is any help but I am currently installing FreeDOS using 
PCem, on an Atom based Stick PC.

What are you planning on using the legacy os for?

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, 19:20 Ben Hutchinson,  wrote:

I found what seemed to be a good Intel x86 based SBC over 
athttps://up-shop.org/up-squared-series.html  but there was one problem. It 
mentioned only a UEFI firmware. Nothing about supporting legacy BIOS. I know my 
laptop can switch between UEFI and BIOS by changing the firmware settings (go 
into the firmware menu by pressing F2 at bootup). But the lack of mention of 
legacy BIOS support worried me. So I emailed them and asked. And unfortunately, 
as I was worried, this was their answer:
"For the product now it’s all supported with UEFI BIOS. No legacy BIOS 
supported."

So, I would like to run DOS on an SBC, but with a UEFI only system, that's not 
possible.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Greetings

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

https://archive.org/details/msdos_manual_622
https://archive.org/details/microsoft-programmers-reference-manual-msdos-2.0
https://archive.org/details/msdos_5_User_Guide_completehttps://archive.org/details/msdos_5_User_Guide_complete
 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023, at 2:22 PM, usul wrote:
> This is awesome, thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 3:18 PM Rugxulo  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 11:57 AM usul  wrote:
>> >
>> > So I was digging through my old "stuff" and found some of my old cds and 
>> > my Dell Latitude D520 laptop. And I got all nostalgic . I got my start 
>> > with a 486 DX 8 mgs of Ram.
>> > I mostly did Visual Basic 3.0 programming to start after I finished 
>> > college. VBA/ MS Access then to Dot Net.  I can read C / C++ but never 
>> > really did anything with it.
>> 
>> FreeBASIC might be for you, then. It does have a DJGPP build.
>> 
>> * https://freebasic.net/
>> * https://www.freebasic.net/wiki/DocToc
>> 
>> > So I thought it would be cool to mess around with it again
>> >
>> > So I plan to multiboot on the laptop
>> > Linux
>> > Dos 6.22 / Windows 3.11
>> > and FreeDos
>> > Is there an 'Order that this would need to be done in? Any Recommendations?
>> 
>> You already mentioned ZipSlack (Slackware 11.0), and that was 2006-ish
>> using UMSDOS running atop FAT.
>> 
>> * https://mirrors.slackware.com/mirrorlist/
>> * https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware-11.0/zipslack/
>> 
>> > I found on those old cds copies of
>> > desQview/X 2.1 and XAppeal (and if they could port it I might be able to)
>> > and DragonLinux which runs on UMSDOS so install on the same partition.
>> > Borland C++ 3.0, so much other fun stuff.
>> 
>> The Desqview/X SDK was DJGPP v1 (though I never used it), it's still on 
>> mirrors.
>> 
>> * https://www.delorie.com/djgpp/getting.html
>> * http://www.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/deleted/v1tk/00_index.txt
>> 
>> > Anyway I am having some problems, and I really don't remember my 
>> > autoexec.bat/config.sys stuff anymore but I remember getting all the dos 
>> > and stuff loaded to high memory or something like that.
>> 
>> I personally wouldn't bother with EMM386 (JEMM) just yet. Try sticking
>> to XMS only (HIMEMX), for now.
>> 
>> > The only options that seem to work are 4 & 5. .  Where can I get all the 
>> > info to relearn all of that?  Is there a website / documentation or an old 
>> > dos book I can buy that would still be relevant to FreeDos.  It sees all 
>> > of the memory on the laptop 4gigs just
>> 
>> * https://help.fdos.org/en/index.htm
>> 
>> > I have not tried anything that needs 32 bit protected mode. but  
>> > eventually once I get it figured out I will need it to do stuff in djgpp.
>> 
>> * https://delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2/readme.1st
>> * https://delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2misc/csdpmi7b.zip
>> 
>> There's also OpenWatcom:
>> 
>> * 
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/openwatcom/1.9/
>> 
>> A lot of us also like HX / HDPMI32:
>> 
>> * https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/HX/releases/tag/v2.20
>> 
>> > I'm not really good with mailing lists, too  much overload. LOL Do we have 
>> > a Discord server or something along those lines? Web based forum etc.  If 
>> > not, I'll re-adapt.
>> 
>> * http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board.php
>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?

[Daniel Essin via Freedos-user]

I think we're all here out of interest. i have a neighbor who "needs" yo run a 
dos app for his nusiness. He's the only one I know who "needs" to run dos. 
Everyone else does it out of interest who still has an ibm-pc or xt as their 
only computer?

That said, if someone "wants" to write dos programs, why not? And if you're 
looking for a retro experience, why a 20meg hard drive (I have one in my compaq 
portable III), why not dual floppies?

And, does anyone remember when Microsoft Access was a program to go online with 
your 300 baud modem to make airline reservations? I have that too, on 5.25 
flop;y. Works great in the compaq except there is no one to call with it 
anymore.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023, at 10:25 AM, tom ehlert wrote:
>>> programming *on* DOS in the year 2023 is like self flagellation. you
>>> are absolutely allowed to do it; it's just not recommended.
>> Why not? It worked just fine for all intends and purposes for two 
>> decades, so why would that not be "recommended" to do so in 2023?
>
> because programming can be MUCH more productive when you have multiple
> windows open, each much better then 25*80, can google stuff while editing,
> look at your source while debugging and much more.
>
> it worked - yes. like a hand drill, and hand saw, or other late 1800 stuff.
> whatever you do - you are probably using electric stuff these days.
> unless you are an archeologist, trying to rebuild a medivial castel
> with medivial tools only.
>
>
>> That is the part that I think is the true fallacy that too many people
>> perpetrate these days, when claiming to be interested in (Free)DOS.
>
> when 'interested' in DOS, you should use edlin and a XT machine with a
> big 20 MB disk for the real experience.
>
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] DosBox-x Windows XP

[Daniel]

DosBox-x is compatible in XP and I use it quite a bit to test stuff and
work on projects along with FreeDOS.  I haven’t yet found any issues runnin
it.  Even installed and ran Windows 98 as well.
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[Freedos-user] Assembly Language and BASIC

[Daniel]

A little info for those who uses FreeBasic (or even Power Basic 3.5) in
FreeDOS.  In case noone knows this, it is possible to mix both Basic and
Assembly language in the same source code using both PB and FB using the
‘ASM’ command.  This is something I have been doing in PowerBasic for some
time.  Not sure if anyone else has done this, but it is quite a nice
feature to have.

I am unfamiliar woththe C languages,  but does it also allow one to mix
both assembly in with the C source code?  Are there any other languages
that allows mixing of assembly in with the language code?

Just thought I would share this because I find it useful to be able to
program in Basic and Assembly together.  Basic since some things are
easier, and Assembly for speed and more control.
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[Freedos-user] DOS ASM Resources

[Daniel]

If ya have a library, ya can try lookin there.  Usin our library here I
found some good books to go through.  Advanced MSDOS Programming, From
BASIC to 8086/8088 Assembly Language.  There are other books I am waitin
on.  I also have other books I collected over the years.  I hope this is a
good suggestion.

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> Interestingly enough, I also bought a86/D86, and have found it to be the
> best assembler/disassembler I've ever found for dos.? I ran across it
> after (mostly) trying to use debug for things, so it was a welcome
> relief.? I still use it when working on dos things, which admittedly
> isn't very often these days, but at least it still works, and still does
> what's needed.
>
> Of course, take this with a grain of salt, since I'm an intermediate asm
> programmer (at best), and it takes me many hours to get anything
> complicated untangled when looking at asm code, which is why I don't use
> it much, but there's sometimes when nothing else can do the job as well,
> so 
>
> Masm, Tasm, and others all have their own syntax which confuses me more
> than helping.? I find debug and A86 fairly straightforward, which is why
> I still like those methods when working with asm code.
>
>
> On 7/1/2022 11:58 AM, Bret Johnson wrote:
> > Santiago:
> >
> > I agree pretty much with ECM.  The best way to learn is to look at the
> code someone else has written and try to understand it.  Unfortunately,
> most ASM coders aren't very good at comments/documentation, and you really
> need the comments to help you figure things out.  Looking at uncommented
> code doesn't seem to help me very much -- I need to try and figure out how
> the coder was thinking, not just the result of the thinking.
> >
> > I put LOTS of comments in my code -- I'm sure at least some people think
> too many.  Almost every line of the source has a comment, and each
> "subroutine" has a comment header similar to what ECM has (but my "style"
> is different than ECM's).  The comment header includes details about what
> the subroutine does, its inputs and outputs, and what it may change.  The
> header MAY also include the "context" of when and where the subroutine
> should get used, and why the subroutine even exists at all (especially if
> it is there to address some "special" situation).  For example, most of my
> programs are TSR's and in the most recent versions I'm working on the
> programs can use different kinds of memory: conventional, upper, Expanded
> (EMS), and/or Extended (XMS, which I access through a DOS Protected Mode
> Services or DPMS server).  I have comments to try and explain why I do
> something that requires a special consideration for one of the different
> types of memory.  An example of this would be that you NEVER want a stack
> to use Expanded memory, so sections of the code related to the stack need
> to take that into account and should make some comment about it.
> >
> > When I first started (a LONG time ago), modern assemblers like NASM &
> FASM didn't exist, and I didn't like MASM (though it was and still is kind
> of "the standard" I find it confusing), so I ended up buying A86/A386 from
> Eric Isaacson.  Unfortunately, Eric hasn't updated those in a long time and
> it's not possible to do large projects with them because they don't take
> advantage of extended or 

[Freedos-user] Tomorrow Get Together

[Daniel]

How does BlueJeans work?  Type in event ID when available and join in?  I
would like to be there if possible.  Thank you very much for the reminder.
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[Freedos-user] DOS Fonts

[Daniel]

Is anyone familiar with how DOS fonts work?

There are some .com files that will change the original font with another
and ya can create your own.  I created a TI-99/4aA font to use.

So how does it work?  Is the hardware font cached and the cache is
changed?  Some programs will revert back to the original font when exiting
back to DOS.

Is there a location where one can read/write the font information?
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[Freedos-user] Reply to keyboard issue and debug

[Daniel]

I tried the Debug Eric and it works gret for the keyboards except that one
wired keyboard.  Quite odd one wired keyboard doesn’t allow repeats but
others do.

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>1. Re: Keyboard issue - wondering about typematic rate for
>   keyboard repeats in different VMs and emulators (Eric Auer)
>2. Keyboard issue (Fixed) (Daniel)
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> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 20:48:48 +0200
> From: Eric Auer 
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue - wondering about typematic
> rate for keyboard repeats in different VMs and emulators
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> Tom,
>
> >> In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat.
> >> Great for arrow and page keys.? For some reason this stopped workin
> >
> > wow. one of these Asshole from Hell questions:
> >
> > no information what DOS we are talkink about.
> >
> > no information whatsoever about CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT.
>
> I somehow liked Dennis' way of asking for more context and details
> better :-p However, I also have a technical question about Daniel's
> technical question :-)
>
> Daniel, you could do the following to test whether explicitly setting
> keyboard repeat (typematic rate, see RBIL = Ralf Browns Interrupt List)
> to maximum speed and the delay to minimum has any effect on your real or
> virtual hardware. For this, you start DEBUG, then type:
>
> acs:100
> mov ax,0305
> mov bx,
> int 16
> int 20
>
> g
> q
>
> Note that you have to press return twice between "int 20" and "g".
>
> For the lowest possible speed and the longest delay before repeating
> starts, you write "031f" instead of "" in the "mov bx,..." line.
>
> Interestingly, it seems to make no difference in DOSEMU2 which of the
> two values I use for BX. It probably just uses the keyboard repeat
> settings from Linux, without letting me a custom different rate just for
> the DOSEMU2 window.
>
> So I would be keen to know which of the other DOS systems people here
> are using do or do not support changing the typematic rate aka keyboard
> repeat rate. In particular, I guess that real hardware often supports
> this, while running DOS on a virtual computer in a window could be less
> likely to offer support for this setting?
>
> Thanks for testing! Regards, Eric
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:52:47 -0400
> From: Daniel 
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue (Fixed)
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> Nice response Tom.  Next time don?t be so shy and really let the language
> fly, but ya did have a good point if not good language.
>
> 1) Real DOS on bare metal runnin msdos 7.1.  I have had this happen on
> FreeDOS as well.
>
> 2) Config.sys and autoexec bat are the same and nothin there has changed.
>
> Fix:  The fix was a simple one yet quite odd, in my opinion.  Apparently
> while one keyboard will allow me to hold down a key and it repeats, another
> keyboard wasn?t allowing me to do it.  Not sure why that is.  I found out
> this was the issue when it was suggested I try another keyboard.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 14:37 
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[Freedos-user] Keyboard issue (Fixed)

[Daniel]

Nice response Tom.  Next time don’t be so shy and really let the language
fly, but ya did have a good point if not good language.

1) Real DOS on bare metal runnin msdos 7.1.  I have had this happen on
FreeDOS as well.

2) Config.sys and autoexec bat are the same and nothin there has changed.

Fix:  The fix was a simple one yet quite odd, in my opinion.  Apparently
while one keyboard will allow me to hold down a key and it repeats, another
keyboard wasn’t allowing me to do it.  Not sure why that is.  I found out
this was the issue when it was suggested I try another keyboard.

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> In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat.  Great
> for arrow and page keys.  For some reason this stopped workin and I can
> only press a key once and holdin a key would do nothin.
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 08:27 
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:30:22 +1000
> > From: "Andrew Robins" 
> > To: "Chai Chang Kai via Freedos-user"
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> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Super Charging Windows 3.1 ?
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> > Hi Martin,
> > I don't have the expertise as others already voicing their tips, but I
> > would like to give a big shout-out to *Plug-In for Windows* 2.60,
> produced
> > by the brave fellows at Plannet Crafters, Inc, back in the 90's. I loved
> > that software and was a happy supporter despite knowing they were soon to
> > be overwhelmed by the Windows98 juggernaut. Brilliant set of bling tools
> > (e.g., loads of right-click options on the empty desktop), I was able to
> > skip Win95 entirely with this little beauty.
> > Still have my 486 DX in storage, awaiting resurrection - such was the joy
> > that "Plug-In" brought me.
> >
> > Available on vetusware I understand - but I have kept my original copies
> > and registration codes etc... how sad is that?
> > :)
> >
> > Andrew Robins
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Martin Iturbide wrote:
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the
> > software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone
> > did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today.
> > >
> > > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check
> > what that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that
> > recommends what patches and software to install today on it, or what was
> > the awesome software f

[Freedos-user] Keyboard issue

[Daniel]

In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat.  Great
for arrow and page keys.  For some reason this stopped workin and I can
only press a key once and holdin a key would do nothin.

Does anyone know how to fix this?

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> Hi Martin,
> I don't have the expertise as others already voicing their tips, but I
> would like to give a big shout-out to *Plug-In for Windows* 2.60, produced
> by the brave fellows at Plannet Crafters, Inc, back in the 90's. I loved
> that software and was a happy supporter despite knowing they were soon to
> be overwhelmed by the Windows98 juggernaut. Brilliant set of bling tools
> (e.g., loads of right-click options on the empty desktop), I was able to
> skip Win95 entirely with this little beauty.
> Still have my 486 DX in storage, awaiting resurrection - such was the joy
> that "Plug-In" brought me.
>
> Available on vetusware I understand - but I have kept my original copies
> and registration codes etc... how sad is that?
> :)
>
> Andrew Robins
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Martin Iturbide wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the
> software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone
> did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today.
> >
> > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check
> what that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that
> recommends what patches and software to install today on it, or what was
> the awesome software for Windows 3.1 that we used to have in the past. Like
> if someone will try to bring the 16bit Windows to the max.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --
> > Mart?n It?rbide
> >
> > http://www.os2world.com
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> > martiniturb...@gmail.com
> > Quito - Ecuador
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> My small contribution here: I've always found cool (but not tried myself)
> the Calmira project: make your Windows 3.X look like Windows 9X, or even
> WinXP:
>
> http://www.calmira.de/
>
> Have fun,
> Aitor
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 16:04, Martin Iturbide 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the
> > software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone
> > did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today.
> >
> > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check
> what
> > that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that recommends
> > what patches and software to install today on it, or what was the awesome
> > software for Windows 3.1 that we used to have in the past. Like if
> someone
> > will try to bring the 16bit Windows to the max.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --
> > Mart?n It?rbide
> > http://www.os2world.com
> > mar...@os2world.com
> > martiniturb...@gmail.com
> > Quito - Ecuador
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2243, Issue 2

[Daniel]

Well, I have been foolin around with the files.  Here is what I have done
so far and what I haven’t done, but would like to:

I copied FDAUTO.BAT and FDCONFIG.SYS to NDAUTO.BAT and NDCONFIG.SYS

Done:
I edited ndauto.bat how I liked it leavin fdauto.bat alone in case of a
problem.  As mentioned I edited the link for fdauto.bat to the new filename
in both the new ndauto.bat and fdconfig.sys files at the bottom.

Sillyness:
I was wonderin bout renamin FDCONFIG.SYS to NDCONFIG.SYS.

Just cause I like to fiddle around I have it startin up sayin (in the
Welcome.bat under fdos\bin) welcome to NorbyDOS then later Based on *:
(Website link).*

*I know this is all just silly and unecessary, but I like to do stuff like
that bein unique.*

*Thanks.*

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> This may be a crazy or even insane thing to ask, nevermind do, but is it
> possible to create a new config file and use that.  For instance rename
> fdconfig.sys to the MSDOS config.sys?
>
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> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:07:48 -0500
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> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:09 AM Liam Proven  wrote:
> > >
> > > I thought that this blog post might interest folks here.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.tmm.cx/2022/05/15/the-very-weird-hewlett-packard-freedos-option/
> > >
> > > Various models of HP computer can be bought with FreeDOS as their
> > > operating system, and it is the cheapest option -- or Ubuntu Linux for
> > > some models.
> > >
> > > But it's not just a computer with a formatted hard disk and FreeDOS on
> > > it. It's considerably more complicated than that...
> > >
> >
> >
> > Summary for those who don't want to click on the article:
> >
> > HP is selling new laptops, like the HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8, with
> > FreeDOS pre-installed. But it's UEFI only (no BIOS) and any DOS
> > requires a BIOS. Here's how HP pre-installed FreeDOS on this system:
> > (quoted from article)
> >
> > >  1 The laptops is set to UEFI boot, which boots a pretty standard GRUB
> > >  2 Debian gets booted with KMS disabled, as well as all DRM drivers.
> > >  3 Once the system is booted Gno

[Freedos-user] FDCONFIG.SYS

[Daniel]

This may be a crazy or even insane thing to ask, nevermind do, but is it
possible to create a new config file and use that.  For instance rename
fdconfig.sys to the MSDOS config.sys?

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> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:09 AM Liam Proven  wrote:
> >
> > I thought that this blog post might interest folks here.
> >
> >
> https://blog.tmm.cx/2022/05/15/the-very-weird-hewlett-packard-freedos-option/
> >
> > Various models of HP computer can be bought with FreeDOS as their
> > operating system, and it is the cheapest option -- or Ubuntu Linux for
> > some models.
> >
> > But it's not just a computer with a formatted hard disk and FreeDOS on
> > it. It's considerably more complicated than that...
> >
>
>
> Summary for those who don't want to click on the article:
>
> HP is selling new laptops, like the HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8, with
> FreeDOS pre-installed. But it's UEFI only (no BIOS) and any DOS
> requires a BIOS. Here's how HP pre-installed FreeDOS on this system:
> (quoted from article)
>
> >  1 The laptops is set to UEFI boot, which boots a pretty standard GRUB
> >  2 Debian gets booted with KMS disabled, as well as all DRM drivers.
> >  3 Once the system is booted Gnome Display Manager starts
> >  4 GDM will automatically login the root user and start the
> /root/.xsession
> >  5 The XSession will start an XFCE terminal and executes Qemu on an
> image file in /home/aos/qemu
>
>
> So basically, HP has installed Linux, which starts QEMU, and they boot
> FreeDOS inside QEMU. When you shut down FreeDOS (exit QEMU) the system
> shuts down too.
>
>
> *I'll note that I don't see the same pre-installed OS options when I
> click on the "HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8" in the article. I only see
> "Windows 11 Pro," "Windows 10 Pro," "Windows 11 Home," and "Ubuntu
> Linux 20.04." So either HP has changed it, or the "FreeDOS" option is
> not available in the US (the article's screenshots show purchase
> prices in Euro).
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 01:20:30 +
> From: "richardkolacz...@hotmail.com" 
> To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] "The very weird Hewlett Packard FreeDOS
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Jim Hall wrote
>
>
>
> *I'll note that I don't see the same pre-installed OS options when I
> click on the "HP Zbook Fury 17.8 G8" in the article. I only see
> "Windows 11 Pro," "Windows 10 Pro," "Windows 11 Home," and "Ubuntu
> Linux 20.04." So either HP has changed it, or the "FreeDOS" option is
> not available in the US (the article's screenshots show purchase
> prices in Euro).
>
>
> NO NEW INFORMATION here (below) from me, but ...
>
> IF I am allowed to quote myself (from a now "dead" topic)
>
> [Freedos-user] Question about FreeDOS 3.0
>
>
> For anyone curious, the following link is how to custom configure (at
> purchase time) the HP laptop
>
>
> https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/ConfigureView?urlLangId==10051=-1=10151=3074457345620032820=1
>
> >From the options at start of page, using Ubuntu (which is free) as a
> guide - one can determine the "cost" of Windows (Pro) to being about
>  US$215. Depending which (of many) links to configure HP zBook G8 you go
> to, the option of FreeDOS 3.0 is not always available - however with the
> previous model (about 1-2 years ago), the G7 version always had FreeDOS 2.0
> or Ubuntu at no charge (and roughly Windows Pro being at the same price).
>
>
>
> NOTE - HP has just announced the next model - HP zBOOK Fury G9
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> 
> From: Jim Hall 
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2022 

[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Partitioning reply

[Daniel]

Here is my exact steps:
Start fdisk and make sure to delete all partitions so I am starting fresh.

1) Create a Primarry partition of size 20480
2) Create an extended partition of max size
3) Fill up the rest of the drive with 20480, 20480, and the remaining space
left.

Once done I reboot the computer and restart freedos install.

Install seems to go properly, but once it reboots and starts to load I get
alot of size errors partition is this but should be that.  It then asks for
the date and time and puts ky at the command prompt.

I will be testing this in a vm with a large drive to see if I get the same
results so I can record it and have snapshots to show.

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> From: Eric Auer 
> To: Discussions and general questions about FreeDOS
> 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Partitioning
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> Hi Daniel!
>
> > I am tryin to install FD on a Dell PC with an 80 gb partition.  I tried
> as
> > I prefered it spliting into 4 partitions, and as one large partition.
> When
> > I boot into the live CD all seems fine, but after it does the formating
> and
> > installing, I get a bunch of errors about the partitins.  Looking at the
> > fdisk informations they seem to get changed from 20481 to 20489.  Not
> sure
> > why.  Can anyone check to see if this happens to them?  Is there a size
> > limit currently for partitions?
>
> Please share more details about the issue. If you want to have
> 4 partitions of 20 GB each, you will have to use FAT32, but it
> is possible to have much larger FAT32 partitions. The limit in
> your case will be the 2 TB limit for MBR partitioned disks and
> sometimes a limit of how large disks are supported by the BIOS,
> which could be 128 GB for old LBA BIOS versions. FAT32 itself
> is limited to 2^28 clusters, which means that even for common
> cluster size 4 kB you already reach 1 TB in a single partition.
> And clusters can be much larger than that, so your effective
> limit is the 2 TB disk size limit of 512 byte per sector MBR.
>
> That said, I recommend that you use LBA mode for partitioning,
> so the partition type should be 0c FAT32 LBA, not 0b FAT32 CHS.
>
> If you use extended partitions, you would use 0f with LBA instead
> of 05 with CHS, but as you mention that you planned to use exactly
> four partitions, you probably do not use extended partitions here.
> Likewise, if you would use FAT16, type 06 is CHS, type 0e is LBA,
> but FAT16 partitions can be at most 2 GB (in some cases 4 GB).
>
> If you are using an older version of FDISK, it may have some type
> of rounding error which could explain what you are seeing, but if
> it just rounds the size to the next whole cylinder in CHS mode,
> that would just be something common to do and not a real error.
>
> However, if you get inconsistencies and the partitions do not  boot
> or otherwise do not work properly, then that could be a real bug.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Partitioning

[Daniel]

I am having a problem with FreeDOS and partitions.

Here is the issue:
I am tryin to install FD on a Dell PC with an 80 gb partition.  I tried as
I prefered it spliting into 4 partitions, and as one large partition.  When
I boot into the live CD all seems fine, but after it does the formating and
installing, I get a bunch of errors about the partitins.  Looking at the
fdisk informations they seem to get changed from 20481 to 20489.  Not sure
why.  Can anyone check to see if this happens to them?  Is there a size
limit currently for partitions?

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> Some folks asked that I post regular updates about the videos on the
> FreeDOS YouTube channel, so they can follow them without subscribing
> to the channel. I don't want to "spam" the list every time a new video
> comes out, so I'm sharing these email updates with you about every
> month or so:
>
>
> * The FreeDOS YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/freedosproject
>
>
> When we released FreeDOS 1.3, I posted a short video where I talked
> about FreeDOS while I installed FreeDOS in the background. It's not
> really a "how to install" video, but more of a "welcome to FreeDOS
> 1.3" video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dypXc4B4wI
>
> Also check out this video about the "thank you" Easter egg that Jerome
> included in the installer:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBgdVs00tY
>
>
> I also have been showing off some DOS games running on FreeDOS. I
> recently covered these four games:
>
> "Tomb Raider" (DOS demo)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTKvYuaQOBs
>
> "Block Drop" (from FreeDOS 1.3)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gTgaFrDeM
>
> "RCross" (tiny RC car racing game)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZNvZgEnbk
>
> "Says Who" (from FreeDOS 1.3)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbLFHQmv7g
>
>
> And by request, I've returned to programming videos. The programming
> videos were popular for a time, and some folks still ask for them,
> even though they don't get a ton of views. These are meant to be
> "introduction to programming" topics, and aren't very complex. (It's
> hard to write a very complicated program in under an hour, especially
> when you need to keep talking about what you're doing.)
>
> "Video end screens as a DOS program"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE3ctKLyiTg
>
> "Writing a Wordle game for DOS"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=719NGiNz3Is
>
>
> Jim
>
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> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:13:03 -0500
> From: Jim Hall 
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> Hi everyone
>
> I sometimes write for Opensource.com, and some of my articles are
> about FreeDOS. It's great that the FreeDOS articles still get a ton of
> views, even in 2022. (Yes, really. FreeDOS articles regularly rank in
> the top 10 articles for each month.)
>
> If you're interested in writing about FreeDOS, you might like to know
> the editors at Opensource.com are collecting FreeDOS articles into an
> ebook, and plan to publish it on (or around) June 29. Our FreeDOS
> anniversary is June 29, 1994.
>
> I don't know when they plan to stop considering new articles for the
> ebook - but if you've been thinking about writing an article, now is
> the time.
>
> You can find them at https://opensource.com/
>
> You can learn about writing for them at https://opensource.com/writers
>
> (The quick summary is "Drafts should be submitted via email to
> o...@opensource.com.")
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2235, Issue 2

[Daniel]

Has anyone looked into using x86Box as an alternative to vmware and
virtualbox to run FreeDOS and other old operating systems?


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> El lun, 25-04-2022 a las 17:32 -0700, jkendzi escribi?:
> > I am trying to setup a shared folder between my VirtualBox/FreeDOS
> > and my /home/documents folder.
> >
> > I am having difficulty with this setup, is there another way to
> > access a folder on the host or another attached drive to the host?
>
> Hello,
>
> I have recently been working on making a VirtualBox shared folders
> client/redirector. I tested it on FreeDOS 1.2 and it seems to work.
>
> See https://git.javispedro.com/cgit/vbados.git/about/
> Or https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4=105823
>
> It also includes a int33 mouse driver with VBox integration.
> (Note however that attempting to use it with FreeDOS' EDIT
> results in freezing the VirtualBox UI, since EDIT seems to be spamming
> the int33 hide/show cursor calls at very high frequency and the driver
> just forwards them directly to the VirtualBox UI. May need some rate
> limiting there. However it works with most other programs including
> MS's EDIT).
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2173, Issue 1

[Daniel]

I have a old Dell laptop that was originally XP that now is tri-boot.  I
have FreeDos 1.3 RC5, XP, and even Linux.

In order to do this you cannot simply install everything normally, at least
as far as I know.  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

Here is the steps that I found that works:
First wipe the drive that you want to use, then using fdisk setup a
partition for FreeDOS and another for the other operating system as an
extended partition.  Format and install FreeDOS on the first partition.  Do
nothing for the second partition.  Leave it alone until you have installed
FreeDOS installed andworking.

Once it is installed and working, install the Linux distro you want and
tell it to setup and use the second partition you had set up in fdisk.

This should allow you to use both Linux and FreeDOS together.

Notice: Order of install matters!  If you installed Linux, then installed
freeDOS you will need to update your grub to see and use the new FreeDOS
system which can be a pest.

I hope this was helpful.

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> Il 26.01.2022 00:39 Jerome Shidel ha scritto:
>
> >> On Jan 25, 2022,
> at 4:16 PM, andrea...@tiscali.it [1] wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, it's an old
> annoing question:I have a laptop with linux installed and I created
> another dos / fat 32 partition where I installed freedos 1.3. (before
> installing freedos I activated C:ms-dos with part.exe).
> >> OK Freedos,
> but disappears Linux MBR, and I can't anymore access linux although I
> have grub installed.
> >> With GAG cd live you see linux but it is not
> loaded due to problems in the MBR.
> >> The only way to repair the MBR and
> log in again in linux was to use the BOOT REPAIR live cd.
> >> Or another
> way to solve the problem?
> >> Thanks,
> >> andrea
> > During installation,
> the installer creates two backups and stores them in C:FreeDOS as
> BOOT.MBR and BOOT.BSS. The MBR is created by FDISK when it is told to
> update the boot code. The second is created by the SYS command. You
> should be able to use FDISK to restore the MBR.
> > There is an excellent
> free DOS utility called MBRTOOL. It is not open source and has some
> other distribution restrictions. But, it is free and can be legally
> distributed as-is. Do to those restrictions it cannot be included with
> the FreeDOS release. But, you can grab a mirrored copy from my website
> at https://fd.lod.bz/redist/disk/MBRtool/ [4] v1.x is much smaller than
> v2.x. But, both work really well. It is a great tool to have laying
> around for emergencies.
> > :-)
> > Jerome
> > Thank you for your interest,
> I will try to be more careful when I install freedos next time
> >
> >>
> andrea
> >>
> >> Con Tiscali Mobile Smart 70 hai 70 GB in 4G, minuti
> illimitati e 100 SMS a soli 7,99EUR al mese http://tisca.li/Smart70
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> Hello Fabian,
>
> I just did several tests and am unable to replicate the issue you are
> having. More information is needed.
>
> > On Jan 26, 2022, at 3:32 AM, Fabian Boucsein 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Freedos users,
> >
> > i recently installed a base installation of FreeDOS 1.3 RC5 using the
> > FullUSB edition. After that i tried to install the Watcom compiler
> > with fdimples.
>
> How did you 

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 2142, Issue 5

[Daniel]

I have a Wyse VX0 V10LE and I admit I haven’t tested FreeDOS on it.  If I
am able to get anothe DOM (Disk On Module), I would love to see if it works
on the system.

The cpu is 1.2ghz, RAM is 1gb, and the DOM is 16gb.

Originally came with a Windows 98/XP dual boot.  Currently running Windows
98 (mainly in DOS), and a vm running OS/2.

Although I am unable to natively install OS/2, Windows 98 and DOS runs
perfectly and putting a usb stick is available to DOS without needing any
drivers in DOS which is a plus.  One downside is CD off USB is a big issue
when trying to install an OS.

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> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be
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>  I certainly hope to see more people using DOS/FreeDOS as the only (or
> primary) operating system. However, without things like full support for
> Internet and modern hardware (modern sound card, USB devices, etc) this
> cannot occur, unfortunately. IMO, DOS/FreeDOS need to support things just
> like a typical "modern" OS (e.g. Linux) does, so that the general public
> won't consider DOS a "legacy" OS, or a system that is limited to very
> specific uses.
> Wengier
> On Friday, December 24, 2021, 05:35:06 p.m. EST, John Vella <
> john.ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I'm going to make it my new year project to finish getting the 80486 pc
> working, and once I've upgraded the memory, (4 Meg isn't going to be
> enough, is it?) I'll be using freedos as the only operating system for my
> distraction free writing pc.?
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, 22:00 Jim Hall,  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:11 PM Jon Brase  wrote:
> > They're not talking about it in the context of log4j itself, they're
> > talking about it in the context of other open source projects, that
> > don't have something like the Apache foundation behind them, that
> > are critical infrastructure, but have one or two maintainers working
> > on them as a labor of love alongside a day job, and the potential,
> > as such projects become legacy software, for them to still be
> > half-maintained (and maybe maintain a significant user base) long
> > after an institutionally maintained project would have officially
> > been EOLed.
> >
> > And there is something of that kind of risk with any DOS variety
> > still in use. Any remote execution vulnerability, through any
> > network-aware DOS software, is basically automatically a remote root
> > vulnerability by the nature of the system. Now, most FreeDOS users
> > are probably using it for retrogaming and such and not for anything
> > business-critical, but anybody using it in an embedded setting needs
> > to be really careful about exposing it to the network.
> >
> > I really wonder how that would effect DOS, after all there is no
> > web interface, nor any Java in (Free)DOS. So (without having watched
> > this rather long video yet), any such conclusion seems to be a bit
> > far fetch IMHO...
>
>
> The statement in the video (starts at about 24:00, for others who want
> to watch it) was awkwardly made. This person makes the statement that
> some open source projects should just shut down rather than keep going
> (I'm paraphrasing broadly here). And gives the example of "If MS-DOS
> were open source" he opines that it shouldn't go on.
>
> Putting aside the fact that Microsoft did eventually release (early
> versions of) MS-DOS under an open source license, this guy is just
> wrong. Lots of people use DOS and FreeDOS to do useful things, like
> running classic DOS games or applications, and supporting some
> embedded systems or control systems.
>
> I usually try to see the other person's point of view - but in this
> case, he's off base. Whatever.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FAT12

[Daniel Sears]

In the end I created a second partition and put my payload file there. That
worked, but before that I tried to extend the FAT12 partition with gparted
but my copy (from Ubuntu 21.04) objected and said that FAT12 is no longer
supported. The Wikipedia page says that FAT12 goes back to the early 80's,
along with Huey Lewis and the News.
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[Freedos-user] FAT12

[Daniel Sears]

I've installed FreeDOS 1.3-RC4 with FD13LITE.img on a 4GB USB drive. This
works and I can boot it just fine, but the primary partition uses FAT12 and
is 97% full. I would like to expand this partition with gparted, but that
no longer supports FAT12. Can I ask what the rationale is for using FAT12?

Thanks,

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[Daniel]

Package discussion idea.

This is just a rough idea that is one possible way to go.

Have a base cd that has just the items needed to get FreeDos running and
maybe a few extras.  Then a script for creating a cd/dvd/usb image.

Here is the general plan for the script:
You have a list of categories the user selects.  Clicking on catagory would
select all sub items or remove them.  Opening eac category gives a list of
items available to add to the image.

Once the user is done adding/removing items, an appropriate image is
created, and a download link is provided.

Each image could have a size limit set so the user doesn’t create one too
large.

Just my two copper pennies tossed into the pot.


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> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 09:14:44AM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
>
> > On 14/12/2020 01:22, ZB wrote:
> > > I think before taking such decision it would be worthy to browse the
> list
> > > again, but after doing "sort by size desc" first. Because the bigger
> the
> > > file the more closely it's worthy to look at it
> >
> > This leads to a situations where software is becoming less likely to be
> > included when its sources are big -- even though the software itself
> (once
> > compiled) might be tiny.
>
> I dare to estimate that more than 90% of DOS - or any other OS - users
> don't
> need any sources. Maybe even I should say: "more than 99%".
>
> Sources should be available separately - they are nothing but "placeholder"
> otherwise.
>
> What I meant was binary's size
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> Cc: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS."
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> Hello,?Mateusz!
>
>
> I am wrote to you email with a few fords about AMB.
> I don't read this mail-list, so don't see your announces.
> I have few offers for AMB extension.
> I am software developer, author of text editor for DOS, which can work as
> lightweight IDE. (https://github.com/DosWorld/dwed)
>
>
>
>
> For my project, i am use CP/M help format, but have no hyperlinks and that
> is a small problem. Also, i am need a opensource format for user's help
> files (i want implement feature - "user can use own help-files" into my
> text editor, for example it could be help about C or Pascal language). So,
> AMB looks very good alternatives for me.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have few points to AMB format extension:
>
>
>
>
>
> 1. Text line width. I think, 78 chars limit is not so good. I am offer
> make limit to 255 chars - including markup. 255 chars limit very often meet
> in programming languages like Pascal and Basic.
>
> Yes, many old hardware have standard 80 chars screen (CP/M, MS-DOS), but
> we have many old devices with another line width:
>
>
>
>
> Printers - 65 chars,
>
>
> Commodore C64, MSX - 40 chars.
>
>
> ZX Spectum - ??
>
>
> So, IMHO, let "viewer" do what he can with available native screen.
>
>
>
>
> 2. I want have more highlighting into text. Header and normal text is not
> enough for me - i want have highlighting for source code, command line
> usage examples, hot-keys etc. I am offer extends format into one of two
> (alternative) way:
>
>
>
>
>
> a) via including ANSI-terminal sequences (ESC+something). Not sure is it
> best way - because emulation is not a piece of cake.
>
>
>
>
>
> b) via additional styles like %0 %1 ... %9. You can also add file 'styles'
> with key-values like:
>
>
>
> %5f = 0 (means foreground color 0 for style %5)
>
>
> %5b = 7 (means background color 7 for style %5)
>
>
>
> If one of 

Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 1877, Issue 3

[Daniel]

I use FreeDos mainly for programming but slow light gaming on an old 300
MHz k6 hp computer with 256mb ram

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> Hi Joao,
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> > Last night i was on my crusade to find a solution to my problem GameTools
> > debugger breakpoints and found an ISO for MS-DOS 7.1 CD and Floppy
> version.
>
> Obviously the China DOS Union "distro" of MS DOS 7.10
> is not a legal way to use MS DOS! Even when it is more
> "convenient" than buying Windows 98 to get MS DOS 7.
>
> Maybe you could tell us what your GameTools debugger breakpoint
> problem was in FreeDOS (and solve it) instead of advertising CDU.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 19:47:54 +
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> To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS."
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> Hi!
>
> Well I haven't done anything with it yet, but it will be for games and some
> programs (a games is a program).
>
> Games,  nice old games, cool games the bring some old memories and time
> well spent.
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 7:42 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jamie!
> >
> > > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi and welcome Jamie!
> > >
> > >> Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10
> > >
> > > That is the level of our MS DOS compatibility, in this
> > > case Windows 98 style DOS with FAT32 support and, if you
> > > load the right drivers, long file name support.
> > >
> > > If you request the OEM number with int 21 function 3000,
> > > BH will be FD like FreeDOS. You also get CX=0 and BL=the
> > > kernel revision (last two digits) from int 21 function 30,
> > > for example 39 for kernel generation 2039.
> > >
> > > As FreeDOS specific extension of the system data area
> > > list of lists (use int 21 function 52 to get a pointer)
> > > you can read internal and setver-able DOS version, the
> > > revision number and a pointer to the version string.
> > >
> > > Note that FreeDOS 1.3 is the version of the distro, not
> > > of the kernel - similar things apply for Linux distros.
> > >
> > > An easy method to get the FreeDOS release string is
> > > int 21 function 33ff, which returns a pointer in DX:AX.
> > > Function 33fc can set the setver DOS version.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Eric
> >
> >
> > Yup, what he said? :-)
> >
> > If for some reason you actually need the release version number,
> > starting with FreeDOS 1.2, under the %DOSDIR% the installer
> > creates a VERSION.FDI file that contains that information.
> >
> > This assumes the user did not delete this file. Also, the
> > boot configuration file (FDAUTO.BAT) sets an environment
> > variable %OS_VERSION%. Which also assumes the
> > user does not remove it.
> >
> > At present, there is no guaranteed method to get the
> > ?distro? release version. For the most part, it doesn?t matter
> > all that much what ?distro? release a user is running anyway.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Jerome
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] details on free software

[Daniel Franzini]

On 7/20/07, NISA BALAKRISHNAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1.what are the various tools commonly used in free software or open source
 projects to track different versions?

mainly CVS and SubVersionthe later is more recent, the former,
despite still being used, is coming into a deprecated state in a
future which i cannot tell whether it is near or far...google for
those and you will find a lot of info...

 2.what is a patch? how does it work?what is its complimentary tool?

a patch is a file which contains the difference between two
source-code files (or groups of files)it reads the two files and
produces a special formatted file which contains the difference in the
source code of those two files (or two groups of files)this
difference file can be distributed over the internet and can be used
to produce copies of the modified source code without having to
re-distribute the entire source tree...


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Re: [Freedos-user] Question about Virtual Box performance.

[Daniel Franzini]

does 2004's extensions work on virtual PC 2007?

sounds interesting.altough writing a driver would be quite fun, i
have some other DOS-related projects i'm involved in and it is really
painfull to work on these without shared folders...

WOW, i've found that i have a installer for the 2004 version of
virtual PCin fact, 2004 was the first one that was made freeware
by microsofti have used it in work, porting some pascal
application (which communicates with a ISA card)...this was near
jan/2006 as far as i can remember


On 7/5/07, Norbert Remmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Daniel,

  i'm also in the quest of writing
  a driver for FreeDOS in order to allow one to use the shared folders
  (it seems that no VM has shared folders for FreeDOS at all...at least
  in my experience: VirtualBOX, VirtualPC and VMWare don't have
  it)


 VirtualPC used to have it in the past.
 Go and get VirtualPC 2004. It includes Virtual machine extensions for
 DOS so you can use shared local folders.
 Microsoft dropped support for DOS in their latest release. That's why
 these extensions are not shipped with VirtualPC 2007 - but you can still
 use these from 2004.

 Regards

 Norbert.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 14, Issue 2

[Daniel Franzini]

On 7/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 PS   What is the easiset way to learn basic?  Is Visual Basic and good place
 to start?


in FreeDOS i think that FreeBASIC (www.freebasic.net) is a good place
to start...

 I am eager to learn Basic so that I can get FreeDos and be able to program
 in it and also learn Pascal!


FreePascal is a nice choice for learning Pascal on DOS (www.freepascal.org)

 Any tips would be greatly appreciated!






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Re: [Freedos-user] Question about Virtual Box performance.

[Daniel Franzini]

On 7/4/07, Giorgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!!! :-)


 hi


 Is someone here, familiar with it?

what do you take for familiar? i have used it sometimes and it worked
fine to me...Win95 for basic stuffi'm also in the quest of writing
a driver for FreeDOS in order to allow one to use the shared folders
(it seems that no VM has shared folders for FreeDOS at all...at least
in my experience: VirtualBOX, VirtualPC and VMWare don't have
it)i've browsed the virtualbox sourcecode but i cannot find (yet)
the exact point where it allows the SO to read/write the local
folder...all i could find was a LOT of WinNT kernel-mode driver
code...

 Can he compare it with VMWARE Server? Is
 it better or worse? Is it faster or slower? Is it emulating FreeDOS
 properly? What about (free) support options?

well, since VMWare Server is freeware you can make you own tests with
it against virtualbox...i don't use vmware so i cannot tell much...i'm
also not sure about support options

just a correction: virtualbox (and others) does not 'emulate'
FreeDOS...they emulate (or at least try to) a full standard x86
machine...the strategy to achieve performance is to let x86 native
code run as x86 native code and not to interpret it with the
vmvmware implementation does this as well as virtualbox'sin
the VM they create, one can install FreeDOS, or any Linux flavor, or
Windows, or BSDs, or anything else wich seems to be an operating
system

 If someone is familiar with it, please share his experience - opinion, with
 us.




 THANKS!!!
 Giorgos. :-)


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[Freedos-user] installing freedos on secondary drive

[Daniel Fodor]

Dear all,

I checked the faqs but could not find solution to my problem.

I have two harddisks: an 80 gb harrdisk (drive c) with win xp and linux and 
a free 10 gb harddisk (drive d). I would like to install freedos onto this 
latter harddisk. I make the partition on drive d restart my computer and 
leave the cd in the cd-rom to be able to install freedos. As next it asks 
whether I want to format drive c. I do not want to format it because I have 
more partitions on it with important data. I want to have it on drive d but 
so far I could not install freedos onto the drive I wanted. Could anyone 
please help me? I would appreciate any kind of help.

Many thanks

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Re: [Freedos-user] my FreeDOS review at OSnews.com

[Daniel Franzini]

wellthere are some ways to boot from CD when this is not supported by the BIOSone of these is to use SBM (Smart Boot Manager)...you just rawrite the image file to a floppy, boot from it, and can boot from CD-ROM...SBM presents a menu for you to choose the boot location
or you can use the FreeDOS floopy image, using the same processboth of these are ready to use in 1.0On 9/7/06, Marti van Lin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi fellow FreeDOS fans,At last my FreeDOS/OpenGEM review has made it to the 
http://osnews.comalternative OS review contest.Unfortunately it is outdated by now, since it describes 9b Methusalem. And almost all of the screenshots have been removed :(
Maybe they've put it up, because FreeDOS is currently Hot. Well in myopinion it has and will always be Hot!Thanks to Eric Auer and Shane Martin Coughlan for their great contributions.
Finally one mistake slipped into the review, since the CD-ROM won't booton this old school Pentium 133 Mhz box (tried it again with the 1.0basic CD).When I installed FreeDOS/OpenGEM for this review, I connected the hard
disk drive to a Pentium 200 MMX, that was able to boot the CD-ROM.Sorry for that glitch.With kind regards,Marti--|_|0|_| Marti van Lin Home Portal: 
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[Freedos-user] Kernel question

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Hi FreeDOS team,

Congrats on the release of FreeDOS 1.0 stable!

As the maintainer of the GNU/DOS distribution, I had a question to  
ask. I noticed that FreeDOS 1.0 was considered stable, yet the  
kernel file on the SourceForge page was called 2036test. Is 2036 a  
development version, or is it stable quality?

The latest release of GNU/DOS (version 2006 SR1), which was released a  
few months back, contains the 2035 kernel compiled for 386  FAT32 and  
modified for DOSLFN support using Jason Hood's old patches. Would  
updating to the 2036test kernel be considered more stable than the  
one I currently use, or is it a test development version?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Kernel question

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Quoting Daniel Quintiliani [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi FreeDOS team,

 Congrats on the release of FreeDOS 1.0 stable!

 As the maintainer of the GNU/DOS distribution, I had a question to
 ask. I noticed that FreeDOS 1.0 was considered stable, yet the
 kernel file on the SourceForge page was called 2036test. Is 2036
a
 development version, or is it stable quality?

 The latest release of GNU/DOS (version 2006 SR1), which was
released a
 few months back, contains the 2035 kernel compiled for 386  FAT32
and
 modified for DOSLFN support using Jason Hood's old patches. Would
 updating to the 2036test kernel be considered more stable than
the
 one I currently use, or is it a test development version?

 Thanks,

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Re: [Freedos-user] Patent granted on FAT

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Shane M. Coughlan wrote:
 Hi guys
 
 An important heads up. Microsoft have been granted a patent on FAT.
 
 http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13256
 
 This could quite seriously effect the FreeDOS project I suspect.
 
 Shane

I hope this doesn't affect my GNU/DOS distribution either...

The new version is due out shortly (awaiting Shane's OpenGEM Complete 5
 OpenGEM 5 SDK, actually), and I'd hate to see all those months of work
I put into the menu, package management, semi-automated installation,
etc. which is coming in the new version have gone to waste...

-Dan



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Re: [Freedos-user] EMM386 2.05 update Bug Report

[Daniel Quintiliani]

Michael Devore wrote:
 Uploaded to ftp://ftp.devoresoftware.com/downloads/emm386 are the files
 emmx205.zip, EMM386/HIMEM mostly executable package, and emms205.zip,
 EMM386/HIMEM mostly source package.
 
 This version of EMM386 has a number of compatibility changes to enhance
 operability with a variety of DOS applications and environments without
 the need for advanced option tweaking.  As a result of the seven changes
 to EMM386 and two changes to HIMEM, this is a recommended released.


Hi,

This update breaks MEM. While it finally allows OpenGEM to work at the
same time as my plug-n-play SoundBlaster AWE64, upon running the latest
stable version of MEM, I get MEM: UMB Corruption.

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