[Freedos-user] OT: What gives?
I just opened my inbox and found a pile of list emails from 2016-09-11 right up to 2017-04-8. Has it happened to anybody else? Thanks Wesley Parish "I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor, Method for Guitar "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can you help me?
There are a few books on the i8088 and i8086 chips out there and a few books on DOS assembler: unfortunately my personal library's boxed up at present so I can't quote titles. But the DOS memory model/s are based on the various Intel chips from i8088 right up to i80386; it'd be easiest to get your head around the i8086 for starters. Wesley Parish On 18/07/2012, at 9:11 AM, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:32 PM, TR-DOS tro...@qq.com wrote: I am a chinese boy,I like computer, want to learn the kernel and renew DOS, can you help me? I don't know your background (you didn't say) but if you haven't done much C programming or assembly, working on the kernel will be challenging. You may have an easier time with the DOS utilities and making some improvements there. A good book about C would probably help (though unlikely to cover the DOS memory model stuff). _C in a Nutshell_ seemed pretty good, from what I could gather. But I normally hate books, so here's a site with some good online references: ( snip ) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Can you help me?
My bad. Sorry! On 12/07/2012, at 2:45 AM, C. Masloch wrote: There is also Dissecting DOS, ISBN: 0-20162-687-X, by Podolsky; Without commenting on my opinion of the book or RxDOS; no, I don't think the author's named Podolsky ;) Regards, Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] The GPL license.
For the quick answer: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html No, merely using the GCC compiler doesn't make your program a covered work. If you are statically linking a library covered by the GPL license, your program constitutes a covered work under the terms of the GPL, unless the copyright-holders have made a specific exemption; http://www.gnu.org/licenses/exceptions.html if you are using the LGPL, your programs do not consitute a covered work and do not covered by the LGPL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html 5. A program that contains no derivative of any portion of the Library, but is designed to work with the Library by being compiled or linked with it, is called a work that uses the Library. Such a work, in isolation, is not a derivative work of the Library, and therefore falls outside the scope of this License. I hope this helps. Wesley Parish On Sunday 14 June 2009 19:25, kurt godel wrote: This is a general question, not(?) completely off topic. I have never quite understood the GPL type license in the following sense: I write my own c++ software; I compile it using an open source deal like djgpp; if I then distribute the compiled exe, am I legally obliged to also distribute(i.e. my) the source code that I merely compiled on a GPL system?. If so, is this because the GPL libraries are statically linked into the exe?. Am I in any case required to include the source code that came with the djgpp distro?. I am genuinely confused about this, and the requirements *appear* to be daunting and cumbersome; or, am I making much ado about nothing?--kurtwb2...@gmail.com. -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Are couch potatoes good to eat? A nose by any other name would smell as sweet. (By Bacon under the pseudonym of Shakespeare) - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Boot problems
On Saturday 08 September 2007 23:00, Vytautas Rakeviius wrote: I installed Win2k in same PC as FreeDOS and Grub, but in separate partition and Linux. Then Win2k nuked my FreeDOS boot with Grub. All FreeDos files still there but if freeDOS use boot.ini so then it is modified. I just want to know basic way to restore FreeDOS boot with grub. If I will have to remove win2k its Ok too. I don't know if GRUB works like this, but i found this worked with LILO - boot up with the installation disk, boot into the rescue console, mount hard drive partitions, cd /mnt/hard drive root partition, chroot /mnt/hard drive root partition and run lilo. That put lilo back onto the MBR, As I say, this works with LILO. I don't know if it works with GRUB becuase I've never done it with GRUB - but there shoulbe be something on it in the documentation. :) Wesley Parish ___ _ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla warfare means up to their monkey tricks. Extracts from Schoolboy Howlers - the collective wisdom of the foolish. - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installed on top of WinMe: system unusable.
On Friday 08 June 2007 18:50, someone wrote: Windows ME is a strange beast. Seems it failed miserably. Nice thing about Windows ME was that it doesn't require validation like XP does. It must only be about 7 years old, but there's no support for it. Just as well perhaps, seems like Windows ME had an identity crisis. It wasn't exactly dos based Windows and yet it wasn't NT either. I think an end of life Windows 98 carrying dos real mode support forward would have been better anyways. A very strange beast indeed. It was a Win9x masquerading as an NT-class OS, and consequently, neither fish nor flesh, but definitely foul. Did 98SE and ME come out about the same time? I don't think that Windows ME has support for real mode dos. 98SE came out some time in 1999=2000, I think - though I wasn't a Microsoft watcher at the time. It had support for real-mode DOS, except that support was internal to the kernel, and wasn't available for the user. I experienced ME for a whole 2 days. When it blue screened on me, I tried to replace it with Linux. When X wouldn't work, the HP celeron system it came on went back to Fred's and I got a refund. I hear that a lot of ME users migrated to XP. Indeed, XP Home upgrade is advertised as an, upgrade for Windows 98SE. 98SE was the ideal upgrade for WinME, if you didn't have the money for the hardware upgrade to make your box XP-friendly. I've upgraded a sister's computer from WinME to 98SE, and they were very, very happy about that. On the subject of seemingly dead releases of Windows, how about Windows CE? How about Windows Vista? ;) Michael Robinson - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla warfare means up to their monkey tricks. Extracts from Schoolboy Howlers - the collective wisdom of the foolish. - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Linux freedos cross compiler
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 01:32, me wrote: Could you give me a little more detail please. I want to cross compile a program in linux to run on freedos. I have slackwareware 11 installed dual boot with freedos. Can I get gcc 3.4.6 to compile a binary to run on freedos? If so could you you tell me how? The thing that came up in my mind was, how does djgpp turn a Un*x binary into a DOS executable? There's a 32-bit DOS stub that gets attached during the later compile process, after compiling and assembling. The only thing is, I don't know if it would be possible to compile something in Linux, copy the compiled file over to the DOS partition, then finish the compile process by attaching the 32-bit DOS stub. Has anyone ever tried that? I haven't, and so can't say whether it will work or not - but that's how djgpp works, and so it should work with an x86 Linux and FreeDOS. Wesley Parish thanks - Original Message - From: Florian Xaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Linux freedos cross compiler Yes, DJGPP is a good idea. But you should use 2.04pre and shouldn't try 2.02. You can use the same GCC compiler as in Linux. Last one is 4.1.x which is ported to DOS. You should ask in the DJGPP newsgroup/mailing list. There are also some libraries for DJGPP which are useable in DOS and Linux (f.e. Allegro game library). Cygwin cannot be used in FreeDOS Bye Flo On 3/19/07, me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to develop freedos programs in linux ,since I already have all my development stuff there.I don't know whether to ask in a linux forum of freedos.I found instructions for building a cross compiler here. http://www.delorie.com/howto/djgpp/linux-x-djgpp.html But the instructions are pretty old and I can't find djcrx202.zip from a reliable source. If I can't cross compile ,will cygwin work on freedos?Freedos only has a few Mb left on the partition so I don't want to install another compiler.Does anyone have other options? - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDE V ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Private Page, oZone GUI http://www.flox.at.tf Club Dr-DOS Wiki http://www.drdos.org Using Arachne, the GPL Web Browser/Suite - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] X Window System for DOS?
There are some other ones - shareware? - I've come across on my 1995 Simtel CDroms. As far as XFree86/XOrg ports, there isn't one to the best of my knowledge; which isn't to say there shouldn't be one. I suspect DJGPP is the correct compiler to use in this case, as most of the XFree86/XOrg source tree will have gcc optimizations. Just my 0.02c worth Wesley Parish Quoting Escorter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! Is there any XFree86/XOrg port for DOS? Quarterdeck made a port of the X Window System for DOS in 1994, called DESQView/X, but it was commercial and closed sourced. __ __ FotoMarket - nyaralási képek akár ingyen! Minden digitális fényképezõgéphez 3.000,- Ft ajándék fotókidolgozás. http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,99786,162268/click.prm - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/ lists/listinfo/freedos-user Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Uninstaller?
I believe that may be overdoing it. PL/I is generally regarded as the simplest solution. ;) On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:53, Joe Cosentino wrote: LISP might be fine too now that I think about it - Original Message - From: Marti van Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Uninstaller? Joe Cosentino schreef: Only FORTRAN and COBOL. Anything else would be uncivilized. - Joe Well, ALGOL 60 would also do fine, don't you think so? - Original Message - From: Bruce M. Axtens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:12 AM Subject: [Freedos-user] Uninstaller? Is there a program to uninstall FreeDOS? Or do I have to write one? If the latter, which languages are allowed? Just for your information: FreeDOS does absolutely not require a Uninstall program. Best wishes, Marti Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com --- -- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVD EV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDE V ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- |_|0|_| Marti's Homepage: http://members.home.nl/ml2mst |_|_|0| Registered Linux User #394093 |0|0|0| We should follow them, not shoot them! (Robert D. Steele) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau ki ana, he aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:30, Jim Hall wrote: Wesley Parish wrote: There was a thread on getting writers and maintainers of old retired DOS software to release it as Open Source and I've lost track of it, otherwise I would be continuing it. My bad. What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility of releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've considered doing it myself, but I don't know just who I should contact. Any ideas, brickbats? Wesley Parish At least in the case of TC when that got posted in Borland's Museum site, I had emailed someone at Borland, and received a generic no, with a followup suggesting that the sources to TC weren't available anymore. One assumes they were purged. Pity. I guess that settles that then. I haven't gone back to ask about BC3.1, which was my favorite DOS compiler for a very, very long time. May as well. They can only say no. And TP, if - again - the sources are still extant. -jh Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau ki ana, he aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
There was a thread on getting writers and maintainers of old retired DOS software to release it as Open Source and I've lost track of it, otherwise I would be continuing it. My bad. What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility of releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've considered doing it myself, but I don't know just who I should contact. Any ideas, brickbats? Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau ki ana, he aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.0 in the news...
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:16, Jim Hall wrote: Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi Ray, with it's own bootsector and startup files? You've then got the HIMEM, EMM386 and IFSHLP to worry about. No, it is just a shell. What do you mean by just a shell? I don't use it any more but I still have the batch file to run it. In one of my older machines it was run from autoexec.bat. The line is still there but remed. You mean you booted into MS-DOS 6.22 and then started WfW from within DOS 6.22? If so, I have to ask why?? That's actually how Windows 1.x-3.x worked ... technically, Win95/98 also worked a similar way, but Microsoft kind of changed things to make it not so obvious. For Windows 3.11 (WFW) you boot into DOS, then you run win to start Windows. Think of Windows as being just like Norton File Commander, or MS-DOS DOSSHELL. While Windows had its own device drivers and executable file format, Win 1.x-3.0 still used MS-DOS for all basic operations. Windows just sat on top of DOS and managed the multitasking. Windows 3.11 (WFW) stopped using DOS for file i/o, but still made pretty heavy use of DOS for other operating system functions. Windows wasn't so much an operating system as an extension that leveraged DOS to do most of the behind the scenes work. That's what Ray means with just a shell. Yes, one of the first things I learnt on a A+ techies course I took a few years ago was that if you fiddled around with Win9x batch files and suchlike, you could have some quite interesting things happening - including setting Win9x to boot to command.com instead of the Explorer shell. It's common knowledge. Microsoft _did_ stuff it up, of course - it made everything overly complex, and as a result, horribly fragile. Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau ki ana, he aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] C compilers.
Didn't someone recently abstract all the DOS executables and put them up somewhere? On Wed, 24 May 2006 00:28, Marten Feldtmann wrote: The development is done either under OS/2 or Windows, but you create DOS code ... Marten Sorry for the garbage. In the OpenWatcom site, I only find the installer for windows. No DOS version. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau ki ana, he aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OLD news: Patent granted on FAT
FWIW, LFN was an integral part of WordPerfect 5.1 - which predates MS win9x by quite a few years. The USPTO's just committing gratuitous fraud. Which is to say, there can be no excuse for such malfeasance. Wesley Parish On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:02, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Shane and others, http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp is very old news. As discussed on our topica mailing list on 5 December 2003 (yes, twok and three), the three mentioned patents are all about long file name processing only. MS wants money from people who build USB memory sticks and digithingies which use FAT on memory cards, and tries to make the vendors believe that this is about FAT32 (well, maybe MS stopped to do that by now), but actually it is about LFN. This is probably the reason why my pocket mp3 player device only shows ID3 tags and short file names but no long file names. The vendor would have had to pay 25 cents per device to MS otherwise... http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/download/hardware/fatgen103.pdf (of year 2000) contains some comment / license info telling that EFI / boot stuff may use FAT anyway, same for diagnostics, and same for manufacture, install and setup any hardware, firmware or operating system software. Well maybe they only meant you can compile Linux on FAT disks, but I guess it ended up meaning that they cannot complain now about Linux being able to mount/use FAT disks...) As said, patents #5,579,517 #5,758,352 #6,286,013 are about long file names. See the 2003 Topica archives ;-). FAT32 is not sufficiently different to FAT16 imho and FAT16 is more than 20 years old by now. Patents ought to expire. As there is, uhm, ongoing development in FAT world, the patents for new features might also support a longer lifespan for the 80s FAT12/FAT16 patents, who knows. But that would be sufficiently ridiculous... Eric --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Patent granted on FAT
Nope. LFN was an integral part of WordPerfect 5.1. Put a mention of that in the GEM and FreeDOS documentation and mention that WordPerfect is the inspiration - then ask the question of how Microsoft could so radically innovate something that was already in common use by - get this - Legal Offices. Go for the jugular. Wesley Parish On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:59, Shane M. Coughlan wrote: Hi guys An important heads up. Microsoft have been granted a patent on FAT. http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13256 This could quite seriously effect the FreeDOS project I suspect. Shane -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ReactOS -- take care
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:49, Tom Lee Mullins wrote: Eric Twose wrote: Hi, Someone mentioned ReactOS here a short while ago. I downloaded it, installed it on a spare machine ... and ran into trouble, though in the end no harm was done. I had Win98 on the c:\ drive and installed ReactOS on d:\, allowing Freeloader to alter the boot sector, rather than boot Freeloader from a floppy. ReactOS booted up ok, but I was then left without a keyboard and without a mouse and I couldn't get back into DOS or Windows, except by using a Windows rescue disk. It didn't like the bootsect.dos it had created. Freeldr.ini looked ok. In the end, A:SYS C: was the only way I could see of getting back to square one. Having said that, ReactOS does look impressive. Best wishes, Eric. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user IIRC - ReactOS does have a mail list. Several actually. www.reactos.com is where you find the details. DOS hackers could make a contribution as well - ReactOS is intended to have a DOS subsystem, and anyone who wants to contribute in that way would be welcome. What version of ReactOS are you using? Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] My experiment with Windows 3.1 on FreeDOS in VMware
It obviously works - but oh, the humanity! ;) On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:15, Robert Morales wrote: I've read a couple of experiences with FreeDOS and Windows 3.1; I gave it a shot in VMware, and recorded my findings (with screenshots) here: http://robert.gotdaemon.net/win31-freedos/ Next I plan on attempting this with a real machine (IBM ThinkPad 760XL), where I have a more used installation of 3.1 under DOS 5.0. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] [SEAL] and xdosemu just work
SEAL works - somewhat. Any other graphical environments for DOS I could try? // //So thanks to all concerned. // //FreeGEM doesn't work in dosemu; it was only when I tried xdosemu that it came //to life. Now I'll have to try SEAL and - any others around? Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OT Novell emmulator
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:43, Johnson Lam wrote: On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:36:33 +0200, you wrote: Hi, I heard of a novel netware emmulator for linux and since here are running allready a lot of linux boxes i thought of using this. does anyone has a idea how to setup this? it seems i do something wrong, at least the clients dont see the novel server. As I know it only exist on the SUSE Linux (bought by Novell). Maybe it's a LGPL. Linux-based Novell emulator? Sure, it's the MarsNWE package: http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch17s03.html http://www.compu-art.de/mars_nwe/ Enjoy! Wesley Parish A other idea would be to use samba. but does anybody know a small (the client from microsoft doesnt fit on one floppy) and a generic (the one from microsoft only runs on 286 and up) client for dos ? Only LAN Manager did the job, I'm using it. Long time ago I've tried to use Windows client (lightweight version of LAN Manager), but it fail to run the NDIS driver or didn't work, glad to see someone can successfully let it work. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeGEM and xdosemu just work
So thanks to all concerned. FreeGEM doesn't work in dosemu; it was only when I tried xdosemu that it came to life. Now I'll have to try SEAL and - any others around? Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] mouse puzzle
I'm using FreeDOS in dosemu running under Linux. I haven't installed any mouse drivers; I can use the Linux mouse with edit and TC++ while I'm running it in a terminal emulator. But those are the only apps I can use the mouse in. Does anyone have any ideas, hints, information about this? And ideas on what I should do to make the mouse useful to more apps? Thanks Wesley Parish Relevant info: DPMI-Server Version 0.9 installed FreeDOS kernel version 1.1.33 (Build 2033) [Jan 31 2004 16:30:33] Kernel compatibility 7.10 - WATCOMC - FAT32 support (C) Copyright 1995-2004 Pasquale J. Villani and The FreeDOS Project. All Rights Reserved. This is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later version. C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS=0-1-1, start= 0 MB, size= 392 MB [dosemu EMS 4.0 driver installed] Kernel: allocated 40 Diskbuffers = 21280 Bytes in HMA FreeCom version 0.82 pl 3 XMS_Swap [Mar 06 2004 10:49:37] D: = LINUX\FS/HOME/WPARISH attrib = READ/WRITE Welcome to dosemu 1.2.1.0! -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New TERMINAL (.com, ROM) released
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:46, Fox wrote: On Saturday 23 April 2005 21:18, Eric Auer wrote: Hi, at http://www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/ terminal-23apr2005.zip and terminal-rom.tar.gz respectively, you can find updated versions of my small TERMINAL. Features: 8088/8086 compatible, UPXed to less than 4 kilobytes, built-in optimized ANSI/VT100 handling. Well What is it for? I tried to guess by launching the program (both term.bat and terminal.com) but can't find its function. Terminal - is it meaning that I could access another computer trough the RS232 with that? ANSI/VT100 emulation - that means it can give you an account on another computer, a multiuser computer, by pretending to be a dumb terminal - the DEC VT series were a set of terminals for their midrange PDPs and VAXes. Fox snip Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Fwd: Running DANCAD3D.EXE v3.7K under FreeDOS, help with Beta Test program
I've just sent a reply off to him - but one dosemu-related question: Is is possible to run more than one dosemu instance with different instances of DOS - eg, MS-DOS, PC-DOS, OpenDOS, FreeDOS, RxDOS, etc, - running at the same time? Has anyone tried? And if so, could anyone give me config hints, tips, etc. Thanks Wesley Parish On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:23, Jim Hall wrote: Hi, Dan sent this email to me, looking for help to get his DANCAN3D program to run on FreeDOS. If anyone can be of any help, please email Dan directly at: Dan Hudgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] -jh Dan Hudgins wrote: I was wondering about what your view is of the issue that comes up when my programs run under MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 95 but not under FreeDOS, i.e. under FreeDOS the program's behavior is not normal it crashes or does other abnormal things. Do you have a tracer you can use to see what FreeDOS is doing differently than MS-DOS 6.22? Are you interested in making FreeDOS run (all?/my?) programs that work under MS-DOS 6.22? Are you interested in beta test using my programs to look for faults in FreeDOS? Another area where my programs may be useful is in performance bench marking FreeDOS against other operating systems, such as MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 95 DOS window. In particular, the harddisk performance of FreeDOS seems to be a particular issue when generating renderings with my CAD programs using the Z-Buffer since the Z-Buffer is kept on disk in the current v3.7K revision so that is can be up to 2.1GB in size regardless of the RAM in the computer. If you beta test run the macros DEMO1.MAC or ZBUFFER1.MAC in my CAD programs and time the time to finish you can use that time as a bench mark for different revisions of FreeDOS and to compare the performance of FreeDOS to other OS so as to see how much improvement is needed to get performance up to or better than what users experience under other OS. There are several macro programs in the distribution zip file, and extra macros in the downloads section at my web site. If you have problems getting any of them to run under MS-DOS 6.22 be sure to let me know since changes to the programs sometimes show up when older macros are run under newer versions. Once you see the macro beta test running under MS-DOS 6.22, you might compare the results under FreeDOS. Please let me know if there is something that I might help with getting FreeDOS to work better with my programs, and thereby probably with some other programs as well. Or if you need some help or suggestions on the use of my programs, e.g. writing a macro program for bench marking and such. I think there might be a place for FreeDOS in machine control using junk computers. My CAM programs have a built in serial port computer network that allows transferring files from the computers used with the CAD programs for making/drawing the tool path files to the shop computers running the CAM programs to operate the machine tools. FreeDOS might also be useful for running the CAM programs on a computer to make it into a file server. But for all of this to become practical FreeDOS must not make my programs crash and do other odd things, and hopefully the file access speed would need to be improved somehow. Please let me know your views on the best way to resolve such issues. Thank you for your help in these matters. Dan -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip2exe sort of program
Firstly, thanks to everyone who answered. I found details on unzipsfx at the Unzip website and downloaded a more up-to-date unzip and zip than I had been using before. I'll try arj as well - back when DOS was the only thing I had on my PC, I remember it as a good program. Wesley Parish On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:36, Florian Xaver wrote: Try Info-Zip!! It includes such a program! Bye, Flo -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] zip2exe sort of program
I'm wanting a zip2exe sort of program, to convert a set of Openwatcom DOS zip files to self-extracting, so I can write a batch file to install the whole kit and caboodle without much manual interaction. zip and unzip doen't have it in the switches. Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Galahad, Clarkson Uni's word processor
I just came across this today on an old Simtel cdrom I keep around. It's released under a form of GPL, namely the Galahad Public License, which is practically identical with the GNU GPL. Does anyone know how to get ahold of the sources? (I've just sent an email to the CompSci Professor - don't know how much luck I'll have. ;) Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:34, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Theresa, snip FreeDos is legal, isn't it? FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all over the world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, while others are not free. The above should tell you that many people do not give a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours, but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives: Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for a legal copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which case it costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happens for Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD or any other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can also buy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least piece of hardware. The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Euros as far as I remember. I've been very impressed lately by some of the missed opportunities in early Win31/Win95 Office Suites and DOS WordProcessors. A complete Office Suite that fits on less than 9MB hard disk space - I like! In relation to that, does anyone know where I can find the specifications of the native WordPerfect file format? And suchlike? I know O'Reilly's had something of the sort, and there might have been something similar published somewhere else - but I don't know where to get copies. Thanks Wesley Parish In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too heavy for your very old laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. In Germany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version, as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it, and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner, not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windows license is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC falls apart into a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies of Win95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote that your laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy, e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS to send you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least my personal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD- ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which you already legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM. I hope that answers some of your questions. Eric. PS: Please do make sure that you configure your EMail program to send mail only as plain text. At the moment, you use HTML, which is pretty unstylish for mailing lists / not nice and easy to read. snip -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
