Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader - try AHCICD by R Loew - Including his software in FreeDOS
On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:02 PM tauro via Freedos-user wrote: > Quoting the website: > > > Rudolph Loew (Rudy) passed away on September 11th, 2019. > > This site is maintained by his family to archive his work and make it > > available to anyone who is interested in pursuing further endeavors. > > Please do not try to make any purchases, all of Rudy's projects will > > be made available (including source code) as time permits. > > In order to freely distribute it and include it in FreeDOS repositories, > wouldn't it be a good idea to contact his estate to dissipate all doubts > about the current license? (maybe advice them to use a GNU GPL license too). > > Including his software in FreeDOS would keep his legacy alive for many > years and based on forum posts by his family members and the current > message header on his memorial website, it seems they would be happy > with it. > I tried to reach his family, by email (several times) and by letter, but got no response. I encouraged them to use a recognized open source license such as the MIT license or the GNU General Public License, including instructions for how to apply the license to the code. I also offered to help more directly, and to get back to me if they wanted help. But I never heard back from them. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader - try AHCICD by R Loew - Including his software in FreeDOS
On 20/9/22 04:35, Eric Auer wrote: You could use AHCICD, which got open sourced after the author Rudolph Loew passed away, but unfortunately, he has not been able to update all documentation after his death, so the way in which AHCICD and his other software became open source was not accepted by this distro and you have to download things separately by hand. However, the license.txt and readme etc. still are originals, so they still say the software is copyrighted. Only the main start page tells otherwise: Quoting the website: Rudolph Loew (Rudy) passed away on September 11th, 2019. This site is maintained by his family to archive his work and make it available to anyone who is interested in pursuing further endeavors. Please do not try to make any purchases, all of Rudy's projects will be made available (including source code) as time permits. In order to freely distribute it and include it in FreeDOS repositories, wouldn't it be a good idea to contact his estate to dissipate all doubts about the current license? (maybe advice them to use a GNU GPL license too). Including his software in FreeDOS would keep his legacy alive for many years and based on forum posts by his family members and the current message header on his memorial website, it seems they would be happy with it. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader - try AHCICD by R Loew
On 9/20/22 02:35, Eric Auer wrote: >>> There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers >>> -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install? > > Because only the open source ones actually got installed automatically? That seems backwards to me. The installer is the binary FreeDOS is distributing; how does it help with licensing issues to distribute questionable drivers but not install them? > El Torito often only works for the CD/DVD from which one has booted. Indeed, it gives me "No booted CD-ROM found." -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader - try AHCICD by R Loew
Hi! There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install? Because only the open source ones actually got installed automatically? There CD also has an ELTORITO.SYS driver it will try to use. El Torito often only works for the CD/DVD from which one has booted. If UDVD2 does not detect the drive, the controller might be AHCI. You could use AHCICD, which got open sourced after the author Rudolph Loew passed away, but unfortunately, he has not been able to update all documentation after his death, so the way in which AHCICD and his other software became open source was not accepted by this distro and you have to download things separately by hand. There is a mirror on archive.org here https://archive.org/download/rloewelectronics.com The HTTPS certificate of the original site has expired, but I think it is an acceptable risk to visit the site nevertheless: https://rloewelectronics.com/distribute/AHCICD/1.1/ As you can see, you can find the binary, documentation and sources there :-) However, the license.txt and readme etc. still are originals, so they still say the software is copyrighted. Only the main start page tells otherwise: https://rloewelectronics.com/ WELCOME To the memorial homepage of R. Loew Electronics Consulting Rudolph Loew (Rudy) passed away on September 11th, 2019. This site is maintained by his family to archive his work and make it available to anyone who is interested in pursuing further endeavors. You can view the original un-modified site here. Please do not try to make any purchases, all of Rudy's projects will be made available (including source code) as time permits. Apart from AHCICD, Rudolph has written CDTOOLS, a DLLHOOK redirector, ENCRYPT for encrypted disks, FILE64 to support large files on Win98, KICKWORK, RAMDISK, REPACKER, RFDISK (a partitioning tool), RFORMAT, PATCHATA / PATCH137 to get Win98/95/ME to support disks > 137 GB, PATCHMEM to let Win9x work on PC with > 0.5 GB RAM, SATA, SHELL32 to add SHGetFolder functions, TBPLUS, TRIM and WDMEX. TBPLUS is a tool to get Win98 and MSDOS7 to support > 512 Byte per Sector and possibly also GPT partitioned drives. So most of his tools are Windows related, but some are for DOS. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
Make sure you have the CD/DVD-ROM driver and a MSCDEX equivalent loaded on startup. This might be happening during the installer, but might be missing out of config.sys and autoexec.bat in your installed version... There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install? Are you saying I should throw out that script and load the driver manually? How do I know which driver to use and where it's found? I don't think that the installer is automatically adding the Cd-ROM driver and related files into the autoexec.bat/config.sys files, while the installer boots with those files. That might be something you need to add manually. There is a generic driver with FreeDOS, but in worst case scenario, look for OAKCDROM.SYS on the web, that one works with pretty much everything and then just add SHSUCDX (which is an open source equivalent for MSCDEX) for the filesystem/drive mapping Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
Hallo Herr Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, am Sonntag, 18. September 2022 um 19:30 schrieben Sie: > I installed FreeDOS 1.3 on a machine about ten years old. It > successfully read the DVD during installation, but doesn't recognize it > afterward when booted. > How can I diagnose this? you have a machine with AHCI, are running it in AHCI mode, and FreeDOS has no driver automatically installed for AHCI DVD. this is no problem when booting from DVD as the BIOS provides the driver, but is a problem when booting from disk. you can change this in the BIOS setup to 'legacy mode', 'SATA', ..., but then linux *might* have trouble accesing both disks and DVD, depending on your setup. at least you would loose some performance on linux. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
> On Sep 18, 2022, at 2:53 PM, Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user > wrote: > > [..] > There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers > -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install? There CD also has an ELTORITO.SYS driver it will try to use. For several, this driver is not included in the install process. One reason… I’ve been told this driver should only be used when booting from CD/DVD. However, some users have reported "it worked fine for me” when booting from the hard drive. So, you could try copying that to the hard drive (same location as UDVD2.SYS). The CD initialization script will notice the driver and try it if the others fail to start/work. Also, there are a couple other drivers that we cannot distribute for licensing reasons. However, they are free and easy to find online. If any of those are present the CD initialization will try those first. To see a list of what drivers are supported and the order they are attempted, run “CDROM.BAT help” :-) Jerome ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
OK, so the cat is now awake, and I have installed a fresh copy of FreeDOS 1.3 on VirtualBox. The DVD is visible. This is weird. Can you copy and paste the contents of your fdauto.bat file into an email, to help with further diagnosis? On Sun, 18 Sept 2022 at 20:44, John Vella wrote: > As I understand it, (and I'm not in front of a computer so I can't check > right now) fdauto on the install disk can access the optical drive, but the > files required to access the optical drive are not copied during install, > and the lines are not in the fdauto file on the hard drive. > > I may be wrong, but as I said, I'm not in front of the computer at the > moment, and the cat has fallen asleep on my lap, so I can't get up and > check right now! > > As soon as he shifts, I'll get the laptop and confirm this, unless anybody > else wants to chip in... > > > On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, 20:32 Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >> On 9/18/22 14:12, John Vella wrote: >> > You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into >> > the copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos >> folder. >> >> Are you suggesting that the installer wrote config files that point to >> drivers that don't exist? That doesn't seem likely... >> >> -- >> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) >> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
As I understand it, (and I'm not in front of a computer so I can't check right now) fdauto on the install disk can access the optical drive, but the files required to access the optical drive are not copied during install, and the lines are not in the fdauto file on the hard drive. I may be wrong, but as I said, I'm not in front of the computer at the moment, and the cat has fallen asleep on my lap, so I can't get up and check right now! As soon as he shifts, I'll get the laptop and confirm this, unless anybody else wants to chip in... On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, 20:32 Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On 9/18/22 14:12, John Vella wrote: > > You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into > > the copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos > folder. > > Are you suggesting that the installer wrote config files that point to > drivers that don't exist? That doesn't seem likely... > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
On 9/18/22 14:12, John Vella wrote: > You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into > the copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos folder. Are you suggesting that the installer wrote config files that point to drivers that don't exist? That doesn't seem likely... -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into the copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos folder. I think that'll work. :) On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, 19:56 Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On 9/18/22 12:58, Ralf Quint wrote: > > On 9/18/2022 10:30 AM, Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user wrote: > >> I installed FreeDOS 1.3 on a machine about ten years old. It > >> successfully read the DVD during installation, but doesn't recognize it > >> afterward when booted. > >> > >> How can I diagnose this? > > > > Make sure you have the CD/DVD-ROM driver and a MSCDEX equivalent loaded > > on startup. This might be happening during the installer, but might be > > missing out of config.sys and autoexec.bat in your installed version... > > There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers > -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install? > > Are you saying I should throw out that script and load the driver > manually? How do I know which driver to use and where it's found? > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
On 9/18/22 12:58, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 9/18/2022 10:30 AM, Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user wrote: >> I installed FreeDOS 1.3 on a machine about ten years old. It >> successfully read the DVD during installation, but doesn't recognize it >> afterward when booted. >> >> How can I diagnose this? > > Make sure you have the CD/DVD-ROM driver and a MSCDEX equivalent loaded > on startup. This might be happening during the installer, but might be > missing out of config.sys and autoexec.bat in your installed version... There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install? Are you saying I should throw out that script and load the driver manually? How do I know which driver to use and where it's found? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
On 9/18/2022 10:30 AM, Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user wrote: I installed FreeDOS 1.3 on a machine about ten years old. It successfully read the DVD during installation, but doesn't recognize it afterward when booted. How can I diagnose this? Make sure you have the CD/DVD-ROM driver and a MSCDEX equivalent loaded on startup. This might be happening during the installer, but might be missing out of config.sys and autoexec.bat in your installed version... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader
I installed FreeDOS 1.3 on a machine about ten years old. It successfully read the DVD during installation, but doesn't recognize it afterward when booted. How can I diagnose this? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
