Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
2011/6/22, Eric Auer: Note that SB Live! is not a SoundBlaster in the sense that SB 1.0, SB 1.5, SB Pro, SB 2.0 or SB 16 are, it is not compatible to any of those DOS game compatible cards. However, I seem to remember that SB Live! comes with a quite good virtual simulated SB16 in DOS style driver, so as long as you run that, your games might be just fine. The problem is, that during past years tried it several times - on various boards, using various settings - and it _never_ wanted to work. That's why I was wondering, if there is just anybody at all, who was successful in using that driver. I think the driver needs EMM386 to be present and some of the FreeDOS EMM386 / JEMM386 / JEMMEX variant versions need a special command line option to allow the SB Live! driver to do some strange things that it needs to do to simulate SB16. This is of course documented in the EMM driver docs then... :-) Although I didn't try it under FreeDOS, but using various past DOS-es, I'm afraid, the problem isn't related to memory managers. Talking about which, ISA slots are very rare now, That's why I kept a few old computers. :) but as compromise: have experience with the new GigaByte AM3+ GA-870A-UD3 mainboard yet? I've got very similar board: it's GA-M56S-S3, which works well with Windows, Linux, BSD-s, ForthOS, and even can be used to prepare Hackintosh in case of need (although I did'nt tried FreeDOS with this one... maybe it's time? ;). Has several PCI slots, so the cards collected during the years can still be used. In fact, I bought two such motherboards, to have spare one, since most probably it isn't manufactured anymore - but it's working so well. -- regards, Zbigniew -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense.. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Hi Eric, thanks alot for all your help. A last question I guess: I have a Via Onboard audio but a really new, is this wget VIAUDIO for all VIA Audio onboardchips? MFG Johannes alias Jareika P.s. What is QED? 2011/6/23 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Hi Johannes, Some games DOS games run better in DOS as in DOSBOX, DOSEMU... I have to search for it I didn´t know it when it is not DOSBOX what you mean. DOSEMU is a program for Linux which only simulates the I/O part of the hardware such as graphics card and sound card, but lets your DOS software run on your actual CPU. That way, it is much faster than DOSBOX for some games but most users of DOS games also use Windows and often have so fast CPU that they do not notice the problem with DOSBOX anyway... My PC hardware: Intels i5 750 4x2,66ghz, 8GB DDR3-1333, Gforce 260GTX, 300GB HD SATA, an IDE DVD and an SATA DVD, an normally floppydisk drive on IDE, the Audigy 2 on PCI. QED Eric -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- höhö:D -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Hello, I have such an audiocard, wich are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY with native hardware access. My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make it work. I looked for the helpfiles over and over, but nothing describe a soundcard installer or so to do what I wanna do^^. In the autoexec.bat I found the VIAUDIO row, but in the C:\FDOS\Packages\VIAX is a file depends.txt and in there is the word wget. I haven´t install wget because I have such a mobile Internet and DOS can´t work with that. Could I install wget and get sound without working wget (internetconnection)? I have found in the internet a DOSDRV for Audigy 1, but to install it I need Windows, I tried to install Windows 3.11 on FreeDos drive but after installation the Windows try to start but my PC falls to sleep and nothing happens. And on Win7 x64 I can´t work with most 32bit applications. Result: MPXPLAY works with the Audiocard in DOS very fine, good sound up to 999pitch in 15 seconds^^ so I think an emulation could emulate a normally Soundblaster driver for that working soundsupport from MPXPLAY If anyone have a idea how that can work for me i would be pleased to check it out, thanks Greetings Johannes alias Jareika -- höhö:D -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Hi Johannes, I have such an audiocard, which are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY with native hardware access. My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make it work. Like many modern soundcards, the Audigy soundcard will be AC97 or HDA compatible. In DOS, sound drivers are part of individual games or media players like MPXPLAY. Your games are most likely from the time when SoundBlaster soundcards were standard, so it is not possible to use them with any card which no longer does support SB16 compatibility. In the autoexec.bat I found the VIAUDIO row... VIAAUDIO is just a tool to enable the SoundBlaster compatibility mode of certain (mainboard onboard) soundcards and set a proper volume in the mixer. It only helps you in DOS because the actual hardware of the VIA chip already supports a SoundBlaster mode. Could I install wget and get sound without working wget (internetconnection)? You can use another computer to download the file, but as said, the file is only useful for exactly that VIA chip... I have found in the internet a DOSDRV for Audigy 1, but to install it I need Windows, I tried to install Windows 3.11 on FreeDos drive but after installation the Windows try to start but my PC falls to sleep and nothing happens. And on Win7 x64 I can´t work with most 32bit applications. That is a common and very annoying problem. Some possibilities: - ask somebody with an old Windows version to unpack DOSDRV for you - try if UNZIP or 7ZIP can unzip the DOSDRV installer directly - run the DOSDRV installer in Wine in Linux or maybe in ReactOS To comment on the issue with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in FreeDOS: This is a very widespread but very unusual version of Windows 3, as it only works in 386enh mode. That mode only works if Windows can encapsulate DOS into a multitasking bubble. The support for that is experimental in FreeDOS. Using Windows 3.0 or 3.1 in standard mode is probably easier. You can also try the safe mode equivalent of WfW 3.11, but be aware that as in Win95 and Win98, this is a quite limited mode as most WfW 3.11 drivers only come in 386enh style. Note that all old versions of Windows also have problems if you have more than 256 MB of RAM, but can be made to work with up to 1 GB of RAM with tricks (reduce overcommit / swap). If you have even more RAM, you have to tell your HIMEMX or XMGR or JEMMEX to ignore the rest of your RAM so Windows does not get overwhelmed. Result: MPXPLAY works with the Audiocard in DOS very fine, good sound up to 999pitch in 15 seconds^^ so I think Yes, MPXPLAY has very nice drivers for modern soundcards :-) an emulation could emulate a normally Soundblaster driver for that working soundsupport from MPXPLAY The Audigy DOSDRV does not emulate a SoundBlaster DRIVER. It is a much more complex software which creates the virtual hardware illusion of having a SoundBlaster and then streams the audio from that simulation to the actual Audigy hardware in whichever non-SB format that soundcard actually requires. At least I assume so... If anyone have a idea how that can work for me i would be pleased to check it out, thanks I think you are lucky that a DOSDRV for Audigy exists. The next step will be finding somebody who can extract the DOS files from the installer for you and send them. It might also be an option to ask the Audigy people to do that for you, although support of old hardware is usually quite bad when new hardware is sold more. Regards, Eric -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Hi Eric, thanks for these very helpful answers. I will ask Creative about a package to run sound in DOS. I have tried to unzip the DOSDRV It run but told me can only be installed under Win 95 and 98 with VXD drivers installed. Perhaps I make a partition for such a Windows. I have heared that the most soundcards work with an old dosdriver for SB compatible cards. Have fun And between I live in Berlin^^ and speak german^^ 2011/6/22 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Hi Johannes, I have such an audiocard, which are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY with native hardware access. My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make it work. Like many modern soundcards, the Audigy soundcard will be AC97 or HDA compatible. In DOS, sound drivers are part of individual games or media players like MPXPLAY. Your games are most likely from the time when SoundBlaster soundcards were standard, so it is not possible to use them with any card which no longer does support SB16 compatibility. In the autoexec.bat I found the VIAUDIO row... VIAAUDIO is just a tool to enable the SoundBlaster compatibility mode of certain (mainboard onboard) soundcards and set a proper volume in the mixer. It only helps you in DOS because the actual hardware of the VIA chip already supports a SoundBlaster mode. Could I install wget and get sound without working wget (internetconnection)? You can use another computer to download the file, but as said, the file is only useful for exactly that VIA chip... I have found in the internet a DOSDRV for Audigy 1, but to install it I need Windows, I tried to install Windows 3.11 on FreeDos drive but after installation the Windows try to start but my PC falls to sleep and nothing happens. And on Win7 x64 I can´t work with most 32bit applications. That is a common and very annoying problem. Some possibilities: - ask somebody with an old Windows version to unpack DOSDRV for you - try if UNZIP or 7ZIP can unzip the DOSDRV installer directly - run the DOSDRV installer in Wine in Linux or maybe in ReactOS To comment on the issue with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in FreeDOS: This is a very widespread but very unusual version of Windows 3, as it only works in 386enh mode. That mode only works if Windows can encapsulate DOS into a multitasking bubble. The support for that is experimental in FreeDOS. Using Windows 3.0 or 3.1 in standard mode is probably easier. You can also try the safe mode equivalent of WfW 3.11, but be aware that as in Win95 and Win98, this is a quite limited mode as most WfW 3.11 drivers only come in 386enh style. Note that all old versions of Windows also have problems if you have more than 256 MB of RAM, but can be made to work with up to 1 GB of RAM with tricks (reduce overcommit / swap). If you have even more RAM, you have to tell your HIMEMX or XMGR or JEMMEX to ignore the rest of your RAM so Windows does not get overwhelmed. Result: MPXPLAY works with the Audiocard in DOS very fine, good sound up to 999pitch in 15 seconds^^ so I think Yes, MPXPLAY has very nice drivers for modern soundcards :-) an emulation could emulate a normally Soundblaster driver for that working soundsupport from MPXPLAY The Audigy DOSDRV does not emulate a SoundBlaster DRIVER. It is a much more complex software which creates the virtual hardware illusion of having a SoundBlaster and then streams the audio from that simulation to the actual Audigy hardware in whichever non-SB format that soundcard actually requires. At least I assume so... If anyone have a idea how that can work for me i would be pleased to check it out, thanks I think you are lucky that a DOSDRV for Audigy exists. The next step will be finding somebody who can extract the DOS files from the installer for you and send them. It might also be an option to ask the Audigy people to do that for you, although support of old hardware is usually quite bad when new hardware is sold more. Regards, Eric -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- höhö:D -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today.
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Hi Johannes, I have heard that the most soundcards work with an old dosdriver for SB compatible cards. Maybe not. The Audigy driver will probably be designed only for Audigy cards. If the Audigy is AC97 compatible it might be easy for Creative to also support more AC97 compatible cards - but why would they want to do that? Of course they prefer it that people by their cards :-) Note that an old project for a generic solution exists and even is open source. It is called VSB and creates a virtual soundblaster 1.0 - not 2.0, not pro, not 16. Which is too old and simple even for most DOS games :-p Because the project is old, I think it only has output to old hardware such as Covox (printer port DAC) but it shows the general idea... In theory, you could take the VSB source code and reconnect the stream of VSB audio data to drivers for modern hardware, which could be ported from ALSA-project for Linux or from MPXPLAY. In practice, such things are quite complicated, as is virtual / simulated hardware from scratch anyway. In environments like DOSEMU, the operating system which runs the real hardware helps you. Still it is a good idea to use DOSEMU, Bochs or similar source code for more complete SoundBlaster16 emulations as yet another ingredient for the holy grail of the universal HDA or AC97 to SB16 transmogrification driver ;-) And between I live in Berlin^^ and speak german^^ Then I could visit you because Berlin is a nice city, but actually I do not live in Berlin ;-) This is only were I have my email address. At least I speak German. Cheers, Eric PS: On what sort of hardware do you run DOS, why, and do you dual-boot with other operating systems there? -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Tried several times to use ordinary Soundblaster Live! under DOS - and _never_ was able to make any use out of this card under DOS. Maybe someone of you managed to configure this card for DOS? Just out of curiosity, since I've got ISA cards, that I'm using with no problems whatsoever - but I'm wondering, was it possible at all? That dos utility, which I've found on CD shipped with card, doesn't work as expected. -- Z. -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
Hi Zbigniew! Tried several times to use ordinary Soundblaster Live! under DOS - and _never_ was able to make any use out of this card under DOS. Note that SB Live! is not a SoundBlaster in the sense that SB 1.0, SB 1.5, SB Pro, SB 2.0 or SB 16 are, it is not compatible to any of those DOS game compatible cards. However, I seem to remember that SB Live! comes with a quite good virtual simulated SB16 in DOS style driver, so as long as you run that, your games might be just fine. I think the driver needs EMM386 to be present and some of the FreeDOS EMM386 / JEMM386 / JEMMEX variant versions need a special command line option to allow the SB Live! driver to do some strange things that it needs to do to simulate SB16. This is of course documented in the EMM driver docs then... :-) Maybe someone of you managed to configure this card for DOS? Good question :-) Anybody? Just out of curiosity, since I've got ISA cards, that I'm using with no problems whatsoever - but I'm wondering, was it possible at all? That dos utility, which I've found on CD shipped with card, doesn't work as expected. Talking about which, ISA slots are very rare now, but as compromise: have experience with the new GigaByte AM3+ GA-870A-UD3 mainboard yet? It sounds very interesting - all old ports AND all new ports, such as fast USB3, fast 6 GB/s SATA, FireWire, PCIe, PCI, 7.1 HDA audio, S/PDIF out (optical and coax) and GBit-LAN, but also still has IDE, printer port, serial port and even floppy possibilities :-) (no ISA) Eric PS: Suggestions for similar motherboards are also welcome :-) -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.
I have such an audiocard, wich are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY with native hardware access. My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make it work. I had the same problem. Dosbox is a great program, but I prefer playing my old Sierra and LucasArts games (I still have some diskettes and CDs) in a clean DOS, and not an emulated one. I bought like 3 years ago a SB Live! which came with DOS drivers. I never managed to play all the games with sound. I don't remember if they were the newer ones or older ones that didn't work well. My problems ended a couple of months ago, I've bought a 1998 Dell computer (~ US$ 13) and a SB16 (~ US$ 5). The cdrom was broken but I changed it with the cdrom from a newer computer (2002). All games, I've been playing, work excellent and unpatched (because of speed) I've found a computer graveyard in my city that sells all kind of hardware. I am thinking in buying an AWE32 card which is bigger than the SB16 and only costs 3 american dollars (seller thinks bigger means not good). Maybe someday I'll try composing and professional audio ;) Santiago -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
