Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Jim wrote: > I like this one: > > "2011-08-02 18:09:06" just make it the default ;-) cm wrote: > Except if a 12-hour time format is desired no point ;-) -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> Also, using the all-numeric representation ("2011-08-02 18:09:06")
> makes DIR dead simple for localization. There are no strings to
> replace.
Except if a 12-hour time format is desired.
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Christian
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
>> How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL
>
> Don't spell the month out if there is a risk of sort, see older post:
I like this one:
> "2011-08-02 18:09:06"
But not these:
> "2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06" (sorts well)
>
> or
>
> "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" (doesn't sort well)
>
> so default should be NOT spelled out.
Also, using the all-numeric representation ("2011-08-02 18:09:06")
makes DIR dead simple for localization. There are no strings to
replace.
-jh
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> > Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot > > are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 > That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any > systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? FASM :-) Using it in all my sources :-) The ASCII code is 39. The source code (NOT FASM) is here: http://freebasic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12600 (to be included in my MD5 calculator, ooops links are dead, have to reupload it) > How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL Don't spell the month out if there is a risk of sort, see older post: "2011-08-02 18:09:06" or "2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06" (sorts well) or "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" (doesn't sort well) so default should be NOT spelled out. -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
>> Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot >> are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 > > That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any > systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? I considered adding the single quote <'> as separator to my debugger's expression evaluator (besides the NASM style underscore <_>) but it clashed with its usage as quote for strings. (Could have overloaded it inside digit sequences, but the syntax is too kludgy already anyway.) The weird other quotes <`> and <´> are too difficult to type (at least on German keyboard layouts) so I haven't considered using those yet. >> What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is >> obsolete and crashing too :-D > > = alt-0128 (under Windows). It was a trick question, there's no ASCII code of . And in any case, I'd prefer to specify its code as U+20AC instead of as weird Alt+numpad sequences. >> "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" ??? > > How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL due to > alphabetical issues? Or intending to add code to list the order of months > ? I feel like DIR should sort by the binary values of the date anyway, not the string representations. Regards, Christian -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Op 4-8-2011 14:32, dos386 schreef: >> * number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) > > Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot > are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 That's a nice idea, though at first glance a bit odd looking. Any systems using this upper [`] or ['] ? >> * separater: ehm no idea. > > Of who or what ? time and date, currency. >> * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a >> euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes > > What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is > obsolete and crashing too :-D € = alt-0128 (under Windows). Haven't been able to get it recently working under DOS due to needing to sort out some issues with KEYB. [Right-Alt + 5] should also work >> I think it's less ambiguous to just spell out the month > > Acceptable idea. How's sorting by month gonna work when it's not numerical? A directory C:\BACKUP\[MMDD] is quite nice. >> And (POSIX?) Linux "date" seems to be similarly unambiguous: >> Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 but they use timestamps ranging from 1970 to 2038 or so, so no wonder they can represent date any way they like, including timezone stuff. > Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) > > What's wrong with: > > "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" ??? How's DIR gonna sort by date when AUG goes before JUL due to alphabetical issues? Or intending to add code to list the order of months ? -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 06:10 -0700, dos386 wrote: > "2011-08-02 18:09:06" My vote's on the ISO 8601 standard (like above) - it makes it easy to sort directories in date order. I recommend FreeDOS adopts the ISO 8601 standard, and only convert dates for humans based on their country/locale. -- Tactical Nuclear Kittens -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> -Original Message- > From: dos386 [mailto:dos...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:10 AM > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks. > > > > "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" > > That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August) > > Indeed :-( > > so > > "2011-08-02 18:09:06" > > or > > "2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06" Personally, I don't care for having the month name as well as the number, though I could live with it. I do like having the day of the week in there, though. Dave -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> > "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" > That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August) Indeed :-( so "2011-08-02 18:09:06" or "2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06" -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> -Original Message- > From: dos386 [mailto:dos...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:32 AM > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks. ... > > and use AM/PM time, e.g.: > > Horrible :-( > > > Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm > > what's the benefit ? Please supply at least ONE argument ;-) > > > And (POSIX?) Linux "date" seems to be similarly unambiguous: > > Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 > > Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) Unabmiguous, yes, but doesn't sort. > > What's wrong with: > > "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" ??? That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August). What's wrong with the SQL standard: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 Sorts perfectly as a string. -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> * number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) Why not 18'446'744'073'709'551'615 ??? Comma and dot are usually used to separate fractional part: PI = 3.14159265358979 > * separater: ehm no idea. Of who or what ? > * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a > euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes What's the ASCII code of EURO ??? BTW, EURO is obsolete and crashing too :-D > I think it's less ambiguous to just spell out the month Acceptable idea. > and use AM/PM time, e.g.: Horrible :-( > Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm what's the benefit ? Please supply at least ONE argument ;-) > And (POSIX?) Linux "date" seems to be similarly unambiguous: > Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) What's wrong with: "2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06" ??? -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi, On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Op 2-8-2011 14:05, dos386 schreef: > > I'd prefer a default of: > * date: MMDD (Japanese notation, right?) > * time: HHMMSS > * number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) > * separater: ehm no idea. > * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a > euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes. > > Different options is fine, just the default maybe isn't ideal :) I think it's less ambiguous to just spell out the month and use AM/PM time, e.g.: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm And (POSIX?) Linux "date" seems to be similarly unambiguous: Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 REXX (scripting language) has a lot of "date" (built-in function, aka BIF) options, though I think only ANSI REXX (e.g. Regina) can convert between 'em, and they all have different advantages / disadvantages: http://www.kilowattsoftware.com/tutorial/rexx/bidate.htm -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Op 2-8-2011 14:05, dos386 schreef: >> ... or all the other date formattings > > No point of existence ;-) > >> German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY >> than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different > > I prefer to keep things simple (QWERTY, "@" and "\" discoverable) > and convenient (-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) - no need for messing > up eveything. Anyone has a clue how many permutations of timestamps > or keyboard exist at all ? In any case, I don't need more than ONE ;-) I wonder how easy it is to define your own preferred set, and also if 'no Country defined' should switch to current US-English behaviour, or to a perfect behaviour. I'd prefer a default of: * date: MMDD (Japanese notation, right?) * time: HHMMSS * number: nnn.nnn.nnn,xyz (european) * separater: ehm no idea. * keyboard: QWERTY with EURO (858 thus), still not managed to get a euro-sign in DOS but likely depends on having KEYB loaded, which crashes. Different options is fine, just the default maybe isn't ideal :) -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi dos386, >> ... or all the other date formattings > > No point of existence ;-) I hope zou do not think that about other countries as well... >> German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY >> than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different > > I prefer to keep things simple (QWERTY, "@" and "\" discoverable) > and convenient (-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) - no need for messing > up eveything. Anyone has a clue how many permutations of timestamps > or keyboard exist at all ? In any case, I don't need more than ONE > ;-) Keyboard very many, date / time very few. I think your preferred style is either "what the American default is anyway" or maybe a small variant, if default has am/pm. So I am sure you can find a setting with date and time style of your taste in the kernel. And I am sure that you need no drivers for keyboard or fonts, because you already like the BIOS default settings for those :-) Eric -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> ... or all the other date formattings No point of existence ;-) > German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY > than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different I prefer to keep things simple (QWERTY, "@" and "\" discoverable) and convenient (-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) - no need for messing up eveything. Anyone has a clue how many permutations of timestamps or keyboard exist at all ? In any case, I don't need more than ONE ;-) -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi Bernd, Dos386, > I'd like to see -MM-DD (with dashes) and without COUNTRY. ... or Japanese MMDD as Bernd mentioned ... >> makes sorting files by date so much easier. > > :-) ...or all the other date formattings: You can just set your country depending on your taste. As long as you do not use nlsfunc, nothing will try to make your keyboard or font Japanese. Simply pick a place where date, time and number formats match your taste, e.g. German dd.mm. hh:mm 1.000,00 for COUNTRY even if your LANG setting for strings, DISPLAY fonts (if any) and keyboard layout (if any other than BIOS default US QWERTY) are totally different ;-) Eric PS: Note that COUNTRY also influences the "yes no characters" and currency sign and a few other things... Some countries even have a slightly specific collate order (e.g. how to sort accented chars). -- BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos & much more. Register early & save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
I'd like to see -MM-DD (with dashes) and without COUNTRY. > makes sorting files by date so much easier. :-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Op 30-7-2011 15:05, Zbigniew schreef: >> Another one: all dates should be -MM-DD and times without the >> silly "a" and "p" > > ...or could respect the convention: > - when dash used as separator - date is -MM-DD > - when dot - date format is DD.MM. > - when slash - the format is MM/DD/ > > Such way it could be more flexible This is COUNTRY.SYS related, but maybe the /4 setting indeed should use modern settings. Japanese MMDD has always been my favourite, makes sorting files by date so much easier. -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
2011/7/30, dos386: > Another one: all dates should be -MM-DD and times without the > silly "a" and "p" ...or could respect the convention: - when dash used as separator - date is -MM-DD - when dot - date format is DD.MM. - when slash - the format is MM/DD/ Such way it could be more flexible -- Z. -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
> intentionally, as far as I remember for mimicking MS style EDR-DOS doesn't have this bug ;-) > If MS COMMAND.COM for DOS didn't have a setting for 4-digit year Another one: all dates should be -MM-DD and times without the silly "a" and "p" -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Op 29-7-2011 13:22, Eric Auer schreef: > That is not a bug, dos386. FreeCOM command.com DIR does this > intentionally, as far as I remember for mimicking MS style, > which in turn might be necessary for some older batch files. > > However, I understand your point, so maybe we could either > make this configurable (maybe even dynamically, DIR settings > in an environment variable already are supported anyway) or > we could have a vote about what style is preferred ;-) If MS COMMAND.COM for DOS didn't have a setting for 4-digit year display, it's simple to let the current "/4" setting also display free diskspace instead of empty stuff. I'm surprised 4DOS doesn't seem to have a 4-digit year display (or I'm bad at finding it). -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
Hi for the third, > IIRC I had reported this BUG some time ago ... if volume is > empty, I want to see how much space for bloat I have ;-) That is not a bug, dos386. FreeCOM command.com DIR does this intentionally, as far as I remember for mimicking MS style, which in turn might be necessary for some older batch files. However, I understand your point, so maybe we could either make this configurable (maybe even dynamically, DIR settings in an environment variable already are supported anyway) or we could have a vote about what style is preferred ;-) Eric -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
IIRC I had reported this BUG some time ago ... if volume is empty, I want to see how much space for bloat I have ;-) -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom portuguese brazilian translation recovery
Eric Auer escreveu: > I found a binary copy of a Brazilian Portuguese freecom > command.com (ca 11/2005 or older) in my archives... This > is, as far as I remember, from Alain or Henrique who lost > his source text file... That was me :) all my machines were stolen the same weekend :( > So I extracted all text strings > from the binary, preserving the accented chars in the DOS > codepage they were written in :-). It was codepage 850, one of the big fixes because the former translation was pure ascii > If anybody wants to > have a look, I can send you the 10 kB zip file. To turn > it into a compileable file again, you have to take the > ca 250 :TEXT_... and :PROMPT_... labels from a message > file of another translation and insert them at the right > places in the right order. Probably relatively simple, > as the order of strings should not have changed much over > time. You still need some proof-reading to check where > messages changed or new ones got introduced, but it would > be nice to have at least a raw Brazilian version again. > I hope somebody likes the idea :-). I do :) I just didn't get it right: do you mean that it can be compiled again in the same standard way ? Thanks, *VERY MUCH* Alain - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM ^Z in copy con indeed broken
> Which version? Kernel 2.0.35 stable (I think) with FreeCOM 0.84pre. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM ^Z in copy con indeed broken
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:53:37 -0800, you wrote: Hi Blair, >> I don't see it, with a quick test (of the stable cvs branch kernel). >Works for me too. Which version? I want to test again with the identical version. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM ^Z in copy con indeed broken
> I don't see it, with a quick test (of the stable cvs branch kernel). Works for me too. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM ^Z in copy con indeed broken
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Eric Auer wrote: Hi, odd, while I remembered ^Z to be working, it actually is broken when testing in Dosemu and Bochs, with FreeCOM versions 0.82pl1, 0.82pl3 and 0.84-pre. This really should not happen :-(. Copy con test.txt type something ^Z --> does not end the copy con (^Z at start of line should do that!). Hi Eric, this would be a kernel problem, not a freecom problem. I don't see it, with a quick test (of the stable cvs branch kernel). Bart --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM
Henrique Peron schreef: Hi all, before anyone asks: after reading this, I used FD-KEYB (under MS-DOS), tried "copy con test.txt", typed something, hit + and it worked fine. MS shell will probably have CTRL-Z working anyway. your post means KEYB does not change any ctrl-z behaviour. FreeCOM 0.84pre does not support CTRL-Z to end "copy con test.txt", nor F6 (also prints ^Z). FreeCOM 0.84pre + FD KEYB behaves same: not supported older FreeCOM might work, don't know. Bernd --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM
Hi all,
before anyone asks: after reading this, I used FD-KEYB (under MS-DOS), tried
"copy con test.txt", typed something, hit + and it worked fine.
Henrique
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From: "Johnson Lam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:44:04 -0400, you wrote:
>... and Arkady's
>> FreeCOM.
>...
>
>What changes are in this? and where is it?
I'm not very sure, because I got the binary only without document. But
what I know is this version implemented CTRL+arrow keys, before this
FreeCOM have none.
Also I notice "copy con {filename}" can't create file in FreeDOS,
CTRL-Z can't break free from edit mode, none of the keys can except
reset.
Rgds,
Johnson.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCOM 0.84-Pre
Johnson Lam wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:08:26 -0400, you wrote: ... I've tested the CMDXMS.HEAD for a period of time, it's very stable thanks for testing I updated the descriptions a little, so hopefully it is clearer which are the recommended versions for more general testing/use. Maybe we have to consider a deadline for testing, say 3 months. And ask for a vote, if nobody run into a problem, then it should be release 0.84 final. The only thing holding up the release is me finding time to update all the translations with the new ones available (I have to search through my emails to try and find which ones are updated and where to get them). There are few issues that people brought up that need to be addressed, but I think they can wait for the following release. The version number of Kernel and FreeCOM is confusing enough. :-) Thanks for your work. Rgds, Johnson. Jeremy --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom compile errors
Kenneth J. Davis wrote: Tom Lee Mullins wrote: " Hello All, I am trying to complie the freecom source using all the tools given by them on the site but i am receiving the error.. no such command or file as "make" i have turboc 1.01 and nasm and all the things given by the site.. i also have installed the latest freedos on my hard disk.. Please help thanking you Maulik Is his config.mak setup with the proper paths? It may help to ensure the borland tools are also in the PATH environment variable. Also, is he using the source straight from cvs or from the archive at fdos.org? (Depending on the branch) the source as is in cvs will not compile, at minimal you need the suppl library and a dummy file (or minimal implementation) as it appears to have not been committed -- I forget which, but check out the patch file included in the source archive of FreeCom on fdos.org/kernel/ [it also contains some additional fixes, so I recommend it over straight cvs source using the head branch] (if he needs further help, you may want to suggest the FreeCom mailing list, FreeDOS-FreeCom) Jeremy --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Thank you for the reply. I have forwarded it to the freedos group. -- TomLeeM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.ecomstation.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://tomleem.homestead.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom compile errors
Tom Lee Mullins wrote: " Hello All, I am trying to complie the freecom source using all the tools given by them on the site but i am receiving the error.. no such command or file as "make" i have turboc 1.01 and nasm and all the things given by the site.. i also have installed the latest freedos on my hard disk.. Please help thanking you Maulik Is his config.mak setup with the proper paths? It may help to ensure the borland tools are also in the PATH environment variable. Also, is he using the source straight from cvs or from the archive at fdos.org? (Depending on the branch) the source as is in cvs will not compile, at minimal you need the suppl library and a dummy file (or minimal implementation) as it appears to have not been committed -- I forget which, but check out the patch file included in the source archive of FreeCom on fdos.org/kernel/ [it also contains some additional fixes, so I recommend it over straight cvs source using the head branch] (if he needs further help, you may want to suggest the FreeCom mailing list, FreeDOS-FreeCom) Jeremy --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom Was: Re:Edlin 2.4 italian binary
Hi! 16-Фев-2005 14:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AITOR SANTAMARIA MERINO) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: >> Arkady, SYS C: is for transferring systemfiles from current drive (perhaps >> even directory) to C: and writing bootsector. ASM> IIRC bootsector is not overwritten, unless you do /MBR (at least in MS's). Aitor, we told about FD SYS, not about MS FDISK. And /MBR overwrites MBR's boot code, not bootsector (for which answers FORMAT and SYS). --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom Was: Re:Edlin 2.4 italian binary
Hi, Bernd Blaauw escribió: > by the way, would be nice if daily kernel builds also include batchfile for SYS A: /BOOTONLY , copying kernel, and optionally FreeCOM/shell. Now I first have to go to commandline to use SYS A: >>> >>> >> >> I think, any irreversible actions should be ommited as much, as >> possible. And I think, typing "SYS A: ." isn't longer, than "SYSA.BAT". >> > Arkady, SYS C: is for transferring systemfiles from current drive (perhaps > even directory) to C: and writing bootsector. IIRC bootsector is not overwritten, unless you do /MBR (at least in MS's). Aitor --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom Was: Re:Edlin 2.4 italian binary
Hi! 14-Фев-2005 22:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: by the way, would be nice if daily kernel builds also include batchfile for SYS A: /BOOTONLY , copying kernel, and optionally FreeCOM/shell. Now I first have to go to commandline to use SYS A: >> I think, any irreversible actions should be ommited as much, as >>possible. And I think, typing "SYS A: ." isn't longer, than "SYSA.BAT". BB> Arkady, SYS C: is for transferring systemfiles from current drive BB> (perhaps even directory) to C: and writing bootsector. BB> Thus, SYS A: is for transferring files to A:. Of course, I know this. BB> It's easier for me to edit an included batchfile (in Windows 2000) than BB> to open a command prompt, change drive/directory to where I downloaded SYS, BB> and execute SYS A: You mean, "run" (not "edit")? Interesting reason. But: 1. I myself _always_ check beforehand what given batch file contains. 2. Why not make your own batch file and place it in some your own directory? Then you may, for example, place (permanent) shortcut to it in Start/Programs. And, thus, you will not depend on some exampled batch file from distributive. BB> The /BOOTONLY is recommended because Jeremy's archive omits command.com, BB> and then in Win2000 the file named %comspec% gets copied. BB> Not so nice, as that's C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\CMD.EXE or BB> C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\COMMAND.COM. :) This is another reason to make your own batch file - it will check command.com existance and copy some other, if need. But... Jeremy's distributive doesn't contains command.com? This is bad, I think. BB> Oops! BB> "SYS A: . " is transferring files from A: to current drive/directory.. Of course, I mean "SYS . A:". :) BB> the SYSA.BAT file you mention wasn't included in Jeremy's daily kernel BB> builds available from www.fdos.org/kernel. This was only my example. :) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom Was: Re:Edlin 2.4 italian binary
by the way, would be nice if daily kernel builds also include batchfile for SYS A: /BOOTONLY , copying kernel, and optionally FreeCOM/shell. Now I first have to go to commandline to use SYS A: I think, any irreversible actions should be ommited as much, as possible. And I think, typing "SYS A: ." isn't longer, than "SYSA.BAT". Arkady, SYS C: is for transferring systemfiles from current drive (perhaps even directory) to C: and writing bootsector. Thus, SYS A: is for transferring files to A:. It's easier for me to edit an included batchfile (in Windows 2000) than to open a command prompt, change drive/directory to where I downloaded SYS, and execute SYS A: The /BOOTONLY is recommended because Jeremy's archive omits command.com, and then in Win2000 the file named %comspec% gets copied. Not so nice, as that's C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\CMD.EXE or C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\COMMAND.COM. Oops! "SYS A: . " is transferring files from A: to current drive/directory.. the SYSA.BAT file you mention wasn't included in Jeremy's daily kernel builds available from www.fdos.org/kernel. Bernd Bernd --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freecom Was: Re:Edlin 2.4 italian binary
Hi! 12-Фев-2005 01:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth J. Davis) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: >> by the way, would be nice if daily kernel builds also include batchfile >> for SYS A: /BOOTONLY , copying kernel, and optionally FreeCOM/shell. >> Now I first have to go to commandline to use SYS A: I think, any irreversible actions should be ommited as much, as possible. And I think, typing "SYS A: ." isn't longer, than "SYSA.BAT". --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
