Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
On Sep 21, 2008, at 3:11 AM, Der kleine Beitrag eines Computeranwenders (Users) wrote: > Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 schrieb Travis Siegel: >> since there's caldera's opendos, >> pts dos 2000, and others that are already opensource > > PTS DOS 2000 is open-source? Where? > I can only find http://www.paragon-software.com/dos/index.htm and > http://www.phystechsoft.com/ptsdos/products.php?page=3 where you can > still > BUY it. The downloads are trials only. > Ahh, you are correct. However, if you purchase a license for the dos, you get the source as well. I purchased mine some time ago, so it is possible this is no longer the case, but it was as of some time in 2000 or 2001, not exactly sure when I purchased my copy. Sorry, since I had source, I'd (incorrectly) assumed it was opensource, but checking files again, it doesn't appear to be so. If you want the source though, simply buy a license, and source should come along with it. Sorry for the confusion, and hope this helps. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 schrieb Travis Siegel: > since there's caldera's opendos, > pts dos 2000, and others that are already opensource PTS DOS 2000 is open-source? Where? I can only find http://www.paragon-software.com/dos/index.htm and http://www.phystechsoft.com/ptsdos/products.php?page=3 where you can still BUY it. The downloads are trials only. Greetings, Andreas. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 schrieb Travis Siegel: > I'm > personally of the opinion that if the company no longer sells, > supports, or in the case of most companies, actively discourages the > use of said program, then that program should fall into public domain, > and no longer be liable for copyright infringement. Thus, all those > commercial dos games such as the kings quest, colonel's bequest, > civilization, and so on should have no penalty whatsoever for copying > them. True, but keep in mind that what is old by PC standards can be re-used on modern hardware such as mobile phones, PDAs etc. The displays of such devices is most of the time very small, like VGA was, and the CPU isn't very fast, like the 386-25 or something like this. Thus, these old games open a sales market for such games, even though they are no longer available on the PC platform. This makes the copyright a little bit more complicated, don't you think? Greetings, Andreas. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
Travis Siegel schrieb: > I agree that abandon programs such as win 3.x and msdos should be > opensourced, but I'd settle for uninforcable copyrights. I'm > personally of the opinion that if the company no longer sells, > supports, or in the case of most companies, actively discourages the > use of said program, then that program should fall into public domain, > and no longer be liable for copyright infringement. Thus, all those > commercial dos games such as the kings quest, colonel's bequest, > civilization, and so on should have no penalty whatsoever for copying > them. > I realize most older dos software is available somewhere online if you > search hard enough, but it shouldn't be necessary to hide such > things. The companies (in some cases are just plain gone) the > software is no longer sold, it certainly isn't supported, and even if > you wanted to buy a copy of said program, it's just plain not > possible, because the companies no longer have copies to sell, even if > you could reach someone who was willing to sell a copy. > So, why should we have to fear law suits when there's clearly no > financial loss to the companies in question. > Last time the copyright laws came up for discussion, some folks tried > to get an excemption for older software, but the copyright office > turned down the amendment. It's up for renewal this year (or next, > not sure which) perhaps we should try again. Then we'd have all kinds > of software for freedos. > But regardless, open sourcing some of the old dos programs would be an > excellent idea, and provide loads of educational and historical > importants knowledge to new computer users, or those just trying to > get into computer programming, it could act as a roadmap so to speak > of what the computer industry has gone through in it's various > incarnations as relates to mainstream software. > Just my thoughts, use them as you like (or disregard them entirely, > that's ok too) I agree in most points. On my harddisk I started to prepare something like a petition to push forward in the complex of themes "legalize abandonware, backuup your source code and release it"... If you are seriously interested in contributing you may contact me. -mr - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
On Sep 7, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Michael Reichenbach wrote: > Mateusz Viste schrieb: >>> Frankly, I'd like to see Microsoft forced to open source it's >>> abandoned operating systems. If Microsoft can do something totally >>> different like Vista, there's no excuse for keeping something >>> ancient >>> like MS-DOS 7.0 closed. >> Ms dos 6.22 source has escaped into the wild, but as mentioned, there's little need to refer to it, since there's caldera's opendos, pts dos 2000, and others that are already opensource, and can easily be checked against for compatibility. (though I'd really love to get my hands on source code for pc dos 2K.) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
I agree that abandon programs such as win 3.x and msdos should be opensourced, but I'd settle for uninforcable copyrights. I'm personally of the opinion that if the company no longer sells, supports, or in the case of most companies, actively discourages the use of said program, then that program should fall into public domain, and no longer be liable for copyright infringement. Thus, all those commercial dos games such as the kings quest, colonel's bequest, civilization, and so on should have no penalty whatsoever for copying them. I realize most older dos software is available somewhere online if you search hard enough, but it shouldn't be necessary to hide such things. The companies (in some cases are just plain gone) the software is no longer sold, it certainly isn't supported, and even if you wanted to buy a copy of said program, it's just plain not possible, because the companies no longer have copies to sell, even if you could reach someone who was willing to sell a copy. So, why should we have to fear law suits when there's clearly no financial loss to the companies in question. Last time the copyright laws came up for discussion, some folks tried to get an excemption for older software, but the copyright office turned down the amendment. It's up for renewal this year (or next, not sure which) perhaps we should try again. Then we'd have all kinds of software for freedos. But regardless, open sourcing some of the old dos programs would be an excellent idea, and provide loads of educational and historical importants knowledge to new computer users, or those just trying to get into computer programming, it could act as a roadmap so to speak of what the computer industry has gone through in it's various incarnations as relates to mainstream software. Just my thoughts, use them as you like (or disregard them entirely, that's ok too) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
Mateusz Viste schrieb: >> Frankly, I'd like to see Microsoft forced to open source it's >> abandoned operating systems. If Microsoft can do something totally >> different like Vista, there's no excuse for keeping something ancient >> like MS-DOS 7.0 closed. > > Well... I'm not sure we would really need such open MSDOS 7.x anymore It would be a cool option if anyone could legally look into it for reference. But I think now the FreeDOS project has to less manpower to review and cannibalize MS-DOS anyway. -mr - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
On Sunday 07 September 2008, robinson-west user wrote: > Wolfenstein 3D will install, but it's not playable. Then you have something broken... I am using FreeDOS from several years, and Wolfenstein 3D is a game which always worked fine for me. What exactly do you mean by "not playable"? Maybe you have not enough low memory (I remember it run slow then)? > (...) the shareware versions of Commander Keen I and IV work and > install. What about other Keen's episodes (II-III)? For me, they works, too. > My 486 DX2-66 has a copy of 98SE on it now, albeit that is very slow. Wow, a Win 98SE on a 486DX2-66?? Centuries ago I had the same CPU, and I remember that Win 3.x was okay, but the first version of windows 95 was a hell to use... But I had only 16MB of FPM-RAM, maybe you have more. > Frankly, I'd like to see Microsoft forced to open source it's > abandoned operating systems. If Microsoft can do something totally > different like Vista, there's no excuse for keeping something ancient > like MS-DOS 7.0 closed. Well... I'm not sure we would really need such open MSDOS 7.x anymore. FreeDOS is already *very* powerfull. The kernel is stable, the memory management is far better than the microsoft's one, it has similar tools (even more)... I'm not sure the problems you are reporting are really FreeDOS troubles. Are you using the latest version of everything (kernel, HIMEM/EMM386, FreeComm...)? Do you tried to free up the maximum of memory? Maybe could you post your start-up files (autoexec & config, or fdconfig or what else you may use)? Best regards, Mateusz Viste -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://mateusz.viste.free.fr/pub_key signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Games report...
robinson-west user schrieb: > ... games not working ... Interesting report. You want to say these games are working with MS-DOS but not with FreeDOS? You may post the configuration (config/autoexec) for MS-DOS and also for FreeDOS. Maybe it can be improved. > I wish the ReactOS project hadn't gotten away from > offering a Windows 9x replacement. I know there's a hatred of dos, > but it's the only way to go on an ancient computer. I think if you wait for this project to finish you waste your live waiting... > Frankly, I'd like to see Microsoft forced to open source it's > abandoned operating systems. If Microsoft can do something totally > different like Vista, there's no excuse for keeping something ancient > like MS-DOS 7.0 closed. There are reasons for them. I was also interested in this and made a research. - some of the code of MS-DOS 8.0 is still inside Vista - probable Microsoft has not the full copyright over MS-DOS (maybe them licensed technologies from third partys for their operating system but without the right to publish all details as open source) or used a closed source third party library - Maybe their is something to hide. - Microsoft doesn't want to see this operating system alive again when it's free, so them lose potential costumers or risk that existing costumers can use lesser time their current services. - It's maybe like with creative and the past soundblaster de facto standard... Many people did try to reverse engineer their cards in software but failed more or less because creative refused to publish details, also even long time after importance of the sb de facto standard. A nice article http://www.crossfire-designs.de/index.php?lang=de&what=articles&name=showarticle.htm&article=soundcards (german link, but it's worth to try reading it with an online translator). If you read it it's clear that creative made promises about compatibility and quality, while them did know it wasn't the truth. Evil tongue say it was a lie and it wouldn't be wise to admit it. -mr - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
