Re: [FRIAM] Lets try this again reaching out for advice and opinions

I am coming to appreciate more what artists (including poets and musicians) mean when they talk about their work being collaborative with their audience (fans, readers, etc.)   I share your (Glen) sentiment (as something of a shoe-gazer myself) that I am not in any (specific) way obligated to

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

F It’s probably not a belief, either, come to think on it. n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

De gustibus non est disputandum Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 6:50 PM Nick Thompson wrote: > G > > I think it was Quine who said, if it's the kind of thing you have to >

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

G I think it was Quine who said, if it's the kind of thing you have to reason about it's not a value. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam

[FRIAM] Some extraneous Friam traffic...

Inspired by a Facebook post, I said, "Alexa, open the pod doors please". She said, "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that". Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918

Re: [FRIAM] Lets try this again reaching out for advice and opinions

Ha! That's a pretty funny image. The idea that there's a bunch of lurkers bobbing their heads at what someone says seems like something Trump might think. It would be an interesting experiment. When/if you post some blurb to your favorite medium, be it cocktail party, Twitter, or some mailing

Re: [FRIAM] FriAM is dead! Long live FriAM

Thanks Steve! I do agree that as far as I can tell what ever I was doing before was basicaly a constant solve the imediate issue thing. I hope your right in that maybe now I'm wanting to move at more steady pace, and also get a much more long term thing going. Oh like I'm in a walking group. I've

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

Aha! That's good to know. Like deeply parsing Liz Phair lyrics, you *cannot* rely on me to infer what you imply. I'm just not smart enough. On 07/11/2018 12:10 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > I was making FUN of the trolley game. I don't want to play it any more than > you do! -- ☣ uǝlƃ

[FRIAM] FriAM is dead! Long live FriAM

Gil - FWIW, I can sense that you might be on the edge of your own "symmetry break"... that you are struggling hard to break some patterns which have (apparently) worked well enough for you for some time, but which seem not to (current psych doc, current GP, daily activities, exercise habits,

[FRIAM] Fwd: Re: life, music, dance

Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [FRIAM] life, music, dance Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:59:09 -0600 From: Steven A Smith To: uǝlƃ ☣ You can never have enough X but you can most definitely have too much X X==money, fame, alcohol, charm, attention, age, youth

Re: [FRIAM] life, music, dance

Glen writes: < The point being, even if Ms. Phair is right that everyone, when pressed, includes "getting paid" as part of what they want, it doesn't mean her *implication* is sound -- that "getting paid" is a good thing. > With "It looks like shit and it must be America" I think that's not

Re: [FRIAM] Lets try this again reaching out for advice and opinions

Glen, your anecdote joins nicely with Jaqueline's question "if this list is dead, where will all the lurkers go?" to create an image of hundreds of heads at hundreds of screens bobbing up and down! This triggers for me, the famous film quote (tagline?) from the Alien 4 part trilogy: "In space,

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

Re: Decision Paralysis.  A sage friend of mine used to say "sometimes the most you can do is nothing".  I'm also lead to think of "Symmetry Breaking" in dynamical systems. Re: Gil's question of whether this list is dead or not...  I certainly have dialed back my participation in the psuedo

Re: [FRIAM] life, music, dance

Universal quantification does not hold here; what's good for me is different than what's good for the world. There are those that deny it while doing everything they can to reinforce the underlying inequality. Immigration policy is one dramatic example. It goes by another name, bad faith.

Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

I like the list. Keep it going! Greetings from BerlinJochen null FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] life, music, dance

Which is quite on topic for the belief/doubt thread, too! What we *want* is distinct from what is *good* for us ... sometimes even disjoint: want ∩ good = ∅ To quote Tool: "Why can't we drink forever?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglVqACd1C8 On 07/11/2018 10:46 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] life, music, dance

Which I am sorry to say fires-off this neuron in my brain. On 7/11/18, 11:25 AM, "uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: Maybe this will be interesting, Gil: Alan Watts & David Lindberg - Why Your Life Is Not A Journey

[FRIAM] life, music, dance

Maybe this will be interesting, Gil: Alan Watts & David Lindberg - Why Your Life Is Not A Journey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHnIJeE3LAI -- ☣ uǝlƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St.

Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

I've not been involved in lists like this one before. It seems a lot like a family in certain respects. It is a weird mix of complexity folks (its charter), those associated with the complexity and high-tech community that sprouted up around Santa Fe / SFI / LANL / BiosGroup. It has some really

Re: [FRIAM] Lets try this again reaching out for advice and opinions

For what it's worth, I have nothing to contribute to many of your (Gil) questions. I know I'm a blowhard on almost everything. But I do actually try to stay quiet when I know I've got nothing of use to say. Some people are different (e.g. Renee'). She'd rather someone respond with

Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

The world is a high dimensional space and we are comparatively low dimensional beings. It is surprising communication occurs at all. Better to have a world of aliens than twins. Yes, I recognize that at least half the country disagrees with me. From: Friam on behalf of Gillian Densmore

Re: [FRIAM] Lets try this again reaching out for advice and opinions

Having reasonable experience with presby clinic on St Mike's across from St Vinnie. On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 08:20 Gillian Densmore wrote: > I tried asking before. I am going to trust again: > Problems: I do not trust Saint Vincents, want several clubs I can at least > try, I probably need a job

Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed. I know on my my end to get any ones opinions or advice on or even just to say a friendly hello, it seems like I need

Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

If this is dead, where will all the lurkers go? On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:44 AM Gary Schiltz wrote: > (Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty > Python) > > I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen > lately about philosophy

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

Glen writes: "If some action will be required *anyway*, common to a wide array of potential actions and consequences, then do that." Another form would be "I'm lost, so I'll follow another car." These kinds of damage-limiting default actions (when actions are *required*) need not be

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

This brings to mind the dimensionality of the space of possible actions. I don't play the Trolley Game Nick wants to play because the space is absurdly, artificially small ... presented by sophists who care little about the real world. The real world (usually) presents a very high dimensional

Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python) I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

There’s another type of paralysis that does not involve doubt but computation cost in resolving or characterizing doubt: A soon as it takes more time to compute the likely first-order consequences of various potential actions (even using coarse-graining or surrogate models or whatever

[FRIAM] Is this list dead now

Simple question: Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE). So is this list now dead and or MIA? Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

[FRIAM] Lets try this again reaching out for advice and opinions

I tried asking before. I am going to trust again: Problems: I do not trust Saint Vincents, want several clubs I can at least try, I probably need a job career resume helping types. Problems After Monday simply do not trust Saint Vincents. Owen/Dad has a tendancy to say IT must be their it etc. I