Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism Again

From Street's article: "My guess is that he’ll try to tough it out, handing off most if not all the difficult work to his underlings." I agree with Street, here. There's an accusation that people like Bannon are writing a bunch of executive orders, not even knowing which ones Trump will sign.

Re: [FRIAM] Check it out

On 01/25/2017 09:37 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > New wiki site to keep an eye on Trump: presterity.og Interesting and practical implementation of the "keep a list" idea. Thanks! -- ☣ glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

Re: [FRIAM] cafeteria buddhism

Best part of inaguaration day! Watch Brass Band Perform Darth Vader's Theme Outside Trump Tower http://chicagoist.com/2017/01/20/video_watch_brass_band_perform_dart.php -- ☣ glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] cafeteria buddhism

On 01/24/2017 02:01 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > I’d need to know which part of Biblical morality we’re talking about. I agree. I like the Jefferson Bible, wherein TJ tried to extract Jesus' teachings from the rest of the hooha in the Bible. I think those teachings _might_ cohere as a standal

[FRIAM] cafeteria buddhism

The recent mentions of various aspects of Buddhism by RobertW, Marcus, and Steve, and my perhaps too flippant rejection of it, got me wondering. I started seriously doubting Americanized Eastern religions after/while reading Tao of Physics so long ago. But I didn't think much of it after that

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

On 01/23/2017 12:44 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > That's the collateral damage of the republicans. Neoliberals protect the > very strong and the very weak, avoid existential threats to the collective, > while ignoring those that ought to be able to carry on, even though they feel > they should b

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

On 01/23/2017 12:04 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > A centralized experimental protocol rather than a control system for all > time. It can work if results can be ingested and models improved in a > dispassionate fashion. Like new drug treatments, everyone wants equal > access to anything that m

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

On 01/23/2017 11:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > “The Buddha, the Godhead, resides quite as comfortably in the circuits of a > digital computer or the gears of a cycle transmission as he does at the top > of the mountain, or in the petals of a flower. To think otherwise is to > demean the Buddha

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

On 01/21/2017 06:05 PM, Robert Wall wrote: > It is conscious and logical. It's the beginning of wisdom. Or, is it just a > fool's errand? Not easy. Not something I have achieved. But I do think it is > possible. I have a few more years yet ... and then I die. 😕 It does beg the > question, "

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

On 01/21/2017 07:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I give that names like worrying, self-reflection, doubt, analysis, and > reading. I believe it is practiced in a widespread way by the type 1 > thinkers that Pamela mentioned. For whatever it's worth: Study reveals for first time that cognitive

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

#x27;ve called "twitch") that causes the churn in the distribution of various biological attributes. And to whatever extent we have the ability to guide or bias the ur-generated ephemerides in and around us becomes technology and politics. -- ␦glen? -- ☣ glen

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Well, that confirms that it is more like a layered system, even if it's simply self-reported or all in the diagnoser's head. The last 2 sentences of Kernberg's description directly imply constructive causation. But regardless of any competence with or understanding of this particular domain,

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Ha! Right. Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. But some people really do think you can't get anything done with getting your hands ... muddy. And in their defense, that "pure mud" they use at, say, beauty salons is kinda gross to me. If I get muddy, I much prefer, chunky, heterogeneous mud.

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Excellent! Thanks, Eric (and everyone -- I'm enjoying this). So, here's my, in class, answer to Nick's quiz: nick> What is the difference between a circular explanation and a recursive one. What is the key dimension that determines whether an explanation is viciously circular? Is the virt

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

On 01/18/2017 07:38 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Here is your assignment for tomorrow. I am a (proud) C student. So, of course, I will never meet your deadlines. 8^) > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281410347_Comparative_psychology_and_the_recursive_structure_of_filter_explanations > >

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

Heh, they don't need to use their teeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VhtmFDzxg On 01/19/2017 12:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > “There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I > am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of > th

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

I know, right? But pointing out fallacies in someone's reasoning rarely works. And, to be fair, fallacies are fallacious anyway: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy ... shout out to the other thread. >8^) A^¬A Hail Eris! On 01/19/2017 10:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > "When he

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

I'm struggling with being respectful to my neighbor, who voted for Trump. He's a relatively moderate Fundamentalist Christian. When he retired, we yapped over half-done yard work about how corporatism and shareholder-first mentality destroyed his work environment. He's given me Christian book

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of way. On the plus side, those who voted

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

I found this opinion refreshing: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the President-Elect http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2017/01/16/narcissistic-personality-disorder-and-the-president-elect/ I particularly liked the (strawman) circularity caricatured by conflating phenomenology with on

[FRIAM] another suggestion for what you can do

Week 9: Experts in authoritarianism advise to keep a list of things subtly changing around you, so you’ll remember. https://medium.com/@Amy_Siskind/week-9-experts-in-authoritarianism-advise-to-keep-a-list-of-things-subtly-changing-around-you-so-4bc574668100#.7c7n1954i Such lists would/may be of v

Re: [FRIAM] fun!

On 01/12/2017 12:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They say that Trump likes to watch himself on cable news with the sound off. > Maybe he isn't the only one? Heh, if I had hair and lost this stupid pot belly, I might be like that, too. My favorite Trump joke on SNL was this one: https://www.

Re: [FRIAM] fun!

It all depends on what you think this stuff (internet stuff) is for. I enjoyed this article: It’s Time to Kill Twitter, Before It Kills Us http://www.newsweek.com/2017/01/20/kill-twitter-540656.html On 01/12/2017 11:59 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote: > It concluded that could not analyze

[FRIAM] fun!

Gillian was asking that if we must talk about politics, we make it a bit more upbeat. Well, here's a fun site: http://internetawacs.jesterscourt.cc/launchfeed-firehose.php If you go to the "deep dive" section and type in a twitter account username, you get a report on their personality trait

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

So, can we infer that those who focus on a diagnosis believe that the diagnosis might convince Pence and a majority of appropriate others to declare Trump unable? As much as I disagree with Pence's apparent views, it would be fantastic if he were playing such a game. Such sneaky planning migh

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis? I admit that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added to the rest of the stress he will be / has been under, will make him go away. But it's not likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and stig

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

Awesome contribution, Steve! There's so much to both agree and argue with, I simply must indulge. I think there's more substance to the "peaceful transition of power" rhetoric than we're all giving credit, here. Yes, each new President can destroy the world. And leaving the selection of peo

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

Have you turned on Payments? And if so, how much money are you spending? On 01/09/2017 10:20 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > It will use bitcoin for funding content providers brave users visit via > micropayments. -- ☣ glen FRIAM Applie

Re: [FRIAM] Goodbye to Frankenstein.ppt

"Since many English professors hold little respect for numbers, reason, or objectivity, a Moretti always loses to the credentials of either a Feyerabend or a Bloom." Ugh. WTF is that? I was tracking fairly well up until slide 17. I see no reason to include "reason" in that assertion. That

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

On 01/04/2017 10:15 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > Sure... the situation would be improved, and we would call it a win, if we > could send Putin to the principles office... Part of my point was exactly > that it seems unlikely a public accusation by Trump would do anything towards > getting Putin to

Re: [FRIAM] Strange Bedfellows! Trump & Julian Assange

Heh, of course you can politely ask. And as much as I agree with you, particularly about Trump, it damages _us_ as a whole to avoid talking about such messes. As Marcus lays out nicely and has been pointed out variously across time (e.g. "the only thing necessary for evil to exist is for good

Re: [FRIAM] HyperFace

Very nice. Now when you go to update your Facebook profile picture, a little needle will pop out of your phone to prick your finger, sequence the dna, run the algorithm, and update with your predicted face! On 01/04/2017 12:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar

[FRIAM] HyperFace

https://ahprojects.com/projects/hyperface/ > HyperFace is being developed for Hyphen Labs NeuroSpeculative AfroFeminism > project at Sundance Film Festival and is a collaboration with Hyphen Labs > members Ashley Baccus-Clark, Carmen Aguilar y Wedge, Ece Tankal, Nitzan > Bartov, and JB Rubinov

Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

Mwahahahahah! [wrings hands] No. I just hate the way everyone tries to make money off what should be infrastructure. Everyone should get their own website. That they control entirely. I keep intending to set up a permanent one for myself on IPFS

Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

I don't know. I don't care about him or what he wants/thinks. To some extent, he's part of our tribe and in that sense, we have an obligation to either own the repercussions of his actions/statements _or_ rebuke him and police our tribe. But other than that, he's a silly person and I just do

Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

Well, the cow<->Thielian boundary is ephemeral. 2 cows can reproduce to make a Thielian. Thielian production is chaotic and polyphenic. And that's likely to continue despite any widespread but non-catastrophic problem with the cattle population. The Thielian epistocracy will need some thres

Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

The obvious answer is that the Thiels know they need fresh _minds_ as well as fresh blood, at least for now. And this is more than simply growing disrupter-smart cows who will ascend to full humanity in their ranks. They need a delicate balance of suggestibility and intelligence ... cows who

Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

Well, again, the Thiel-as-vampire metaphor would argue that it's not in the best interests of the libertarians to grow a herd of people completely unable to take care of themselves. If the cattle is too dependent, then they'd be forced to admit that they need universal healthcare in order to m

[FRIAM] Political tangents

It's still politics... but _way_ more interesting: Let Them Drink Blood https://tni-back-soon.github.io/essays/let-them-drink-blood/index.html > Alexander Bogdanov, a cofounder of the Bolshevik party and Lenin's one-time > rival, was a particularly Thielian figure in the group. In 1905, Bogd

Re: [FRIAM] Popular vote

If the rhetoric that the electoral college provides extra salience for _swing_ states (not nec. small states, not nec. rural states, etc.), then we can count out places like FL and OH ... or any state where a majority of politicos think they have the advantage by swinging. Perhaps now that inc

Re: [FRIAM] probability vs. statistics (was Re: Model of induction)

Well, my question hasn't been addressed satisfactorily. But I sincerely appreciate all the different ways everyone has tried to talk about it. My question is about language, not math or statistics. I'm adept enough at those. What I'm having trouble with in the argument (the guy's name is St

Re: [FRIAM] probability vs. statistics (was Re: Model of induction)

Well, sure. But the point is that the axiom of choice asserts, merely, the existence of the ability to choose a subset. They call them "choice functions", as if there exists some "chooser". But there's no sense of time (before the choice function is applied versus after it's applied). The n

Re: [FRIAM] probability vs. statistics (was Re: Model of induction)

Ha! Yay! Yes, now I feel like we're discussing the radicality (radicalness?) of Platonic math ... and how weird mathematicians sound (to me) when they say we're discovering theorems rather than constructing them. 8^) Perhaps it's helpful to think about the "axiom of choice"? Is a "choosable"

Re: [FRIAM] probability vs. statistics (was Re: Model of induction)

Thanks! Everything you say seems to land squarely in my opponent's camp, with the focus on the concept of an action or event, requiring some sort of partially ordered index (like time). But you included the clause "but doesn't have to be". I'd like to hear more about what you conceive probab

Re: [FRIAM] probability vs. statistics (was Re: Model of induction)

Yes, definitely. I intend to bring up deterministic stochasticity >8^D the next time I see him. So a discussion of it in the context QM would be helpful. On 12/13/2016 10:54 AM, Grant Holland wrote: > This topic was well-developed in the last century. The probabilists argued > the issues thor

[FRIAM] probability vs. statistics (was Re: Model of induction)

I have a large stash of nonsense I could write that might be on topic. But the topic coincides with an argument I had about 2 weeks ago. My opponent said something generalizing about the use of statistics and I made a comment (I thought was funny, but apparently not) that I don't really know

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

I dunno about "pure". But it definitely reminded me of Euthyphro. On 12/08/2016 03:56 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > I'm not sure this is pure Socratic, but does carry it's form... it is a bit > passive aggressive and/or manipulative to deserve such an idealized term, > don't you think? -- ☣ gl

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

That's all too reasonable to argue with. 8^( On 12/08/2016 02:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I think it is more likely he does it to collect data. It's how he figures > out what his fans want -- perhaps how he knows anything at all-- he wants > people to reveal the binding. If he just wanted

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

That link didn't work for me. But here's another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1IVQJdVvE I know that strategy works because people use it on me all the time! 8^) I think those dastardly elites call it "Socratic". On 12/08/2016 02:49 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > It sounds almost lik

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

On 12/08/2016 11:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > What I mean is that there can be sufficient disequilibrium in the global > system such that an agent could be reasonably well aware of the impact of the > system on them and their impact on the system, and nonetheless act in a way > that decreases

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

On 12/07/2016 07:55 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: There are other kinds of energy barriers besides catastrophes. Climbing a hill is different than falling in a hole and having to climb out again. Taking on debt or forcing everyone to buy car or health insurance, say. Right, which is what I'm

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

I'll respond to your particulars below. But I think they're a bit distracting. If we indulge in a little essentialism, the proto-hypothesis is that equality-inducing instincts (like empathy or emotions of "justice") are mechanisms for optimizing living systems' effort/power. That's the hypo

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

Thanks for the response. Below, I'll propose _alternatives_, the plausibility of which I believe to greater or lesser extents. What I believe to be the case is irrelevant, though. The point is to provide alternatives (what "Millian" might actually mean, in contrast to what Haidt seems to th

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

Sorry if I gave the impression of disrespecting universities. I'm a big fan, actually. I've never been a teacher, no. But I've faced obstructionists in literally _every_ domain in which I've worked. So, I'm familiar with the feeling of simply trying to get some work done and having a small

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

Yes. Even beyond the oversimplification that "diversity" means equal representation between the fictitious "right" vs. "left", Haidt never considers the idea that the very reason there are more left-leaning professors is because universities do pursue truth. And perhaps it just turns out that

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

I'd like to challenge the core assertion: that conflict will necessarily happen. Then, even if we can adequately show it will necessarily happen, I'd like to challenge the children: • that it has happened and • that it will/has happenened so much that it's caused a problem. My challenge l

Re: [FRIAM] Stop Calling People "Low Information Voters" | Quillette

I'd agree. Like with Gillian's recent comment about basic needs satisfaction, a common problem in all of this is the [in]accuracy of self-reporting. This video states it well enough: Why Socrates hated Democracy https://youtu.be/fLJBzhcSWTk "I cause you trouble and go against your desir

Re: [FRIAM] PZ on Haidt

Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the right one: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/05/17/the-unbearable-squishiness-of-jonathan-haidt/ On 11/18/2016 12:03 PM, glen ☣ wrote: I've been following Chris Mooney for awhile on G+ and Owen's enthusiasm for Haidt triggered me to g

[FRIAM] PZ on Haidt

I've been following Chris Mooney for awhile on G+ and Owen's enthusiasm for Haidt triggered me to go searching for the interesting criticisms Mooney levies at Haidt (which is friendly criticism). I failed to find them. But I did find the article below. Meyers pisses me off a lot. He's like

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

On 11/14/2016 12:50 PM, Prof David West wrote: all humans, probably all animals, are innately xenophobic, we are all afraid of the "other." This is nature. But, fear of the black man, or the woman, or whatever, comes about only when our context, the collective / the culture gives definition to

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

There's a lot to [dis]agree with, here. >8^D But I'll start with the thing I mostly agree with: the damage being done to our culture is a function of the language we use. I don't think Trump or his ilk are the cause, though. They're the symptom. The cause is electronic communication. "Inn

Re: [FRIAM] Please I need help with a technical term

It seems we're conflating relations with operators. The sense of "argument" is that of operand, which can be just an input to an operator or just an output, or both an input and an output. The operand is a possibly dynamic thing operated on by the operator. I don't think you want that sense

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

On 11/07/2016 12:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/opinion/on-election-eve-a-brexistential-dread.html I like this quote better: "The point is not to despair, for that is exactly the reaction that people like Trump want to induce in those who oppose him. The point i

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

It's interesting to think about verification, validation, and optimization. But most of that is premature if the _model_ is the cause of the behavior we want to avoid. E.g. Has democracy become a threat to the planet? http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/has-democracy-become-a-threat-to-th

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Part of the tragedy of the "libertarian" hijacking lies in the (often self-attributed) oversimplified sense of opposition to a horizontal tool (e.g. redistributionist approach). The libertarians I hung out with when I still was able to call myself that were never for or against any tool. The

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

I'll add some context. Once upon a time (or at least so I thought), big-L Libertarians were actually libertarians. This was back when truly independent (i.e. crazy) people were welcome and celebrated at Libertarian conventions. It used to be "the party of principle". So, in the good old days

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

Heh, I don't fit the pattern very well. I am known to be grumpy. But my agnosticism is much too broad for me to engage in code rage. I sometimes cut-n-paste. I sometimes put the curly brace on the same line or the line after. I sometimes use library widgets and sometimes roll my own. Pat

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

My favorite example of this is the curmudgeonly tech lead in any significant organization. Such a tech lead ends up splattering all the young'uns with spittle as she rails against all manner of neophyte mistakes and useless new acronyms (that don't do anything new except rename things she's be

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

On 10/28/2016 03:10 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: I've always assumed everyone else's does too... So, when one looks at the content of a mailing list like this, they can _see_ trees of threads, right? If not, I highly recommend a modern client. 8^) It helps a lot. I agree... but I think many/mos

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

On 10/28/2016 02:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: The biggest challenge (I think) to leaving all the text included (other than just text/data bloat) is that many of us aren't responding to the entire linear text of every response that came before... we are often responding only to part of it which

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

On 10/27/2016 04:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: A professional avoids doing things outside of the stated goals of a team because their consulting rates or salary is in part a function of their productivity, and further belonging to other teams makes risks making them less potent on their primary

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

You seem to be saying that, if an individual is a member of a team, they a) cannot do _anything_ outside the context of that team and b) they can't belong to any other teams. That's a very strange set of conditions to imply. Just because you're an employee of the NSA does not mean you can't

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

OK. But by making that argument, you've ceded the necessary assumption within your original argument. At this point, we're agreeing on the gist and disagreeing on minor embellishments. Teams, in the overwhelming majority of cases, increase the individual agency/power of the team members. As

Re: [FRIAM] enablors vs disruptors

Pretty much anything "as in Star Trek" can serve as a metaphor to pretty much anything IRL. So, all you have to do is begin with, "Metaphorically, ..." And we have to allow for all of the incarnations, movies, TNG, DS9, Voyager, etc. We should even count http://www.powells.com/book/physics-

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

On 10/03/2016 05:18 PM, Robert Wall wrote: If they are not in those debates, it is argued that it is near-impossible for them to win much in the Electoral College. Of course, all this assumes that the debates have any real impact. I think most of the evidence shows the 1st debate mattered in

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

I liked the point as made by this post: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/28/debate-nights-biggest-lie-was-told-by-lester-holt/ But even if we admit that the only purpose for the peripheral candidates is to influence the actual candidates, we still have an argument for allowing them to debat

[FRIAM] Hope?

Election Update: The Craziest End To The 2016 Campaign Runs Through New Mexico http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-craziest-end-to-the-2016-campaign-runs-through-new-mexico/ "In 20,000 simulations of our polls-only model this morning, cases in which neither Clinton nor Trump

Re: [FRIAM] rhetorical style

On 09/15/2016 09:52 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: If these players (or the whole strategy) can be sabotaged, is it not good to do so? Is the game worth it? It pretty quickly degenerates into a distinction between agents that have inherent intellectual value, and the very different concept of us

[FRIAM] rhetorical style (was: Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow)

On 09/13/2016 09:28 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: they *RARELY* can stand one another... harsh meets harsh and one or both kneejerk response triggers the other kneejerk and well, you know the rest! Hm. Your statement got me to thinking yesterday. I tend to claim that I like and seek out disagr

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

On 09/14/2016 01:50 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I suppose if work/life lasts long enough, folks will identify ways to avoid the attractors. A tabu search needs a global data structure to be most efficient. In other words, workers need some literacy. Yes, except there are no optima other than

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

On 09/14/2016 12:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Similar psychology: Putting off writing a talk in order to get results you "like" better, but that no one else will notice. No, I would never do that! Heh, my entire life seems to orbit around doing things nobody (but me) cares about. I was at

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

More election system fodder. I love how both headlines imply (all) democracy(ies) is broken. Reminds me of the old aphorism: better is the enemy of adequate. Can “sortition” sort out the problem of political ignorance? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/06/15/can-s

Re: [FRIAM] speaking of analytics

I simply mean that, yes, all predictions require some form of "theory", even if it's solely the unconcious (or programmed in) ontology used to look at, think about, filter the world/data. I.e. any form of inference is subject to the organizing effect of the machine doing the inferring ... prem

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

As usual, I ignore all the places where we agree and emphasize the disagreements ... because life is more fun that way. 8^) On 09/09/2016 12:01 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: (I rarely actually hang by the media outlet waiting for these things). I'm not sure when it happened. But at some point I

[FRIAM] speaking of analytics

The case against big data: "It’s like you’re being put into a cult, but you don’t actually believe in it" http://www.salon.com/2016/09/08/the-case-against-big-data-it-is-like-youre-being-put-into-a-cult-but-you-dont-actually-believe-in-it/ But it’s opaque right? Which is also what a lot of the

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

see higher/growing polling numbers? Is it the ominosity of the elections themselves? Everyone is afraid of creating a "spoiler"? It requires a _machine_. And Clinton seems to have such a machine. Trump does, too, a bit Rube Goldberg, whereas Clinton's shows evi

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

Thanks for sending that. The "right to earn a profit" thing was interesting. I think it's a necessary consequence that such a large agreement, one that pert near forces people to rely on 2nd, 3rd, nth hand interpetations, will exhibit/accrue its own mythos. And that's above and beyond the m

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt! 8^) I tend to think Sanders is best viewed as a storm trooper or, perhaps, an early adopter if you don't like the war metaphor, whereas Obama seems more like a 2nd round person. If that view works, then it should be obvious that they work best a

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

The idea that "free" markets (well, OK, relatively fluid markets) both allow more innovation and lower the barriers to entry is fundamental to my open-mindedness w.r.t. these trade deals. The complicating factor is that perhaps any 1 deal might _tighten_ things up in some ways (e.g. DMCA-like

Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

I don't know what "deep answers" means. But my understanding is that if we allow China to dominate trade in the region, then we (may) lose seats at lots of negotiating tables. If we lead negotiations and have an excuse to stick our noses into every negotiation, then we retain more of both no

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

Of course. But knowing/deciding how much to cite and how much to place in context is also part of the problem. Because everyone has a unique interpretation of words (and a unique graph of concepts), it can be difficult to know how much must be spelt out and how much one can rely on common u

Re: [FRIAM] weird malware

For the analogy to work, we'd have to use corewars or tierra or somesuch. The ben-ware, in competing for the available resources, prevent the mal-ware population from exploding. And we'd have some who had to take regular ben-ware supplements in order to mitigate irritable-output-syndrome and

Re: [FRIAM] weird malware

If you search on ninus.ocn.ne.jp, you get lots of spam warnings. If coerced, I'd guess that you have a program on your machine or in your network that's trying to send out those spam emails. Perhaps you're part of a botnet? On 07/28/2016 03:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: One for the technor

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

I agree completely! On 07/07/2016 03:11 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I'm claiming that a universal computer is a good way to normalize the forms and to check that the manipulations between the forms are sound. The point is to track what the special purpose machines are doing, not to do it. The

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

OK. But you did express that you thought the distinction (between paper math and computation) isn't meaningful (at least not in perpetuity). Yet you admit that (in perpetuity) we should preserve the distinction at least for the sake of efficiency/performance. You have to admit that can seem

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

On 07/06/2016 01:23 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I'm not claiming nature _is_ computational in nature. But if it isn't we can't productively model nature at all. There is nothing to talk about if phenomenology has no predictable regularities. Pray to the Donald and hope for the best. You'r

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

Well, that's kindasorta where I was going by complaining about definiteness. [sigh] If we allow that computations can arrive at indefinite answers (which I think is possible with Marcus' comment about symbolic "computation"), then it's hopeless. Computation covers everything. But if we forc

Re: [FRIAM] Mobile Vulgis was: Anyone from England

If they'd get someone like Samantha Bee or John Oliver to moderate it, _then_ it might be a good thing. On 06/27/2016 03:09 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: That said, I'm still holding out for a 4-way debate with Bernie as Independent and Gary Johnson as Libertarian. I think the Donald would get s

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

Well, maybe the learning isn't devo; maybe it's more evo? ... similar to the disruption of the "keep a steady job then retire" motif my parents understood, that is total bvllsh!t now. Or perhaps the "work hard, buy a house" motif? Or "go to school so you can get a job"? Or even "read, read,

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

Ah, thanks. After your e-mail, I found this: http://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-we-wont-trigger-article-50-now/ “We need to determine what kind of relationship we want with the EU, and that is rightly something for the next prime minister and their cabinet to decide,” said Camero

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