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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
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Ha! Right. Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. But so
m-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 2:19 PM
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Why does Trump display Narcissistic [Personality] Disorder Symptoms? Becau
Well, that confirms that it is more like a layered system, even if it's simply
self-reported or all in the diagnoser's head. The last 2 sentences of
Kernberg's description directly imply constructive causation. But regardless
of any competence with or understanding of this particular domain,
"What Frank says below is of type (1). What Jochen (and others) have
talked about before (childhood experiences, etc.) is more like type (2)."
Type 2? The authentic selfhood of the child is not authenticated by the
parent(s). According to psycoanalyst Otto Kernberg:
"Presenting excessive
Ha! Right. Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. But some people really do think
you can't get anything done with getting your hands ... muddy. And in their
defense, that "pure mud" they use at, say, beauty salons is kinda gross to me.
If I get muddy, I much prefer, chunky, heterogeneous mud.
Excellent! Thanks, Eric (and everyone -- I'm enjoying this). So, here's my,
in class, answer to Nick's quiz:
nick> What is the difference between a circular explanation and a recursive
one. What is the key dimension that determines whether an explanation is
viciously circular? Is the
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Glen,
I'm not sure if Nick can do that. However, he is very good at clarifying
issues by telling me how I am wrong. With that in mind, I'll attempt a
summary, of which I am fairly
thlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
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Glen,
I'm not sure if Nick can do that. However, he is very good at clarifying issues
by telling me how I am wrong. With that in mind, I'll attempt a summary, of
which I am fairly confident:
Circular explanations occur when a
Glen,
I'm not sure if Nick can do that. However, he is very good at clarifying
issues by telling me how I am wrong. With that in mind, I'll attempt a
summary, of which I am fairly confident:
Circular explanations occur when a description of the phenomenon in
question is offered as an explanation
On 01/18/2017 07:38 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Here is your assignment for tomorrow.
I am a (proud) C student. So, of course, I will never meet your deadlines. 8^)
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281410347_Comparative_psychology_and_the_recursive_structure_of_filter_explanations
>
ly <wimber...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is my husband unable to breathe and coughs all the time? And what
>>> is this large white area on his chest x-ray?
>>>
>>> He has lung cancer.
>>>
>>> How do you know?
>>&g
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I found this opinion refreshing:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder a
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m] On Behalf Of glen ?
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> I found this opinion refreshing:
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> Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the President-Ele
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<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of glen ?
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:32 PM
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I found this opinion refreshing:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder an
About 30 years ago there was a long article in the New Yorker about
problems of mental health diagnosis and treatment. It was based on a real
patient who was given the fictitious name of Sylvia Frumpkin. The
consensus diagnosis for her was schizophrenia but one Asian Indian resident
said her
No worries. The thing is, though, with cancer and pneumonia we do have well
evidenced, reproducible, mechanistic hypotheses. That makes those hypotheses
way more robust and trustworthy than personality disorders. So while there may
be some deeply embedded circular reasoning in any diagnosis,
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> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
I found this opinion refreshing:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the President-Elect
http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2017/01/16/narcissistic-personality-disorder-and-the-president-elect/
I particularly liked the (strawman
I found this opinion refreshing:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the President-Elect
http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2017/01/16/narcissistic-personality-disorder-and-the-president-elect/
I particularly liked the (strawman) circularity caricatured by conflating
phenomenology with
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Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of
life. Hence the infantile symptomatology. But it can be aggravated
during adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
Jochen mentions. Heinz
: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was
sent to the NYMA. I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
-J
On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
In 2011 there was a press conf
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>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
>>> Wimberly
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, Janua
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
Nick,
No. "Self" has a technical meaning in psychoanalysis. The tiny baby
experiences the world as self-(m)other after a certain amou
;>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
Yes, pathological narci
Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.
Hence the infantile symptomatology. But it can be aggravated during
adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
Jochen mentions. Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the pathology
in a book called "Analysis of the Self".
If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent
to the NYMA. I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
-J
On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted
Trump and mocked about his competence. Trump was
In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump and
mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and didn't
laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this must have
been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he
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