Re: [FRIAM] causation / evolution

2017-12-01 Thread uǝʃƃ
> way as to give rise to the behaviour observed. A similar approach is > taken to the nervous system. > > Autopoietic theory of course recognises that systems exist within > environments, relate to them, and at low enough material level are > entirely open to them. > >

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

2018-01-04 Thread uǝʃƃ
ees that settled at your house this summer.   Any > "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated > (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be > re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put i

Re: [FRIAM] the bad pun thread

2018-01-05 Thread uǝʃƃ
sure, but with no traffic and only cows in the pasture along the highway > to awaken, I blasted it out at the top of my lungs). One of my favorites was > "Two Shots" from the Windsong album. One line in particular st

Re: [FRIAM] City University of Santa Fe

2018-01-05 Thread uǝʃƃ
SFAUD took over from CofSF and other organizations I contacted about the > possible communication function dismissed the idea out of hand.  AND I lost > my website and url, -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meet

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-23 Thread uǝʃƃ
ea and a lack of nesting infrastructure like cities, roads, power grids, internet, etc. Such claims to "self-making" are directly proportional to age. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-23 Thread uǝʃƃ
ing up her sleeves and working in spite of it. And for me to believe such an argument is kinda sad, since I thrive on confrontation. 8^( -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. Joh

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-24 Thread uǝʃƃ
> anticipate an abusive husband’s mood swings to protect the children and > herself. It is one thing if that person is a professional like a social > worker or police officer that is suitably rewarded for the job they do. > Even at the hig

Re: [FRIAM] merging with the mob

2018-01-25 Thread uǝʃƃ
adaptive person may accidentally *fall* into some form of groupthink and never find the opportunity to escape. That reduces my point to one of "be careful of falling into the groupthink trap that is individualism". -- ∄ uǝʃƃ =

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread uǝʃƃ
dominant themes in that set of >> motives.  Which begs the question how you know what someone's motives are, >> including yourself. > -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread uǝʃƃ
meta-behavior, or a behavioral design. What have > you. So talk of selecting for behavior doesn't bother me. I am not quite > sure what "selecting for testosterone" would mean. When it comes to > evolution, behavior functions, physiology mediates. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ ==

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-23 Thread uǝʃƃ
her kind of > claims to increased understanding are there? Now *that's* another interesting topic, non-causal claims. But I suspect everyone's tired of me by now. So, I really should back off. 8^) -- ∄ uǝʃƃ

Re: [FRIAM] Sustainability of minority culture when inter-ethnic interaction is profitable

2018-02-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
ce verbal arguments abt dynamical systems are broken" -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIA

Re: [FRIAM] Hawking

2018-03-14 Thread uǝʃƃ
being the same number > of scoops and water: entropy or in simple speak even small amounts of > differences in scoop size adds up pretty quickly. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce's "What Pragmatism is."

2018-03-27 Thread uǝʃƃ
that very little we encounter and think we have > gotten a mental handle on has anything beyond local stability. That includes > both geographical and temporal locality, i.e., happenstance. That, at least, > is what I think Peirce is asserting in that context. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce's "What Pragmatism is."

2018-03-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
> Did that reconcile anything? > > (Peirce had a very sophisticated understanding of probability and statistics, > so "in the long term" does not mean "/exactly /as predicted every time.") -- ∄ uǝʃƃ ===

Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism?

2018-07-09 Thread uǝʃƃ
e are a having a definitional problem. To a pragmatist (which I seem > >> to be) there can be no doubt in the presence of action (and no belief > >> in its absence). So when you say, “I doubt everything” that MEANS to > >> me that you do nothing. > &

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread uǝʃƃ
ng ask a nurse to politely express to a doctor > that it comes off as rude when that doc is obssed with a computer gets a > reaction like you've invented warp drive. > > Is it really that unusual for people to try to actively be cordial these > days? If so captian we got a pr

Re: [FRIAM] This is embarrassing

2018-07-13 Thread uǝʃƃ
“scientism” > thread, and that exchange, which I vividly remember, simply isn’t there! > > Is it under a different thread? Is it too much trouble to resend? Ach! > This is awful. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread uǝʃƃ
c without moving?Focusing on the facts of the matter and > not on distracting emotional signals? > > On 7/13/18, 9:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of ∄ uǝʃƃ" on behalf of geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > For what it's worth, my Dr. thanked me after our 1st interact

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread uǝʃƃ
understanding) > the dynamics of medicine is such that nurses *don't* give doctors feedback > on things like this. So the good advice here (which i agree with) would > need to be passed onto the doctor directly -- ∄ uǝʃƃ ===

Re: [FRIAM] Weird observation

2018-07-13 Thread uǝʃƃ
o high of expectations of them, and thus malpractice > insurance contributes to the high cost of medical care. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to un

Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?

2018-07-20 Thread uǝʃƃ
rns can be apprehended seems > to be very obscurely related to the limits of senses. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove

Re: [FRIAM] looking for a word

2018-08-21 Thread uǝʃƃ
x27;s already used in the way I want. E.g. afferent and efferent plexuses. On 08/20/2018 10:18 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > Whatever happened to 'inlet or exhaust manifolds' or 'plenum'? (The exhausts > from the 7 cyclone sets come together in a plenum before

Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?

2018-09-17 Thread uǝʃƃ
ty, does over-intervention concern apply to government behavior > only? One could imagine the same technology trends empower many groups and > individuals. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?

2018-09-17 Thread uǝʃƃ
such a lifestyle became common, > and explains his reason: > > "He believed that anything capable of movement was also capable of pain and > came to the conclusion that he would therefore eat only plants because they > did not move" > > Remarkable for a man 5

Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?

2018-09-17 Thread uǝʃƃ
ttenuated, that new people would move out to rural areas and > drop their urban sensibilities. Perhaps as frequency of diverse interaction > is reduced, a tribal pattern resumes, at least within a generation of > isolation. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ

Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?

2018-09-19 Thread uǝʃƃ
#x27;t help but wonder about distributed organisms like aspen groves or mycelia networks and their inter-species cooperation. I also can't help but wonder how superorganisms might satisfy (1-3). On 09/18/2018 01:32 PM, Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?

2018-09-22 Thread uǝʃƃ
r.t. ray tracing. > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/nvidia-rtx-2080-and-2080-ti-review-a-tale-of-two-very-expensive-graphics-cards/4/ -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at

Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

2018-10-10 Thread uǝʃƃ
d USB > drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to > them?  How’s that work?  > >   > > Sorry to bother you with this.  I know the rest of you have real work.  -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-24 Thread uǝʃƃ
ient.  It also violated my intuition from traffic > flows, where I imagine that rigid rules of priority would facilitate the flow > of people crossing bridges to escape Zozobra.  > >   > > It’s quite possible that my confusions in this matter are of no great general > ap

Re: [FRIAM] Open Letter, draft #2

2018-10-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
al machine that functions > in the same way. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove

Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

2018-10-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
e hierarchical layers of design is a useful way to > describe many of the phenomena that ethologists and socio-biologists are > required to explain. … -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at

Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

2018-10-30 Thread uǝʃƃ
M, John Kennison wrote: > I am going to wait until I receive my copy of Rosen's "Life Itself" which I > ordered, and which is due art the end of this week. I want to take another > look at what Rosen promised (or seemed to promise) and what he delivered.  -- ∄ uǝʃƃ ==

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM Archive

2018-11-05 Thread uǝʃƃ
Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't > working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of > messages. It would be a real shame to lose it. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Appli

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM Archive

2018-11-06 Thread uǝʃƃ
the list, > and to ensure that future messages automatically ended up there, what would > be the group consensus on what platform would be best? I believe FRIAM was > always kept archived by Mailman/Pipermail, so I suppose that would be the > logical choice. Any other candidates?

Re: [FRIAM] Pondering the slang Adulting

2018-11-14 Thread uǝʃƃ
On 11/13/18 7:40 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > I have always wondered about "trolling". Is it the monster under the bridge > or the fisherman. Or both? -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

[FRIAM] "recognize the reality of her psychological experience"

2018-12-07 Thread uǝʃƃ
ht help prevent my flailing around like the perennial dilettante that I am. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [FRIAM] two books

2018-12-09 Thread uǝʃƃ
ters is the meaning of a given expression when we get to a "grounding point" (or in simulation a validation point). But if the math *is* reality (or maps so tightly to reality so as to be indistinguishable from reality), then each and every term of each and every expression, throughou

Re: [FRIAM] "recognize the reality of her psychological experience"

2018-12-09 Thread uǝʃƃ
l visit. I probably won't move back. The nose bleeds and permanent image of the sun burned into my eyeballs is enough to keep me hiding here amongst the trees. 8^) > On 12/7/18 8:51 AM, ∄ uǝʃƃ wrote:> Pronouns >> https://youtu.be/9bbINLWtMKI?t=1457 >> > */[NST==>I hav

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-25 Thread uǝʃƃ
use I'm worried that not enough of us have enough experience learning they've been *tricked* by pareidolia. But, ultimately, concepts like stationarity target the meta-friendly question of whether the coarse- can be stable while the fine- is unstable. And

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-27 Thread uǝʃƃ
refinement), yours seems prejudiced to the coarse-grain (inferred from your "convergence to the real", and bolstered by your statement below about Natural Designs). Which direction one is biased toward is less relevant to me than the assumption of a strict hierarchy. And par

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
Ha! In light of the g-conjecture news, you sent me on an interesting journey trying to find out why a philosopher of science would have contributed to simplicial complexes. The answer is Adolf ≠ Branko! 8^) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branko_Gr%C3%BCnbaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A

[FRIAM] strawman fallacy

2018-12-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
alist like the Unabomber seem more upstanding and trustworthy ... and that inference is just plain dangerous. Here's a fun exploration of whether it's OK to punch nazis: https://youtu.be/iEyL1rDe60w -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Co

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2019-01-02 Thread uǝʃƃ
re of MDMA. Alcohol's side effects, in > terms of impairment of judgement, are already pretty dangerous. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubsc

Re: [FRIAM] on selection pressure

2019-01-02 Thread uǝʃƃ
gue that selection pressure has accomplished nothing > -- conservatism doesn't work if the goal is to create the most fit > individuals. The mean moves, if you care about that. But the very best > solutions are nearly the same, a

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2019-01-03 Thread uǝʃƃ
succs { 6 } > ;; 5 succs { 1 } > ;; 6 succs { 1 } > foo (_Bool flag) > { > int D.1962; > >: > if (flag != 0) > goto ; [INV] > else > goto ; [INV] > >: > foo (0); > goto ; [INV] > >: > D.1962 = 0; > // pre

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-07 Thread uǝʃƃ
tist > asserts that if you stand next to me, you will see what I see. Or, to put > it less metaphorically, if you do the experiment you will get the result. > So, if you take Eric or I to be saying that anything is one hundred present > hierarchically organized all the time and in a

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-08 Thread uǝʃƃ
ifferent matrix). The cause of the pattern is a > different matter entirely from the existence of the pattern - which is > expressly part of the point of Nick's way of approaching it, i.e.,that a > "motive" must be identifiable independent of a particular cause. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ ===

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-08 Thread uǝʃƃ
I > don't think many people would believe that. > > http://infolab.stanford.edu/~ullman/dragon/w06/lectures/dfa3.pdf -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's C

Re: [FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-09 Thread uǝʃƃ
ry to breath again from laughing at a > great anology that's disturbingly acurate and maybe find the Alian Amber > from wence all this came from...it clearly has a Fat Tire. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listser

Re: [FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-10 Thread uǝʃƃ
; supporting right-wing whackos with my beer $$ (when I buy Shiner). -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redf

Re: [FRIAM] Another few ponderances

2019-01-10 Thread uǝʃƃ
t; I have also found I don't particularly crave cookies, and to some degree > don't crave coke nearly as much. > > Lastly: Man, something about fruit juice recently just..really hits the > spot. > > Just curious.. -- ∄ uǝʃƃ =

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread uǝʃƃ
t;> >> >> There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US – hence >> the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge. Would this >> be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better job? Or, at >> least, to ask

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread uǝʃƃ
a partial example of this (perhaps). > >> >> Hope this was on point to what you asked about. > > I think more to the point is to stimulate some off-axis discussion which > perhaps provides a little parallax relief from the familiar left/right > debates (rants) that we (not just

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-14 Thread uǝʃƃ
ich I avail myself of that potential. > > The possibility of and the means of achieving things like group > structures, cultures, social compacts, governments, etc. from a presumption > of individualism as depicted above it an entirely different realm to explore. >

Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...

2019-01-15 Thread uǝʃƃ
an enlisted soldier. That’s not a rhetorical question. I do wonder. I > am thinking there is a high correlation between states with high military > participation and states with anti-government politics. When a conservative > thinks of “government” is he more likely to think of the m

[FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

2019-01-28 Thread uǝʃƃ
younger version of myself. On 1/15/19 10:26 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Why do there have to be roles and not just topics? -- ∄ uǝʃƃ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

2019-01-29 Thread uǝʃƃ
unk > It was starting to look like 4Chan, Anyonymous and Anyonimity was. So me > being me in a sassy just thought it'd be worth saying something mostly to rib > that tendancy. But also to say uh you guys while smart look to be

Re: [FRIAM] Quantum Computing and Spacetime

2019-01-30 Thread uǝʃƃ
19 4:15 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > Natalie Wolchover writes about Quantum Computing and Spacetime. I like her > articles, but this one is a bit far fetched, isn't it > ?https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-space-and-time-could-be-a-quantum-error-correcting-cod