Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 12:50 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Kevin Barth wrote: For those of you arguing that anyone's machine can display HTML and styled text, that's not the point. One of the posts that triggered this came through in huge blue letters on my system. In the past, some posters have sent HTML that displayed

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Judith Berkowitz
I opt to receive all my Lists in Digest Format. If a post is in anything but plain text, it doesn't come through as a readable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Justin The Cynical
On 7/17/10 10:18 PM, Dan wrote: [HTML stripped, as necessary] *snip* Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL SUPPORT, not pretty animated icon cutsie email chatty please pass the nail polish. That's a good one Dan, I'll have to remember that one. I don't speak

Re: Disc Burning

2010-07-18 Thread Tina K.
JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jul 17, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: Any recommendations for an external disc burner for an iMac G5 (maybe Intel iMac) to do DVD/DL and lightscribe? Buffalo, which has a Sony Optiarc super multi-burner inside a

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Tina K.
Dan wrote: HTML email is often done by hardcoding the font sizes. That means your email will ALWAYS be unreadable to someone. HTML email ONLY looks good if the receiver has the SAME type of mail client you do. That means your email will ALWAYS be unreadable to someone. I'm curious, how does

ESata to Sata help...

2010-07-18 Thread Mark Sokolovsky
Hello everybody, i bought an external enclosure for my 320GB seagate drive about 2 months ago, and then received anther one from tyler. I have the 320GB Seagate in the enclosure right now, and while I was in the process of plugging in the new 320GB Sata drive I got, i couldn't help to notice that

Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Stephen Conrad
Mac: Quicksilver G4 OS: OS X 10.4.11 I bought a Targus Universal 32 in 1 card reader/writer It says for Macs you need OS X 10.1.2+ and a CD-ROM 24x (Mine: Model: HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8240B) I plugged it in on various USB ports and it never shows up (I put 2 different cards in it to test it and

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
Yes it is Low End Mac as I have more than once pointed out in the past/ But even low enders move on. My 9600 can handle HTML quite. well. As for you on dial up I hope your city opts for whole access wifi soon. Any techies here complaining about being billed per kb or on dialup or slow connections

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread william Bowles
What you also need to remember is that if the memory card has been formatted in windows only. Some readers will not so it up in a mac enviroment. I have had this problem a few times with different types of cards. Billy. On 18 Jul 2010, at 13:11, Stephen Conrad wrote: Mac: Quicksilver G4

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 12:13 AM -0600 7/18/2010, Tina K. wrote: Dan wrote: HTML email is often done by hardcoding the font sizes. That means your email will ALWAYS be unreadable to someone. HTML email ONLY looks good if the receiver has the SAME type of mail client you do. That means your email will ALWAYS be

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 12:38 PM + 7/18/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: As for you on dial up I hope your city opts for whole access wifi soon. Not likely, as there are big movements at the state levels to ban gov't owned/operated ISPs. The few towns that have rolled their own service really put the

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM, william Bowles williambowle...@gmail.comwrote: What you also need to remember is that if the memory card has been formatted in windows only. Some readers will not so it up in a mac enviroment. I have had this problem a few times with different types of cards.

Re: ESata to Sata help...

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 1:51 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: PM G4 sawtooth. external enclosure for my 320GB seagate drive about 2 months ago, and then received anther one from tyler. I have the 320GB Seagate in the enclosure right now, and while I was in the process of plugging in the new 320GB Sata

OT:To Any Hams On The List

2010-07-18 Thread Dennis Myhand
Please contact me off-list if you are a Ham. Thanks, Dennis Myhand -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
This is low end. Not belittling the low end nor those who struggle to eke out a living. But complaining about such a trivial thing as this and using bandwidth as a reason seems antiquated in 2010. As far as a physical situation I am no mind reader and have no idea of what you are talking about.

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Isaac Smith
On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Mac: Quicksilver G4 OS: OS X 10.4.11 I bought a Targus Universal 32 in 1 card reader/writer It says for Macs you need OS X 10.1.2+ and a CD-ROM 24x (Mine: Model: HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8240B) I plugged it in on various USB ports

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Isaac Smith
As for you on dial up I hope your city opts for whole access wifi soon. Note one important word in this sentence: city. Now, I've got high-speed Internet and can download all the rich-text HTML stupidly-formatted email I want to (although I still prefer plain text), but many of my friends

Nanny note Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Len Gerstel
Folks, per the official Low End Mac Email List FAQs: http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml Don't send styled text or HTML files; only send plain text. Styled text may or may not come through as an attachment, but it is very difficult to read with a plain text email client. Google

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 1:47 PM + 7/18/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: As to whether a techie should worry about HTML mail in terms of IP cost and the strain on computer systems if you are teching for other low enders be realistic, is the grief you are getting worth the grief you are getting? IOW is it

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Peter
The list rules are very clear. If you don't like it or don't want to follow this rules then get off the list. Peter M. Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:34:11

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Isaac Smith
On Jul 18, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Metered service? Who has metered service? The UK? If that is the only thing available that is what you go with but then why bother at all. A phone call would be preferable. And hopefully the post office is still around. Plenty of

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Ted Treen
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Metered service? Who has metered service? The UK? If that is the only thing available that is what you go with but then why bother at all. A phone call would be preferable. And hopefully the post office is still around. Most of us in the UK are on ADSL or

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread t...@io.com
Dan wrote: Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL SUPPORT, not pretty animated icon cutsie email chatty please pass the nail polish. I don't speak for the other techies on these lists... but wading thru HTML-based emails, just like TOP POSTED and UNTRIMMED

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Nikki Wraith
Personally, I don't give a damn. What is annoying is over 100 messages debating it eating my time and bandwidth. Mikeal Palulis Kallisti Medias On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:36 AM, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: Dan wrote: Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL

Pismo surfing freezes

2010-07-18 Thread Bruce - in Orlando
I have a 500 mhz Pismo running 10.4.11, Safari and an original Airport card. Every time I try to get on the internet, it opens the first couple of pages, then when you try to go to the 3rd or 4th page it freezes, with the progress bar just about at http://. At that point, if I try to give up and

Re: Pismo surfing freezes

2010-07-18 Thread John Carmonne
On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: I have a 500 mhz Pismo running 10.4.11, Safari and an original Airport card. Every time I try to get on the internet, it opens the first couple of pages, then when you try to go to the 3rd or 4th page it freezes, with the progress bar

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 11:52 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Nikki Wraith wrote: What is annoying is over 100 messages debating it eating my time and bandwidth. 43 messages, not 100. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for

Re: Disc Burning

2010-07-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Jul 17, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Tina K. wrote: IIRC, non-oem ODDs don't function with the iLife apps. At least I think it used to be that way, haven't heard it mentioned in a long time. I think there used to be a hack called 'Fair Burn' or something that would fool the iLife apps into

Re: Disc Burning

2010-07-18 Thread Eric Herbert
On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 17, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Tina K. wrote: IIRC, non-oem ODDs don't function with the iLife apps. At least I think it used to be that way, haven't heard it mentioned in a long time. I think there used to be a hack called 'Fair Burn' or

Re: plain text please ... 44, do we have 50?

2010-07-18 Thread Bill Connelly
On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Dan wrote: At 11:52 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Nikki Wraith wrote: What is annoying is over 100 messages debating it eating my time and bandwidth. 43 messages, not 100. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message

Re: Pismo surfing freezes

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 9:03 AM -0700 7/18/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: 500 mhz Pismo running 10.4.11 Safari What version of Safari? What plug-ins, add-ons, inputmanagers have you insalled? Every time I try to get on the internet, it opens the first couple of pages, then when you try to go to the 3rd or 4th

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/17/10 3:10 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote: With due respect, seems to me that a steadfast insistence on plain text is dated and unrealistic. This is not up for debate. It has to due with the bandwidth that google allows our group etc. Plain text or leave the list. Sorry.

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/17/10 9:50 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote: The fact that things have always been done this way has never been a particularly compelling argument against change.  To quite the Brady Bunch, When it's time to change, then it's time to change. Listen, the rule is there for a

Re: plain text please ... 44, do we have 50?

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 9:33 AM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: List Nanny would you stop all this? I just did. I will do it again. THIS THREAD IS DEAD. DO NOT POST ON THIS TOPIC ANYMORE. FURTHER POSTS ON THIS TOPIC MAY RESULT IN A TEMPORARY BAN FROM THE LIST. This was the last thing I

iCab 4.8

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
iCab was just recently updated again, so I thought I'd take it for a spin. I used to use iCab as much as WaMCom Mozilla, on OS 9. Liked it on OS X too, but then I ended up using Safari more and more. So far so good - seems nice. http://icab.de/ - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/17/10 10:29 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:33 AM -0700 7/16/2010, John Carmonne wrote: What I'm referring to is a disk that comes with a particular machine and when I try to install it tells me it can't work on this machine I know the system is all the same but you're stuck

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread John Carmonne
On Jul 18, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 7/17/10 10:29 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:33 AM -0700 7/16/2010, John Carmonne wrote: What I'm referring to is a disk that comes with a particular machine and when I try to install it tells me it can't work on this machine

ventrilo and g5 tower

2010-07-18 Thread flags
does anyone use venrilo with world of warcraft on a G5 tower? I'm having microphone problems to headset. I can seem to get sound out. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Doug McNutt
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html is the controlling document for the basics of internet email. (Some would claim that the real RTF is 822 which is formally approved and not still standards track. It's worth a read. Its also worth while to poke around on that site for general education.

Re: Disc Burning

2010-07-18 Thread Tina K.
Eric Herbert wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 17, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Tina K. wrote: IIRC, non-oem ODDs don't function with the iLife apps. At least I think it used to be that way, haven't heard it mentioned in a long time. I think there used to be a

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 12:22 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: AFAIK threre is no retail universal disc for Tiger Intel Tiger was compiled to run on intel only based machines so you can't run it on a non PPC machine. Same with Snow Leopard. Since it was compiled as an intel stack it won't run on

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 12:51 PM, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html is the controlling document for the basics of internet email. (Some would claim that the real RTF is 822 which is formally approved and not still standards track. It's worth a read. Its

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 2:09 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 7/18/10 12:22 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Tiger was compiled to run on PPC only based machines so you can't run it on a non PPC machine. Same with Snow Leopard. Since it was compiled as an intel stack it won't run

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On Jul 18, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 7/18/10 12:22 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: AFAIK threre is no retail universal disc for Tiger Intel Tiger was compiled to run on intel only based machines so you can't run it on a non PPC machine. I believe you meant PPC

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread John Carmonne
On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 7/18/10 12:22 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: AFAIK threre is no retail universal disc for Tiger Intel Tiger was compiled to run on intel only based machines so you can't run

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Fabian Fang
On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Tiger was compiled to run on PPC only based machines so you can't run it on a non PPC machine. However, The first Intel iMacs came pre-installed with Tiger (OS 10.4.4): http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_cd_1.83_17.html

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Tina K.
Kyle Hansen wrote: Sorry. Mistyped that last one. To follow up on my message, I was thinking of Leopard. Too many felines… Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The

Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread John Carmonne
Hi all I have a PM G4 MDD and a PM G5 Dual 2.7. Ever since the last iTunes update neither machine will burn a CD in iTunes booted in Tiger, both work OK in Leopard. Anyone else with this problem? I've reinstalled many ways and still no cigar, funny though my TiBook G4 has no problem in Tiger

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread Eric Herbert
On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi all I have a PM G4 MDD and a PM G5 Dual 2.7. Ever since the last iTunes update neither machine will burn a CD in iTunes booted in Tiger, both work OK in Leopard. Anyone else with this problem? I've reinstalled many ways and still no

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread JOHN CARMONNE
On Jul 18, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Eric Herbert wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi all I have a PM G4 MDD and a PM G5 Dual 2.7. Ever since the last iTunes update neither machine will burn a CD in iTunes booted in Tiger, both work OK in Leopard. Anyone else with this

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Isaac Smith smith...@sprynet.com wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Mac: Quicksilver G4 OS: OS X 10.4.11 I bought a Targus Universal 32 in 1 card reader/writer It says for Macs you need OS X 10.1.2+ and a CD-ROM 24x (Mine: Model:

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Isaac Smith
Here is what System Profiler says Mass Storage Device: Version:1.00 Bus Power (mA): 100 Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec Manufacturer: Generic Product ID: 0x6366 Serial Number: 058F63666471 Vendor ID: 0x058f So it looks like System Profiler does see it.

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:40 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I have Pioneer drives, But they work properly in Leopard, The Tiger partitions are the problem. I read on Google of others complaining about iTunes latest update, But no answers from the mother ship. I think this has been answered already.

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread Eric Herbert
On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I think this has been answered already. For non-Apple OEM drives you need Patchburn for Tiger. It's nothing to do with the iTunes update, you need Patchburn to add support for all Apple applications including Disk Utility, iMovie, etc.

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Vendor ID: 0x058f When I Google 0x058f I immediately see Generic USB 2.0 cardreader which makes me think this device likely requires a USB 2.0 port to work? It would be worth the investment in a cheap USB 2.0 PCI card. Also, unless

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread John Carmonne
On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Eric Herbert wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I think this has been answered already. For non-Apple OEM drives you need Patchburn for Tiger. It's nothing to do with the iTunes update, you need Patchburn to add support for all Apple

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread Bill Connelly
On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:48 PM, John Carmonne wrote: That's not the problem here. His drives have been working fine WITHOUT Patchburn (many drives work flawlessly on Tiger without the use of PatchBurn) until the last iTunes update. It's something to do with the iTunes update itself,

Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Dan
At 12:22 PM -0700 7/18/2010, John Carmonne wrote: AFAIK threre is no retail universal disc for Tiger Intel on a MacBook or Mac Mini at ant price? Correct. Apple never released a universal Tiger. The Tiger retail kits are all PPC-only. The early x86 Macs came with machine-specific

Re: Latest iTunes update no burn?

2010-07-18 Thread John Carmonne
On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:48 PM, John Carmonne wrote: That's not the problem here. His drives have been working fine WITHOUT Patchburn (many drives work flawlessly on Tiger without the use of PatchBurn) until the last iTunes update. It's

Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread James Therrault
On Jul 18, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 7/17/10 3:10 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote: With due respect, seems to me that a steadfast insistence on plain text is dated and unrealistic. This is not up for debate. It has to due with the bandwidth that google allows

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, onelucent oneluc...@mac.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Also, once you get into SD cards, some higher capacity or higher speeds ones will require later, higher-capacity readers. On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: When I Google

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On Jul 18, 2010, at 10:45 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I plugged it into a 4 Port USB 2.0 Hub It is plugged into a 4 Port USB Hub (Model F5U014-OE) which is plugged into the tower. The ports on your G4 are USB 1.0 ports, so anything attached to them is by default USB 1.0. You need to buy a

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Clark Martin
On 7/18/10 6:56 PM, onelucent wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Also, once you get into SD cards, some higher capacity or higher speeds ones will require later, higher-capacity readers. In one case I encountered where this was a problem the 4Gb SD card showed up in the older card reader

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I bought a Targus Universal 32 in 1 card reader/writer It says for Macs you need OS X 10.1.2+ and a CD-ROM 24x Why would a 24x CD-ROM be a requirement for a USB 2.0 cardreader, this makes no sense. If you look at this page, it appears

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On 7/18/10 6:56 PM, onelucent wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Also, once you get into SD cards, some higher capacity or higher speeds ones will require later, higher-capacity readers. In one case I encountered

Re: Card Reader

2010-07-18 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I bought a Targus Universal 32 in 1 card reader/writer It says for Macs you need OS X 10.1.2+ and a CD-ROM 24x Why would a 24x CD-ROM be a requirement for a USB 2.0