At 12:50 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Kevin Barth wrote:
For those of you arguing that anyone's machine can display HTML and
styled text, that's not the point. One of the posts that triggered
this came through in huge blue letters on my system. In the past,
some posters have sent HTML that displayed
I opt to receive all my Lists in Digest Format.
If a post is in anything but plain text, it doesn't come through as a
readable.
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On 7/17/10 10:18 PM, Dan wrote:
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*snip*
Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL
SUPPORT, not pretty animated icon cutsie email chatty please pass the
nail polish.
That's a good one Dan, I'll have to remember that one.
I don't speak
Dan wrote:
HTML email is often done by hardcoding the font sizes. That means your
email will ALWAYS be unreadable to someone.
HTML email ONLY looks good if the receiver has the SAME type of mail
client you do. That means your email will ALWAYS be unreadable to someone.
I'm curious, how does
Yes it is Low End Mac as I have more than once pointed out in the
past/ But even low enders move on. My 9600 can handle HTML quite.
well. As for you on dial up I hope your city opts for whole access
wifi soon. Any techies here complaining about being billed per kb or
on dialup or slow connections
At 12:13 AM -0600 7/18/2010, Tina K. wrote:
Dan wrote:
HTML email is often done by hardcoding the font sizes. That means your
email will ALWAYS be unreadable to someone.
HTML email ONLY looks good if the receiver has the SAME type of mail
client you do. That means your email will ALWAYS be
At 12:38 PM + 7/18/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
As for you on dial up I hope your city opts for whole access wifi soon.
Not likely, as there are big movements at the state levels to ban
gov't owned/operated ISPs. The few towns that have rolled their own
service really put the
This is low end. Not belittling the low end nor those who struggle to
eke out a living. But complaining about such a trivial thing as this
and using bandwidth as a reason seems antiquated in 2010.
As far as a physical situation I am no mind reader and have no
idea of what you are talking about.
As for you on dial up I hope your city opts for whole access
wifi soon.
Note one important word in this sentence: city. Now, I've got high-speed
Internet and can download all the rich-text HTML stupidly-formatted email I
want to (although I still prefer plain text), but many of my friends
Folks, per the official Low End Mac Email List FAQs:
http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
Don't send styled text or HTML files; only send plain text. Styled text may
or may not come through as an attachment, but it is very difficult to read
with a plain text email client. Google
At 1:47 PM + 7/18/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
As to whether a techie should worry about HTML mail in terms of IP
cost and the strain on computer systems if you are teching for other
low enders be realistic, is the grief you are getting worth the grief
you are getting? IOW is it
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: plain text please
Metered service? Who has metered service? The UK? If that is the only
thing available that is what you go with but then why bother at all. A
phone call would be preferable. And hopefully the post
On Jul 18, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
Metered service? Who has metered service? The UK? If that is the only
thing available that is what you go with but then why bother at all. A
phone call would be preferable. And hopefully the post office is still
around.
Plenty of
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
Metered service? Who has metered service? The UK? If that is the only
thing available that is what you go with but then why bother at all. A
phone call would be preferable. And hopefully the post office is still
around.
Most of us in the UK are on ADSL or
Dan wrote:
Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL
SUPPORT, not pretty animated icon cutsie email chatty please pass the
nail polish.
I don't speak for the other techies on these lists... but wading thru
HTML-based emails, just like TOP POSTED and UNTRIMMED
Personally, I don't give a damn. What is annoying is over 100 messages debating
it eating my time and bandwidth.
Mikeal Palulis
Kallisti Medias
On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:36 AM, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote:
Dan wrote:
Remember that the purpose of these LEM mailing lists is TECHNICAL
At 11:52 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Nikki Wraith wrote:
What is annoying is over 100 messages debating it eating my time and
bandwidth.
43 messages, not 100.
- Dan.
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On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Dan wrote:
At 11:52 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Nikki Wraith wrote:
What is annoying is over 100 messages debating it eating my time
and bandwidth.
43 messages, not 100.
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On 7/17/10 3:10 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote:
With due respect, seems to me that a steadfast insistence on plain text is
dated and unrealistic.
This is not up for debate. It has to due with the bandwidth that google
allows our group etc. Plain text or leave the list. Sorry.
On 7/17/10 9:50 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote:
The fact that things have always been done this way has never been a
particularly compelling argument against change. To quite the Brady Bunch,
When it's time to change, then it's time to change.
Listen, the rule is there for a
On 7/18/10 9:33 AM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
List Nanny would you stop all this?
I just did. I will do it again.
THIS THREAD IS DEAD. DO NOT POST ON THIS TOPIC ANYMORE. FURTHER POSTS ON
THIS TOPIC MAY RESULT IN A TEMPORARY BAN FROM THE LIST.
This was the last thing I
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html is the controlling document for the
basics of internet email. (Some would claim that the real RTF is 822 which is
formally approved and not still standards track. It's worth a read. Its
also worth while to poke around on that site for general education.
On 7/18/10 12:51 PM, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com wrote:
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html is the controlling document for the
basics of internet email. (Some would claim that the real RTF is 822 which is
formally approved and not still standards track. It's worth a read. Its
On Jul 18, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
On 7/17/10 3:10 PM, Kevin Barth godai@gmail.com wrote:
With due respect, seems to me that a steadfast insistence on plain
text is dated and unrealistic.
This is not up for debate. It has to due with the bandwidth that
google allows
Sorry Kris if I offended you/the list... I didn't mean to. I know this
is a stupid question, but honestly I don't know the answer. Q: what is
plain text? and how do I make sure that I'm always using it? I thought
it was simply in a font everybody had (helvetica) and that there was/
is no
I think the apple is plain text. It shows up fine in Kris' (assumedly)
plain test reply.
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry Kris if I offended you/the list... I didn't mean to. I know this is a
stupid question, but honestly I don't know the answer. Q:
On Jul 17, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
Q: what is plain text?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_text
and how do I make sure that I'm always using it?
Mail.appPreferencesComposingComposing:Message Format:Plain Text
or
use MenuFormatMake Plain Text to change a single email
With due respect, seems to me that a steadfast insistence on plain text is
dated and unrealistic. Most people today are using email clients, either
online or localized, that are capable of accurately reproducing emails
encoded with fairly complex HTML markup. It's fast becoming the norm. PINE
At 17:27 -0400 7/17/10, Chance Reecher wrote:
Q: what is plain
text? and how do I make sure that I'm always using it? I thought it was
simply in a font everybody had (helvetica) and that there was/is no
pictures? evidently that apple is a picture? Jeff
It's getting more and more difficult
I hate to be that guy, but might I ask why we're being asked to cling to a
1970's server technology in the 2010s? HTML and Rich Text emails have pretty
well been the standard since at least the late 90s. Even freebie email
programs such as Yahoo and Hotmail have been HTML based for years. Is
Here is a bigger version of the Monster text Apple logo. No, it's not a
picture, it's just a bigger Apple logo.
Sent from my Power Mac G4 Sawtooth
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On 17 Jul 2010, at 14:27:05 PDT, Chance Reecher wrote:
I think the apple is plain text. It shows up fine in Kris' (assumedly)
plain test reply.
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Well, Plain Text traditionally refers to Low ASCII characters
and numbers (0-127). Anything else is likely to be non-standard
and can
JUST DON'T SEND HTML! Well, there are reasons for it but rarely, if at
all, on a mailing list that's for users of older machines.
Just because we're all users of older machines doesn't mean we use those
machines exclusively to read emails. And even if some of us do, so what?
My G3 is very
Well, Plain Text traditionally refers to Low ASCII characters
and numbers (0-127). Anything else is likely to be non-standard
and can produce unpredictable results on the receiving end of
an email (or any other internet transmitted file for that matter).
Ken
The aim at the LCD argument.
On Jul 17, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Kevin Barth wrote:
JUST DON'T SEND HTML! Well, there are reasons for it but rarely, if at all,
on a mailing list that's for users of older machines.
Just because we're all users of older machines doesn't mean we use those
machines exclusively to read
At 5:16 PM -0500 7/17/10, Eric Herbert wrote:
,,, reason that HTML and Rich Text are suddenly taboo?
Nothing sudden about it. List rules for LEM lists have always
required it http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml, try
reading them.
For those of you arguing that anyone's machine
On Jul 17, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Bob Whiton wrote:
Try being considerate of others, it works wonders.
point taken. Jeff (the guy that sent those nasty blue letters)
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An antiquated rule. Still on the books in Indiana
If it cannot be displayed on a Apple II we don't want is here. That's for sure.
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At 00:15 + 7/18/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
An antiquated rule. Still on the books in Indiana
If it cannot be displayed on a Apple II we don't want is here. That's for sure.
Since 1 July 2010 these are the content types on this list.
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5 multipart/mixed
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Some people on this list do not have a 10 Megabit connection. Some are
still on dial-up. Please be considerate of them.
Eric Herbert wrote:
I hate to be that guy, but might I ask why we're being asked to cling to a 1970's server
technology in the 2010s? HTML and Rich Text emails have
On Jul 17, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Bob Whiton wrote:
At 5:16 PM -0500 7/17/10, Eric Herbert wrote:
,,, reason that HTML and Rich Text are suddenly taboo?
Nothing sudden about it. List rules for LEM lists have always
required it http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml, try
reading
For those of you arguing that anyone's machine can display HTML and styled
text, that's not the point. One of the posts that triggered this came
through in huge blue letters on my system. In the past, some posters have
sent HTML that displayed as fine print only a lawyer could love. The
[HTML stripped, as necessary]
At 2:13 PM -0700 7/17/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
evidently that apple is a picture?
The Apple icon is present in SOME fonts, but not all. You cannot
guarantee such dingbats exist in the font the recipient is using.
The sender should consider that some emails
At 12:53 AM -0400 7/18/2010, Kevin Barth wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
Some people on this list do not have a 10 Megabit connection. Some
are still on dial-up. Please be considerate of them.
Moot point. Markup is not a strain on connection speed, as multiple
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