Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

Have any idea which cisco router would be the best one? I'm a bit new  
to all this stuff... I've been using apples stuff because it ease of  
use, but I like the "Lots of signal power- you can light up the whole  
neighborhood" thing:-) Jeff



On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Peter Kim wrote:

You can also setup some wireless routers as a bridge, through  
firmware settings.  A used wireless router is probably cheaper,  
though not as compact and neat.  Just out of speculation, 75 yards  
seems like a good distance to cover, for a consistent and reliable  
signal.  What happens when the wind blows?  You should use your  
current express to test this out.  You might need to spend some  
money on a nice Cisco wireless router? Lots of signal power- you can  
light up the whole neighborhood.





On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle   
wrote:



On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

On 3/5/10 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station
mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some kind  
of
antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it  
into?

I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers (G5 &
G4 mdd). TIA Jeff

Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the
other mobile home. Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help.
Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering
how far away she is. You might look into setting up an Airport Express
as a WDS relay at her end. With your Extreme and her Express both
mounted near windows so they have a good line of sight connection it
ought to work pretty well.

Well, for one, there is at least 2 mobile homes between us so "line of
sight" is out of the question I think... It would be cool if there was
something that I could attach to the outside of the house up high that
would work like an airport express to extend the network I would
hate to use an airport express that way simply because it would
literally melt down in the summer months. thinking. Jeff

You could still try the Express.  To test it, put your Extreme in  
the window (the window will still help, even with other homes in the  
line of sight.  Then hold your niece's computer in the window to see  
how strong a signal you get.  If the reception is good then putting  
an Express in her window would relay from your Extreme to her laptop.


Apple's Airport Express is the only WDS relay I've used or even know  
about but there (must be) others out there.  The express uses only  
it's internal antennas.  But some other products likely allow for an  
external antenna.


Keep in mind that you want to minimize any antenna cable length, at  
2.4 GHz a cable eats up signal strength fast.  I have a WiFi antenna  
that, IIRC, has a gain of 9 dB but it's 4-5' cable looses about 3-4  
dB.


  Great information looks like an airport express is gonna be in  
the up coming budget:-) I have one already but airtunes is pigging  
it. Jeff



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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Peter Kim]

You can also setup some wireless routers as a bridge, through firmware
settings.  A used wireless router is probably cheaper, though not as compact
and neat.  Just out of speculation, 75 yards seems like a good distance to
cover, for a consistent and reliable signal.  What happens when the wind
blows?  You should use your current express to test this out.  You might
need to spend some money on a nice Cisco wireless router? Lots of signal
power- you can light up the whole neighborhood.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle  wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>  On 3/5/10 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

> So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
> there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station
> mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
> share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
> yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
> macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some kind of
> antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it into?
> I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers (G5 &
> G4 mdd). TIA Jeff
>

 Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the
 other mobile home. Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help.
 Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering
 how far away she is. You might look into setting up an Airport Express
 as a WDS relay at her end. With your Extreme and her Express both
 mounted near windows so they have a good line of sight connection it
 ought to work pretty well.

  Well, for one, there is at least 2 mobile homes between us so "line of
>>> sight" is out of the question I think... It would be cool if there was
>>> something that I could attach to the outside of the house up high that
>>> would work like an airport express to extend the network I would
>>> hate to use an airport express that way simply because it would
>>> literally melt down in the summer months. thinking. Jeff
>>>
>>>  You could still try the Express.  To test it, put your Extreme in the
>> window (the window will still help, even with other homes in the line of
>> sight.  Then hold your niece's computer in the window to see how strong a
>> signal you get.  If the reception is good then putting an Express in her
>> window would relay from your Extreme to her laptop.
>>
>> Apple's Airport Express is the only WDS relay I've used or even know about
>> but there (must be) others out there.  The express uses only it's internal
>> antennas.  But some other products likely allow for an external antenna.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you want to minimize any antenna cable length, at 2.4
>> GHz a cable eats up signal strength fast.  I have a WiFi antenna that, IIRC,
>> has a gain of 9 dB but it's 4-5' cable looses about 3-4 dB.
>>
>>Great information looks like an airport express is gonna be in the
> up coming budget:-) I have one already but airtunes is pigging it. Jeff
>
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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Peter Kim]

I remember trying to get 1.5 Mb/s DSL 7 years ago, through SBC, now AT&T, in
suburban Chicago.  I found out that I was too far away from the new optical
fiber install, and had to settle for 768/256Kbs- the houses across the
street could get up to 3 Mb/s.  Ugh, I can't believe we're still talking
about the same issues in this country- 7 years later.  I was eventually able
to get a 3 Mb/s line, now considered the middle package- but please, with
optical fiber that's theoretically equivalent to child's play.  Clear and
Sprint WiMax look pretty good at this point.



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Kasey Smith  wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:54:18 -0600, Dan  wrote:
>
>  At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
>>>
 we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a
 mile away can.

>>>
>>> The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when
>>> you may be eligible.
>>>
>>
>> The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length & quality of the
>> copper line.  Different DSLs work over different line lengths.  Plus, as
>> Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct route to the
>> nearest DSLAM or CO.  Then there's the quality of the line: if your line is
>> old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not even come close to supporting
>> decent speeds.
>>
>
> The old lines thing might be our problem too, the house is nearly 100 years
> old.
>
>
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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Re: Who's using my network?

[Clark Martin]

On 3/5/10 9:10 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

If you want to know how to detect a specific computer connecting you can
setup your niece's computer's MAC Address to obtain a specific IP from
your router connects and then just keep a continuous ping running on
that IP. When the pings start coming back then you'll know she's connected.


It won't however tell you what is happening.  Her laptop will respond to 
pings as long as it's awake.  I believe you wanted to know if she was 
actively using the Internet.  Routers will often report the data 
transferred so if you check that then do a refresh you can tell when a 
lot of data is moving.



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Re: Who's using my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

won't istumbler work this way? Jeff

On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

If you want to know how to detect a specific computer connecting you  
can setup your niece's computer's MAC Address to obtain a specific  
IP from your router connects and then just keep a continuous ping  
running on that IP. When the pings start coming back then you'll  
know she's connected.


Albert Carter
Reston, VA
Computer Consultant/Technician/Training

From: Clark Martin 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 12:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: Who's using my network?

On 3/5/10 8:56 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>
>>
>> Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard
>> 10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will
>> probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff
>
> Most WiFi routers have a section where they show connected devices  
in
> their configuration software, including Airport's . Wired devices  
are

> easy to find. Pick up the ethernet cable and follow
>

And if you have the MAC address you can use the first 3 number pairs
(prefix) to find the vendor of the Ethernet chip set.  Apple computers
almost always come up as Apple being the vendor.  Other brands are
harder to tell.

You can use either of these web pages to look up the MAC prefix.




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Re: Who's using my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

it is password protected it's my niece that's using it.
On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:



  If you are talking about a wireless network, why don't you just  
protect it with a password so no one else can use it without your  
permission??? The tech support people of the wireless router can  
walk you through setting one up!!!





-Original Message-

From: Jeffrey Engle 
Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:27 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Who's using my network?


Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff



Jeffrey Engle
Kamiah, Idaho 83536
macgu...@gmail.com



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Re: Who's using my network?

[Albert Carter]

If you want to know how to detect a specific computer connecting you can setup 
your niece's computer's MAC Address to obtain a specific IP from your router 
connects and then just keep a continuous ping running on that IP. When the 
pings start coming back then you'll know she's connected.

Albert Carter
Reston, VA
Computer Consultant/Technician/Training




From: Clark Martin 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 12:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: Who's using my network?

On 3/5/10 8:56 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>
>>
>> Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard
>> 10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will
>> probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff
>
> Most WiFi routers have a section where they show connected devices in
> their configuration software, including Airport's . Wired devices are
> easy to find. Pick up the ethernet cable and follow
>

And if you have the MAC address you can use the first 3 number pairs 
(prefix) to find the vendor of the Ethernet chip set.  Apple computers 
almost always come up as Apple being the vendor.  Other brands are 
harder to tell.

You can use either of these web pages to look up the MAC prefix.




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Re: Who's using my network?

[Clark Martin]

On 3/5/10 8:56 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:



Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff


Most WiFi routers have a section where they show connected devices in
their configuration software, including Airport's . Wired devices are
easy to find. Pick up the ethernet cable and follow



And if you have the MAC address you can use the first 3 number pairs 
(prefix) to find the vendor of the Ethernet chip set.  Apple computers 
almost always come up as Apple being the vendor.  Other brands are 
harder to tell.


You can use either of these web pages to look up the MAC prefix.




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Re: Who's using my network?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:



Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard  
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will  
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff


Most WiFi routers have a section where they show connected devices in  
their configuration software, including Airport's . Wired devices are  
easy to find. Pick up the ethernet cable and follow


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Re: Who's using my network?

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

> 
>   If you are talking about a wireless network, why don't you just protect it 
> with a password so no one else can use it without your permission??? The tech 
> support people of the wireless router can walk you through setting one up!!! 
> 
> 

Sounds like a spying scheme to me :-D
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Jeffrey Engle 
>> Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:27 PM
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Who's using my network?
>> 
>> 
>> Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard  
>> 10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will  
>> probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jeffrey Engle
>> Kamiah, Idaho 83536
>> macgu...@gmail.com

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: Who's using my network?

[Richard Gerome]

   If you are talking about a wireless network, why don't you just protect it 
with a password so no one else can use it without your permission??? The tech 
support people of the wireless router can walk you through setting one up!!! 




-Original Message-
>From: Jeffrey Engle 
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:27 PM
>To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Who's using my network?
>
>
>Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard  
>10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will  
>probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff
>
>
>
>Jeffrey Engle
>Kamiah, Idaho 83536
>macgu...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: Who's using my network?

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

actually what I wanted to do is merely "see" when my niece is  
surfing on her laptop so that I don't pig bandwidth downloading  
stuff etc. Jeff

On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Chance Reecher wrote:

If you know the IPs of the computers you have connected to the  
network, run Angry IP Scanner. It'll tell you the IP of any active  
devices in a given IP range.


Jeffrey Engle wrote:


Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard  
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will  
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff




My internet provider verizon dsl, has a browser page that gives who's  
connected. Input address is http://192.168.1.1 ... maybe yours has one?


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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Clark Martin wrote:


On 3/5/10 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:


On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Clark Martin wrote:


On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base  
Station

mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some  
kind of
antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it  
into?
I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers  
(G5 &

G4 mdd). TIA Jeff


Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the
other mobile home. Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help.
Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering
how far away she is. You might look into setting up an Airport  
Express

as a WDS relay at her end. With your Extreme and her Express both
mounted near windows so they have a good line of sight connection it
ought to work pretty well.

Well, for one, there is at least 2 mobile homes between us so "line  
of
sight" is out of the question I think... It would be cool if there  
was
something that I could attach to the outside of the house up high  
that

would work like an airport express to extend the network I would
hate to use an airport express that way simply because it would
literally melt down in the summer months. thinking. Jeff

You could still try the Express.  To test it, put your Extreme in  
the window (the window will still help, even with other homes in the  
line of sight.  Then hold your niece's computer in the window to see  
how strong a signal you get.  If the reception is good then putting  
an Express in her window would relay from your Extreme to her laptop.


Apple's Airport Express is the only WDS relay I've used or even know  
about but there (must be) others out there.  The express uses only  
it's internal antennas.  But some other products likely allow for an  
external antenna.


Keep in mind that you want to minimize any antenna cable length, at  
2.4 GHz a cable eats up signal strength fast.  I have a WiFi antenna  
that, IIRC, has a gain of 9 dB but it's 4-5' cable looses about 3-4  
dB.


   Great information looks like an airport express is gonna be in  
the up coming budget:-) I have one already but airtunes is pigging it.  
Jeff


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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Clark Martin]

On 3/5/10 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:


On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Clark Martin wrote:


On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station
mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some kind of
antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it into?
I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers (G5 &
G4 mdd). TIA Jeff


Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the
other mobile home. Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help.
Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering
how far away she is. You might look into setting up an Airport Express
as a WDS relay at her end. With your Extreme and her Express both
mounted near windows so they have a good line of sight connection it
ought to work pretty well.


Well, for one, there is at least 2 mobile homes between us so "line of
sight" is out of the question I think... It would be cool if there was
something that I could attach to the outside of the house up high that
would work like an airport express to extend the network I would
hate to use an airport express that way simply because it would
literally melt down in the summer months. thinking. Jeff

You could still try the Express.  To test it, put your Extreme in the 
window (the window will still help, even with other homes in the line of 
sight.  Then hold your niece's computer in the window to see how strong 
a signal you get.  If the reception is good then putting an Express in 
her window would relay from your Extreme to her laptop.


Apple's Airport Express is the only WDS relay I've used or even know 
about but there (must be) others out there.  The express uses only it's 
internal antennas.  But some other products likely allow for an external 
antenna.


Keep in mind that you want to minimize any antenna cable length, at 2.4 
GHz a cable eats up signal strength fast.  I have a WiFi antenna that, 
IIRC, has a gain of 9 dB but it's 4-5' cable looses about 3-4 dB.


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Re: Who's using my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

actually what I wanted to do is merely "see" when my niece is surfing  
on her laptop so that I don't pig bandwidth downloading stuff etc. Jeff

On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Chance Reecher wrote:

If you know the IPs of the computers you have connected to the  
network, run Angry IP Scanner. It'll tell you the IP of any active  
devices in a given IP range.


Jeffrey Engle wrote:


Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard  
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will  
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff




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Re: Who's using my network?

[Chance Reecher]

If you know the IPs of the computers you have connected to the network, 
run Angry IP Scanner. It'll tell you the IP of any active devices in a 
given IP range.


Jeffrey Engle wrote:


Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard 
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will 
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff




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Who's using my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard  
10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will  
probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff




Jeffrey Engle
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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Clark Martin wrote:


On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station
mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some  
kind of
antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it  
into?
I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers  
(G5 &

G4 mdd). TIA Jeff


Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the  
other mobile home.  Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help.  
Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering  
how far away she is.  You might look into setting up an Airport  
Express as a WDS relay at her end.  With your Extreme and her  
Express both mounted near windows so they have a good line of sight  
connection it ought to work pretty well.


Well, for one, there is at least 2 mobile homes between us so "line of  
sight" is out of the question I think... It would be cool if there was  
something that I could attach to the outside of the house up high that  
would work like an airport express to extend the network I would  
hate to use an airport express that way simply because it would  
literally melt down in the summer months. thinking. Jeff


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Kasey Smith]

On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:54:18 -0600, Dan  wrote:


At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote:

On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a  
mile away can.


The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when  
you may be eligible.


The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length & quality of the  
copper line.  Different DSLs work over different line lengths.  Plus, as  
Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct route to  
the nearest DSLAM or CO.  Then there's the quality of the line: if your  
line is old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not even come close to  
supporting decent speeds.


The old lines thing might be our problem too, the house is nearly 100  
years old.


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Dan]

At 7:12 PM -0600 3/5/2010, Kris Tilford wrote:

On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of 
a mile away can.


The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL 
when you may be eligible.


The issue is the type of DSL service, and the length & quality of the 
copper line.  Different DSLs work over different line lengths.  Plus, 
as Clark mentions, your copper might not necessarily take a direct 
route to the nearest DSLAM or CO.  Then there's the quality of the 
line: if your line is old, it's going to be noisy - so it might not 
even come close to supporting decent speeds.


Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are supposed to share 
their lines with other carriers & ISPs.


Except that the courts have been gutting the "line sharing" regulation.

It will be interesting to see if the upcoming "national broadband 
policy" includes it.  Then we'll have to see how things work out 
between Congress and the Courts, as the FCC's jurisdiction over the 
whole mess is questioned.


My take:  We'll screw this up by taking the low road that ensures the 
highest profit for the big telcos, and then we'll spend a few million 
bucks on a PR campaign to make us feel good about it.  We are number 
17!  hoowa!


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[John Musbach]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
>
>> we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a mile
>> away can.
>
> The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when you
> may be eligible.

They can also say you're eligible when you're not--like AT&T did for my family.

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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Clark Martin]

On 3/5/10 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is
there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station
mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to
share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75
yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her
macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some kind of
antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it into?
I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers (G5 &
G4 mdd). TIA Jeff


Can you mount the base station so it has a view out a window to the 
other mobile home.  Eliminating one metal wall would certainly help. 
Frankly she is getting a pretty strong signal right now considering how 
far away she is.  You might look into setting up an Airport Express as a 
WDS relay at her end.  With your Extreme and her Express both mounted 
near windows so they have a good line of sight connection it ought to 
work pretty well.


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Clark Martin]

On 3/5/10 5:12 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:


we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a
mile away can.


The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when
you may be eligible. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are
supposed to share their lines with other carriers & ISPs. A friend in
Portland, Oregon was a lifelong AOL user, and wanted to get AOL DSL. He
called AOL, and was told it wasn't available in his area, he was too far
from the junction. I think his phone company was Quest or something, but
he called them directly and asked if he could get their Quest DSL and
they said sure, no problem. He caused a minor stink because of this, but
eventually was able to get his AOL DSL setup and it worked perfectly.
You may have the same scenario with the people 1/4 mile away that are
getting DSL and you can't? It may be your choice of ISPs, and the phone
company acts as a "gatekeeper" and closes the gate for anyone except
themselves.



It can also vary widely depending on just how the copper is routed.  The 
people 1/4 mile away may have a straight shot to the central office. 
Your copper MIGHT be going away from the CO to get to a junction box 
before it starts heading to the CO.


When I first had DSL installed the phone company had to make several 
service calls to get it done, each time kicking up to the next tier of 
service people.  At the time they were so busy the local company 
(PacBell, SBC, whoever they were at the time) was bringing in crews from 
around the country to do the work.  They were having trouble finding a 
pair to run from the local box to my service entrance.  I already had a 
second phone line that was going to carry the DSL service.  But what was 
working well enough for voice and modem didn't seem to be cutting it for 
DSL.  It turned out the "pair" was somehow wired via one wire each of 
two pairs.  The local service guy didn't think much of the work by the 
out of town guys.


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Re: Answers to questions about "Help with Follow up

[Wm. Arnold]

--- On Fri, 3/5/10, Kris Tilford  wrote:

> From: Kris Tilford 
> Subject: Re: Answers to questions about "Help with Powerbook"
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 5:43 PM
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Wm.
> Arnold wrote:
> 
> > Here are answers to your questions about my Powerbook
> > that doesn't display image of CD on screen.
> > Might it be necessary to install a driver for DVD
> drive?
> > 
> > John:
> > I put a CD in DVD drive several times, no display
> although
> > I can hear it being accessed.
> > The Operating System was installed using my original
> Tiger disks.
> > These disks showed on screen during this install
> > but do not now.
> > 
> > 
> > Dan:
> > The ATA buss shows : DVD-Rom DRN-8080B.
> > No Errors in Console or System Logs.
> 
> William,
> 
> You don't seem to understand the problem. The Pismo's video
> card has a hardware DVD CSS (Content Scrambling System)
> which is only supported in OS 9. There is no support for
> commercial movie DVD's under OS X, so no commercial DVD that
> uses CSS will be recognized in OS X. There is a work-around,
> which is to use an application such as VLC that descrambles
> using software. The problem is that software descrambling
> taxes the CPU and most G3's are incapable of playing the
> resulting video smoothly. If you must play the DVD, the best
> solution is to boot OS 9.
 

Sorry Kris for my sins, but am not an experienced user of this 
fine medium.
I look at g3-5 mail every day but seldom send mail.

I am only trying to use CD or DVD that have data, no video ever.
My confusion is that the computer showed my Tiger program disk
on screen & allowed me to load the program but won't show the
same disk on screen now.
Regards
Wm.

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Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

[Jeffrey Engle]

So, here's the deal.. I'd like very much to "extend" my network. Is  
there a way to do this? I use a current Airport Extreme Base Station  
mounted high on my wall inside my 14x55 mobile home and I'd like to  
share my internet with my niece who lives in another mobile home 75  
yards give or take away... currently she gets about 2 bars on her  
macbook. Is there a way of getting her 4 bars? by mounting some kind  
of antenna on the outside of the house? if so, where would I plug it  
into? I need my wifi to be completely independent of my home computers  
(G5 & G4 mdd). TIA  Jeff 


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Kasey Smith]

Well, im glad i dont have DSL anyway, my download is only half as fast as  
DSL (it has 768, i have 512k) but my upload is twice as fast (256k vs  
512k) so I'm happy :D


On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:12:33 -0600, Kris Tilford  wrote:


On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:

we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of a  
mile away can.


The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when  
you may be eligible. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies are  
supposed to share their lines with other carriers & ISPs. A friend in  
Portland, Oregon was a lifelong AOL user, and wanted to get AOL DSL. He  
called AOL, and was told it wasn't available in his area, he was too far  
from the junction. I think his phone company was Quest or something, but  
he called them directly and asked if he could get their Quest DSL and  
they said sure, no problem. He caused a minor stink because of this, but  
eventually was able to get his AOL DSL setup and it worked perfectly.  
You may have the same scenario with the people 1/4 mile away that are  
getting DSL and you can't? It may be your choice of ISPs, and the phone  
company acts as a "gatekeeper" and closes the gate for anyone except  
themselves.





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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:

we can't get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter of  
a mile away can.


The phone companies can tell you that you're not eligible for DSL when  
you may be eligible. Under common carrier laws, the phone companies  
are supposed to share their lines with other carriers & ISPs. A friend  
in Portland, Oregon was a lifelong AOL user, and wanted to get AOL  
DSL. He called AOL, and was told it wasn't available in his area, he  
was too far from the junction. I think his phone company was Quest or  
something, but he called them directly and asked if he could get their  
Quest DSL and they said sure, no problem. He caused a minor stink  
because of this, but eventually was able to get his AOL DSL setup and  
it worked perfectly. You may have the same scenario with the people  
1/4 mile away that are getting DSL and you can't? It may be your  
choice of ISPs, and the phone company acts as a "gatekeeper" and  
closes the gate for anyone except themselves.


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Kasey Smith]

Our Internet here in rural Idaho is symmetrical. Its our local ISP's  
wireless service, the DSL here is asymmetrical though, but that doesn't  
matter as we cant get DSL at our house, but people no more than a quarter  
of a mile away can.


On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:22:11 -0600, Dan  wrote:


At 2:23 PM -0800 3/4/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to keep  
the licensee's pockets heavier.


Nothing to do with the FCC.

This is because the older copper and coax based technologies are  
asymmetrical -- higher bandwidth in one direction and much lower in the  
other.  This has traditionally been "ok" for residential service  
because, until p2p and such, most customers didn't need to upload much  
data.  eg:  V.90 dialup, ADSL, DOCSIS 1 & 2 (coax).  The ISPs reserved  
symmetrical services, which cost *much* more to maintain, for their  
business-grade customers.  eg: SDSL.


Newer technologies are changing all this.  FTTH (Fiber to the Home) is a  
symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the repeaters,  
routers, and backhaul.  And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher upstream, so it  
can be configured to seem symmetrical.


Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant  
dose of consumer and political stupidity.


- Dan.



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Re: Answers to questions about "Help with Powerbook"

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote:


Here are answers to your questions about my Powerbook
that doesn't display image of CD on screen.
Might it be necessary to install a driver for DVD drive?

John:
I put a CD in DVD drive several times, no display although
I can hear it being accessed.
The Operating System was installed using my original Tiger disks.
These disks showed on screen during this install
but do not now.


Dan:
The ATA buss shows : DVD-Rom DRN-8080B.
No Errors in Console or System Logs.


William,

You don't seem to understand the problem. The Pismo's video card has a  
hardware DVD CSS (Content Scrambling System) which is only supported  
in OS 9. There is no support for commercial movie DVD's under OS X, so  
no commercial DVD that uses CSS will be recognized in OS X. There is a  
work-around, which is to use an application such as VLC that  
descrambles using software. The problem is that software descrambling  
taxes the CPU and most G3's are incapable of playing the resulting  
video smoothly. If you must play the DVD, the best solution is to boot  
OS 9.


Also, you reverse-hijacked your own thread by starting a new thread  
with the same topic. Your original thread was "Need Help with  
Powerbook". Under Google's threading system, which tracks replies  
independent of Subject line, you could have changed the Subject to  
"Answers to questions about 'Help with Powerbook'" and the correct  
thread would have been maintained. Instead, you started a completely  
new thread, which lost the original thread. In the future, if the  
original thread topic is still valid, don't start a new thread, just  
change the Subject line.


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Re: Answers to questions about "Help with Powerbook"

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:43 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> 
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote:
> 
>> Here are answers to your questions about my Powerbook 
>> that doesn't display image of CD on screen. 
>> Might it be necessary to install a driver for DVD drive?
>> 
>> John:
>> I put a CD in DVD drive several times, no display although 
>> I can hear it being accessed.
>> The Operating System was installed using my original Tiger disks.
>> These disks showed on screen during this install
>> but do not now.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan:
>> The ATA buss shows : DVD-Rom DRN-8080B.
>> No Errors in Console or System Logs.
>> Thanks
>> Wm.
>> 
> Do you have an external FW  DVD drive to test it with? I have to use a FW 
> external drive on my Wally  to read DVDs.
> 


Correction the DVDs I'm talking about are data not movies.


John Carmonne
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Re: Answers to questions about "Help with Powerbook"

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote:

> Here are answers to your questions about my Powerbook 
> that doesn't display image of CD on screen. 
> Might it be necessary to install a driver for DVD drive?
> 
> John:
> I put a CD in DVD drive several times, no display although 
> I can hear it being accessed.
> The Operating System was installed using my original Tiger disks.
> These disks showed on screen during this install
> but do not now.
> 
> 
> Dan:
> The ATA buss shows : DVD-Rom DRN-8080B.
> No Errors in Console or System Logs.
> Thanks
> Wm.
> 
Do you have an external FW  DVD drive to test it with? I have to use a FW 
external drive on my Wally  to read DVDs.

John Carmonne
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Answers to questions about "Help with Powerbook"

[Wm. Arnold]

Here are answers to your questions about my Powerbook 
that doesn't display image of CD on screen. 
Might it be necessary to install a driver for DVD drive?

John:
I put a CD in DVD drive several times, no display although 
I can hear it being accessed.
The Operating System was installed using my original Tiger disks.
These disks showed on screen during this install
but do not now.


Dan:
The ATA buss shows : DVD-Rom DRN-8080B.
No Errors in Console or System Logs.
Thanks
Wm.

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Re: Printer recommendation?

[Clark Martin]

On 3/5/10 12:40 PM, t...@io.com wrote:


There you go giving me helpful advice (thank you!) when it's been a
few weeks since I tried this.   However, IIRC, my DNS server (provided
by my router) assigned the IP address.   I was able to log into the
router and find the printer in the list of IP assignments, I think.
Which implies that ethernet is working at some level.


Not DNS, SoHo Routers provide DHCP which hands out IP addresses from a 
pool.


DNS (Domain Name Service) is the server that looks up domain names (ie. 
www.lowendmac.com) and turns it into an numeric IP address.  Routers 
don't generally have a DNS server but they do frequently pass DNS 
requests on to the ISP's server.





Is the IP address in your local address space? This is very important,
because if it's not, you can't get to it, and none of the following
things will work. If this is the case, tell me what the subnet mask


If the IP address the printer has did indeed show up in the list of DHCP 
assigned addresses then it should certainly be in the local subnet and 
therefore be accessable to you.





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Re: Printer recommendation?

[t...@io.com]

On Mar 4, 7:34 pm, Clark Martin  wrote:

> We had two 4MVs that lasted for 10+ years with moderately heavy use.
>
> Additionally IIRC for postscript you needed more than the base memory
> (8Mb?).

For those who aren't familiar with it, the 4MV is the printer in HP's
family of Laserjet 4s which prints on ledger sized (11 X 17) paper.
They're very nice.  They also have an option for an internal hard
drive.  However, there is no duplex option available for the 4MV as
there is for the 4M, 4M Plus, etc.  The Laserjet 4 family used
standard 72 pin SIMMs for memory expansion, although I think the PID
pins may have been required.

HP claimed that one needed to use only HP brand memory, but I remember
purchasing a...darn, memory fault, their expensive desktop ink jet
printer at the time.  Something like Paintjet 300XL maybe?   Anyway,
the HP memory we purchased for it did not work at all.  Some other
SIMMs we had laying around worked perfectly.  Gave me a giggle at the
time since they were always so adamant about buying their several
times more expensive memory.

> > While it's true that color laser printers have four toner cartridges
> > and it is expensive to replace all four, if you primarily print in
> > black, then you only need to replace the black cartridge frequently.
> > So, assuming similarly priced toner cartridges, the color laser is no
> > more expensive to operate for simple black printing.
>
> Watch the consumables.  Even the black toner carts for color printers
> can be pricey.

Yes, my phrase, "assuming similarly priced toner cartridges" is,
perhaps, under-emphasized.  Most of the nice color laser printers I've
looked at seem to charge about $80 for the black cartridge.  The MRP
on toner cartridges for black-only laser printers is usually in that
ball park, but with discounts and such, one can often pay less, at
least after the printer has been on the market a while.
Remanufactured cartridges for my 2100 are down around $30 - $40 now.
Still, when it runs out of toner next time, I'm not sure it will be
worth keeping it, when I could print on the C170N at a slightly higher
cost.


Jeff Walther

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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[John Musbach]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:21 PM, nestamicky  wrote:
> This nonsense, in America, in 2010...WTF?

Yeah well, America is no longer the land of the free and
prosperous--it's corporate America. Corporations drive America's
"innovations", it's for this same reason that we're never going to see
health care reform in America while other nations will. Ultimately I
think this will be our downfall, corporations will hinder our ability
to innovate so much in the future that in comparison to the
innovations occurring in other nations we will eventually fall into
3rd world status. It's a very sad state of affairs, but I just don't
see any easy way to resolve this issue...such is life.

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Re: Printer recommendation?

[t...@io.com]

On Mar 5, 11:08 am, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:22 AM, t...@io.com wrote:

> > Bruce, do you have ethernet Jetdirect cards in those 2100s?   I guess
> > the TN comes with one.  I ask because I picked up a J3111A card and I
> > can't get the ethernet port to work.

> How was the address set?

There you go giving me helpful advice (thank you!) when it's been a
few weeks since I tried this.   However, IIRC, my DNS server (provided
by my router) assigned the IP address.   I was able to log into the
router and find the printer in the list of IP assignments, I think.
Which implies that ethernet is working at some level.

> Is the IP address in your local address space? This is very important,
> because if it's not, you can't get to it, and none of the following
> things will work. If this is the case, tell me what the subnet mask

I will have to work my way through this list after I'm home.

Thank you!   That's wonderful helpful advice in easy to follow format.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[nestamicky]

On 3/5/2010 12:47 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Look how the ISPs went ballistic over cities threatening to set up 
their own WiFi broadband...they spent millions buying state 
legislatures to ban the practice. 
And that is perhaps a great example of how amassing personal/business 
profit is retarding technological progress in the U.S. Think, for a 
moment, what it would have meant for other industries if cities had been 
able to set up their own WiFi broadband.


Think, for a second, what technological development that could have come 
from that. Think, for a mega second, what that would have meant for the 
ordinary folks who don't have the wherewithal, courage or money to fight 
the greedy bast* who're draining their pockets from hard earned cash 
while providing them inferior products and services.


And finally, think, or imagine, for a brief moment that where it not for 
the ghastly business of greed, spiced with political insanity and 
impotency, those living in the boondocks themselves may now enjoying the 
virtues of the internet which ever way they see fit, unencumbered by 
such absurd explanations offered by ISPs: "sorry, we can't get you on 
our network because our closest box is too far from your house." Or, 
"you have way too many trees around your house, our signal can't reach 
your house."


This nonsense, in America, in 2010...WTF? You know what, let me just 
quit talking about this now.


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Re: MDD DP 1GHZ Issues

[Jonas Ulrich]

I verified all the drives, one needed repair, repaired it, ran applejack,
zapped the pram, and reset-nvram, and reset-all. Seems to be working great!
Thanks everyone!

-Jonas

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:43 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:

>
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> >
> >> CORRECTION: It was an air BLOWER not a compressor. My bad. I also
> reseated
> >> all the ram and everything else. Literally everything else.
> >
> > Then run memtest for a long time, like overnight. That should catch any
> flaky RAM.
> >
> > --
>
>
> FWIW  I recently had those same problems and after a system reinstall it
> turned out to be my hard drive, the machine is a G4 MDD Dual 1.25.
>
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
>
>
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RE: Update firmware

[Stewie de Young]

> 
> OK, I have a G4 and a new used main board. The firmware on it is 4.18 
> and I need to update it to 4.28 or what ever the latest is. I have 
> formatted one of my hard drives to 9.2.1 so I can do this. However the 
> power button does not work. According to the directions I need to use 
> this button during the process. I have asked several times, where does 
> the power button store the settings? I have used the apple tech bulletin 
> many times to reset the power button to no effect. I ask again, is my 
> power supply the problem? I have tried 3 new batteries as well.
> Thanks

So which G4 is it ? Some like my Sawtooth and DA have the programmers buttons 
on the front - later G4s like my MDD don't.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068
I've updated firmware on quite a few older G4s and using the directions 
provided and the correct firmware version have always been able to make it work.
You don't use the power button for this - only to turn the machine back on, but 
you must use the programmers button at the same time.
This flashes the motherboard and I presume the onboard Rom chip that stores 
settings like this.
You are booting from OS9 on one of your internal HDs aren't you to do this?

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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Dan wrote:


At 10:57 AM -0700 3/5/2010, nestamicky wrote:
Most people in Japan, for example, would think it insane that  
people are still paying for dial-up, in 2010, in the US. What are  
we thinking?


We happen to give corporate profits higher moral/ethical value than  
any sort of consumer or national interests.


Here, let me fix it for yah:

We happen to give *some* corporate profits higher moral/ethical value  
than any sort of consumer or national interests.


I'm sure there's a lot of companies out there who would prosper from  
better, faster and more widespread true high-speed internet out there.  
Why they don't use their own lobbying clout to fight this, I don't know.


Look how the ISPs went ballistic over cities threatening to set up  
their own WiFi broadband...they spent millions buying state  
legislatures to ban the practice.


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Re: SBG900

[John Musbach]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:19 AM, smac0031  wrote:
> I can go out on the web fine. Gmail doesn't work and my Tivo says
> something about getting an open port.

What do you mean "gmail doesn't work"? Are you trying to use it
through a web browser or via a email client? If you're trying to use
it via a email client are you sure you configured your account
properly in that client? For instructions on how to setup your client
to access your Gmail account using POP go here:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?hl=en&topic=12912 and
select the link for your desired client, likewise IMAP instructions
for your client can be had here:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?hl=en&topic=12913. Good
luck!


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Dan]

At 10:57 AM -0700 3/5/2010, nestamicky wrote:
Most people in Japan, for example, would think it insane that people 
are still paying for dial-up, in 2010, in the US. What are we 
thinking?


We happen to give corporate profits higher moral/ethical value than 
any sort of consumer or national interests.



Stifling progress to satisfy greed is indeed ghastly.


*shrug*

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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Peter Kim]

I have not priced Ethernet routers recently, but I paid a similar amount for
my Asante many years ago and still use it. I've seen many of my friends'
cheap Linksys routers get trashed since, so you get what you pay for. If
you're concerned about speed, run the ethernet cable, or get a wireless
bridge, like those used by console gamers. An Airport Express would work,
but some older routers can be setup as bridges.  A used one should be cheap.

On Mar 2, 2010 7:40 AM, "icanswing"  wrote:

Hi list,
I have a new imac.  Now I want to set up my G4 in another room.  My G4
doesn't have an airport card and I don't believe it would work anyway cause
the new imac has airport extreme and the G4's airport card is just an
airport.   I was told by maczones that I should use a router and they
suggested Netgear RP614NA Platinum 4port cable dsl router.

Does this sound correct?  The router is about $50.00.  Everything is so
expensive

Thanks
Paula

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Re: Setup Mac Mini G4 as print/fax server

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:31 AM, John Musbach wrote:

The Fax stuff is in 10.5 as well; it's the lack of a modem that  
keeps your

MBP from showing the menu.


Aha, that must be why I can't recall ever seeing that option in recent
years. Great to know that Mac OS X still has that functionality, could
be handy for a impromptu fax machine should I ever need one rather
than falling back on paying monthly fees for a email fax service I'll
hardly ever use.


For road warrior types it's a pretty useful tool to have, because no  
matter where you go, odds are they still have a fax machine.


Hotel or business fax machine == instant printer, if you need hard  
copy (like for contracts and such)


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Re: Setup Mac Mini G4 as print/fax server

[John Musbach]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
>
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>>
>> There is Mac OS X.  In Tiger on my Pismo the Print & Fax System Preference
>> pane has a tab for Faxing.  In Leopard on my MacBook Pro (no modem) there is
>> no sign of Fax with in the pane.  In Tiger you can set it to "Receive faxes
>> on this computer".  You can set it up to save, e-mail and/or print the
>> incoming faxes.  I expect you can also send faxes from the print window.
>
> The Fax stuff is in 10.5 as well; it's the lack of a modem that keeps your
> MBP from showing the menu.

Aha, that must be why I can't recall ever seeing that option in recent
years. Great to know that Mac OS X still has that functionality, could
be handy for a impromptu fax machine should I ever need one rather
than falling back on paying monthly fees for a email fax service I'll
hardly ever use.


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Re: Setup Mac Mini G4 as print/fax server

[Carmonne]

In a message dated 3/5/10 8:03:10 AM, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu writes:


> 
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
> 
> >
> > There is Mac OS X.  In Tiger on my Pismo the Print & Fax System 
> > Preference pane has a tab for Faxing.  In Leopard on my MacBook Pro 
> > (no modem) there is no sign of Fax with in the pane.  In Tiger you 
> > can set it to "Receive faxes on this computer".  You can set it up 
> > to save, e-mail and/or print the incoming faxes.  I expect you can 
> > also send faxes from the print window.
> 
> The Fax stuff is in 10.5 as well; it's the lack of a modem that keeps 
> your MBP from showing the menu.
> 
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> Well stated I totally forgot about my little USB modem:D   Fax Stuff Pro is 
a real easy to use and set up.
John Carmonne
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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[nestamicky]

On 3/5/2010 10:31 AM, Dan wrote:
Multi-dwelling units are a whole other ball of wax; a magnitude beyond 
political stupidity.  Landlords like to extort service providers, make 
them pay for access, er a give kickbacks, etc.  It ain't pretty, and 
all it does is cost the consumers more and more. 
And all this brings us to a point I made earlier: that technological 
shifts, particularly with the internet, are limited severely in the US 
compared to other countries where access to the internet are superior to 
the services customers are made to pay in the US. Most people in Japan, 
for example, would think it insane that people are still paying for 
dial-up, in 2010, in the US. What are we thinking? In 2006 a friend from 
the UK told me that he came to California and was shocked with the 
limited options available for his 3G wireless phone. Stifling progress 
to satisfy greed is indeed ghastly.


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Dan]

At 12:14 PM -0500 3/5/2010, carmo...@aol.com wrote:

Newer technologies are changing all this.  FTTH (Fiber to the Home)
is a symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the
repeaters, routers, and backhaul.  And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher
upstream, so it can be configured to seem symmetrical.

Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant
dose of consumer and political stupidity.


My condo complex has fiber but maybe Time Warner is holding out?


Multi-dwelling units are a whole other ball of wax; a magnitude 
beyond political stupidity.  Landlords like to extort service 
providers, make them pay for access, er a give kickbacks, etc.  It 
ain't pretty, and all it does is cost the consumers more and more.


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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Carmonne]

In a message dated 3/5/10 7:22:17 AM, dantear...@gmail.com writes:


> At 2:23 PM -0800 3/4/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
> >Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to
> >keep the licensee's pockets heavier.
> 
> Nothing to do with the FCC.
> 
> This is because the older copper and coax based technologies are
> asymmetrical -- higher bandwidth in one direction and much lower in
> the other.  This has traditionally been "ok" for residential service
> because, until p2p and such, most customers didn't need to upload
> much data.  eg:  V.90 dialup, ADSL, DOCSIS 1 & 2 (coax).  The ISPs
> reserved symmetrical services, which cost *much* more to maintain,
> for their business-grade customers.  eg: SDSL.
> 
> Newer technologies are changing all this.  FTTH (Fiber to the Home)
> is a symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the
> repeaters, routers, and backhaul.  And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher
> upstream, so it can be configured to seem symmetrical.
> 
> Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant
> dose of consumer and political stupidity.
> 
> - Dan.
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> 
> My condo complex has fiber but maybe Time Warner is holding out?
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Re: Printer recommendation?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:22 AM, t...@io.com wrote:




On Mar 4, 2:18 pm, Bruce Johnson  wrote:


The 2100TN is a stellar performer...we have one as our shop printer,
rarely have issues with it, never an issue that a restart doesn't  
fix.


Bruce, do you have ethernet Jetdirect cards in those 2100s?   I guess
the TN comes with one.  I ask because I picked up a J3111A card and I
can't get the ethernet port to work.  The J3111A is the one with a
LocalTalk port, ethernet port and BNC port.  The LocalTalk port on the
card works (kind of pointless, since the 2100 has a built-in LocalTalk
port) and the status page claims there's an IP address there, but the
thing just does not show up as an available printer when I connect it
via ethernet.

Do you think it's possible that the J3111A has the Asante problem of
not playing nice with network hardware that supports speeds higher
than 10 Mbps?  Of course it could just be a bad card.


How was the address set?

Is the IP address in your local address space? This is very important,  
because if it's not, you can't get to it, and none of the following  
things will work. If this is the case, tell me what the subnet mask


If so, can you ping it?

If so try telnetting to it via terminal:

telnet nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn

where nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn is the IP address.

you should see something like this: (I've put in [redacted] where  
there is private info)


--
dbdev2:~ johnson$ telnet [redacted]
Trying [IP address]...

Connected to [redacted]
Escape character is '^]'.

HP JetDirect

Password: [redacted]

You are logged in

Please type "?" for HELP, or "/" for current settings
>
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If you CAN get in, then there's things to check, like is Ethertalk  
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Re: Cordless Keyboard/Mouse Recommendations

[Wm. Arnold]

Hi Albert,
I have been using a Kensington for several years & even tho it is 
"UG made in china" it has worked very well.
Wm.

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> is running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Server. 
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Update firmware

[Norm Rowe]

OK, I have a G4 and a new used main board. The firmware on it is 4.18 
and I need to update it to 4.28 or what ever the latest is. I have 
formatted one of my hard drives to 9.2.1 so I can do this. However the 
power button does not work. According to the directions I need to use 
this button during the process. I have asked several times, where does 
the power button store the settings? I have used the apple tech bulletin 
many times to reset the power button to no effect. I ask again, is my 
power supply the problem? I have tried 3 new batteries as well.

Thanks

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Re: Printer recommendation?

[t...@io.com]

On Mar 4, 2:18 pm, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> The 2100TN is a stellar performer...we have one as our shop printer,
> rarely have issues with it, never an issue that a restart doesn't fix.

Bruce, do you have ethernet Jetdirect cards in those 2100s?   I guess
the TN comes with one.  I ask because I picked up a J3111A card and I
can't get the ethernet port to work.  The J3111A is the one with a
LocalTalk port, ethernet port and BNC port.  The LocalTalk port on the
card works (kind of pointless, since the 2100 has a built-in LocalTalk
port) and the status page claims there's an IP address there, but the
thing just does not show up as an available printer when I connect it
via ethernet.

Do you think it's possible that the J3111A has the Asante problem of
not playing nice with network hardware that supports speeds higher
than 10 Mbps?  Of course it could just be a bad card.

Jeff Walther

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Re: [Manager Comment] Re: G4 MacBook

[iJohn]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Fabian Fang  wrote:
> This OT thread seems to be getting weirder and weirder.  First of all, there
> are no G4 MacBooks.  Secondly, all MacBooks have SATA drives.  Please move
> further suggestions about acquisition and enhancement of MacBooks to our
> MacBook Group

The OP also stated it was "5 years old" which if true seems to rule
out a MacBook, no? I believe the MacBook was introduced in November,
2006 which is less than 4 1/2 years ago.

Then again, perhaps the OP was just rounding up?

I would paraphrase what I think is your intent as "If this is about a
G4 laptop, then clarify this by providing more info about which model
it is. But if it *is* about a MacBook, then move the discussion to the
MacBook list." Am I close?

-irrational john

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Re: G4 MacBook

[iJohn]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:59 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:
>
> I got a MacBook Intel 13" for a friends daughter on Christmas
> for $600.00 and an extra $60.00 on eBay. I put in 2GB Ram and a
> 120GB HDD. And Snow Leopard, now to me that's a deal.
>

Out of curiosity, which flavor of MacBook? (What model year is it? Is
it Core 2 Duo?)

What condition was the battery in? (How "usable" was it?)

Did it come with the original install media?

(Just the some of the things I automatically wonder about when I see
the phrase "on eBay".  Oh, and what was the "extra" $60 for? I
hope it wasn't what they charged you for shipping!)

-irrational john

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Re: Printer recommendation?

[t...@io.com]

On Mar 5, 12:31 am, John Musbach  wrote:
> On 3/4/10, Tom  wrote:
>
> > None of my old
> > Laserjets has a USB port; you're stuck with serial ports on these old
> > beasts, so you have to use a serial-to-USB adapter cable, available
> > from places like Radio Shack, Best Buy, etc. for around $20 when I
> > last looked.
>
> Maybe they don't have USB but they can have the next best thing,
> Ethernet, with a jetdirect card.

:-)  That's not next best, that's far superior to USB.   True
networkability rather than being tethered to a desktop.  Network
connectivity is a requirement for any printer in my house, from the
old Imagewriter II to the new Kyocera C170N.

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Re: Setup Mac Mini G4 as print/fax server

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



There is Mac OS X.  In Tiger on my Pismo the Print & Fax System  
Preference pane has a tab for Faxing.  In Leopard on my MacBook Pro  
(no modem) there is no sign of Fax with in the pane.  In Tiger you  
can set it to "Receive faxes on this computer".  You can set it up  
to save, e-mail and/or print the incoming faxes.  I expect you can  
also send faxes from the print window.


The Fax stuff is in 10.5 as well; it's the lack of a modem that keeps  
your MBP from showing the menu.


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Re: Printer recommendation?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 4, 2010, at 11:31 PM, John Musbach wrote:



Maybe they don't have USB but they can have the next best thing,
Ethernet, with a jetdirect card.




Not the 6MP's, the 'P' is HP's designation for their low end desktops,  
for those you need an external Jetdirect or other parallel-10-Base-T  
print server.


That said, the 6P series was another winner for HP; we have a bunch of  
them still kicking around here.


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Re: G4 MacBook

[Dan]

At 6:17 AM -0500 3/5/2010, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
My daughter is complaining that her 5 year old MacBook is running 
slowly.  OS 10.4.11


Is this a PowerBook G4 or an intel-based MacBook?

How much memory?

How much free space on the HD?

In what way, *exactly* is the laptop running slowly?


I ran Disk Warrior on the HD and it found no issues that needed fixing.


What did Disk Utility say?


I also did a deep reset on the computer but she saw no improvement.


Explain please "deep reset".  That is a phrase that really means nothing.

Have you cleared the user caches?  The system and kernel caches? 
Have you run the three maintenance scripts provided by Apple?  
Can't really tell what you've done, so we can suggest productive 
things to try...


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[Manager Comment] Re: G4 MacBook

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On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:17 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

My daughter is complaining that her 5 year old MacBook is running  
slowly.  OS 10.4.11


On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Ben Dinger wrote:

finding IDE disks for laptops is starting to become more and more  
difficult



This OT thread seems to be getting weirder and weirder.  First of all,  
there are no G4 MacBooks.  Secondly, all MacBooks have SATA drives.   
Please move further suggestions about acquisition and enhancement of  
MacBooks to our MacBook Group at:



Fabian Fang
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Re: Need help with setting up G4 for internet

[Dan]

At 2:23 PM -0800 3/4/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
Notice there's not much help for upload probably an FCC thing to 
keep the licensee's pockets heavier.


Nothing to do with the FCC.

This is because the older copper and coax based technologies are 
asymmetrical -- higher bandwidth in one direction and much lower in 
the other.  This has traditionally been "ok" for residential service 
because, until p2p and such, most customers didn't need to upload 
much data.  eg:  V.90 dialup, ADSL, DOCSIS 1 & 2 (coax).  The ISPs 
reserved symmetrical services, which cost *much* more to maintain, 
for their business-grade customers.  eg: SDSL.


Newer technologies are changing all this.  FTTH (Fiber to the Home) 
is a symmetrical service, limited only by the quality of the 
repeaters, routers, and backhaul.  And DOCSIS 3 permits much higher 
upstream, so it can be configured to seem symmetrical.


Pricing is, of course, simply what the market will bear, plus a giant 
dose of consumer and political stupidity.


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Re: G4 MacBook

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:35 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

> 
> 
> 2010/3/5 John Carmonne 
>  if you're a rich Italian.
> 
> you can buy a new MacBook Pro 17'', instead of a powerless MacBook :D
> 
> Nicholas 
> 
I paid $2200. for my MacBook Pro 2.4 15.4" in early 2008 I'm still getting over 
the sticker shock. I got a MacBook Intel 13" for a friends daughter on 
Christmas for $600.00 and an extra $60.00
on eBay I put in 2GB Ram and a 120GB HDD. And Snow Leopard, now to me that's a 
deal. But I'm kinda cheap:-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: G4 MacBook

[Ben Dinger]

On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 12:27:16PM +0100, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:
> 
> A G4 MacBook doesn't exist..probably she has a iBook G4 or a PowerBook G4..
> 
> To improve your daughter's mac you can add more RAM or change the HDD with a
> 5400 or 7200 hard drive...or you can buy her a new MacBook!

I'll second this.  One of the first upgrades I do on any computer I work
on, or tell someone to work on, is the hard drive.  Especially with a 5
year old machine, you'd be amazed of the performance difference of
putting in a new, 7200rpm high-end disk. 

That being said, finding IDE disks for laptops is starting to become
more and more difficult as everything moves to SATA.  

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Re: G4 MacBook

[Nicholas Fantuzzi]

2010/3/5 John Carmonne 

>  if you're a rich Italian.
>

you can buy a new MacBook Pro 17'', instead of a powerless MacBook :D

Nicholas

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Re: G4 MacBook

[John Carmonne]

On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:27 AM, Nicholas Fantuzzi wrote:

> 2010/3/5 Lawrence David Eden 
> My daughter is complaining that her 5 year old MacBook is running slowly.  OS 
> 10.4.11
> 
> A G4 MacBook doesn't exist..probably she has a iBook G4 or a PowerBook G4.. 
> 
> To improve your daughter's mac you can add more RAM or change the HDD with a 
> 5400 or 7200 hard drive...or you can buy her a new MacBook!
> 
> Nicholas

 I would try to reinstall and archive the system and after that if no 
improvement max out the ram. Or the new MacBook if you're a rich Italian. :-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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I can go out on the web fine. Gmail doesn't work and my Tivo says
something about getting an open port.

Thanks

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Re: G4 MacBook

[Nicholas Fantuzzi]

2010/3/5 Lawrence David Eden 

> My daughter is complaining that her 5 year old MacBook is running slowly.
>  OS 10.4.11
>

A G4 MacBook doesn't exist..probably she has a iBook G4 or a PowerBook G4..

To improve your daughter's mac you can add more RAM or change the HDD with a
5400 or 7200 hard drive...or you can buy her a new MacBook!

Nicholas

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G4 MacBook

[Lawrence David Eden]

My daughter is complaining that her 5 year old MacBook is running 
slowly.  OS 10.4.11


I ran Disk Warrior on the HD and it found no issues that needed fixing.
I also did a deep reset on the computer but she saw no improvement.

The HD is not full

What else should I try?

Larry

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