Re: Format problem
Did you do a full disk erase and then format it fresh? I've done this fine before with NTFS formatted drives with no problems. From: Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net To: G3-5-list g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 10:43 PM Subject: Format problem Dual 2GHz Power PC --- 2GB DDR SDRAM Have a 500GB Newer Tech External HD that HAS been in use as a FAT formatted HD. Need to re-format to use Apple Partition Map HOW, every conceivable way that I can imagine using 'Disk Utility' will NOT eliminate the FAT partition map. --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
I would caution on this because as has been discussed several times on this list G3s and G4s have problems with youtube videos. The other thing is that since they are older often prices are more expensive to repair and upgrade these. Like on G4 system you can sometimes spend $20 for a 512MB RAM stick when the current RAM is going for $30 for 4 GB. Albert From: Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Selling upgraded Macs Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Processor upgrade?
Hi, If its a MDD Dual 1Ghz it will run 10.5 (leopard) as my QS Dual 1Ghz does and this is a newer board than mine is. Albert From: Heather Cotter heather.cot...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:00 PM Subject: Processor upgrade? Hey, So I'm pretty much building a Leopard-capable machine from scratch at this point. (First time doing so with a Mac! Only Frankensteined PCs before.) Can anyone tell me whether this would be compatible with a G4 M8570 logicboard? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250822734647 The seller didn't know, and while this website (http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Multiprocessor-Module-N5-for-Power-Mac-G4-1Ghz-Dual-820-1310-A-661-2730-p-36868.html ) says it is, their customer service is so blatantly clueless in response to any and all questions, I'm reluctant to trust it. Thanks for any help/advice, Heather -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OpenDNS or Google Public DNS?
I would caution against using Level 3's DNS as there is a lot of talk about Level 3 restricting their DNS Servers so only people with Level 3 IP Addresses can use them. From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com; macin...@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:11 PM Subject: Re: OpenDNS or Google Public DNS? I prefer my defaults from Verizon or the L3's, 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2, etc. dig 'em all. See what gives you the best response. It's all about the route... fwiw, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problems maxing ram on Quicksilver
Mike, I would verify that you are using all the same speed memory and same latency. Mixing different chips could cause problems. You might also want to clean the slots and test each stick individually using AHD (Apple Hardware Diagnosis) if you don't have the CD that came with the computer you can download the image from Apple Support site (sorry don't have the link for this). Once you test individually try 2 at a time and switch the 2 that you are testing. Albert From: mfarrell607 mfarrell...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Problems maxing ram on Quicksilver Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had any similar problems or solutions when maxing out the ram on an old Quicksilver. It's model M8493 running a 933mhz processor. I have tried to max out the ram to 1.5GB but when I put the final 512MB chipset in it causes programs to freeze or just quit midstream (like Firefox, Safari), or the machine to freeze up altogether. If I put a smaller size chip in it runs fine (I have an old 128MB one that used to run in it). The machine recognizes the 1.5GB. I have tried rotating the chipsets in the memory slots, made sure they are seated properly, and even returned the most recent one purchased and gotten a replacement and the machine still has the same problems. I don't know if there is something I am missing or what. If anyone has any ideas as to what the problem is or how to solve it please let me know. Thanks, Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day...
I agree this is a great tale and awesome and useful information. I'm not nitpicking here but wouldn't it have been quicker and easier to just restore from backup? Albert From: Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Re: A couple of useful hints and a tale of my day... On Apr 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: sniperoo Caveat! As with ANYTHING done as root, you can really screw up the system. Using Finder like this is taking a heavy-duty power tool, removing all the safety guards, duct taping it to your hands and supergluing the trigger to the 'ON' position. If you don't know what you're doing, you can lop off a limb before you know what happened to you... Use wisely :-) Bruce, Fascinating tale, which I appreciate your taking the time to share. It's because of the sharing that goes on in this group that I've learned so much about Macs over the years. The fact that you, Dan and a few others who are really, really hands-on as well as book-smart knowledgeable take the time to share your experiences makes this group more valuable than any other single resource for Macs on the Internet. Thank you! Jim Scott Macs for Kids -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Huge amount of bounced mail coming back from this list...
I've received messages that I sent and actually appeared on the list from Jan and Feb. From: Dan Palka turboda...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Huge amount of bounced mail coming back from this list... I've received like 20 bounced emails today, some dating from years ago, from a user on this group trinettejohn...@fuse.net Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks, Dan ___ Dan Palka | INFO-MAC | w: info-mac.org | e: d...@info-mac.org | p: 312.857.6522 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Huge amount of bounced mail coming back from this list...
Thought I would share this that I just got from List Manager in reply to an email I sent: The group email is hosed again. We are aware of the problem. GMAIL and Yahoo frequently get hacked and this happens. Kyle Hansen List Manager If you think education is expensive, check out ignorance! On 4/19/11 6:10 PM, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I am continuously getting Returned Mail messages that date back from Jan and Feb of this year. Is something going on that is causing this to happen? These messages were all sent and on the group. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: QS 733 freezes
First of all as has been discussed several times on this list I highly doubt a QS 733 is going to be fast enough to run YouTube. I think everyone has clearly voiced YouTube is poor at best on any G4 machine. I need to test this out I have QS Dual 1 Ghz that I would like to try this on. For the freezing its either a RAM or a overheating problem. I suggest opening it up and verifying that it has the fans running when its powered on. If it does I would check for RAM. First I would remove and reseat all the RAM sticks. From: shirley allan shirleyallan1...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:17 AM Subject: QS 733 freezes Our BW 450 (Tiger) could do everything we needed until u-tube. We recently got a QS 733 with 512 ram, which should be fast enough. Unfortunately, when we got the QS home we discovered that it, freezes anywhere between 30 seconds to five minutes of operation (whenever the machine warms up?) Advice on what to check, replace or fix first? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best OS X?
I'm running 10.5.8 on my 12 iBook 1.2GHz with 768MB of RAM and its quick and fine for everything from some games to web browsing. From: thejean...@gmail.com thejean...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:54 AM Subject: Best OS X? Hi, everyone :-) First, my apologies for posting this on the wrong list. I've tried to post to the G4 Books list a few times, but my posts aren't being approved there. I haven't gotten any rejection emails, so don't know if my posts are making it to the moderators. :-( What's the best/newest version of OS X for my 1.33 GHz PowerPC G4 PowerBook? Currently, I'm running 10.3.9 and experiencing limitations in browser/Flash upgrades, etc. Currently have 1.5 GB memory. And ... while on the subject of my much-loved PowerBook ... I'm considering purchasing a new MacBook Pro and will then need to sell the G4. I haven't been active on the LEM Swap list lately, but a quick search of posts hasn't brought up any recent listings for them. Anyone have ideas as to the best place to find current reasonable values for them? I've looked some on eBay, but not sure I trust what I see there. It's an awesome PowerBook, and I know I'll have to upgrade in the not- too-distant future, but still trying to keep it as functional as possible for it's remaining time with me. Thanks! Jean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Powermac G4 VS Original Emacs
Harris, Anything with a fast speed processor is going to be faster. Also, the Emac is limited to 1 GB of RAM where the others can use at least 1.5 GB RAM. If your using applications that are memory intensive you will notice a difference with that. if you go to http://www.everymac.com it gives MacBench Scores for each unit at its default settings which it also provides the higher the number the faster the computer. Also if we knew more about what you do with your computer it might help us give you a better answer. Thank You, Albert From: Harris Leen sexforlif...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sexforlife30@gmai Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:30 AM Subject: Powermac G4 VS Original Emacs I have a Emac G4 700Mhz 40Gig 5400RPM hard disk. How much faster is the Sawtooth models and the Digital audio models and quicksilver models and the MIrror drive door models. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Duplication
Ron, I do not believe this is a problem with this particular list I think the problem is specific to Yahoo. I receive duplicate emails using Yahoo with this list, Yahoo Lists, and other lists. I also receive duplicates from friends or people emailing me directly. With me its a sparse thing (It doesn't happen on every email). I would suggest you check with Yahoo or try using a different email provider to narrow this down. Also, since you are receiving duplicates of every email I would suggest that you check that you don't have multiple subscriptions to other email accounts that might be forwarding to your Yahoo email. Thanks, Albert From: ainsies ains...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Duplication G'day to all Thought I would give this another try Approx. five months ago I posted that I was receiving double, treble copies of ALL emails from this group, which was filling my inbox in a big way. At that time Dan replied that Google would fix this little error, so not to worry about it. Well as I have said this was five months ago, and I am still receiving all these extra copies of every email from the group. Does anyone else have this problem, or is it just me, and if it is only me, would anyone know of a remedy ? I am using a G3 iBook 366ghz with 576mb ram, running 10.4.11 Also using G5 iMac 2.0ghz with 2gb ram running 10.4.11, using Yahoo Mail both machines Regards - Ron -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Motherboard and Memory Questions on recovered DAFir
Mark, First thing I notice with this information is that the memory cannot possibly be all original. Just looking at the report on the RAM that is in the 2 populated slots you have 2 totally different speeds and latency types of memory. Granted I come from a PC World mostly and just dabble in Macs, but in a PC this would cause problems including it not being able to recognize the memory (Anyone know if this is true for Macs?). The other thing is you have 4 slots and if all are filled with 512MB you should be seeing 2 GB of total RAM. Since the computer is recognizing just 2 slots I would do the following. Remove all memory and then test 1 stick in all 4 slots and see if it is recognized in all 4 slots. Move onto the next stick and do the same. You can also record what the computer detects each individual stick as so you can have that for your records. I suspect you have 4 different types of RAM and that's confusing the computer. Thank You, Albert From: smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:39 AM Subject: Motherboard and Memory Questions on recovered DA I was able to get my DA G4 operational again by replacing the power supply. I have noticed something odd. The machine has all its memory slots filled with 512 sticks. I am 99% sure they are the original sticks from the machine from before the power outage. I tested them in another machine and they all tested out OK. Now with these sticks back in the DA About This Mac is showing only one GB of memory when there are 1.5 GB installed and before the power outage it showed 1.5 GB. About this Mac shows each slot as: DIMM0/J21: Size: Empty Type: Empty Speed: Empty Status: Empty DIMM1/J22: Size: 512 MB Type: SDRAM Speed: PC100-322S Status: OK DIMM2/J23: Size: 512 MB Type: SDRAM Speed: PC133-333 Status: OK DIMM3/J24: Size: Empty Type: Empty Speed: Empty Status: Empty The machine only has three slots and they are all filled. Part of the problem is I never checked this far into this before this problem so I can't say for certain what has changed other than the machine always showed 1.5GB. I thought the 133Mhz machine couldn't use, if I am reading this correctly, PC-100 ram. Something similar to this happened on the Dual Processor G4 I used for a couple of days before it died. It had 2GB of ram. When I checked it it showed only 1.5 GB. As I used it I would occasionally come across a Memory Failure statement or it would say memory failed. It wasn't a system error. I can't say what I was doing when I came across this statement. Anyway, a day or two later the Dual Processor G4 quit working. The power light would come on but It wouldn't boot. This machine had a broken USB port that some idiot broke at work. I am thinking maybe this is what killed the Dual Processor. I can't say for sure, but I am guessing that the motherboard in the Dual Processor is dead. I tried all this ram in a third machine and It liked all of it. It handled the 2GB from the Dual Processor and the 1.5GB from the DA. I thought I was very careful to keep these sticks straight and together, but it is possible I could have mixed them. I don't think so. What could be going on here? I am I looking at a possible motherboard failure in the DA? It doesn't look like it would be very hard to change. I thought about getting another motherboard for the Dual Processor, but even the used ones a expensive. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Motherboard and Memory Questions on recovered DAFir
Mark, Once again as noted in my previous email I would suggest working with one stick of RAM at a time and moving it through all RAM Slots. This will narrow down where the exact problem is. Albert From: Mark Murphy m.smurph...@charter.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Motherboard and Memory Questions on recovered DAFir I looked into the other machine and I found two sticks of Crucial 133 ram. So I did screw that up. But, it didn't make much difference. I looked at the ram in the DA and pulled out the two sticks that weren't marked 133 and put in the two sticks I found. The only change is that in slots J21 and J22 now have 133 ram and J23 shows empty. I think this is an improvement. Mark Murphy On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Albert Carter wrote: Mark, First thing I notice with this information is that the memory cannot possibly be all original. Just looking at the report on the RAM that is in the 2 populated slots you have 2 totally different speeds and latency types of memory. Granted I come from a PC World mostly and just dabble in Macs, but in a PC this would cause problems including it not being able to recognize the memory (Anyone know if this is true for Macs?). The other thing is you have 4 slots and if all are filled with 512MB you should be seeing 2 GB of total RAM. Since the computer is recognizing just 2 slots I would do the following. Remove all memory and then test 1 stick in all 4 slots and see if it is recognized in all 4 slots. Move onto the next stick and do the same. You can also record what the computer detects each individual stick as so you can have that for your records. I suspect you have 4 different types of RAM and that's confusing the computer. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
Sean, All my searches come up with it being a Biostar NVidia GeForce 5200, My question is why is the fan missing? Google Search based on UPC Code: http://www.google.com/search?q=upc+802700700095ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a Best results that has specs: http://wize.com/graphics-cards/p308572-biostar-geforce-5200 (look on the left of the page and scroll down to see the specs click on More to get them all. Sorry I'm not good at flashing ROMs so can't really help you there. Hopefully the above helps you out though. Albert From: Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:43 PM Subject: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching Like puzzles? Good (good) mysteries? Look at these: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1042.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1043.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1051.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1063.JPG Then: a) Identify the card precisely. Extra points for providing a link that shows a matching image and specs. b) Identify the correct Mac ROM - if there is such a thing - for the card. Extra points for revealing how you know and where to get it. Sean --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: General Disk hardware health?
Does Macintosh have a port of hdparm? Not sure but that works really well in Linux. It allows you to find out how long the drive has been running, access the direct SMART information, test it, and several other neat features. From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Friday, February 4, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: Re: General Disk hardware health? What I want to do is go one step beyond the zero approach.. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: General Disk hardware health?
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it will work with a virtual machine as you need direct kernel access to the harddrive. I don't know if Parallels allows you to mount a drive directly for only use in parallels or not. From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Friday, February 4, 2011 2:13 PM Subject: Re: General Disk hardware health? On Feb 4, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Albert Carter wrote: Does Macintosh have a port of hdparm? Not sure but that works really well in Linux. It allows you to find out how long the drive has been running, access the direct SMART information, test it, and several other neat features. I have Ubuntu in my parallels box on this mac, how do I do what your telling me about? or is that possible with a virtual machine I wonder? Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac Mini HDD speed
Ok now I'm lost. I thought Kris was referring to IDE not SATA. SATA II and SATA III in a Firewire enclosure will of course run slower than plugged directly into a SATA II or SATA III Controller. From: JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini HDD speed Kris, why so hostile? Since FW400 is limited to 400Mbs, and a 5400RPM drive will run 3Gbs, how will a 7200RMP offer more performance when the bottleneck is in the FW400 itself? In any system, one needs to look at where the bottleneck is, and iJohn's guess passed the common sense test with me. An SSD addressed through FW400 will perform no better. Definitely faster? You sure? On Jan 24, 2:51 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jan 23, 2011, at 9:51 AM, iJohn wrote: That's a hard one to guess at. But my guess would be no, I don't think you'd see a gain. Or if there was one, it would not be as large as you hoped. What? Why are you guessing? These are measurable facts. Guessing about things isn't acceptable. Either you know some factual information or factual reasoning about a topic, or you don't. In this case, YOU DON'T, so you shouldn't have posted. I suppose it's possible that a 7200 RPM drive would still appear to perform faster than an internal 4200 RPM, but I wouldn't count on it. A 7,200 RPM HD is DEFINITELY faster in a FW400 enclosure than either a 5,400 RPM or 4,200 RPM. Have you ever even booted from Firewire on a daily basis? Have you made measurements? Have you streamed video off a Firewire enclosure? Obviously your experience is limited. More to the point, I feel fairly confident that you would not really be able to tell the difference between a (recent) SATA 5400 versus 7200 when connected via Firewire 400. BASED UPON WHAT FACTS? In my experience MEASURING the difference in speed, the difference is LARGE and EASY to tell the difference between. In other words, if you're going to go with a Firewire 400 external drive I'd suggest going with a 5400 drive and save a few bucks. With the recent improvements in platter bit densities over the last year or two, the throughput of 5400 drives has increased noticeably. The difference between 5400 and 7200 is not as noticeable especially when you put that 400 Mbps cap on the drive throughput. It's the HD ITSELF that's the limiting factor here, NOT the Firewire connection. Any gain you make to the HD will transfer directly, arithmetically to the Mini's HD performance. === On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:22 AM, John Carmonne wrote: OK then let me ask is the internal drive Bus 167 speed going to be faster than the same drive connected to the FireWire 400? A 2.5 HD connected to the internal ATA bus is going to be slightly faster than any HD connected via Firewire 400, but if the internal 2.5 HD is the standard OEM 5,400 RPM and the external FW400 is a 3.5 7,200 RPM the difference will be minimalized substantially. The fastest you can achieve will be a SSD connected to the internal ATA; followed by a 7,200RPM 2.5 or 5,400RPM 2.5 connected to the internal ATA; followed by a 7,200RPM 3.5 connected via Firewire 400, and then any slower HDs connected via FW400. And does that relate to overall performance of my G4 PPC Mac Mini 1.25? The best thing you can do to your 1.25GHz Mini for performance is to overclock it to 1.42GHz. It's a simple overclock IF you can see well, the resistors are TINY. I never soldered mine, they were too small for my soldering ability. Instead, to remove one I cut the solder with an exacto knife (any tiny sharp knife or razor blade might work?), and to add one I used conductive circuit paint using a toothpick. It's a free 15% speed gain with no downside unless you screw-up and botch the job. As Newertech and several other companies noticed, there isn't much downside to booting a PPC Mini from a 3.5 7,200RPM HD instead of the 2.5 5,400 RPM OEM drive, and the proliferation of MiniStack enclosures is a testament to that concept. I've been using my Mini as a media-center computer and I'm trying to squeeze every last bit of performance from it, so I boot from a small internal 2.5 7,200 RPM drive and use a 1 TB Apple Time Capsule for media storage, but this isn't much better than booting from a MiniStack or any good Firewire enclosure with a modern 3.5 HD. Note, there is NO difference in speed between a 3.5 ATA133/150 HD and a 3.5 SATA HD inside a FW400 enclosure. If an SATA HD enclosure are cheaper, that's the best deal, but if you have an older ATA 7,200 RPM HD enclosure it should be identical in performance. There are some Firewire 400 enclosures with poor performance chipsets, but these are rare in more modern enclosures. Definitely avoid anything by GeneSys Logic
Re: Child Mac user advice needed
Hi, If people can respond to this on list it would be great. For Christmas I gave my middle school son a G4 iBook 1.0 Ghz with 756MB of RAM and OS X 10.5.x. I was also wondering what software is available for a child of his age on a G4 Mac. Thank You, Albert From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:38:46 PM Subject: Re: Child Mac user advice needed On Jan 9, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Dana Collins wrote: On 1/9/11 7:53 PM, Jonas Lopez of jonaslo...@yahoo.com sent Child Mac user advice needed PLEASE REPLY OFF LIST: Grandchild's parents asked me for Mac computer for kid 6, grade kindergarden, is this too young? I have NO EXPERIENCE with programs for children. Would a G3 work to start? Are there children programs for G3? Where, who, etc. I too am giving a G3 (yes, Jonas, I am starting out with that) to a ministerial family with kids, and would also like to know if there are some educational games available for a G3 running Tiger (this G3 has a G4/500MHz CPU upgrade to it, for what it’s worth). I think a G3 iMac is a super first machine for kids. It runs Tiger and is an all in one reliable computer with plenty of great software available for free. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Freezes during software update
All, I see things differently than this. QS + Sleep/Wake = Freeze = Bad Solution 1: Find out what is causing the problem in the first place. I remember I believe on this list (might have been another) that some USB add on cards cause this problem. Solution 2: Disable Sleep Capability. Not sure if you need it or want it but if it causes your computer to freeze you should disable it. (My QS is a server so I've disabled the Sleep function). Albert From: t...@savingus.org t...@savingus.org To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:00:13 PM Subject: Re: Quicksilver Freezes during software update Similar situation with my wife's Quicksilver - solved with Jiggler freeware from http://www.sticksoftware.com/software/Jiggler.html Eric On 12/2/10 7:45 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: From the other Jonas, I have had that problem too and re did it making sure to stay awake and all was well. So, keep moving the mouse, so it will not go to sleep, and it will work just fine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
What should I use
All, I'm here struggling on what I should do. I currently have a PowerMac G4 QuickSilver Dual 1Ghz, 1.5 GB RAM, Standard Video Card that I have been using as a server. It currently has Mac OS X 10.4.11 Server on it. However, I'm worried that Tiger is getting dated. The costs of Leopard Server are way beyond my means. I currently use this box as a file server and media server. From everything I can see I could do that with just a standard install of Leopard. What would people recommend for me stick with 10.4 Server or upgrade to Desktop version of 10.5? What features will I lose if any? Why is server more useful for the Macintosh? Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
I wouldn't necessary recommend using Pin-Sol or Water to clean a processor. Best method I've found is to run the machine long enough to heat up. Remove the heat sink remove what you can with a lint free paper towel and then clean the rest off using a 85% or better isopropyl alcohol. From: Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 12:28:44 PM Subject: Re: Thermal Compound Question On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Geke wrote: To improve conductance, you can use the type of paste containing metal (like Arctic silver), but then you have to be more careful than with the white ceramic type of paste, because metal also conducts electricity. The white pastes are a nuisance to clean-up after. However, these clean-up quite easily by using full-strength Pine-Sol, followed by a hot water rinse. Arctic silver is indeed conductive, which is why the applications procedure is so involved. White and diamond pastes are non-conductive, and the procedures are somewhat simpler. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
QS DP 1.0 w OS X 10.4 Server
All, I currently have a QuickSilver DP 1.0 with OS X 10.4 Server on it. I am looking to change the harddrives on this server. In doing so I want to do a clean install of the OS. However, look as I may I cannot seem to find what I did with the license information for Tiger Server. I know I have it just have mis-placed it. Is there anywhere inside the OS that gives you the License Key for this product? Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RAID 1 on USB2 Drives?
All, I got interested so I started googling. Here's something that I found that may or may not be helpful: http://66.49.144.193/C2011481421/E20060221212020/index.html Albert From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:30:05 PM Subject: Re: RAID 1 on USB2 Drives? On Jul 13, 2010, at 12:42 PM, t...@io.com wrote: Does the Mac OS X included RAID feature work with USB2 external drives? Would it be usable (not too slow). I'm building a home music server out of a G4 Mac Mini running Tiger and was going to get one external 2 GB drive to sit under it in a MiniStack case, but then I started thinking about back up, and realized I might like to run mirrored drives. So I could add a second drive and MiniStack and just make the stack a little higher, but I've never done RAID on anything but internal drives. I think it should work, but I'm not sure. Does it work? Jeff Walther I'm really hoping that somebody chimes in on this because I have the same question. Jeff Engle --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best DVD burners?
If you sometimes burning at a low speed helps older players to work better with the recorded DVDs. Also you might want to make sure your player supports the media you are using. Some only support DVD-R and now DVD+R and vice versa. Also you might want to make sure you are using high quality media some of the cheap stuff causes problems. On Jul 12, 9:53 pm, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: I wish I could hit on the magic combination. I get tired having to watch the DVDs on a set top to be sure they play OK. They almost always play right on the Mac, Any info on a LaCie? or are they in name only? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CPU Temp?
That might not work. I tried it on my QuickSilver 2002 Dual 1 Ghz and it never showed the temperature. From: Brian Christmas b...@tpg.com.au To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 11:03:15 PM Subject: Re: CPU Temp? Try http://www.islayer.com/apps/ Regards Santa -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
Mark, Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one further suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment it and do not turn off or pause the video camera. This will lead to further validate your proof. Albert From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 8:49:24 PM Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? Well why didn't I think of that earlier? I'll have the video posted on July 9, 2010, because I am going on vacation. I will be back to post the video. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
Mark, Please learn your terminology SO-DIMMS are for laptops and tray loading G3 iMac ONLY not desktop machines. Albert From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 3:40:31 PM Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? Like i said... it goes like this: I first pulled 4 1GB So-dimm low profile SDRAM modules from a Dell Poweredge 2500 server, and then updated my firmware version from 4.2.8f1 to 5.2.5f1. I restarted, and pressed and held COMMAND+OPTION+P+R. Warning, the PM G5 2003 firmware update only works on the PM G4 sawtooth as far as i know, and on all other sawtooth's i've tried, this is the only lucky one so far. I had to type in an OF command that temporarily wipes out the system info until restart in terminal. Then, once the G5 firmware has been applied and i pressed COMMAND+OPTION+P+R during restart, I then shut it off. I plugged in the 4 1GB Low profile modules, and it started up. I had the Question mark over the folder icon flashing, So I installed the lightest version of Mac OS X that the Application can run on, Mac OS X Jaguar. I installed Q emulator, emulated the (PC only) intel architecture, and I inserted the Boot 132CD. I then took it out, turned everything off in the Jaguar (host) system including finder, and inserted the install disk for Mac OS X Snow Leopard.) I put the guest OS (the one in the emulator) at full screen, and from there, isnatlled Mac OS X Snow Leopard, and since then, updated it to Mac OS X 10.6.3, or build 10D578. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
I don't know if I buy the 4 GB of RAM thing. His video didn't offer much proof of that either. He showed the sticks installed he didn't take them out and show us up-close detailed information and didn't show us in the hardware profiler on the Macintosh I think he made modifications after all on April 21st Mark created a Topic: Want to know how to modify the About this Mac window? I know I saved it because I was intrigued and planned on researching this some on my own never got a chance to. Albert From: Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:28:16 PM Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? Alright, I'll believe the 4GB-in-a-Sawtooth deal, but not the 10.6.3. You are going to want to hurt me for this, but YOUR VIDEO IS FAKE. You're either running a Hackintosh or running 10.5 with a modified About This Mac dialog. Your big mistake was running front row. Front row on 10.6 requires a graphics card with Quartz Extreme and Core Image. I've done my research, and Q emulates a basic VGA card. Even if you could get Q to boot 10.6, you'd have to use the generic VGA drivers, hence no QE/CI. Also, your About this Mac dialog - No matter what OS you run in Q, it will never see the host machine specs. It would only see the hardware Q was emulating. It's faked. (I know it can display whatever you want it to, I've built several Hackintoshes and edited the file myself.) From what I've read about Q, on an INTEL MAC doing straight x86 to x86, it emulates a ~500MHz PC. Imagine how slow a 400MHz G4 would be. There's no way it would boot. You might get 10.6 to boot on a quad G5, but it wouldn't be usable. The only counter-proof I'll believe is a full video from power button press to the About this Mac dialog in 10.2 to Q booting 10.6 to the About this Mac dialog in 10.6 running in the Q window, NOT full screen. Chance On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying me with It's fake comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded into 5 parts. Well, enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5 Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a nice day everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not rude ones.) on the video sites, but, don't bother me about this subject after you see the video and proof, because this has gone far enough. I wanted to keep this a secret, but I guess that the present is more exciting to tell about something like this than the future. Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody! -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
First of all G4 Power Macs do not take SO-DIMMs and neither do Dell Servers. SO-DIMMs are for Laptops and Tray Loading G3 iMacs. Secondly I doubt a PowerMac G4 would except a G5 Firmware the board wouldn't allow it the structure is completely different. From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 2:45:13 AM Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? 4 1GB So-dimms LOW PROFILE from a dell poweredge 2500 server. They must be low profile or they won't work. Be prepared to re-install the OS. Insert the RAM, start up and press and hold COMMAND+OPTION+P+R. There was a combined OF command, but i forgot what it was. It was after a while of learning commands on OF. Also, my version of firmware is from a Power Mac G5 early 2003. Since the G4 and G5 are similar, the firmware works too. The reason why the machine cannot detect the 4GB of RAM is because of the firmware. Apple didn't really think that 4Gb of RAM would be needed back then, so it limited the amount of RAM to 2GB. I downloaded the PM G5 early 2003 firmware update, tricked the installer into thinking i had a G5 processor, restarted, pressed and held COMMAND+OPTION+P+R, shut down, inserted the 4GB of RAM, and it worked after a Leopard re-install. Since the firmware is for a G5, the system thinks it's a G5, when in reality it's a G4 (don't worry, it'll show up as a G4 on the about this mac window! =) ) since the firmware is designed for a G5 that is able to handle 8GB of RAM, (Don't try 8Gb, it will be an epic fail) It can see the 4GB of RAM and is able to use it. The open firmware command was an alternative i made just in case i forgot, but the way i explained it here works too. Btw, be prepared for troubleshooting. This took me 47 days to get to work. this can also be done through micro-soldering a G5 OF chip onto a sawtooth, but I don't want to take my chances and ruin my companion that's been happy with me for 11 years. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Benchmarking/Troubleshooting Software
Hi, I am looking for some Benchmarking or Troubleshooting software that will run under Mac OS X 10.3.9. I am looking for this because I have 3 iBook G3 500 Late 2001. They all have 256MB of RAM and 15GB Hard Drives. 2 of them boot up really nice and quick and are ready to go the 3rd takes at least a minute to a minute an 1/2 longer to boot than the others. It seems to sit on the screen that is grey with the swirling circle a lot longer than the other 2 do. This happens regardless of if the laptop is running on battery or electrical. Troubleshooting: 1) Ran Apple Hardware Diagnostics with no problems. 2) Someone suggested that it might be an issue with the Hard Drive so I ran FSCK with no errors. 3) Ran Apple Hard Drive Utility and ran a check on the hard drive and did a correct permissions. The check was clean and it corrected some permissions, still no change. 4) As a last resort I wiped the hard drive and re-installed 10.3.9, still no change. I know this isn't the iBook group, but these computers are G3s and I'm not a member of the iBook group. If you think I'll be better served there let me know. I'm really just looking for suggestions on where to go next. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Syncing iCal
I believe that Google Calendar works with iCal you could sync to that and that way it would be available online for both computers. From: Gottick International i...@gottick.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 7:03:07 AM Subject: Syncing iCal I like to sync iCal on two computers. And I would like to the two calenders to keep on updating each other. What would you people say is the easiest way to do that? A -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Syncing iCal
Not sure about that never tried. You can use iSync if you have a .mac account. If you have email account that is iCal enabled that will work. Or you can try this: http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-ipod-help-troubleshooting/25706-sync-ical-between-two-computers.html From: Gottick International i...@gottick.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 12:22:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncing iCal So there is no way the computers can do that between themselves? I believe that Google Calendar works with iCal you could sync to that and that way it would be available online for both computers. From: Gottick International i...@gottick.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 7:03:07 AM Subject: Syncing iCal I like to sync iCal on two computers. And I would like to the two calenders to keep on updating each other. What would you people say is the easiest way to do that? A -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list __ Anders Fager Gottick International www.gottick.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: No apple dvd player
Sounds like either the power or the IDE cable came loose from the drive or in case of IDE cable could have come loose from the logic board. Or your DVD Drive has gone bad. I would recommend verifying all cables are plugged in correctly. From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 9:36:51 PM Subject: Re: No apple dvd player On Apr 30, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 30, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: here's one of things that I should know where to look for, but I'm stumped I have no Apple DVD Player in the applications folder where it should be. (Leopard 10.5.8), how can I get it? Jeff (and yes, I've recently added an optical drive to this MDD dual 1.42) If you don't have a supported DVD drive the OS X installer doesn't install DVD Player. Insert your Leopard Install DVD and use Pacifist to install DVD Player separately. Personally, I don't like Apple DVD Player. It automatically plays DVDs in it's default state, which I don't like. I like using VLC to play DVDs because it can play virtually any DVD irrespective of the region of the DVD which means we don't need region free firmware for our DVD units any longer, they can all play any region DVDs irrespective of how the optical drive is set. It would be rare to have a non-region 1 DVD in America, but it's possible, and would be a big disadvantage to Apple DVD Player since it can only play region 1 DVDs (assuming your DVD unit is set to region 1 as it normally would be). New problem? when I put the leopard install (or any other disk) it won't mount on the desktop or finder it shows up in hardware profile?? hmm.. Jeff --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???
This is not true. The only thing that is different about the distribution of Windows 7 from XP and Vista is that the DVDs contain both the 32-bit and the x64 version of code. There are still individual discs for Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, and Enterprise. From: iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 7:45:13 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc??? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: However, Windows phones home with the info and serial number when you connect to the internet. Yes, when you authenticate. If you don't authenticate then after some period (30 days?? for Win 7??) then as you say, it turns into a pumpkin. And admittedly it'll probably be a damn nuisance to use before that by nagging you to authenticate. OS X disks do not contain ANY sort of serialization, a fact that can be confirmed if you have access to two retail install disks of the same OS: they're identical. My understanding is that the same thing is true for Windows 7 DVDs. You get the same DVD whatever version you buy. Which software is installed and enabled from the DVD depends on what serial number you enter. (What you get before you enter a serial number I have no idea. Who has the patience to waste time trying to find out?) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g4/500 fan doesn't turn off?
Jack, I'm not too sure of the configuration so I have a question: Does the fan plug into the PSU or into the LogicBoard? If it plugs into the PSU than you probably have a faulty PSU. If it plugs into the LogicBoard then you probably have a faulty LogicBoard. You can test this out by putting the fan into one of the other G4's you have and see if it does the same thing. If it does (and I hightly doubt it will) its a faulty fan. Albert From: Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 10:29:13 PM Subject: Re: g4/500 fan doesn't turn off? Those aren't the problem. To test it, I stuck in a working 40 gig hard drive with 10.4.11 setup, airport card, 4 pieces of 256 ram, etc. The fan still doesn't shut down when the machine is turned off. So, the fan issue is not related to the parts that were missing. I've used the same ram, hard drive, airport card, keyboard, mouse, monitor, and power cord to test two other g4/400s that came in the same batch. Neither of the others have the fan issue...even with the same boot drive/ram/airport, etc. So, the fan staying on is not related to any of those things. Why then does the fan stay on? How do I get the fan to turn off when the machine shuts down? ~~ On 4/22/10 8:15 PM, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sounds like you already found out what it needs: RAM, hard drive, etc. If the computer doesn't have these things, it will not run or run properly. Find the model # and the specifications of what it needs and start shopping around. Do you have an OS X retail install disc? If not, Mac OS X 10.3 is a descent OS to start with on a G4 500 - There's also a lot of cheap, free, easy-to-use software for it on the web and to buy. -Mike On Apr 22, 6:50 pm, Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com wrote: I'm tinkering with a g4/500 that started life as a server. A friend got it at some sort of auction, along with other gear...no history available. It seems to have come with no ram, hard drive, etc. I have it running, but find that the internal fan does not shut off when you shut the machine down...the fan just keeps running till the power cord is pulled. Anyone have ideas of how to fix this? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tempermental PowerMac G3
Just off the top of my head sounds like either a problem with your optical drive, harddrive, or both. Could be a bad cable (if both devices are on the same cable) or a controller card issue. Albert Carter Reston, VA 20194 From: Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 7:42:27 PM Subject: Tempermental PowerMac G3 My PowerMac here is going crazy. First thing that happened was i couldn't boot into OS9, so i tried booting the OS9 CD i have (that i installed with) and it wouldn't boot. Then it started being really unstable in OSX (kernelpanics, but i couldn't find a kext in the crash log) so I tried reinstalling OSX, but it crashed during the install. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best OS for MDD (Possible OT)
I hear you on this. I went from Macintosh Plus (original OS) to a Macintosh IIsi (7.6.1) to a G4 Quicksilver 933 running Mac OSX Server 10.4. Huge Gaps. Albert From: dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 4:03:13 PM Subject: Re: Best OS for MDD (You know, I basically went from 6 to 8 and barely knew 7 (a brief installation of 7 on an SE30 to work a printer for a few months when overseas), I am doing the MacOS leap again from Tiger to Snow! Not sure if any other regular Mac users have these huge holes in their Mac histories. g) -- dorayme -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Cube processor upgrade?
This might be off-topic but fits with this response: John, You are only partially correct here. If you mean that AMD is CURRENTLY consistently behind Intel you would be correct, however AMD has in the past be ahead of Intel: 1) In 2006 AMD was the first to release a fully 64-bit processor 2) In this processor the AMD Athlon X2 64 AMD was ahead both in architechture and speed of dual core processors. 3) AMD was the 1st to implement TRUE dual core processors. I would have to agree that currently AMD falls behind Intel, however price perspective speaking they are a lot cheaper and probably aproach a better price:performance ratio than Intel. Honestly, in the short time I've been really into Macs again (almost a year) from what I've seen a Macintosh with an AMD Processor would still walk all over any Intel based PC. Heck I think my G4 walks over my PC, plus there would be a lower price point to boot. If Apple were to sink the $$ into AMD that they are currently sinking into Intel I believe AMD would be stronger financially and would probably be ahead of Intel in production than Intel. Albert On Apr 2, 10:44 am, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/2/10, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: JT (Who still wishes that Apple would have selected (or bought) AMD) uh why? AMD is consistently behind intel and has had financial troubles. Intel constantly leads in x86 technology and has had a stable financial record. Selecting AMD instead of intel wouldve put macs behind their competing pc counterparts in capability and speed, but perhaps that's your goal? -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode
Dan, Not sure of the problems you are having but I can say that I have 2 Quicksilvers 1 is a 933Mhz which was originally a 733Mhz before the upgrade and the other is a 1.0Ghz DP both of them start up in TDM with no problems. Quicksilvers are definately TDM capable. As for your problems sounds like either RAM, PSU, or Logicboard problem. Others on the list might know more. Albert From: Deiniol ap Deiniol autolycus.mercat...@googlemail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:12:47 PM Subject: Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode Recently got a 733MHz Quicksilver, which initially was unwilling to boot at all, although I had seen it working, when I bought it. After fitting new PRAM battery and CUDA update, it would initially start to boot and then turn off. It gradually started getting further along until it would boot into OSX and then turn off immediately.. Eventually I had it running with no problems, did all software updates and it ran happily for a couple of days. I then turned it off and came back to it after another couple of days, and again it wouldn't start, although after about twenty tries it booted all the way and ran fine. It now seems fine , starts first time and runs with no problems. ( running 10.4.11 with 768MB memory BTW) . I have added a USB2 card and a SCSI card both of which it recognised immediately, and replaced the optical drive with a DVD burner which works OK. However if I try starting it in Target Disk Mode it immediately turns off!. I have tried doing this from system preferences, and by pressing T when starting, with the same result. The firewire bus seems fine: I have surfed with it by sharing my connection with my G4 iMac over a FW lead with no problems and also used an external FW DVD drive, before I changed the optical. Does this G4 support TDM? IIRC some of the G3 powermacs didn't? Regards, Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
G5 Information
Hi, I wanted to find out some information on a Power Mac G5 2.5 DP. I'm slightly confused on this. Someone is selling theirs. I read on EveryMac that these have the Liquid Cooling (that seems to be problematic) but the current owner says the CPUs are both air cooled. Is there something I am missing? Also, they said an Apple Genius said the logicboard is going and needs to be replaced (didn't specifically state what the problem is). They are selling this for $100 and all in all doesn't seem like a bad deal, however I'm not sure if I could find a new logicboard and if I can how much it would cost. Any ideas? Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: G5 Information
John, Where would I look up the serial number information? Albert From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 6:33:55 PM Subject: Re: G5 Information All sounds a little fishy to me. 2.5 is liquid cooled maybe it's a 2.3. Also a logic board starting to go?? Well a logic board isn't hard to get or hard to replace. The processor is easy to replace also. I saw 2.7 liquid cooled unit for $300.00 in super shape. If the machine is a cream puff the price is greatI would ask for the serial number to be sure what you're looking at. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card
Roman, Personally I try to stay away and avoid stuff on eBay from foreing countries. I've heard horror stories about shipping problems and other issues. Albert From: roman...@ideal-access.com roman...@ideal-access.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 8:02:49 PM Subject: Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card I've been looking at this 512 nVIDEA AGP card for flashing. It's $70.00 US delivered from Hong Kong. Does anyone have any info on it? http://cgi.ebay.ca/NEW-AGP-NVIDIA-GEFORCE-6800-GT-512MB-DDR2-6800GT-AGP_W0QQitemZ280474861054QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item414d9abdfe Roman OT. How does one make the tiny URL links? --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help
John, I wasn't able to reseat the processor/heatsink yet. I did install iStat Pro however it shows only temperatures on hard drive so that's not too much help. Are there any processor temperatures anywhere on this machine? Albert From: John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 9:48:41 PM Subject: Re: QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help Reseat the processor module heat sink and make sure all fans are clear of dust and crap and operating. There should be a dedicated fan for processor module heat sink cooling. Down load IstatPro to check operating temperatures. On Mar 23, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Albert Carter wrote: All, I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was informed it was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might have been RAM related. I've changed out the RAM and run several runs of XBench (figured this would stress enough for problems to come out). I have seen no problems via that. I don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this Macintosh (is this available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I have noticed something though - The heatsink on top of the processors seems to get VERY HOT. Like if I shutdown the computer and open the side and touch the heatsink it is just cool enough so it doesn't cause a burn, is this normal? I have checked the fan that is under the shroud that routes out of the case and it spins and runs so its not that that isn't working. If this processor normally runs hot is there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem like a very effective way of cooling (I'm from the PC World where heatsinks have fans on top). Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the PSU on this computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get splitters? If not does this take a standard ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable higher wattage one? Thank You, Albert Carter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: data transfer so sllooowwww on G4 MDD?
This is interesting. This card doesn't designate it works with Macs or not. Can you put in any USB 2.0 card and it will work? If this is the case what cards besides video cards are Mac Specific. I guess controller cards would be as well. From: JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 6:25:31 PM Subject: Re: data transfer so sllooo on G4 MDD? BTW - I've used this company before. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280476352515category=67869ssPageName=ADME:B:SEMK:US:SHOWIemailtemplateid=20543087sellerid=gGJHhC/Sl6umjaZzVXQDxQ==buyerid=FpRekKD1aqCMA/iALSI0iA==refid=store#shId $4 shipped. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP help
All, I recently got a QuickSilver G4 1.0Ghz DP for 25 bucks I was informed it was freezing up but the previous owner thought it might have been RAM related. I've changed out the RAM and run several runs of XBench (figured this would stress enough for problems to come out). I have seen no problems via that. I don't have any Apple Hardware Diagnostics that works for this Macintosh (is this available as a free download from Apple by any chance?). I have noticed something though - The heatsink on top of the processors seems to get VERY HOT. Like if I shutdown the computer and open the side and touch the heatsink it is just cool enough so it doesn't cause a burn, is this normal? I have checked the fan that is under the shroud that routes out of the case and it spins and runs so its not that that isn't working. If this processor normally runs hot is there any better way to cool it a side fan doesn't seem like a very effective way of cooling (I'm from the PC World where heatsinks have fans on top). Next question I plan on setting this up as a server and want to add harddrives to it but have noticed there are a total of 5 or 6 molex plugs for internal harddrives however most of them route inconviently. Is the PSU on this computer adequate enough to run 4 hard drives if I get splitters? If not does this take a standard ATX based PSU or do I need to get a compatable higher wattage one? Thank You, Albert Carter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card
You don't want to put a PCI Graphics Card into a system that's capable of running AGP. I have a Quicksilver 1Ghz DP I have a standard card Geforce 2MX 32MB RAM. I also have a PCI FX5200 with 128MB RAM. I ran XBench on both with no changes to anything else and the PCI Card scores about 1/2 the performance as the AGP Card From: The M mstye...@yahoo.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 9:14:12 PM Subject: Re: EDIT: A good and cheap video card I'll look into that. I googled NVidia FX5200 and I saw a really cheap 256MB card but it was PCI. Do pci graphics cards work with the MDD's? You can't compare Apples and oranges. And Microsoft is the orange here. Another idea would be to pick up a used G5 NVidia FX5200 card, do a bit of modification to the card itself (really easy to do), and just drop it in. No flashing required with full core and quartz support. These cards only have 64 meg onboard, but unless you absolutely have to have 128 megs, this may be the easiest and potentially cheapest way to get most of your list met. I used one in my old DA and worked perfectly. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
RAID
All, I am trying to setup a server on my QuickSilver DP 1.0 computer running OS X Server 10.4.11. I would like to setup RAID 5. I have 4 160GB ATA/133 Hard Drives for this purpose. However, I am have a very difficult time trying to find any PCI RAID Controllers for IDE that support RAID 5. I would go software route but it seems that Apple decided not to go the LVM router like unix and linux does so there is no implementation of RAID 5 software wise. I've heard of something called RAID-Z but that sounds like its only available for Leopard or Snow Leopard. Does anyone have any suggestions or routes I can try? Thank You, Albert Carter Reston, VA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: RAID
Do you lose much in performance between RAID 5 and RAID 0+1? I got a brand new (factory sealed) Hard Drive Controller Card I don't think it does RAID but I paid like $20 for it off Craigslist. It supports ATA/ 133 since the default controller on board for the QuickSilver is only a ATA/66 maybe a ATA/100. Can you boot to RAID 0+1 if its done as a Software RAID? On Mar 21, 7:51 pm, John Niven sense...@yahoo.com wrote: With four drives and Tiger you can do a RAID 0+1. Make two stripes, then mirror them. It's not as efficient, but works. I use it on a G4 Xserve with four 500Gb drives. The other idea that occurs is to get one of the RAID pci cards that were made for the G5 Xserves. I think they might do what you want. They are for SATA drives. I've seen them on eBay, but can be pricey. --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: I am trying to setup a server on my QuickSilver DP 1.0 computer running OS X Server 10.4.11. I would like to setup RAID 5. I have 4 160GB ATA/133 Hard Drives for this purpose. However, I am have a very difficult time trying to find any PCI RAID Controllers for IDE that support RAID 5. I would go software route but it seems that Apple decided not to go the LVM router like unix and linux does so there is no implementation of RAID 5 software wise. I've heard of something called RAID-Z but that sounds like its only available for Leopard or Snow Leopard. Does anyone have any suggestions or routes I can try? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Good OS X PPC Stress Testers and Benchmarkers
Hi, I wanted to know if there were any good free stress testers for checking hardward: processor, RAM, harddrive, etc. Also I wanted to know what good free benchmark software is out there. Thank You, Albert Carter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: WAS sleep problem in Quicksilver NOW OT
Mark, More than likely the cause for this is due to the age of the browsers you are running. I had a customer having the same type of problem with IE5 they were running Tiger so I didn't know they were running IE5. I went over and they showed me the problem. I questioned why they were running IE5 and they said that's what Verizon installed with the DSL. I showed them Safari and then downloaded Firefox for them and no more problems. Unfortunately I don't think Firefox is available for 9.1. I've heard of other browsers in other posts that are available for 9.x OS but don't remember what they are. You need a more current browser. Albert From: Mark chris...@fuse.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 7:03:35 PM Subject: WAS sleep problem in Quicksilver NOW OT I just reset PRAM/NVRAM on a G4 450x2 that wasn't sleeping properly. It has 2 drives - 1 starts up in 9.1, the other in 40.4.11. surprise It restarted in 9.1. Took awhile to remember where stuff was. Fired up some old browsers. Netscape Communicator didn't like Blogger. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/CletusR/Netscape47.jpg LOL IE 5 kept freaking out on script errors. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Question about the best MacOSX
I currently picked up a G3 iMac 700 SE. It has a 60GB Harddrive and 512MB RAM. It also has MacOS X 10.3.9 installed on it. I wanted to find out if 10.3 is best for this iMac or if it would better to install 10.4 on it. Also wanted to know what the pros and cons are for each. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Who's using my network?
If you want to know how to detect a specific computer connecting you can setup your niece's computer's MAC Address to obtain a specific IP from your router connects and then just keep a continuous ping running on that IP. When the pings start coming back then you'll know she's connected. Albert Carter Reston, VA Computer Consultant/Technician/Training From: Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 12:05:54 AM Subject: Re: Who's using my network? On 3/5/10 8:56 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Anybody know if there's a piece of software out there (for leopard 10.5.8) that will tell me who's using my network? I know it will probably only show an IP address, but that would be good. Jeff Most WiFi routers have a section where they show connected devices in their configuration software, including Airport's . Wired devices are easy to find. Pick up the ethernet cable and follow And if you have the MAC address you can use the first 3 number pairs (prefix) to find the vendor of the Ethernet chip set. Apple computers almost always come up as Apple being the vendor. Other brands are harder to tell. You can use either of these web pages to look up the MAC prefix. http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/oui.txt http://www.curreedy.com/stu/nic/ -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Cordless Keyboard/Mouse Recommendations
All, I am looking to get a good cordless keyboard and mouse for my QS dual 1Ghz it is running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Server. I've always loved Logitech products. However, the only Logitech Cordless kit that I can find that supports Mac OS X is the Wave. I have a corded Wave keyboard and like it, however I don't care for the mouse that comes with the cordless kit. I would much prefer the Wave Pro, but from what I can find its not available for Mac OS just windoze. I hate apple mice (still can't figure out how you right mouse click with them). I'm not a big Micro$oft fan so I try to avoid even their keyboards quite sad they have more support for Macs than Logitech does. Anyone have any recommendations? Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD problems - questions
Based on technology it seems feesable but could fry your processor. The bus speed on the 867 is 133 MHz the bus speed on the dual 1.42 is 167 MHz. This would be approximately 20% bus speed increase assuming the 867 processor is capable of running on a 167 Mhz bus this would over clock the processor by 20% this would put the processor up to 1040 Ghz. I'm more of a PC person than Macintosh and I know in a PC world for a 20% over-clock you need some really good cooling. I guess my point is I wouldn't recommend it unless you got kick butt cooling. Albert From: AJ aja...@yahoo.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 11:54:38 PM Subject: Re: MDD problems - questions --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: MDD problems - questions To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 10:25 PM On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:05 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: If you swap it you'll lose OS9 boot capability. Did you try contact cleaner on the Ram slots? DeoxiT is a good one. Also just because the RAM works in another machine doesn't always mean it's totally good. Do you have TechTool to check with? You can also try with 1 stick and see if it runs right. Then swap slots. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Only if the board has FireWire 800 I am not really concerned about the ability to boot OS 9. I am concerned as to will the computer boot/work with the 867 processor on the 1.42 board. The board does have firewire 800 but I am not really concerned about 800 as long as there is firewire. I just cant seem to find anything anywhere about the 867 and the difference in the board speed. I realize that most people wouldnt put a slower processor on a faster board but its what I have on hand. I am also concerned about the power supply. Will it work on the newer 1.42 board? I know there is a wattage difference but dont know if it should be a concern. I am thinking the additional power is for the larger processor and the firewire 800 but cant seem to find out about that either. Would the processor run at an overclocked condition because of the different bus speed? Any way to find out what it would be, or if it is even within the operating range. I did try cleaning the ram with no difference in results. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dark Grey Screen???
Richard, This could be caused by a number of things. Without knowing more about what Macintosh you have it would be hard to diagnose. Please provide more information on what Macintosh this is regarding. If it is not an iMac or Laptop please also provide information on the monitor. Thank You, Albert From: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 9:31:21 AM Subject: Dark Grey Screen??? This is a first for me??? When I booted up my computer this morning the whole screen turned a dark grey with a view of my desktop in the back ground and a white window with black letters (everything went black and white) came up asking me to restart the computer holding down the start button for a few seconds??? Does anyone out there know what this means??? I've been planning on doing a clean and reinstall soon because I bought this computer used a yr ago and it still has the orig owner as the admin, I just got a new Tiger install disc to do it... Thanks!!! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RAM Upgrade for Quicksilver
All, I have a Quicksilver it was originally a 733 Mhz one but when I bought it someone had upgraded it to 933Mhz. Its running 1.25 GB RAM. I recently got a deal on the lowendmac swap list for another 512 MB RAM. I inserted it into the 1st RAM Slot and removed the 256 MB Stick that was in it. When I restarted I get 3 beeps and no video. I'm like ok this is supposed to be good RAM. I then placed it in the 3rd Slot and the Macintosh booted as normal but didn't recognize the memory. I have looked around and people talk about CL (CAS Latency) and Low vs High Density Memory so I'm wondering if the RAM is good but just doesn't meet the specs. Information on RAM: Crucial RAM: 512MB 168-PIN DIMM 64Mx64 SDRA (from my understanding 64Mx64 is Low Density). This is the information on the Crucial Sticker. Information on the tag with an M with a circle going through it (Micron?) says the follow: MT16LSDT6464AY013D2 200703 CNCFLJ001 COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SINGAPORE LEAD FREE PC133U-222-542-Z 512MB, SYNCH, 133MHz, CL2 All my other RAM says CL3. I was wondering if this computer can only use CL3 Memory. If it can I wanted to find out if a true Quicksilver Dual 1.0Ghz can run CL2 Memory (if so I'll keep this as I just got one with processor and motherboard and plan on moving over to that. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
