Re: Are powermac g4 still useful?
I had dual 1000 Mhz G4. Installed Mac OS Server 10.5. Good backup server for my other macs with its SATA card and SATA discs. Sometimes i even use it for DVD Burning, iMovie simple movies and surfing. Even i watch some online TV on it. Other than its wind sound it is good to work with. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:22 PM, gira93 wrote: > I use Mactubes to view youtube videos using Quicktime, it's fast and > the videos are very fluids! > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata *baha...@gmail.com* *Phone: 0212 343 6050* *Fax: 0212 343 6061* *Mobile: 0544 585 9102* *USA Phone: 14434504035* -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 3 Devices on USB 2 Ports
Tina K. Nice comment. I wish to use it in macosxapplications.com. USB3 devices is some sort of usb 2 extended. So if we use all new devices in usb 2 mother it will be faster. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Dan wrote: > At 10:42 AM -0700 12/20/2011, Tina K. wrote: > >> Mac OS X Hints has a blurb today about using USB 3 Devices on your USB 2 >> equipped Mac for faster data transfers: [url] >> > > Yea. But if you think about... > > USB 3 devices have newer/faster interface chips. So of course, they'll > drive the interface faster even in USB 2 mode. Heck, even the cheap USB 3 > chips (not available on the market yet) will be faster. > > What really counts tho, is the actual peripheral device and its i/o > buffer. If it's a slow/older nand (flash) stick or card, it ain't gonna be > faster. If it's a slow/cheap HD, it ain't gonna be faster... > > ...I don't mean to ding Hint's finding. It's just that it needs to be > kept in perspective so people don't jump to conclusions then get upset when > things don't work out. A turtle is still just a turtle, even after you > slap on them brand new hot pink running shoes with a N* swoosh. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at > http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtml<http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml>and > our netiquette guide is at > http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtml<http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml> > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/g3-5-list <http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list> > -- Baha Ata *baha...@gmail.com* *Phone: 0212 343 6050* *Fax: 0212 343 6061* *Mobile: 0544 585 9102* *USA Phone: 14434504035* -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What is the Highest OSX a Digital Audio G4 can run?
10.5.8 On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:25 PM, smac0031 wrote: > I thought 10.4.11 was the most advanced OS a DA G4 can run and still > use OS9 software. Lately, I'm getting the drift this isn't true. > > I have a 1.6ghz accelerator and 1.5Gigs of ram. It seems to run pretty > good since my power surge disaster last winter. > > So, what is the highest OS this thing will run and still run classic > stuff? > > Mark M. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata *baha...@gmail.com* *Phone: 0212 343 6050* *Fax: 0212 343 6061* *Mobile: 0544 585 9102* *USA Phone: 14434504035* -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
in my testing... it is always you may not received item. But simply you may get your money back if you did not receive item and ask it before 45 days. In any circumstances, you must obey the rule, if you do not receive item in 45 days... you open dispute... and get your money back. SO no problem. I bought many items from china... Generally they are ok. But sometimes they do not arrive. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:45 PM, bhossfield wrote: > I am looking at this item on ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SONNET-ENCORE-ST-G4-DUET-1-8G-MAC-UPGRADE-CPU-PROCESSOR-/400188058422?pt=CPUs&hash=item5d2d112b36 > > It's a private auction, seller based in China who claims to have 100% > positive feedback. > > If you were actually willing to spend $266 + $20 shipping on one of these > things, would you have reservations about this seller? Does anybody out > there have experience with this seller and could put my mind at ease? > > Thanks. > > Bruce - in Orlando > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD problem
i said it might be CPU too. or only CPU... On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:23 PM, yawg wrote: > Hello, > > I just tried to start my MDD another time, this time I held down the > start button for a longer time and lo and behold, at least I got the > same situation as before. The red LED on the mobo is lit. > > The last thing I did was replace the single DIMM I left in and connect > another disk. Nothing looks burnt as far as I can see. Are there more > options before I send my PSU in for an overhaul? > > Thanks again, Jörg. > > On 12 feb, 13:28, Baha Ata wrote: > > no... i dont think you burned out motherboard... CUDA is not burned out > > motherboard. It is long story for my English. > > > > Yes please test if you can your PSU before you got another one... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:17 PM, yawg wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > Thanks for your comments and help. > > > > > When I pressed the CUDA for a couple of times, about 10 to 20 seconds, > > > there was no battery installed. > > > > > I did this only after the normal CUDA procedure (5 sec. with battery) > > > didn't work. > > > > > How can I damage the motherboard without the battery? So it might be > > > wasted money if I send my PSU in for repair? I have to get another > > > MDD?? > > > > > Best regards, Jörg. > > > > > On 12 feb, 05:23, Baha Ata wrote: > > > > it is... sometimes... you may look 3 yellow capacitors on the > board... i > > > > wish to have pictures... those are rectangle plactic cover yellow > > > > collored... not big, nor small... on the mainboard... look them. any > > > burned > > > > out... generally first they burned out. on mainboard... look red > light.. > > > > generally if red light turns and those 3 of yellow covered mainboard > is > > > ok. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, theleaddog > wrote: > > > > > On Feb 11, 3:54 pm, Bruce Johnson > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:55 AM, yawg wrote: > > > > > > > I removed all cards, put the video card back in, removed all > RAM, > > > put > > > > > > > one RAM stick back in, removed all ATA cables exept for my > startup > > > > > > > disk, removed the battery, pushed the CUDA a couple of times > for 20 > > > > > > > seconds, pushed the power button for 20 seconds, let the thing > sit > > > for > > > > > > > half an hour or more, put the battery back in and voilá: no > more > > > bong, > > > > > > > the light on the power button only stays lit as long as I push > it, > > > > > > > doesn't matter how long I push it ... > > > > > > > So I managed to kill my MDD by following your suggestions? > > > > > > > > Nope, now you know it's a bad power supply. I now remember going > > > > > >though that hassle with a professors MDD about 6 months ago and > > > > > >got the identical results. Replacing the PS fixed all the > problems. > > > > > > > Interesting. I had the same experience with a MDD DP 1.25 pre-2003 > > > > > ($1000 at the time). Replacing the PS didn't fix it. Took it to > Apple > > > > > store. Genius said the processor was shot. Replaced the processor > with > > > > > a good used one...no go. Figured when it went, it took out the mobo > or > > > > > vice versa so I put in another used mobo with my old processor. > Nada. > > > > > Replace processor with the good used one. Ta-da! I guess both items > > > > > were toasted. :-( > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a > group > > > for > > > > > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus > on > > > Power > > > > > Macs. > > > > > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmlandour > > > > > netiquette guide is athttp:// > www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > > > > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > > > > > -- > > > > Baha Ata > >
Re: MDD problem
no... i dont think you burned out motherboard... CUDA is not burned out motherboard. It is long story for my English. Yes please test if you can your PSU before you got another one... On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:17 PM, yawg wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for your comments and help. > > When I pressed the CUDA for a couple of times, about 10 to 20 seconds, > there was no battery installed. > > I did this only after the normal CUDA procedure (5 sec. with battery) > didn't work. > > How can I damage the motherboard without the battery? So it might be > wasted money if I send my PSU in for repair? I have to get another > MDD?? > > Best regards, Jörg. > > On 12 feb, 05:23, Baha Ata wrote: > > it is... sometimes... you may look 3 yellow capacitors on the board... i > > wish to have pictures... those are rectangle plactic cover yellow > > collored... not big, nor small... on the mainboard... look them. any > burned > > out... generally first they burned out. on mainboard... look red light.. > > generally if red light turns and those 3 of yellow covered mainboard is > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, theleaddog wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 3:54 pm, Bruce Johnson > > > wrote: > > > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:55 AM, yawg wrote: > > > > > I removed all cards, put the video card back in, removed all RAM, > put > > > > > one RAM stick back in, removed all ATA cables exept for my startup > > > > > disk, removed the battery, pushed the CUDA a couple of times for 20 > > > > > seconds, pushed the power button for 20 seconds, let the thing sit > for > > > > > half an hour or more, put the battery back in and voilá: no more > bong, > > > > > the light on the power button only stays lit as long as I push it, > > > > > doesn't matter how long I push it ... > > > > > So I managed to kill my MDD by following your suggestions? > > > > > > Nope, now you know it's a bad power supply. I now remember going > > > >though that hassle with a professors MDD about 6 months ago and > > > >got the identical results. Replacing the PS fixed all the problems. > > > > > Interesting. I had the same experience with a MDD DP 1.25 pre-2003 > > > ($1000 at the time). Replacing the PS didn't fix it. Took it to Apple > > > store. Genius said the processor was shot. Replaced the processor with > > > a good used one...no go. Figured when it went, it took out the mobo or > > > vice versa so I put in another used mobo with my old processor. Nada. > > > Replace processor with the good used one. Ta-da! I guess both items > > > were toasted. :-( > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group > for > > > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on > Power > > > Macs. > > > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our > > > netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > > > -- > > Baha Ata > > > > baha...@gmail.com > > 0544 585 9102 > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD problem
it is... sometimes... you may look 3 yellow capacitors on the board... i wish to have pictures... those are rectangle plactic cover yellow collored... not big, nor small... on the mainboard... look them. any burned out... generally first they burned out. on mainboard... look red light.. generally if red light turns and those 3 of yellow covered mainboard is ok. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:45 PM, theleaddog wrote: > On Feb 11, 3:54 pm, Bruce Johnson > wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:55 AM, yawg wrote: > > > I removed all cards, put the video card back in, removed all RAM, put > > > one RAM stick back in, removed all ATA cables exept for my startup > > > disk, removed the battery, pushed the CUDA a couple of times for 20 > > > seconds, pushed the power button for 20 seconds, let the thing sit for > > > half an hour or more, put the battery back in and voilá: no more bong, > > > the light on the power button only stays lit as long as I push it, > > > doesn't matter how long I push it ... > > > So I managed to kill my MDD by following your suggestions? > > > > Nope, now you know it's a bad power supply. I now remember going > >though that hassle with a professors MDD about 6 months ago and > >got the identical results. Replacing the PS fixed all the problems. > > Interesting. I had the same experience with a MDD DP 1.25 pre-2003 > ($1000 at the time). Replacing the PS didn't fix it. Took it to Apple > store. Genius said the processor was shot. Replaced the processor with > a good used one...no go. Figured when it went, it took out the mobo or > vice versa so I put in another used mobo with my old processor. Nada. > Replace processor with the good used one. Ta-da! I guess both items > were toasted. :-( > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD problem
infact you may finish battery but i did not get any bad things other than it by pressing twice times to CUDA. Relax. It is not CUDA. It might be CPU or PSU for my 2 cents.. I got same situation once i changed PSU and it not fixed... It was cpu... Once i changed CPU but it was PSU. I was lucky in second time because i had 2 MDD in my desk. If you got a friend that have MDD.. You may test your CPU and PSU... Sometimes it works... a little time... until CPU get too much hottet.. OR PSU sometimes get work if some capaccitors halfly working... And it goes away some times after... My English is bad... or not enough to tell what i know.. but belive me i got 4 G4 and 2 of them MDD... and i know what i am saying. On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Dan wrote: > At 12:41 AM +0100 2/12/2011, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: > >> On 11-02-2011 18:55, yawg, yaw...@gmail.com, wrote: >> > , pushed the CUDA a couple of times for 20 seconds, >> >> NEVER push the CUDA more than ONE time for a few (± 6) seconds before a >> restart!! Simply seen all the manuals and/or doc.'s I know. Pushing more >> than once can destroy the whole CUDA-system! >> > > To clarify... > > Pressing the CUDA button reboots the Power Manager. The PMU is the > subprocessor that runs the whole motherboard. > > There is no need to hold it down for ANY length of time. > > Pressing it more than once, or even holding it down well, that means > you're interrupting the boot cycle with yet-another boot cycle. This can > result in a screwed up PMU that will quickly drain the battery. > > Press it ONCE and ONLY once. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Powermac G4 mdd dual Strange noise???
i always put on the desktop even crazy sound it produce... otherwise it gets higher hot. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Matevž Markovič < ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hy! > > Thanks for advice. I will raise my Powermac as high as possible. When I > will complete my numbers crunch for today, I will inspect it for dust and > also clean it. > > Have a nice day! > > Matevž > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD problem
The red line on the board is on, after you start? Do not stay open too much machine as cover open you may burned out CPU (i had once). If you need open cover workout you need put a 12 inch fan above cooler that emits air and put out (while only cover is open it works out when close you need fan opposite) if you look all things and found no error... check the cpu... i just got the same... cooling paste became aged and or other stuff. screw out cooler... and look white stribes arround cores. if any brownish or dark means burned out cpu... Other thing you may look... cables... and battery... you must look out cables... take off battery and wait 10 min and put back and PRAM reset... one stick ram... one hd. and no cd/dvd cabled. if those not work... look brownish white stribe arround core... if all things are good. it is nearly certain POWER. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:40 PM, yawg wrote: > Hi, > > Yesterday I came back home after 3 months abroad and started up my > MDD, it booted fine and I did some work and then played music from the > harddisk. Suddenly the music playback got stuck and the Mac froze. I > switched it off holding down the power button. When I started it again > I got the screen that tells you to restart in many languages (a stupid > thing - when you restart after seeing this screen the mac never > restarts, all you get is that same sceen again over and over). > > But this time I didn't even get the "restart screen" again but only a > bong and then nothing, both my monitors stayed dark. I couldn't even > reset the PRAM, no second bong. Starting with the Alt button didn't > work either. After reading some old posts about the PRAM-battery > issues I bought a new battery today but still the same. I tried > reseating the 3 RAM-sticks, 2 512 and one 1024 MB, still no go. > > What more can I try to get my Mac to work again? I am running mostly > Tiger and sometimes Panther if I want to use older Adobe apps. Would > this be a bad power supply? > > I live in a relatively cool climate, the Netherlands, the fan of my > MDD 1.25 GHz (last model with FW 400) only speeds up sometimes when > it's very hot in the summer. > > Thanks for your comments. Best regards, Jörg. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA upgrade for my Quicksilver 2002
why not look on e-bay.. they are some SATA cards on there even with bootable ones. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > I wanted to upgrade my QS 2002 to SATA, and follow my upgrade of my DA Dual > 533 with a Firmtek Seritek 1S2 ... > > But ... > > According to owcomputing.com and bhphotovideo.com ... they are > discontinued? > > Alternatives? They are available from Firmtek ... does this mean support > for PCI slot Macs is really on the way out? > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com 0544 585 9102 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Lion Is a Must-Have: 10 Reasons Why
and without that sending for LEM... i do not even know there is a site about it... I visited the site because of that little article... Without that article i do not know the site... now i visited and bookmarked that site. 2010/11/2 glen > - Original Message > > > From: Dan > > > > > Raise your hand if you used the link instead of reading the email! ya > right. > > Here's my hand. I did not see the article at the end of the email; did see > the > link and went directly to the article. Another click for the ad guys. > > I would have been more concerned of taking up too much wordage and wasted > bandwidth when a link was all that was needed. > > But hey, you are right in defending copyright laws, though they are > somewhat > vague and untested. These days someone may end up in the county jail for > jay > walking. So are the times. > > Good call, --glen > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Lion Is a Must-Have: 10 Reasons Why
belive me i can keep it whatever license it is in or i got... but if i begin to share even information of i am keeping it it becomes other story... so do what you can do but do not share with anyone motto :) licensing that kind of thing! :) 2010/11/2 glen > - Original Message > > > From: Dan > > > > > Raise your hand if you used the link instead of reading the email! ya > right. > > Here's my hand. I did not see the article at the end of the email; did see > the > link and went directly to the article. Another click for the ad guys. > > I would have been more concerned of taking up too much wordage and wasted > bandwidth when a link was all that was needed. > > But hey, you are right in defending copyright laws, though they are > somewhat > vague and untested. These days someone may end up in the county jail for > jay > walking. So are the times. > > Good call, --glen > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
BitDefender got a Beta 2... Free for enrolment www.bitdefender.com i have been using them for may Macs on 10.6.4 But for intel onyl.. There is only ClamXav and Sophos for Mac that i could find while i am with my Powerbook G4 2010/11/2 Dan > Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated... > (get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well) > > <http://www.clamxav.com/> > > > And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool > > < > http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2010/11/free-mac-anti-virus.html > > > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Lion Is a Must-Have: 10 Reasons Why
At that point, we are in a position that we cannot share a link! 2010/11/1 Dan > At 10:32 PM -0400 10/31/2010, Chance Reecher wrote: > >> At 10:15 PM 10/31/2010, Dan wrote: >> >Mass-republishing without the ads has ripped them off >> >> I see it a different way. Exactly how many list members do you think >> would have seen the article had it not been re-posted to the list? >> > > Thousands, if the url was posted. Just the url. > > > The post had the link back to the original site, which could and most >> likely did generate traffic to it. >> > > Raise your hand if you used the link instead of reading the email! ya > right. > > > >AND potentially made LEM liable. >> >> If anyone is liable it's Google Groups and/or the OP. LEM itself had >> no direct involvement. >> > > Google is protected by their size and common carrier type status. LEM, no > so well protected. Ziff could hit them with a take-down and lawsuit -- and > it would cost LEM thousands of dollars to deal with it. > > > At 11:38 AM + 11/1/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > >> And either way( or in any case, a " fair use" argument would be thrown at >> it. >> > > No. The "one off" personal copy is covered by Fair Use. Republishing a > copyrighted work, in full, without the copyright holder's explicit > permission is NOT Fair Use. > > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HDD Disposal & Data Security
lol... when u touch surface even without magnet it is already gone! :) 2010/10/17 Tina K. > The eight year old HDD in my iMac finally died. Never having had an > out-of-warranty HDD die before I decided to take it apart and see it's > construction for myself. This is what brings me to my question. > > Are the rare earth (?) magnets that control the actuating arm strong enough > to erase the data on the disk itself if they are simultaneously applied > directly to both sides of the disk? > > It's not terribly important as I intend to physically destroy the disk, I'm > just curious about this. > > Tina > > -- > > iMac 20" USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR > Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB > PowerBook G4 15" Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD thermal sensor tape ?
any online international seller for that? 2010/8/29 John Carmonne > > On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: > > > All my external HD (or the enclosures I don't remember) > > came with a strip of yellow transparent tape for securing the thermal > > sensor to the HD. > > It doesn't like reuse. > > > > Where can one purchase tape such tape? > > Or, what alternatives are acceptable? > > > > thank you > > Cliff > > > I buy my KAPTON tape from a company in Ontario CA called Uline. 800 295 > 5510. > > John Carmonne > Yorba Linda USA > Sent from my MBP > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MacBook Pro battery
i recommend ebay... a high valued seller will be choice... have look at them... ask production date of battery wherever you buy it. it is going lose its value with time even if it is not used. Be careful about that situation. http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=A1175+battery+brand+new&_sacat=See-All-Categories I recommend a calibration software for health of your battery too. Battery must be used. Never used them also lose its life on shelf. (try to not buy more than 1 year old manufactured date battery, best is same season produced battery) I recommend binary trick watts for calibration. http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/binary-tricks-watts-calibration-tool-mac-battery/ I am generally using batteries more than 700 cycle even they rated with 300 cycle with %80 life. I can maintain them 400 cycle with %90 life. Usage and weather conditions are another issues. Never use your computer without battery, without battery it is lower / nearly half / speed. http://www.macosxapplications.com/tips/macbook-macbook-pro-reduces-processor-speed-battery-removed-operating-ac-adaptor/ 2010/7/27 Lawrence David Eden > I need to buy my daughter a replacement battery for her Mac Book Pro Core > Duo, 15" Laptop. > It came with Apple's A1175 battery. > > If any of you have suggestions as to what to buy and where to buy it, I > would be grateful. > > Thanks, > > Larry > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
lol even i shocked i cannot write my site well www.macosxapplications.com Hmmm i got 3 G4 Sawtooth... so lets try only rams :). 2010/6/13 John Carmonne : > I must come to Mark's defense here. FWIW. I've read in the past a post by > someone I think maybe Bruce J about the ability to boot from USB on PPC > machines direct not through OS 9, however I never quite was able to figure > how, anyway I read one of Mark's posts a while back and he explained how to > do it and he's totally right on with it. I even carry a 4GB USB stick in my > pocket to dazzle my friends at the Apple store/repair depot with it. Just > plug it in any PPC Mac with a USB port and do the opt select and up it comes. > > The FW or powered USB drive isn't needed. So this opens a lot of > possibilities for machines without DVD drives for system installs and trouble > shooting. Disk Warrior is a good example. > > Thanks for explaining that Mark:-) > > John Carmonne > Yorba Linda USA > Sent from my MBP > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
i cannot say anthing else than MASTER! :=) you shock me !!! conversion you may use popcorn video conversion tool from www.maxosxapplications.com... search in the site... popcorn 2010/6/12 Mark Sokolovsky : > Like i said... it goes like this: > I first pulled 4 1GB So-dimm low profile SDRAM modules from a Dell Poweredge > 2500 server, and then updated my firmware version from 4.2.8f1 to 5.2.5f1. I > restarted, and pressed and held COMMAND+OPTION+P+R. Warning, the PM G5 2003 > firmware update only works on the PM G4 sawtooth as far as i know, and on > all other sawtooth's i've tried, this is the only lucky one so far. I had to > type in an OF command that temporarily wipes out the system info until > restart in terminal. Then, once the G5 firmware has been applied and i > pressed COMMAND+OPTION+P+R during restart, I then shut it off. I plugged in > the 4 1GB Low profile modules, and it started up. I had the Question mark > over the folder icon flashing, So I installed the lightest version of Mac OS > X that the Application can run on, Mac OS X Jaguar. I installed Q emulator, > emulated the (PC only) intel architecture, and I inserted the Boot 132CD. I > then took it out, turned everything off in the Jaguar (host) system > including finder, and inserted the install disk for Mac OS X Snow Leopard.) > I put the guest OS (the one in the emulator) at full screen, and from there, > isnatlled Mac OS X Snow Leopard, and since then, updated it to Mac OS X > 10.6.3, or build 10D578. > > -- > Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
www.macosxapplications.com 4 GB is impossible... If you do not change your mainboard with an amiga mainboard and install... 2010/6/11 Mark Sokolovsky : > okay, i will post a video on sunday, but anywhere i can get a screen > recording program for Mac OS X? > > > -- > Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
I need advice on esata external
I got a powerbook and macbook pro... I have been using 2.5 inch external e-sata discs with express and pcmcia cards... My home folders on external e-sata discs while my system remain on internal discs. 10.5 and 10.6 i have been using... I use them for mobility and become faster and bigger storage... What you recommend or think on my usage... Lately i am thinking on put 2 fast and big HD on my 3.5 inch esata cases... and replica with my 2.5 inch mobile devices... For faster speed but no moblity... How can i make it happen? Any replication software exist for this kind of home folder replication in bettween discs? Thanks. -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
hmmm... G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83) > Intel i7 Quad core > @2.6Ghz.(7.79) Those software is optimized for G5 and but not optimized for i7 i guess... 2010/5/10 Mark Sokolovsky : > Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that > when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than > the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed. > Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is > more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is > nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did > some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my > scale. > Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is > 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.) > > 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0) > 1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0) > 900Mhz PowerPC G3 (16.5) > 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4) > 1400Mhz Intel P3 (06.7) > > Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3 > times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed, > and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job > Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested > a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at > 2.6Ghz. And here are the results: > > (Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC > G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83) > Intel i7 Quad core > @2.6Ghz.(7.79) > > Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the > PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5 > years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what > Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5 > series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any > competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of > development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the > line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against > the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even > to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new > contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or > even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in > the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful > and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle > and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions > still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will > be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very > few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history, > because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make > the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or > maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by > Apple. > > -- > Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: File Recovery
use Data Rescue on orginal disc not you backed up from... Do not download from your existing system... and start from CD or DVd after burn... You may look other options but i recommend http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/data-rescue-3-emergency-hard-drive-recovery-file-recovery/ Other options that i tried before for different cases BUT NEVER WRITE ANYTHING ON THE DISCS that you try to rescue and NEVER USE THEM. Data rescue take data from them and write another disc, no change on old drive... That's the best way. 2010/4/28 Cliff Rediger : > >> On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Dan wrote: >> > This is why we recommend using CarbonCopyCloner for making backups. >> > >> > On Apr 28, 8:52 am, Bruce Johnson > wrote: >> It's a bit disconcerting to make a complete backup, knowing you have >> just a handful of file and folders on your desktop, then restore from >> the SAME backup, and suddenly seeing mounds and mounds of files on the >> desktop. :-/ > > As I mentioned, I'm using SuperDuper. > Not sure how it might compare to CCC, but > I entirely duplicate my working HD. > Thing is, the TB HD (AV storage) was/is NOT backed up, and there's the > rub. > I figured use and therefore risk was minimal, which does not account > for "user stupid error". > > Cliff > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: File Recovery
what system u are using... i may recommend Data Rescue http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/data-rescue-3-emergency-hard-drive-recovery-file-recovery/ but, wait... till more information come... you must download and burn as CD and start form CD or DVD. No touch to your existing drive.. and get your data from old drive to another drive. That is the best case and blueprint of a successful rescue. Never touch or change your existing data or HD... 2010/4/28 Cliff Rediger : > Color me stupid. > > I have two 100 GB drives: one's my basic boot drive (D1) and I > SuperDuper copy to the other (D2) as backup. > > When I travel to where my wife is taking care of her parents, I back > up to the second drive, take it with me and boot from it thru her > iBook. > > I also have a tera byte drive (D3) that I use for storing av stuff, > like video projects, ripped DVDs etc. > Last I looked it had about 250 GB unused space on it. > > Here's the rub. I backed up and packed up D2 & D3 and drove to Santa > Barbara. > There I discovered that I must have inadvertently backed up D1 to D3 > as all the AV files are gone. > > Swell. OK. what to do? > Local Mac shop whats $300+ to recover. > Looks like file recovery software runs about $100. Any > recommendations for what works. > And, of course, I might just let it go. > > Advise and comments appreciated. > Cliff > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I have an idea...
hmmm... thanks for that i will try on my 9600 2010/4/21 Doug McNutt : > At 04:49 +0300 4/21/10, Baha Ata wrote: >>And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9... > > Are you, and everyone else, aware of Classilla? > <http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/> > > -- > --> Give me liberty or give me Obamacare <-- > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I have an idea...
take out all Intel code from Leopard... and optimize all Leopard code again for highest performance for PPC... it is become dark leopard... or black leopard... Make it! if you can... it is better than snow leopard on PPC :) Or if you can, why not add support USB 2 to Mac OS 9... it will be perfect... or some addons for Mac OS 9 for ability choosing Firewire or USB disc full speed start up... And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9... Those are mine wish list! Really good wish list! 2010/4/20 Mark Sokolovsky : > I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the > PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do > see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard. > Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a > longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal? > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT; Apple in negotiation with AMD ?
There is EFI bios usb solutions out there already with right or choosen hardware Pc can work with Mac Os X without hack with orginal DVD of Mac OS X 2010/4/17 Dan > At 3:45 PM -0400 4/17/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: > >> I was just curious on how this is possible. >> > > Mac == a PC standard mb + EFI + a specific selection of processors, buses, > and peripherals. > > To slap Mac OS X on a PC, you need two things: A PC with the right > combination of hardware, and a wedge to make BIOS smell like EFI. That's > what the Hacintosh project(s) are all about. > > Start here: > http://www.osx86project.org/ > > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT; Apple in negotiation with AMD ?
nice comments... I wish to see an AMD transaction... I guess AMD will over focus it because of getting lack of power on compition with Intel. I guess AMD will supply new flagship processors for Apple only for limited time and two companies come together. And Apple will may use it with getting bargain prices from Intel If you like to add comment on it on our website please comment on www.macosxapplications.com Thanks. 2010/4/17 Mark Sokolovsky > I was just curious on how this is possible. I know that just any computer > with OS X is not a Mac. It wo't feel like a mac, or work like one, or even > come close to looking like one, unless you have a real mac. I only want to > know how this is possible to shake out some rumors i have still stuck in my > head. Other than that, only a real mac like the PowerPC systems and the > Intel Macs can look work and feel like one. If Mac OS X is on a PC, it will > be incompatible with everything. The Mac OS X system will be ok, but the PC > will act like a meanie and tease OS X. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
I got a pismo g3 400 for a project, your thoughts and help welcomed.
I got a pismo g3 400. without screen and hd. case broken but all other hardware is ok. I plan to obtain a Pismo screen from ebay and convert it to a picture frame with iTunes server ability or pre-anfi. I am curious about RF... Do u know any RF remote commander for it, or i need stick with RF usb devices? I am glad to have extra parts for security, anyone has broken Pismo wish to share its parts for my project. Any recommendation? Running 10.4 for this kind of system will be good i guess, any other OS recommendation. I will have 1 GB memory. 60 GB IDE HD. No DVD or CD rom i plan to have. Remote keyboar and mouse ( probably mouse with hand mouse ability) with bluetooth will be wonderful but is it possible with pismo? Any wireless card recommendation? I plan to stick on g3 400 with default CPU, is it okey with itunes working with mp3... Is it possible this play Divx? with this CPU (ofcourse no possiblity i guess Hi-def) Thanks. -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Best OS for MDD (Possible OT)
if there is dual 1.4 on MDD or more, why not 10.5 2010/4/7 Albert Carter > I hear you on this. > > I went from Macintosh Plus (original OS) to a Macintosh IIsi (7.6.1) to a > G4 Quicksilver 933 running Mac OSX Server 10.4. Huge Gaps. > > Albert > > > -- > *From:* dorayme > *To:* g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Tue, April 6, 2010 4:03:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: Best OS for MDD > > > (You know, I basically went from 6 to 8 and barely knew 7 (a brief > installation of 7 on an SE30 to work a printer for a few months when > overseas), I am doing the MacOS leap again from Tiger to Snow! Not sure if > any other regular Mac users have these huge holes in their Mac histories. > ) > > -- > dorayme > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Seeking editors or contributors for PPC Applications Web Site
I am not native English speaker, sorry about my grammar but i think i can handle communication. What you recommend instead of McAfee, why not McAfee... Do u like to post about it in our macosxapplications.com with native grammar. Why not joing us! Thanks for your response. 2010/2/20 Kasey Smith > Cool site, except for the McAfee antivirus ad. However, this email was what > i would consider spam and its also got bad grammar... > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http:/I > /www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml<http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml> > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Seeking editors or contributors for PPC Applications Web Site
Hello, After release Snow Leopard, all PPC family of Mac will be offically going in rip... In near future finding software for them become hard as happened to Mac OS 9 and prior systems. We got a site that collecting information and necessary links for Mac OS X Applications in various hardware platforms. We are looking contributors, testers, editors for our section for PPC. Please if you intersted or you have some thoughts fell free email to me personally. Please send your answeres to baha...@gmail.com not to group. Because it may be releated subject but not directly releated. Thanks to all of you. The site: www.macosxapplications.com -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5 on a G5
Do u try it http://www.macosxapplications.com/video/popcorn-3-universal-dvd-copy-video-conversion-mac-os/ I have been using it in PPC 10.5.8 on powerbook G4 1.67 2010/2/19 John Carmonne > > On Feb 19, 2010, at 6:10 AM, Ted Treen wrote: > > > John Carmonne wrote: > >> On Feb 19, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Trickster wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hey guys, > >>> Everyone was a big help on my last post about moving a hard drive, > >>> thank you much for everything. Wanted to get peoples opinions on > >>> running 10.5 on a G5 1.8, 7 gigs of ram 160 gig HD. Opinion on the > >>> net seems to be mixed, with some saying is great, others saying is > >>> bad, some saying it gets better as the OS is updated. Does anyone have > >>> any personal experience with this? > >>> > >>> Thanks again > >>> Peter > >>> > >> > >> AFAIK all is OK for 10.5.8 on the PM G5 but I've never been able to rip > a DVD on any PPC with Leopard 10.5.8. So for my goto I choose Tiger on PPCs. > >> > >> > >> John Carmonne > >> Yorba Linda USA > >> > >> > >> > > > > The problem almost certainly is not specific to the PPC & 10.5.8 - it's > far more likely that your versions of ripping S/W and/or Toast are not > supported under Leopard. > > > > IIRC, there were several S/W packages which became less-than-useful after > the release of 10.5. > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > Negetory, all my rippers MTR, MDRP, and Ripit work on Intel 10.5.8, > 10.6.2 and PPC 10.4.11, the only combo that doesn't work is PPC 10.5.8, > Anyone that can do it please tell me how. I've been at this for a long > time:-) > > John Carmonne > Yorba Linda USA > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downgrade from iMac/10.6 to PM G5/10.5
I had time machine backup, i got powerbook 15 inch 1.67 and restore its 10.5 to the core2duo 17 inch 2.33 without not big problem. now it works.. just i reinstall some applications because of native Intel i wish to use... and some serial input for some programs other than everything is same with my powerbook and core 2 duo macbook pro... But downgrade is not possible IMO, cause probably it wont be PPC programs or hybrid software for PPC. So when you restore 10.6 on PPC, it wont work... But if you install 10.5 on it and afterwards backup and restore it will. I recommend as others backup first your data. And do not use that backup for restore... After backup, downgrade, reinstall 10.5 and backup and try restore on your old Mac. 2010/2/15 Bruce Johnson > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Timo V wrote: > > For the record, I have used MobileMe and Time Machine for a year, now. >> Never had to use those backups, though, and assume they won't restore >> anyway! >> > > I don't know about Mobile Me, but it's quite easy to restore from a Time > Machine backup. > > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Transfering files
what is the system 2010/2/8 stevo137 : > I want to transfer files from a g3 to a g4. Do I just need a firewire? > Or do i need software too? > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
For you best is the 10.4 Period. 400 Mhz. That's the reason. 10.5 is not offically supported but even you can install it will be slow on your Mac. 2010/1/15 stevo137 > I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 > panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 > tiger? > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
it is G4 350, limit of Tiger recommendation... Definetly disable spotlight and dashboard. 2010/1/7 Bruce Johnson > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Baha Ata wrote: > > i recommend 10.3 with 1.5 GB Ram or at least 756 Ram. >> > > > > Recommending 10.3 for any but very specific compatibility issues is a bad > idea, IMHO. It's becoming increasingly incompatible with the modern OS X > world. > > > > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
i recommend 10.3 with 1.5 GB Ram or at least 756 Ram. Buy SSD Ram's from Ebay. 512 MB sticks x3 or 256 MB sticks x 3. Probably you have 128 MB x3. Forget them. 2010/1/7 Tim Renner > Hi all, it's my first post. Hope you can help. > > I love enabling my mom to use her G4 with OS 9.2.2 and nineties era > Microsoft Word, but her old printer died and we scored an All-in-One printer > very cheap. When we got it home I realized, duh, there's no way in *heck* > that the new Lexmark 9575 is going to have a driver for OS9. Works great > with her windows machine though. I briefly flirted with using "Print Driver > Utility" or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT > protocol print jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to > work. Is this a viable tactic? Is there another solution? > > Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! > Tim > > P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone > of her writing workflow. It would probably be a Panther system, according to > my research about how far to go with the hardware: G4 Sawtooth, 350MHz CPU / > AGP / 320 MB RAM. > -- > ɯoɔ˙lıɐ�...@ssɐqxpd > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire ports stop working?
as Adrian mentioned, i experienced overpowered issue... chck cables.. clean up... maybe look inside and clean up it too.. have look overall... cleaning. chcking cables... and start machine without externals and open externals one by one... 2009/12/30 Hal > Anyone have the experience with their G5 where all 3 of the firewire ports > (2 in back, 1 in front) all stop working? > Even with nothing connected to the firewire ports, when I go into system > profiler, I see "warning: no information is available about firewire > devices". > > I'm running 10.5.8 on a quad G5. I had 2 external firewire 800 drives > connected and was copying files from 1 to another (about 800GB of data) when > the drives dropped off and now I get nothing. I also have an Apple cinema > display connected, and had that plugged into the rear FW400 port, to enable > me to use the ports on the display, though I haven't used them in a long > time. > > Any help is appreciated. > > -Hal > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Large format printer
Xerox 7360... Best one you can buy... A3 Duplex printer... Consider it as top choice... She can print even magazine with it. 2009/12/22 Kyle Hansen > Does anyone know of a large format LASERJET printer? I have a friend who > wants to replace her Epson 2000 with a Laserjet equivalent and I have never > heard of such a beast. Any help would be appreciated. She's wealthy so > cost probably doesn't matter. > --- > The first time Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be > when they start making vacuum cleaners > --- > > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
In my expreince and readings at most %8 speed difference and generally %5 speed difference inbetween 10.4 and 10.5. Even i try 10.4 on my powerbook after i install 10.5 because of recovery and returned back 10.5. I fell no difference in gui ( I always disable transparent dock and dashboard applications). I am using probably exactly same 5600 drive or 5400... Seagate Barracuda. But if i will go to buy i will definetly go to 7200 drive. Max out ram, your ATI 64 MB and includes every core aspects. Simpy even for Filezilla i rather choose 10.5. And 10.5 is a current system. 10.6 is just fixation. 2009/12/7 mythmaker18 > The drive already has Tiger on it (and I've already run 'disable Tiger > features' and stripped out the unnecessary languages, G3 support, etc > for optimisation), so I may stick with that. > > By the way, I put a 5400 in there rather than looking for a 7200 > because some people online seemed to be of the opinion that the 7200 > drives might run a bit hot in these 'books and may also to cause > battery life to take a hit. At least it's not the original slower > drive... > > As for newer OSes generally being slower, maybe it's just me, but with > OSX, I've generally found 10.4 to be a lot faster on my machines than > 10.3, so that's pretty much why I was asking the question, since > although this has been true for me in the past, I wasn't so sure 10.5 > would give any speed gain (due to the use of Core), despite this 'book > being within the acceptable specs to do an install. > > And I'm just now realising I probably should've posted this in the G4 > 'books forum. Clicked the wrong button in my favourites bar! > > I don't imagine putting 10.5 on my Digital Audio 733 G4 would be such > a great idea, eh, even though it's got maxed RAM and a 7200 rpm drive? > Guess it also depends on video card and that's a whole other ball of > wax (I don't have the stock card installed: it's a GeForce 2mx or 4mx, > I think, whatever the stock card was in the dual 867MHz Quicksilvers). > > Andy > > On Dec 7, 9:12 am, Richard Gerome wrote: > >I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience > in the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down... I > would hang on to the Leopard disc just in case you start having trouble with > Tiger but I don't see this anytime soon... I would max out the memory though > if you are looking for more speed and performance!!! > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: mythmaker18 > > >Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:41 AM > > >To: G-Group > > >Subject: Leopard or Tiger? > > > > >I recently purchased a 17" 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was > > >wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS > > >to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. > > > > >I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between > > >1.5 and 2GB of RAM. > > > > >Speed is more important to me than simply being more "current". Thanks > > >for your opinions. > > > > >Andy > > > > >-- > > >You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group > for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on > Power Macs. > > >The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our > netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > >To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > >For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
Chose 7200 rpm drive... instead of large and slow 5400 if you looking every inch responsiveness... I am using a 1.67 Powerbook 15 inch Hi-Res with 10.5. In my opinion never fall 2 version behind if you use the system in working computer. So 10.5 is okey for to use it. Just disable some selectable 3D appereance menus and dashboard... Go directly 2 GB memory... Withy 2 GB memory i can use CS4 application other than Video applications good and infact in production environment for web. But yes it is slugshy a little but good for mobile working environment. Speed diffrence of two system is raughly %5, max %8... With 7200 rpm drive and 2 GB memory it will be ok i guess. 2009/12/7 mythmaker18 > I recently purchased a 17" 1.33GHz Powerbook G4 (Aluminum) and was > wondering which would be the best (as far as speed/responsiveness) OS > to install on this Mac: 10.4 or 10.5? I have install discs for both. > > I will be moving over a 5400RPM drive and will be installing between > 1.5 and 2GB of RAM. > > Speed is more important to me than simply being more "current". Thanks > for your opinions. > > Andy > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Data Recovery Part 2
ah hmmm... you must download rescue 3 provided link and boot from rescue 3 cd 2009/11/15 Paul > Unfortunately, connecting the drive to a Mac (running Tiger) creates a > few files automatically, such as .DS_Store and .Trashes. Connecting it > to a PC creates a "Recycled" file for the Windows recycling bin. I > didn't see a way to make the drive read only. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Data Recovery Part 2
good thing share your expeirence after please 2009/11/15 Paul > As far as I know, none of the tools I used changed the disk at all. > > Now that I looked at it and found out what it's for, the companion > utility to Testdisk - Photorec - looks more promising for what I'm > trying to do. It finds deleted files, rather than deleted partitions. > There's a version for Mac, Windows, and Linux. And it's free. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Data Recovery Part 2
than recovering a directory structure lost by formatting Try test disc with deep search... do not use lots of recovey tools that change disc architecture... For Data Rescue... http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/data-rescue-3-emergency-hard-drive-recovery-file-recovery/ 2009/11/15 Paul > Testdisk seems more suitable for fixing partition problems, rather > than recovering a directory structure lost by formatting. The demo > versions of both File Salvage and Data Rescue have brought up a bunch > of working files. Since the disk is formatted FAT32 (but formatted on > a Mac by Disk Utility), I had tried it on a PC, but there several > different recovery tools found lots of files, but they were unreadable. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Backups? !!!
I never trusted tapes... hard to protect them... I had lost 50 GB (lots of tapes) 5 years ago... 2009/11/13 t...@io.com > > > On Nov 11, 10:01 am, Dan wrote: > > At 7:28 AM -0800 11/11/2009, t...@io.com wrote: > > > > >Is Retrospect out of the running? > > > > If your need is to backup to mag tape, or to handle hundreds of Macs, > > then Retrospect is a decent solution. For the rest, it's pretty much > > bloatware now. ...I'm just starting to look at Zmanda (the open > > source solution Bruce mentions in his reply). It looks interesting! > > > > >I've used Retrospect since about version 2.1, but I'm unsure what the > > >move to EMC may have wrought. > > > > It isn't pretty. > > > Bottom line - for personal/home/small office backups, use CCC or > > SuperDuper as your primary. And if you feel the need for versioning > > during the day, use Time Machine *also*. > > Thank you, Dan. I appreciate the info. I'm still using tape but > have been considering (and rejecting) other options. I'm also kind of > rejecting tape, which is why I don't have a regular backup solution > right now. > > I like to have multiple backups which can easily be taken off line and > off site and none of the solutions are really looking attractive, > given the capacity of modern hard drives these days. > > But I still have this stash of unused 4mm tape, so I might as well use > that up before I switch... > > Jeff Walther > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Data Recovery Part 2
You may try Test Disk for especially for Windows partion... it is free... and it may find your volume and you may recover it. Go on their site and carefully read it. If you do not use any other program or anything you may rescue your data One above recommend software i used (Data Rescue 3) for Mac OS X, i do not have experience on Windows volumes with it. I have lots of experience with Test Disk on Windows even ntfs volumes. If you made quick format and do not write anything after wards definetly you will rescue volume (larger disk needs time for search and build data order) but please read carefull from Test Disk official site before it. Under link have some special experience about Test Disk on Mac OS X volumes... you may find orginal site of test disk in there. http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/testdisk-photorec-6-11-3-data-recovery/ 2009/11/12 John Musbach > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Paul wrote: > > Has anyone tried File Salvage? Do you know where to get it for less > > than the $70-$80 prices I've seen? > > If your files really aren't worth all that much to you then why go > through all this effort? ;-) Really, if the files are worth this much > effort I'd think $80 would be a small price to pay to get them back. > > > -- > Best Regards, > > John Musbach > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Data Recovery Part 2
Data Rescue 3 one of the best software for rescue data Focusing rescue... You may have look... I have experienced similiar problems http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/data-rescue-3-emergency-hard-drive-recovery-file-recovery/ 'Today, one of my powerbook’s system hardisc gone away without any prior warning. 120 GB data gone… my laptop suddenly died. i need a laptop data recovery software? While i try to fixing unfixable, i accidentally erase backup disc (320 GB data gone) partition table… and format it. Even i tried recover partition table with *testdisk* and *pdisk*, i could not succeded. After 10 hours work, i decide get the data only from old drive to somewhere else. *Data Rescue 3* is the program that is the most talented and most successful among others. Here is the info about it' 2009/11/12 Paul > A couple of months ago, I reported trying to recover an external hard > drive used on a Mac but formatted as FAT32. I believe it was wiped out > by Disk Utility doing a quick format. Recovery attempts under Windows > got a lot of files, but barely any were readable. > > I'd post a continuation on the old thread, but I'm only given the > "Reply to Author" option, and I assume that means the message wouldn't > be public. > > A local Mac guy suggested running File Salvage on a Mac, and right now > the trial version is churning through the disk. It won't let me save > anything, but its previews are showing what look like a lot of working > files. > > Has anyone tried File Salvage? Do you know where to get it for less > than the $70-$80 prices I've seen? > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Backups? !!!
hmmm... i might try it... if i can... i will report it 2009/11/11 Bruce Johnson > > > On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > > > Any PC software that can backup Apple's from PC? For networks... it > > will be > > my last question. > > Big enterprise solutions like Arcserve offer Mac clients. > > I did find this open source enterprise backup: > > <http://www.zmanda.com/> which has an OS X client: > > <http://www.zmanda.com/amanda-client-macintosh.html> > > Hmmm. I hadn't run across this before > > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Backups? !!!
thanks bruce and others... i am a noivice in Apple world, just seriously using this machines for a year (even i smiliar with them since 1988). Any PC software that can backup Apple's from PC? For networks... it will be my last question. 2009/11/10 Bruce Johnson > > > On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:52 AM, iJohn wrote: > > > > > What advantage is there to using these other apps beyond what Apple's > > Disk Utility would provide? > > > CCC lets you schedule copies and maintains an up-to-date version, only > copying files that have changed. > > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Backups? !!!
are there any good if not better alternatives for Time Machine? 2009/11/10 Bruce Johnson > > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Dan wrote: > > > > > At 12:14 AM +0200 11/10/2009, Baha Ata wrote: > >> I use Time Machine with 24 hours backup intervals with 1.5 TB > >> External nowadays... > > > > Have you had any problems with Time Machine? > > I've been running it since I updated to 10.5 and haven't hand more > than minor issues. > > Occasionally I'd get the error that the media was read-only; > unmounting, unplugging, then remounting my (USB-based) Time Machine > volume would fix it; I think it's a bit of flakiness in the WD MyBook > case. > > I've done or witnesses two complete restores form TM, and both > proceeded flawlessly. > > The main issue was TM just bogging things down every hour on the hour, > I reset it to run every 6 hours and life's been a lot smoother since > then: > > <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=200710291721156> > > I also have the advantage of being able to exclude some of the most > volatile directories, like ~/Library/Mail because we run an IMAP > server, my mail doesn't live on my system, and I excluded the cache > directories. I don't know if TM does that automatically, but I figured > an explicit exclusion couldn't hurt. > > I also keep it from backing up my Virtual Machine directory (for > Fusion); I'll make a manual copy of the VM file when Fusion isn't when > I make major changes to it, but ther'es no need to back up a 20 or 30 > gb file every day. > > If you have scratch directories for Photoshop and the like, exclude > those as well. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Backups? !!!
Perfomance problems, other than that... i tried small restores... i never tried full restore... There are other people probably here might have deeper experiences... I was generally type of guy until last disaster of mine 2009/11/10 Dan > > At 12:14 AM +0200 11/10/2009, Baha Ata wrote: > >I use Time Machine with 24 hours backup intervals with 1.5 TB > >External nowadays... > > Have you had any problems with Time Machine? > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Backups? !!!
These are the software i trust something minor that i can rescue http://www.macosxapplications.com/tag/data-recovery/ These are the setting that i arrange 24 hours for timemachine for not stopping me hourly intervals http://www.macosxapplications.com/news/intel-apple-microsoft-probe-iphonewindows-sync-bug/ 2009/11/9 Dan > > At 6:45 AM +1100 11/10/2009, Stewie de Young wrote: > >I personally install a second hard drive in all my desktop computers . > > Good to have extra drives for backup, but keeping them hot (powered, > spun up, and/or mounted) leaves them vulnerable to both hardware > failures and software "attacks". > > >When I have enough data to fill a DVD or CD I burn that to disc and > >store it in her garage, usually wiping the data off her drive. > > Temperature controlled garage? Burned optical media are quite temp & > humidity sensitive. > > >A bit too far you think > > No. Sounds like a decent strategy to me. > > Everyone should keep a set of backups off-site; even if it's just > stashed in a friend's sock drawer. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Backups? !!!
second hardisc is not the solution if time travel needs for your rescue... i lost 3 TB data because of electric problem in Turkey... Those discs are backuped internal other 3 TB And yes i got good UPS But all of them gone... Remote backup or just a handy external HD is the answer... I use Time Machine with 24 hours backup intervals with 1.5 TB External nowadays... Because i need the open my workstation for 24 hours and something migth happen that i need to stop prevent further disaster but i could not be there as i lived. 2009/11/9 Dan > > At 6:45 AM +1100 11/10/2009, Stewie de Young wrote: > >I personally install a second hard drive in all my desktop computers . > > Good to have extra drives for backup, but keeping them hot (powered, > spun up, and/or mounted) leaves them vulnerable to both hardware > failures and software "attacks". > > >When I have enough data to fill a DVD or CD I burn that to disc and > >store it in her garage, usually wiping the data off her drive. > > Temperature controlled garage? Burned optical media are quite temp & > humidity sensitive. > > >A bit too far you think > > No. Sounds like a decent strategy to me. > > Everyone should keep a set of backups off-site; even if it's just > stashed in a friend's sock drawer. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NTFS formatted carry to Sawtooth
Have a look this program http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/paragon-ntfs-mac-v703/ 2009/10/11 Nestamicky > > I thought I'd run this here quick, as I'm sure someone here would have > wanted to do same. > > I have a rather large HD that's formatted in NTFS and has tons of data > on it that I'd like installed as a secondary drive in my Sawtooth. > Question is: if I pop it in, as secondary, would it need to be > reinitialized with the possibility of loosing my data? Is there a tool > out there that would mount it without problems of loosing data, or > reformatting? Thanks a lot! > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: icons
sometimes macosxapplications.com gives some new icons or icon program free tryouts. 2009/10/7 roger deghetto > > im looking for sites that have high quality os x icons for the dock > etc i know of deviantart and interfacelift anyone else have any others > > thanks in advance > roger > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
i am writing this from a power pc g4 1.67 watching a 720p alexandare... yes i need pause it for writing this. i can listen moby's last album in last version of itunes... i am running a 10.5.7 with 2 GB ram... yes i am running with actual production machine for home with CS4 series... with only 5200 rpm drive... yes it is a powerbook G4 in his 4 years... think about 4 years old Windows with Intel... what they can use now? 2009/7/8 Liam Proven > > 2009/7/7 Bruce Johnson : > > > > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > > >> IBM had problems? Not as I recall. POWER was doing great. PowerPC was > >> merely an adaptation of the high-end POWER multi-chip processors into > >> a lower-end single-chip device utilising the Motorola 88000 bus, > >> designed for PC-type kit. > > > > > > IBM never managed a low power G5, and Moro couldn't get more > > performance outof the PPC series. Apple (along with all the other PC > > manufacturers) live and die by their laptop lines, and the inability > > of either Moto or IBM to deliver low power, high performance chips > > suited for laptops was strangling Apple there. > > I presume that the first "Moro" = "Moto"? > > Well, the thing is, there I was talking about the genesis of the > PowerPC in the early 1990s and you're talking about its effective end > in the mid-noughties. The problems that caused its creation were > unrelated to those that caused its demise. > > -- > Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 > AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven > MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for a G4 AGP?
Sonnet SATA cards... Look to ebay... You may look PCI Sonnet Sata cards... There is some alternatives according to Chipsets but really some other experts may give models (Pc models that work for Apple) for cheaper alternatives. 2009/6/15 joe > Just looking at harddrive prices for larger drives, it seems that it might > be worth my while to get a SATA controller card. > I don't know anything about them, though. Is there anything in particular > I should look for? Can I buy any SATA card, or does it have to specify "for > Mac"? > > TIA, > > Joe > > == > Joe the Juggler > 4148 Wyoming St. > St. Louis, MO 63116 > (314) 771-3243 > http://joethejuggler.com > == > > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The powerpc now and in the future....
performance consideration... and those emulators is not working that kind of things... 2009/6/11 Kris Tilford > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Dan wrote: > > > As emulators go, Rosetta - the black box that makes PPC stuff run on > > x86 Macs - is pretty good. > > Now we need the opposite emulator, the one that will allow future > Intel x86 only code to run on our PPC Macs. I doubt this will ever > exist, but it would certainly be welcomed. > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The powerpc now and in the future....
PowerMac 9600 *Open Suse 10.3* and System 9.2 dual boot (512 MB Ram, G4 400 Sonnet, USB2 + Firewire 400 Cambo Card)PowerMac 7200 System 9.1 (384 Mb Ram, G 400 Sonnet + Tempo 66 Card) Powerbook 1.67 15 Hi-Res Mac Os 10.5, *Open Suse 11+ *Dual Boot ( 2 GB DDR2 Ram, Firewire 800 External HD) PowerMac G4 Sawtooth 400 barely working with 10.3, good with *Open Suse 11+*(I guess it is because of Graphic Card, Ram 1 GB) PowerMac MDD Dual 867 (CPU's burned out, need replacement) was working good with Mac OS X 10.4 with 2 GB Ram Those my Apples with their linuxes... Powerbook is very good with 10.5 and Suse... I am only get angry with Hi-Def movies or IMovie 09... at least request G5 or dual G5 2009/6/11 tortoise > > Well this is sort of an anti-reply to the "orphaned" thread. > > I have been happily dual booting Linux and MacOS's for about 5 years > now. > > I have os8 and debian lenny on two quadras. > I have os9 and debian squeeze on a powerbookG3 250 (that's the next > upcoming version of Linux) and it works well for me. > > Those guys were orphaned a long time ago but I still use them ! > > _ > > Also, the POWER architecture is not going away in the least despite > Apple being against it. Nearly every game console uses it , most of > the world's fastest computers, and most automobiles, and nearly all > the unmanned space missions > (the last two are just moving up to the G3)... > > Never mind the mid-level machines, > > Anyway Debian will not abandon the powerpc, only their owners can do > that. > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerBook or MacBook
i am agree with jonas... if you need real elegant machine i go powerbook 15... if you have budget go mac book pro 15 inch... i do not recommend white book line screen size, firewire, resolution... 2009/5/31 Jonas Ulrich > > I would go with the PPC PowerBook. I had a 1.83GHZ Core 2 Duo macbook > and sold it for a PB 1.67GHZ High-Rez. You can get soo much more out > of the powerbook: > > PowerBook 1.67GHZ > > DL Superdrive > FW 400, 800 > DVI out > S-Video out > Bigger Screen > > Most of these things, the new macbook won't have. Granted the macbook > will be faster, it just won't have as much features as the powerbook. > > -Jonas > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Will S wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > Agreed, get the macbook you'll notice a world of difference in terms > of > >> > value and speed. While the G4 will do everything you want its a dying > >> > architecture. Also, did apple officially say PPC macs wont be > compatible > >> > with Snow Leopard? > > > > I'm reasonable sure that Apple has never said anything officially > > about the requirements for Snow Leopard. It has for a long time been > > widely speculated that PPC will be left behind with the release of > > Snow Leopard. As far as I can tell this speculation is based on two > > things . The developer versions of Snow Leopard only run on MacIntel > > machines. Second thing is Apples talk of cleaning up the code and > > making it small & fast. I'd say that does tilt the odds to Apple > > removing the PPC code. However if they wanted to they could make a > > version that runs on PPC . We should know for sure fairly soon. > > > > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
i can give you one reason... small reason Filezilla... the best ftp program for me on windows and mac os simple and relieable... Free! 2009/5/29 Kris Tilford > > On May 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > And my experience running 10.5 on my 1Ghz Powerbook, doing what I do > > with my computer, it's perfectly fine. > > It may be "fine", but what advantages does Leopard offer other than a > buggy, unreliable backup (Time Machine), and . . . Spaces? > > I bet you can't play video smoothly? Full resolution video won't play > smooth on my 1.58 GHz Mini under Leopard. > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
you giving 500 Mb ram benchmarks... i said 1 GB ram minimal... i can agree with you if 500 MB ram if i have... i mean 1 GB ram and above is a must with at least Nvdia 5200 64 Mb and more (i do not test it above i cannot give gurantee) But with this sepcs all productivity software will run like tiger... 2009/5/29 Baha Ata > totally agree with bruce... if you have desktop eaven i recçommend if you > need consider graphic card and ram upgrade... it will give you a good > machine and it jill be on time. > > 2009/5/29 Bruce Johnson > > >> >> On May 28, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: >> >> > >> > I bet you can't play video smoothly? Full resolution video won't play >> > smooth on my 1.58 GHz Mini under Leopard. >> >> DVD's and Youtubes play perfectly fine on my 1GHZ DVI Powerbook. >> >> Don't know what you mean 'full resolution video'; do you mean 1080p >> HD? If so, I really doubt it. >> >> But aagin, as I said, it depends on what you're doing with it. Web >> browsing, writing, iPhoto and suchlike on the road, and I'm very happy >> with having a working Spotlight, Spaces and suchlike. >> >> For you, it's not worth it, for me it's just fine, as well as very >> handy to have all my systems at the same OS level. >> >> This is why I recommend against blanket pronouncements like yours that >> 'Never run 10.5 on a PPC machine!' because it just doesn't hold water. >> >> -- >> Bruce Johnson >> University of Arizona >> College of Pharmacy >> Information Technology Group >> >> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Baha Ata > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
totally agree with bruce... if you have desktop eaven i recçommend if you need consider graphic card and ram upgrade... it will give you a good machine and it jill be on time. 2009/5/29 Bruce Johnson > > > On May 28, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > > > > I bet you can't play video smoothly? Full resolution video won't play > > smooth on my 1.58 GHz Mini under Leopard. > > DVD's and Youtubes play perfectly fine on my 1GHZ DVI Powerbook. > > Don't know what you mean 'full resolution video'; do you mean 1080p > HD? If so, I really doubt it. > > But aagin, as I said, it depends on what you're doing with it. Web > browsing, writing, iPhoto and suchlike on the road, and I'm very happy > with having a working Spotlight, Spaces and suchlike. > > For you, it's not worth it, for me it's just fine, as well as very > handy to have all my systems at the same OS level. > > This is why I recommend against blanket pronouncements like yours that > 'Never run 10.5 on a PPC machine!' because it just doesn't hold water. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
there is no machine 1.58 Ghz mini.. is it overclocked and in hot condition? is it fnished indexing? 2009/5/29 Kris Tilford > > On May 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > And my experience running 10.5 on my 1Ghz Powerbook, doing what I do > > with my computer, it's perfectly fine. > > It may be "fine", but what advantages does Leopard offer other than a > buggy, unreliable backup (Time Machine), and . . . Spaces? > > I bet you can't play video smoothly? Full resolution video won't play > smooth on my 1.58 GHz Mini under Leopard. > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
simply... stop... anybody have faster than 1 Ghz cpu and over 1 GB ram.. clean install leopard, if large discs let it open and active 2 days... it will be workable and good. you do not use G4 for editining commercial movies so benchmarks? forget it. all productive programs other than office (even in tiger ofiice is slow) work as tiger... If your graphic card is good... certainly leopard is ok. 2009/5/29 Kris Tilford > > On May 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > And my experience running 10.5 on my 1Ghz Powerbook, doing what I do > > with my computer, it's perfectly fine. > > It may be "fine", but what advantages does Leopard offer other than a > buggy, unreliable backup (Time Machine), and . . . Spaces? > > I bet you can't play video smoothly? Full resolution video won't play > smooth on my 1.58 GHz Mini under Leopard. > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
optimised is not "bold" world for 10.5 anything faster than 1000 Mhz or dual cpu above 800 Mhz can handle this 10.5 No slowing down, if exist it will be %4 If possible just add rams... If possible change video card higher it will be same with 10.4, especially on dual cpu machines. I am using 10.5 with Powerbook 1.33 It is slow 4200 rpm drive... All productivity task (iwork 09) and internet, and divx are fast... Finder is fast... Be aware,after upgrade indexing makes huge load... Try clean install and let it go with indexing after. It will getting normal usage in 1 day. 2009/5/28 artemis > > . . . but don't bother spending the money! > > On your PPC machine it'll just sloow everything down by 20% or > more. > > 10.5 is optimised for Intel Macs and will make yours run like treacle. > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.5
If you using that machine is your main computer... upgrade... If it is secondary... Just stay on 10.4 2009/5/23 > > > > Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone? > > Bailey > > -- > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps!<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=115%26bcd=Mayfooter52309NO115> > * > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
uptade was clean... just installation and restart after it was slow... but now my G4 Powerbook become so slow... anyone have same problem or feeling... responsiviness gone... what i need to do... it is getting hotter i guess too 2009/5/13 Po-en Tsai > > The 10.4.11 Security Update 2009-002 downloaded in ~3 mins and > installed fine. After installing, reboot took longer than usual, but > after the first reboot, the second rebot was fast again. > > Also, after the Security Update, there is Safari 3.2.3 to download. > > On 5/14/09, PeterH wrote: > > > > > > On May 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: > > > >> Just checked on my work DA running 10.4.11 and there is a Security > >> Update also available for 10.4. > >> > >> 77.3 MB, and downloading now, says 6 minutes, but we are on a low end > >> dsl here. > > > > My DA (dual 1.0 GHz QS 2002 processor) which is quad-booted with > > 10.5, 10.4, 10.3 Server and 10.3, had the update from 10.5.6 to > > 10.5.7 installed today, perfectly, from the very large Combo Update > > (which had been separately downloaded and written to a DVD), and > > 10.4.11 had the security update applied, perfectly as well. > > > > 10.4.11 is this computer's normal system, and it includes Classic. > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a <+> A home for the Hackintosh > > community. > > > > To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a > > +subscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
You catched my eyes.. What software you recommend for fixing batteries? May i need too. Thanks. 2009/5/13 Mike Baker > I would get a 10.4 family pack and upgrade the OS on both machines. If they > don't have Mac OS 9, I would consider getting 9.2.2 and installing that > first. I would definitely get I GB RAM for the laptop and replace the > battery, although you might want to try some of the software fixes for > batteries to see if they can revive the battery before getting a replacement > battery. > > --- On *Tue, 5/12/09, Baha Ata * wrote: > > > From: Baha Ata > Subject: Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are > they worth it? > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:21 PM > > > For my point of view, iMac version as you mentioned will be > determined. If i am in same shoes with him, i get rid off the ibook, > if it is higher iMac G5 focus on it. Buy more ram on it. Get 10.5 > system and walk through with no hassle and probably no spending. Rams > will be cheaper than ibook sale on ebay. With this way spending time > two diffrent performance machine will be away. Minimal G5 is far > faster than that ibook 933. So holding two of them together gives two > different feeling for beginner Apple user. I recommend one faster > machine for starting Apple world without any hassle. Spending any > bucks on that ibook 933 gives back nothing other than problems with > iMac G5. Who gets which computer, what system, mine is slower get me > other problems? :) > > 2009/5/12 Marty Levine > http://mc/compose?to=marty.lev...@gmail.com> > >: > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Baha Ata > > http://mc/compose?to=baha...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> > >> For G5 10.5, For ibook definetely 10.4... Even one of my powerbook > >> with 1.33 Mhz and 1.25 GB Ram with 167 Mhz data path with 10.5 become > >> slugy... Be aware those ibook's and powerbook's (12inches) uses 4200 > >> rmp drives. 10.4 is good for them. Smaller ram foot print...and lower > >> graphic and data transfer request... > >> > >> Adding Ram will be asset... But Ram+Battery will be arround $100 and > >> more... So think up selling 2 and buying 15.4 inch 1.67 Mhz Powerbook? > >> > >> 2009/5/12 Marty Levine > >> http://mc/compose?to=marty.lev...@gmail.com> > >: > >>> > >>> A friend of mine who has no Mac experience at all was given 2 Mac's by > >>> a friend of his wife. He has no idea if they are worth > >>> saving/upgrading and I am the only Mac person he knows. > >>> > >>> The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is > >>> either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine > >>> yet. He will be bringing it in soon > >>> > >>> The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, > >>> airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of > >>> maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. > >>> > >>> He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family > >>> which includes HS and middle school children. > >>> > >>> I am not sure he will want to invest much. He will need to buy an OS > >>> since we has not given any media. I am suggesting that he have both > >>> machines on the same OS so he only needs to learn on version of OSX. > >>> Now, the question is which one? For the G5 iMac, my opinion is 10.5 > >>> but not sure if that would be too much for the laptop. 10.4 for both? > >>> > >>> Until I found the "dead battery" I was going to recommend a 1gb > >>> upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not > >>> sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling > >>> the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his > >>> "new" Mac? > >>> > >>> Thanks for your recommendations - Marty > > > >> > >> Baha Ata > >> > >> > > Since my friend is totally new to Mac's and will have to buy the OS > > (LEM Swap List ?) I would think he is better off buying one OS (family > > pack) than two different versions. Even if he buys 2 copies of the > > same software, I would think he would want to learn only 1 new > > operating system. I've been on Mac's since '92 and never had to > > worrry about running 2 different versions of OS X. It might be > > overwhelming
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
For starters i always recommend better machines especially for kids... It gives the idea better... I was using C64, C128, Amiga at their prime? Why not my children have the computers near their prime! Battery + Ram upgrade for that ibook = Nearly $120+? Get rid off two together certainly buy a good powerbook 12 ich or 15.4? Powerbook 12 inch arround $400 nearly full load? Or interestingly buying one more ibook 933 from ebay cheaper? That include ram and some battery? 2009/5/13 Bruce Johnson > > > On May 12, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > > > For my point of view, iMac version as you mentioned will be > > determined. If i am in same shoes with him, i get rid off the ibook, > > if it is higher iMac G5 focus on it. > > It's a real pain in the butt to carry that iMac to the library or the > coffee shop, or the living room, for that matter. > > WHY is everyone telling this poor guy to get rid of a perfectly good > Mac? > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Powerbook 1.33 Mhz 12 inch G4 a little bit long install and a little bit long first start but ok. 2009/5/13 Bill Connelly > > I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat > spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... > > Could have changing my mobo affected my "SLA" connectivity? I didn't > think Apple was so saavy/picky. > > I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS > 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? > > Anyone having any problems on a PPC G4? being that 10.5 leans towards > Intel Macs ... > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
For my point of view, iMac version as you mentioned will be determined. If i am in same shoes with him, i get rid off the ibook, if it is higher iMac G5 focus on it. Buy more ram on it. Get 10.5 system and walk through with no hassle and probably no spending. Rams will be cheaper than ibook sale on ebay. With this way spending time two diffrent performance machine will be away. Minimal G5 is far faster than that ibook 933. So holding two of them together gives two different feeling for beginner Apple user. I recommend one faster machine for starting Apple world without any hassle. Spending any bucks on that ibook 933 gives back nothing other than problems with iMac G5. Who gets which computer, what system, mine is slower get me other problems? :) 2009/5/12 Marty Levine : > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> >> For G5 10.5, For ibook definetely 10.4... Even one of my powerbook >> with 1.33 Mhz and 1.25 GB Ram with 167 Mhz data path with 10.5 become >> slugy... Be aware those ibook's and powerbook's (12inches) uses 4200 >> rmp drives. 10.4 is good for them. Smaller ram foot print...and lower >> graphic and data transfer request... >> >> Adding Ram will be asset... But Ram+Battery will be arround $100 and >> more... So think up selling 2 and buying 15.4 inch 1.67 Mhz Powerbook? >> >> 2009/5/12 Marty Levine : >>> >>> A friend of mine who has no Mac experience at all was given 2 Mac's by >>> a friend of his wife. He has no idea if they are worth >>> saving/upgrading and I am the only Mac person he knows. >>> >>> The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is >>> either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine >>> yet. He will be bringing it in soon >>> >>> The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, >>> airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of >>> maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. >>> >>> He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family >>> which includes HS and middle school children. >>> >>> I am not sure he will want to invest much. He will need to buy an OS >>> since we has not given any media. I am suggesting that he have both >>> machines on the same OS so he only needs to learn on version of OSX. >>> Now, the question is which one? For the G5 iMac, my opinion is 10.5 >>> but not sure if that would be too much for the laptop. 10.4 for both? >>> >>> Until I found the "dead battery" I was going to recommend a 1gb >>> upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not >>> sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling >>> the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his >>> "new" Mac? >>> >>> Thanks for your recommendations - Marty > >> >> Baha Ata >> >> > Since my friend is totally new to Mac's and will have to buy the OS > (LEM Swap List ?) I would think he is better off buying one OS (family > pack) than two different versions. Even if he buys 2 copies of the > same software, I would think he would want to learn only 1 new > operating system. I've been on Mac's since '92 and never had to > worrry about running 2 different versions of OS X. It might be > overwhelming for a novice to have to struggle with 2 different > versions of 10.x Comments on that please? > > I have already recommended that he delay buying the battery and run > the system tehtered by its power cord and concentrate on RAM until he > is sure he wants to stay with the Macs. I can't wait to see what > version iMac he really has. > > -- Marty > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
it is ended. but... i cannot belive myself that i cannot explain what i am in... i must live in there i guess to understand or describe myself... Iam glad to have this conversasition, and taking pleasure. I am mean on it. Thanks. As moderator said topic closed. We will continue if you like with personal emails. BUT Please consider these::: Ask Apple: For example i bought two computer :) With system 10.5 One of them system disc lost? What will i do? Ask Apple: My neighbour got new G5 , i have a new G5, same model, same production number... " i lost my installation disc? can i barrow from my neighbour :)" Please ask these question to Apple Ask that could you use internet to get the copy of it? Not public server? That is the end. I guess. 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 12, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Baha Ata wrote: >> So... Do u really catch the >> point? > > > Look, Baha, don't be snarky. I understand what you're saying. The > thing is, what you're saying is wrong. > >> OEM licenses belong the machines not people > > Software licenses do not belong to machines. > >> All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No >> single Apple produced without system. > > Aside from a few Macs (like the Mac SE) that had OS's on their ROM > chips, all Apples are produced without an OS. They're all sold > *with* an OS (and install disks). If you sell a machine with an OS > installed on it, you're supposed to include the install disks. (In > other words, you can't use 1 license to install the OS on multiple > machines--you're supposed to buy that OS for each machine.) > > The OP of this thread described a situation where the person did not > own the OS. He is not entitled to download it from some sharing site > as you advised him to do. I still think his first recourse should be > to contact the seller who should have included disks. If the OS > wasn't part of the purchase price, then it's up to him to purchase > the OS. > > I catch your point, but you're wrong. > > Joe > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
For G5 10.5, For ibook definetely 10.4... Even one of my powerbook with 1.33 Mhz and 1.25 GB Ram with 167 Mhz data path with 10.5 become slugy... Be aware those ibook's and powerbook's (12inches) uses 4200 rmp drives. 10.4 is good for them. Smaller ram foot print...and lower graphic and data transfer request... Adding Ram will be asset... But Ram+Battery will be arround $100 and more... So think up selling 2 and buying 15.4 inch 1.67 Mhz Powerbook? 2009/5/12 Marty Levine : > > A friend of mine who has no Mac experience at all was given 2 Mac's by > a friend of his wife. He has no idea if they are worth > saving/upgrading and I am the only Mac person he knows. > > The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is > either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine > yet. He will be bringing it in soon > > The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, > airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of > maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. > > He plans to use these for general purpose machines for the family > which includes HS and middle school children. > > I am not sure he will want to invest much. He will need to buy an OS > since we has not given any media. I am suggesting that he have both > machines on the same OS so he only needs to learn on version of OSX. > Now, the question is which one? For the G5 iMac, my opinion is 10.5 > but not sure if that would be too much for the laptop. 10.4 for both? > > Until I found the "dead battery" I was going to recommend a 1gb > upgrade for the laptop but given the cost of a new battery I am not > sure it is worth the investment. Maybe he would be better off selling > the iBook, upgrade the iMac and have a better experience with his > "new" Mac? > > Thanks for your recommendations - Marty > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
distribute: to promote, sell, and ship or deliver (an item or line of merchandise) to individual customers, esp. in a specified region or area. lend: to give (money) on condition that it is returned and that interest is paid for its temporary use. share: the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or contributed or owed by an individual or group. 2009/5/12 Baha Ata : > please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning > giving the install cd to someone that has the right using that cd... > It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using... > Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when > first DVD released out in USA. > > Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal > copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's > copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it. > > It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop > it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS > LEGAL. > > 2009/5/12 Dan : >> >> At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote: >>> >>>You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer. >> >> Correct. >> >> An *original physical disc*. Not a copy. Not something you download >> from an illegal source. >> >>>You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just >>>for you (not public open area), it is not problem. >> >> Incorrect. >> >> From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or >> redistribute. >> >> From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the >> software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute. >> >> Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil >> penalties. >> >> - Dan. >> -- >> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Baha Ata > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning giving the install cd to someone that has the right using that cd... It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using... Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when first DVD released out in USA. Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it. It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS LEGAL. 2009/5/12 Dan : > > At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote: >> >>You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer. > > Correct. > > An *original physical disc*. Not a copy. Not something you download > from an illegal source. > >>You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just >>for you (not public open area), it is not problem. > > Incorrect. > > From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or > redistribute. > > From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the > software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute. > > Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil > penalties. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Totally misleading factor. OEM licenses belong the machines not people :) So if you got the machine you got the license of it. If it is OEM licensed machine... All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No single Apple produced without system. So... Do u really catch the point? Anyway i cut it.. Whatever you may thing out there, but belive me i am shocked that i have never been in USA and probably know more than general of you about rules and obligations about your country. Thanks again. I am hussed. 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for >> one install.. > > And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac > OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original > purchaser and is not transferable. > > Joe > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Thanks anway. I am sorry that i misguide the topic another point. Thanks everyone. 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for >> one install.. > > And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac > OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original > purchaser and is not transferable. > > Joe > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
No... it is %100 legal. You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer. As long as you do not change the version. You may just call Apple and ask them. They will say what i said to you. You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just for you (not public open area), it is not problem. Because you lost your computer disc. IT IS LEGAL. Please read rules and laws before belaming legal things in to illegal. You see every one potentional illegal that use internet? 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> >> please do not add what i have never said... >> > > Please review the thread. Someone who bought a second hand G4 that > had Mac OS X installed on it but no disks was looking for a place to > purchase the disks. You advised him to download it from rapidshare > reasoning that owning a Mac entitles you to Mac OS X. > > What you advised was actually illegal. > > Debating whether or not a jury would convict someone (the people who > own or run rapidshare, for example) is completely irrelevant. > > Joe > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
You can whatever copy you may use for copy it... Whatever... It is supreme or whatever court you have there... given that decision. You may copy for your belongings... whatever they protected them you may decode it and copy it. As long as it is personal use there no illegality. Read your laws please 2009/5/12 Dan : > > At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote: >>Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading >>his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? >> >>Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the >>Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD >>for backup purposes. > > A copy, not a decoded rip. > >>You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow >>scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. > > Yes. > >>You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal. > > IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to > re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal. But if you're > talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
please do not add what i have never said... as i mentioned... share? what u share? share legal backuop :) if any file you find there illegal, you warn them they erase... :) 2009/5/12 Dan : > > At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote: >>Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading >>his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? >> >>Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the >>Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD >>for backup purposes. > > A copy, not a decoded rip. > >>You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow >>scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. > > Yes. > >>You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal. > > IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to > re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal. But if you're > talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
opposite... you must prove their guilt... belive me if you can prove it... you can close them down, but in reality only users commited crime... it is like being gun manufacturing or weapon wholeselling... i admit that i am with you in thinking of weapon wholeselling but... laws. 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and >> magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your >> version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as >> you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement, >> you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are >> all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not >> rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use >> them illegal way. Thats the idea! > > > > I understand what you're saying. At best, you're making an argument > that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple > copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't > legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most > definitely illegal. The fact that you can find a legal use of > rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws. > (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he > walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.) > > The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software > making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use > within the license agreement. > > Joe > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
As long as you have the machine (For Apple or any OEM Licensed Computer) you may download and install... You do not commiting crime... Upload may... :) 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and >> magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your >> version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as >> you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement, >> you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are >> all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not >> rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use >> them illegal way. Thats the idea! > > > > I understand what you're saying. At best, you're making an argument > that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple > copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't > legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most > definitely illegal. The fact that you can find a legal use of > rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws. > (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he > walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.) > > The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software > making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use > within the license agreement. > > Joe > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for one install.. 2009/5/12 Mac G4 : > well the question that I asked them was if it is illegal to sell a used Mac > without the discs. > >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:09:23 +0300 >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> From: baha...@gmail.com >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >> Please phone them again and ask that whetever you can use your >> manufactured OS 10.2 with barrowing someone the discs... I can phone >> them if you like if you give me the number... via Skype. :) >> >> 2009/5/12 Mac G4 : >> > Hi All, >> > I am the originator of this thread. Joe is correct below. I do not own >> > the >> > software, however it is on a used machine I purchased from Mac of All >> > Trades. >> > >> > For the record I do plan on purchasing it sometime in the future - >> > hopefully >> > for a 50 - 60 price not the inflated ebay prices. >> > >> > Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to >> > sell >> > used machines with no discs. According to them as a Apple Authorized >> > Reseller they are able to do this within certain rights. Of course they >> > didn't tell me all the legalities other than if i wanted to >> > to call Apple to >> > check. >> > >> > Third - I appreciate all the responses! >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> >> From: j...@joethejuggler.com >> >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500 >> >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading >> >> > his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? >> >> >> >> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as >> >> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about >> >> getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly >> >> the problem. >> >> >> >> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation >> >> is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they >> >> have "share" as part of their name?) >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Baha Ata >> >> > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Please phone them again and ask that whetever you can use your manufactured OS 10.2 with barrowing someone the discs... I can phone them if you like if you give me the number... via Skype. :) 2009/5/12 Mac G4 : > Hi All, > I am the originator of this thread. Joe is correct below. I do not own the > software, however it is on a used machine I purchased from Mac of All > Trades. > > For the record I do plan on purchasing it sometime in the future - hopefully > for a 50 - 60 price not the inflated ebay prices. > > Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to sell > used machines with no discs. According to them as a Apple Authorized > Reseller they are able to do this within certain rights. Of course they > didn't tell me all the legalities other than if i wanted to to call Apple to > check. > > Third - I appreciate all the responses! > > Jeff > >> From: j...@joethejuggler.com >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500 >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> >> > >> > Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading >> > his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? >> >> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as >> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about >> getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly >> the problem. >> >> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation >> is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they >> have "share" as part of their name?) >> >> Joe >> >> > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
And belive me i bet on it powermax is more illegal... i do not think they use if exist any Apple OEM license for installing Mac OS X 10.4 on that machine :) So clear out this, if someone buy a machine that installed 10.4 but it is not licensed what he will do? :) 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 11, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Dan wrote: > >> >> Slippery slope. Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding >> by is NOT justification for you to speed. > > I very specifically said that my observation that Apple is (or was) > not interested in enforcing their copyright is no justification for > piracy. It was the sentence right after the text you quoted me saying. > > > On May 11, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Ralph Green wrote: > >> The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing, >> and then saying Baha is all wrong. Everyone says you can reinstall >> the >> same version of OSX that came with your machine and you don't need to >> buy a new license to do that. That is all I ever took Baha to be >> saying. > No. Baha is saying that it's okay to get that software from > rapidshare.com, and that it's okay for someone to duplicate and > upload the OS for distribution that way. > > I think the best solution is to ask for disks from the people who > sold him a G4 with that OS installed on it--powermax.com. I think > they either have to provide him with those disks or stop selling > machines with that OS installed on it. I'll bet in their > descriptions of the computer they are selling them with OS whatever. > If that's the case, they're breaking the license agreement if they > don't provide a set of disks with each one. > > > Joe > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement, you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use them illegal way. Thats the idea! 2009/5/12 joe : > > > On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> >> Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading >> his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? > > Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as > a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about > getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly > the problem. > > And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation > is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they > have "share" as part of their name?) > > Joe > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Million thanks. Sorry about my English or American English, it is not mother tongue and i have never been lived in any English speaking country. You clearly make my statement easy understand, but as you may said some license papers writings closer to my English than yours... :) It is hard to understand them. :) 2009/5/11 Ralph Green : > > Howdy, > I don't think Baha is a native English speaker. Cut him a little > slack on the grammer. He is probably much better in English than we are > in his language. > The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing, > and then saying Baha is all wrong. Everyone says you can reinstall the > same version of OSX that came with your machine and you don't need to > buy a new license to do that. That is all I ever took Baha to be > saying. > Good day, > Ralph > > On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 15:59 -0400, Dan wrote: >> At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote: >> >On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote: >> > > Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY specific. >> >> <http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/> >> > > > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading his backup copy. Do you catch the idea? Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD for backup purposes. You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal. As soon as you may show you are the buyer of it. Remember the stickers, cartoons that is said is legal copy ? So downloading same version of Mac OS that Apple manufactured with is legal from whatever source, because that Apple is always comes with system, without system you cannot buy it. You may use whatever source for install same system (not higher or lower version, exactly same manufactured system) and it is %100 legal. 2009/5/11 Dan : > > This thread is bugging me. > > Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY specific. > <http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/> > > At 12:03 PM -0400 5/11/09, Mac G4 wrote: >>then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these >>used machines with no discs? > > The physical media is just a part, like any other component in the > system. There is no legal requirement that anyone ever sell you any > used product that's 100% complete. It would be nice if resellers > included it. And they could easily - as they're available from > Apple. But *shrug*. > >> > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300 >> > Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> > From: baha...@gmail.com >> > >>> You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue >>> from a friend or a copy CD. > > NO. You may NOT borrow. > > The license says: > 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or > sublicense the Apple Software. > > Operative words there: NOT and LEND. > >> > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : >>> > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for >> > > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. > > Poor english aside, correct. Every Mac includes a NON-TRANSFERRABLE > license for its ORIGINAL software. When you upgrade the software, > you are buying a NEW license that IS transferrable. But still, the > ORIGINAL license stays with the hardware. > >> > >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> > >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >>> >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >>> >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... > > NO. The uploader violated the license - remember that whole NOT and > LEND thing? Add to that NOT and REDISTRIBUTE. I would also make the > case that RapidShare should be held liable, since they're making > money thru ad revenue. > > Bruce said, about Baha Ata's text: >> > >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this >> > >>> person's advice. > > Exactly. > >> > >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get >>> >>> older Mac OSes. > > AS LONG as it's not the media that came WITH the Mac. That's the > copy that's NON-TRANSFERRABLE. It has to stay with the hardware. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Dan sorry, but you may ask a lawyer about this... If you have the computer that is bluemarked as a system as Apple Computers, you may barrow... you may download because you have the right the copy of orginal cd as backup for yourself... In this case you would use your backup. As long as you use same version of installation it is legal because as i said Apple Computers come with license of Mac Os but only manufactured Mac Os not other. The share ports use this backup issues and legitimite their selfs. So what you are doing is legal or illegal according what you are doing. If you do not use the orginal system, and barrow a cd or carbon copy it is illegal. But as mentioned other posts, really Apple is not care too much single user acts. But i recommend to install orginal Mac Os version that the machine comes orginally with or Buy new license... For installing orginal Mac OS version that themachine comes with he/she can use whatever source avaible as long as source is the same version. NO. You may NOT borrow. The license says: 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or sublicense the Apple Software. Operative words there: NOT and LEND. 2009/5/11 Dan : > > This thread is bugging me. > > Let's be clear here. Apple's licensing is VERY specific. > <http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/> > > At 12:03 PM -0400 5/11/09, Mac G4 wrote: >>then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these >>used machines with no discs? > > The physical media is just a part, like any other component in the > system. There is no legal requirement that anyone ever sell you any > used product that's 100% complete. It would be nice if resellers > included it. And they could easily - as they're available from > Apple. But *shrug*. > >> > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300 >> > Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> > From: baha...@gmail.com >> > >>> You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue >>> from a friend or a copy CD. > > NO. You may NOT borrow. > > The license says: > 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or > sublicense the Apple Software. > > Operative words there: NOT and LEND. > >> > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : >>> > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for >> > > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. > > Poor english aside, correct. Every Mac includes a NON-TRANSFERRABLE > license for its ORIGINAL software. When you upgrade the software, > you are buying a NEW license that IS transferrable. But still, the > ORIGINAL license stays with the hardware. > >> > >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> > >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >>> >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >>> >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... > > NO. The uploader violated the license - remember that whole NOT and > LEND thing? Add to that NOT and REDISTRIBUTE. I would also make the > case that RapidShare should be held liable, since they're making > money thru ad revenue. > > Bruce said, about Baha Ata's text: >> > >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this >> > >>> person's advice. > > Exactly. > >> > >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get >>> >>> older Mac OSes. > > AS LONG as it's not the media that came WITH the Mac. That's the > copy that's NON-TRANSFERRABLE. It has to stay with the hardware. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
it maybe OEM licensed Apple Software... I am not sure on it because i have not seen any OEM license for Mac OS since today. But in Windows world it can be like that. You can install from OEM license and do not give or "not obligated to give" license or CD as seller. 2009/5/11 Mac G4 : > then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these used > machines with no discs? > >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300 >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> From: baha...@gmail.com >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >> this must be useful for your spec. >> >> >> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html >> >> Pre-Installed MacOS: 9.2.2, X 10.2 >> >> You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue >> from a friend or a copy CD. >> >> Above it, you must have license or orginal CD. >> >> 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : >> > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for >> > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I >> > think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3 >> > >> > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : >> >> Sorry but it is not codswallop. >> >> >> >> Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is >> >> yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured >> >> system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as >> >> Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may >> >> use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources >> >> even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or >> >> wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or >> >> somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider >> >> your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model... >> >> >> >> 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson : >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >> >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >> >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal >> >>>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for >> >>>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok >> >>>> so >> >>>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal >> >>>> manufactured system :) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this >> >>> person's advice. >> >>> >> >>> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store >> >>> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's >> >>> ALL they'll sell you. You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from >> >>> them. >> >>> >> >>> As with most computer software the license is either the installer >> >>> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of >> >>> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate >> >>> environment, you're not going to see the latter. >> >>> >> >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get >> >>> older Mac OSes. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Bruce Johnson >> >>> >> >>> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Baha Ata >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Baha Ata >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Baha Ata >> >> > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
it is not software piracy. As long as you have your backup cd. .That machine has its 10.2 as orginal manufactured system. You may install it whatever source you found. It is not needed licence as long as you use 10.2. Rapidshare or other way of sharing networks is not illegal, if they illegal all of them are closed down already. How you use them is legal or illegal! Thats the important difference. You may call Apple or Microsoft. If you have a OEM licensed computer you may use same software version for reinstallation from whatever source you can find. 2009/5/9 J Beaver : > rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may > declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system > from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal > system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for > mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so > you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal > manufactured system :) > > Horrible advice. Either monitor ebay and find restore cd's that shipped with > your computer or go and buy 10.5. Why would you condone software piracy. > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: >> >> Bruce, a respocible computer maker will provide the system restore cds >> if the customer lost them. At least its a option he can do. >> >> On 5/8/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> > >> > >> > On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >> >> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >> >> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal >> >> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for >> >> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so >> >> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal >> >> manufactured system :) >> > >> > >> > >> > The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this >> > person's advice. >> > >> > No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store >> > they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's >> > ALL they'll sell you. You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from >> > them. >> > >> > As with most computer software the license is either the installer >> > disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of >> > one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate >> > environment, you're not going to see the latter. >> > >> > Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get >> > older Mac OSes. >> > >> > -- >> > Bruce Johnson >> > >> > "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
this must be useful for your spec. http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html Pre-Installed MacOS:9.2.2, X 10.2 You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue from a friend or a copy CD. Above it, you must have license or orginal CD. 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I > think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3 > > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : >> Sorry but it is not codswallop. >> >> Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is >> yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured >> system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as >> Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may >> use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources >> even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or >> wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or >> somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider >> your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model... >> >> 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson : >>> >>> >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal >>>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for >>>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so >>>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal >>>> manufactured system :) >>> >>> >>> >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this >>> person's advice. >>> >>> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store >>> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's >>> ALL they'll sell you. You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from >>> them. >>> >>> As with most computer software the license is either the installer >>> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of >>> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate >>> environment, you're not going to see the latter. >>> >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get >>> older Mac OSes. >>> >>> -- >>> Bruce Johnson >>> >>> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Baha Ata >> > > > > -- > Baha Ata > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Without license document or orginal cd in that machine... 10.4 is not legal. 2009/5/11 Mac G4 : > The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in the case > i need it. > >> From: ktilfo...@cox.net >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4 >> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:49:02 -0500 >> >> >> On May 10, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Mac G4 wrote: >> >> > I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there aren't that >> > many! >> >> In the meantime you could download and install Ubuntu just to get this >> old Mac going. Ubuntu (or some Linux flavor), will likely be >> ubiquitous in the near future as hardware prices drop to a point that >> pricey software is economically unfeasible to sell. Apple may be able >> to hold a small island of high ground, but the groundswell from below >> will be a tide that even Microsoft can't weather in the long run. >> Might as well get familiar with Linux if you plan to be alive 10 or 15 >> years from now. >> >> Here's a link for a PPC Live CD (you don't necessarily need to install >> Ubuntu, it will run "live" from the CD): >> >> <http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/jaunty/release/> > > > Hotmail® goes with you. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone. > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3 2009/5/11 Baha Ata : > Sorry but it is not codswallop. > > Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is > yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured > system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as > Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may > use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources > even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or > wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or > somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider > your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model... > > 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson : >> >> >> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: >> >>> >>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal >>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for >>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so >>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal >>> manufactured system :) >> >> >> >> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this >> person's advice. >> >> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store >> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's >> ALL they'll sell you. You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from >> them. >> >> As with most computer software the license is either the installer >> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of >> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate >> environment, you're not going to see the latter. >> >> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get >> older Mac OSes. >> >> -- >> Bruce Johnson >> >> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Baha Ata > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
Sorry but it is not codswallop. Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model... 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson : > > > On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote: > >> >> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may >> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system >> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal >> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for >> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so >> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal >> manufactured system :) > > > > The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this > person's advice. > > No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store > they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's > ALL they'll sell you. You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from > them. > > As with most computer software the license is either the installer > disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of > one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate > environment, you're not going to see the latter. > > Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get > older Mac OSes. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > > "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD > > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal manufactured system :) 2009/5/9 Mac G4 : > Hello All, > I am sure this is asked all the time, but since i am new to Mac world I > figured I would ask again. > > I just purchased a used G4 Mirror Drive Door and it has OS X 10.4 installed, > however it doesnt have the OS X discs. Anyone know where I can get them (I > have checked and monitor Ebay). > > Somebody once told me that Apple still has restore discs if I call 1800APPLE > - is this true? > > Thanks! > > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how. > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Erase a drive to sell
erase with 0, govermantal format... any program with that option handle situation and write everysector 0. This takes time, very long time if HD is big. I use only HD not any optical media for backup. Cause optical media need care... If you backup all data and trust them in 5 years you may lost many of them because hummanity and particuls... HD, and more HD I got 1 HD for usuage, 1 HD for backup, 1 HD for backup backup... Every new HD need 2 new friends, backup and backup backup... Only i afraid about massive sun blast... 2009/4/7 Sam Macomber > > > On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Clark Martin wrote: > > > >>> The problem with HD data recovery isn't that the data isn't there, > >>> it's the resources needed to recover it. > >> > >> Yeah, those data recovery services all sound great until you find out > >> how much it could cost. You start realizing your data isn't worth > >> THAT > >> much. > > > > That depends. I've had professors pay $1500-$2000 without blinking an > > eye, because the data represents a half-million dollars worth of data, > > and maybe they'll FINALLY get into the habit of using our file server > > instead of their lab systems to store data. > > > > (because our file server crashed once for 4 days, 12 years ago (with > > ZERO loss of data), so we're clearly not reliable .) > > > > How much are your wedding pictures, the video of your child's first > > steps, all their baby pictures worth? > > > > I know the canonical answer is "Well you should have had that backed > > up! Betcha won't do THAT again!", but that still leaves folks without > > those irreplaceable things. > > > > This is why people come running out of burning/flooding/collapsing > > buildings clutching their photo albums. Me, I'm coming out clutching > > usb and firewire external drives...:-) > > > I've got a small metal box with my photo back ups(DVDs), and a dust > proof binder full of my negitives that I'd be grabbing. > > -sam > > > > -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
