Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: >> >> 10.5 is Universal, meaning it runs on any Mac that 10.5 supports, Intel or >> PPC. I've done this, using a single retail 10.5 disk to install on both >> PPC and Intel-based Macs. > > If you use a gray installation disc, that is from an Intel-Mac, you will > propably have no luck trying to install it on a PowerPC-Mac. If you use a gray system specific installer disk it won't install on anything other than that particular model of Mac (within a range). However this is a limitation of the installer media, not the OS. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
My Quad has a bit of a problem, to be resolved at the Mac Doctor ... I believe that is why my installed G4 HD did not appear to work in my G5. It did show up on the Desktop, but having Startup issues caused it to not mount later. Time will tell ... once the G5 is up and running, all should be fine. Thanks for the clarification. ¡ Happy New Year ! Bill C. On Dec 30, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5? Date:Sunday, 30. December 2012 From:Kris Tilford To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com It would be a good idea to hold the Shift key for a Safe Boot for the first boot, this will ditch the G4 startup caches and rebuild them for the G5 hardware. You can reboot normally after the Safe Boot and things should be fine. I never did that and it all worked fine… Went from a G4 to a G5 and back a dozen times… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5? Date:Sunday, 30. December 2012 From:Kris Tilford To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > It would be a good idea to hold the Shift key for a Safe Boot for the > first boot, this will ditch the G4 startup caches and rebuild them for > the G5 hardware. You can reboot normally after the Safe Boot and > things should be fine. I never did that and it all worked fine… Went from a G4 to a G5 and back a dozen times… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5? Date:Sunday, 30. December 2012 From:Bill Connelly To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Are there different versions of 10.5.8? Yes and no. When using the retail version, you’re good. Once installed, you’re good too. The only thing that may not work is using a gray installation disc from an Intel-based Mac and trying to freshly install from it on a PowerPC- based Mac. The one and only reason: the kernel for the installer may be Intel- only. The installation itself is universal thou. > Are most SATA hard drives compatible with the G5 Quad Core? All SATA drives will work. Even SATA 6 GB/s (also sometimes falsely called SATA-III), the newest SATA revision, work. > For example, when you read earlier Specs about the G5, it says you can > install "up to a 500GB" SATA drive. I'm guessing that was the largest > one available at the time ... 1TB+ now should be ok? Yes. That’s the only reason. Up to 2 TB will work. Why is that? Because the partitioning scheme used on Power Macs is the Apple Parition Map (APM). Its limit is 2 TB due to 512 blocks and 32 bits used for addressing. Theoretically you could set the blocks used to 4k (4096), because that’s also what modern HDDs use internally. Then you should have a limit of 8 TB for the HDD, but I truely doupt that Mac OS X can handle that (because it’s non standard). And, how would you do it anyway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Partition_Map That said, if you use a > 2 TB HDD, Mac OS X will still be able to use that drive. It will simply only use the first 2 TB and ignore the rest. What a waste! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5? Date:Sunday, 30. December 2012 From:Bruce Johnson To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On Dec 30, 2012, at 2:37 PM, kex wrote: > > The only difference among 10.5.8 versions are most likely due to the > > differences in the hardware it's loaded on. > > desk> Outsch! > No, there is no difference! > > 10.5 is Universal, meaning it runs on any Mac that 10.5 supports, Intel or > PPC. I've done this, using a single retail 10.5 disk to install on both > PPC and Intel-based Macs. If you use a gray installation disc, that is from an Intel-Mac, you will propably have no luck trying to install it on a PowerPC-Mac. The “Retail” version is good on both Intel and PowerPC, hence Universal. So, where’s the problem then? It is the kernel. The gray Mac-specific installation discs have a slim Intel- only Mach kernel on them, so it will simply say “This architecture is not supported by this kernel” or similar. All other things, all applications, are “universal” still. > Intel and PPC need different partition schemes, but the OS installed DOES > NOT CHANGE. If you re moving from a PPC mac to an Intel Mac you must use > CCC and the drive on the Intel-based Mac must be GUID partitioned. PPC > machines need the Apple Partition Map scheme. The first Intel-based Macs could use an APM formated HDD. The newer ones, that were shipped with 10.6 and newer, propably aren’t any longer. > If you're moving from a PPC mac to another PPC mac, as the OP is, then all > you need to do is be able to install the drive. Natuarlly, an IDE HDD will not be able to connect to a SATA bus, except when you use an adapter/converter. > Also EVERY DVD drive ever made will READ dual layer disks; after all, this > is how a 2 1/2 hour movie + extras are put onto a single DVD disk. As far as I remember this is true for DVD-R, but unfortunatelly not for DVD+R. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
That said, G4 and G5 mean PowerPC, so there won't be any Intel in the equation. Whether or not Apple issued model-specific media 10.5 with new Macs, I can't say. If you formatted the hard drive on the G4 with the Mac OS Extended (Journaled, Case Sensitive or neither) AND made sure that it is bootable, you should be good. jon On 12/30/2012 04:37 PM, kex wrote: Bill, If you are having trouble, read on. The only difference among 10.5.8 versions are most likely due to the differences in the hardware it's loaded on. It is running well on my G5 PowerMac tower. Until you are happy with it, don't remove the previous system if it's an update. Also, recommend keeping all the old users until you are sure their data is not needed. If you are installing from a "retail" DVD, you will need a working DVD-R Dual Layer optical drive. If you are installing from a CD/DVD set specific to the model you have, then you should be OK. If your installation media targets a different (non-compatible) model, you may not be able to complete the installation. NOTE: If you are installing with a "retail' type DVD, but using a non-dual layer optical drive, the installation may not complete (i.e.stop cold or hang when the 2nd layer access is attempted) or may not begin at all. Finally, there are extra files on the DVD that are not installed with the O.S. If that's what you are looking for, check the media with the finder. Jon On 12/30/2012 04:14 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Dec 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? Yes. OS X, provided you don't try to use a version older than your hardware supports, is universal Are there different versions of 10.5.8? Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and select it as the Startup disk? That would be easier than CCC-ing it. Maybe I'm overthinking this before I try it, but ... Are most SATA hard drives compatible with the G5 Quad Core? For example, when you read earlier Specs about the G5, it says you can install "up to a 500GB" SATA drive. I'm guessing that was the largest one available at the time ... 1TB+ now should be ok? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > > Maybe I'm overthinking this before I try it, but ... > > Are most SATA hard drives compatible with the G5 Quad Core? > > For example, when you read earlier Specs about the G5, it says you can > install "up to a 500GB" SATA drive. I'm guessing that was the largest one > available at the time ... 1TB+ now should be ok? I have 5 2TB Hitachi 7200 RPM in mine wit the use on a Jive 5 adaptor that allows 3 more drives in front of the intake fans, John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 2:37 PM, kex wrote: > The only difference among 10.5.8 versions are most likely due to the > differences in the hardware it's loaded on. desk> No, there is no difference! 10.5 is Universal, meaning it runs on any Mac that 10.5 supports, Intel or PPC. I've done this, using a single retail 10.5 disk to install on both PPC and Intel-based Macs. Intel and PPC need different partition schemes, but the OS installed DOES NOT CHANGE. If you re moving from a PPC mac to an Intel Mac you must use CCC and the drive on the Intel-based Mac must be GUID partitioned. PPC machines need the Apple Partition Map scheme. If you're moving from a PPC mac to another PPC mac, as the OP is, then all you need to do is be able to install the drive. Also EVERY DVD drive ever made will READ dual layer disks; after all, this is how a 2 1/2 hour movie + extras are put onto a single DVD disk. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
Bill, If you are having trouble, read on. The only difference among 10.5.8 versions are most likely due to the differences in the hardware it's loaded on. It is running well on my G5 PowerMac tower. Until you are happy with it, don't remove the previous system if it's an update. Also, recommend keeping all the old users until you are sure their data is not needed. If you are installing from a "retail" DVD, you will need a working DVD-R Dual Layer optical drive. If you are installing from a CD/DVD set specific to the model you have, then you should be OK. If your installation media targets a different (non-compatible) model, you may not be able to complete the installation. NOTE: If you are installing with a "retail' type DVD, but using a non-dual layer optical drive, the installation may not complete (i.e.stop cold or hang when the 2nd layer access is attempted) or may not begin at all. Finally, there are extra files on the DVD that are not installed with the O.S. If that's what you are looking for, check the media with the finder. Jon On 12/30/2012 04:14 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Dec 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? Yes. OS X, provided you don't try to use a version older than your hardware supports, is universal Are there different versions of 10.5.8? Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and select it as the Startup disk? That would be easier than CCC-ing it. Maybe I'm overthinking this before I try it, but ... Are most SATA hard drives compatible with the G5 Quad Core? For example, when you read earlier Specs about the G5, it says you can install "up to a 500GB" SATA drive. I'm guessing that was the largest one available at the time ... 1TB+ now should be ok? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> >>> Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? >> >> Yes. OS X, provided you don't try to use a version older than your hardware >> supports, is universal > > Are there different versions of 10.5.8? > No, there aren't...From the beginning, 10.5 was truly universal. While an Intel based and PPC based Mac take different partition schemes, the actual system software is universal. > > >>> >>> Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, >>> and select it as the Startup disk? >> >> That would be easier than CCC-ing it. > > Maybe I'm overthinking this before I try it, but ... Yes, you are. > > Are most SATA hard drives compatible with the G5 Quad Core? > > For example, when you read earlier Specs about the G5, it says you can > install "up to a 500GB" SATA drive. I'm guessing that was the largest one > available at the time ... 1TB+ now should be ok? > Apple is always hyper sensitive to their officially supported device standards; as you surmised, the reason for this statement is there weren't 1tb drives available. Just stick the drive in it. If it doesn't work, stick it back in the G4 and use CCC to move the OS. Just be sure to properly format the drive (you need to make sure the partition type is correct for a new HDD) in the G5. But seriously, yes, you're really over-thinking this. > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? Yes. OS X, provided you don't try to use a version older than your hardware supports, is universal Are there different versions of 10.5.8? Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and select it as the Startup disk? That would be easier than CCC-ing it. Maybe I'm overthinking this before I try it, but ... Are most SATA hard drives compatible with the G5 Quad Core? For example, when you read earlier Specs about the G5, it says you can install "up to a 500GB" SATA drive. I'm guessing that was the largest one available at the time ... 1TB+ now should be ok? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > Wondering if I can use the OS X 10.5.8 installation I have on a harddrive, > that was created on a G4, in my PowerMac Quad Core G5? Yes > Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? Yes. OS X, provided you don't try to use a version older than your hardware supports, is universal > > Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and > select it as the Startup disk? > That would be easier than CCC-ing it. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: > Wondering if I can use the OS X 10.5.8 installation I have on a harddrive, > that was created on a G4, in my PowerMac Quad Core G5? > > Is the file system on a G5 different than a G4? > > Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? > > Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and > select it as the Startup disk? > > Comments welcomed. Yes it will work just use Apple Software Update after booting All you lose is Classic. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
On Dec 30, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? Yes. Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and select it as the Startup disk? Yes. It would be a good idea to hold the Shift key for a Safe Boot for the first boot, this will ditch the G4 startup caches and rebuild them for the G5 hardware. You can reboot normally after the Safe Boot and things should be fine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can I use an OS X 10.5 - G4 Installation on a G5?
Wondering if I can use the OS X 10.5.8 installation I have on a harddrive, that was created on a G4, in my PowerMac Quad Core G5? Is the file system on a G5 different than a G4? Can I simply CCC my OS X 10.5.8 G4 to my G5? Could I just insert the SATA drive, also formatted on a G4, into the G5, and select it as the Startup disk? Comments welcomed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
