Re: Selling upgraded Macs
www.online-convert.com converts YouTube to MOV, and fairly quickly I might add. I've been watching YouTube videos on my 300 MHz clamshell that way. Also, my 500 MHz Pismo can watch YouTube videos with almost no jerkiness at 240p. Same with my 800 MHz iMac G4, only not quite as much so. I'm think that it might be a virtual RAM thing, and when it comes to hard drive performance, my Pismo's 120 GB 5400 RPM Hitachi blows away the stock 60 GB drive in the iMac. YouTube mobile under Tiger works great as well. With Ubuntu, the clamshell could even play YouTube mobile videos streaming! HTML5 also speeds things up quite a bit. What kind of sick G4s do you have that not even a 1.25 GHz can play YouTube videos? Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Yes a G4 will not play Netflix, but other than that it will serve the average computer user. The higher end G4's WILL run Hulu, and Youtube. Actually even some of the lower end G4's, like my Dual 500MHZ run Youtube fine. If someone wants a computer 'that just works', they aren't going to want to mess with virus protection on Windows, and the constant work it would take to keep the system useable. True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick, plus the Bus speed is important on them too. Even trying to run You Tube in 240 is the closest I can tolerate, and not all You Tubes are available in 240. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Aha! That's why--the 800x600 iBook and the 1024x768 Pismo! Fewer pixels to draw ought to make it easier to render. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick. I agree, but it may not be the CPU that's the bottleneck, it might be the GPU (video card). I've got an overclocked 1.58 GHz Mini that's constricted with the built-in 32MB Radeon 9200 video card. When the Mini is attached to an HDTV @ 1920x1080 it stutters and chokes like crazy on almost any higher resolution video (actually almost all video). If I run at a lower resolution (say 800x600 stretched) it plays much more smoothly with the same resolution videos, BUT, the ONLY native resolution that's not stretched is 1920x1080. I interpret this as 1920x1080 being roughly 2MB per frame, so the 32MB video card has room for about 16 frames, or 1/2 second HD video, so no wonder it chokes and stutters. I believe if this Mini had a large 128MB or 256MB video card the playback of video (including YouTube streams) would be significantly better, perhaps even dead smooth? I believe a slower G4 with a sufficiently large and fast video card might possibly be a magic G4, but 500MHz is a little too slow. A 1.25GHz with a fast large card might be the magic G4, but the need for Leopard will slow that now, so it appears the days of the magic G4 are indeed numbered, and soon extinct. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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The problem with this discussion in my opinion is that everyone is correct but you all seem to have a hard time seeing it. I think what matters most when pairing a computer with a person is what that person is going to do with the computer. For those with a heavy tilt towards consuming video, an older Mac is definitely going to be less special. Maybe a PC or even an iPad might be a better fit. But, on the other hand, those with simpler, less computationally demanding needs who just want to do email, some simple word processing maybe, and access the internet through dial-up then an eMac (or other PPC Mac) can be a good fit. So my answer to Austen's question is to try it and find out. I wouldn't sink too much time or money into at first until you get an idea whether or not the market you think is out there is REALLY out there. But it seems pretty clear Austin is in a better position to find out what's out there in his area than, well, certainly better than I am. Maybe a year or two back an acquaintance asked me to help her get an inexpensive computer. We actually didn't get further than that so recently I asked her if she was still interested. She said she was going to look at a smart phone (Blackberry maybe?) as it seemed it would be good enough for her needs. Not everyone is using desktop or laptop computers to interact online these days. Something else to think about when trying to fit a solution to a person's computing needs. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Well said, irrational John. My tangerine iBook is on the way ^_^. Obviously, nobody here will want it, but I will probably offer it on the LEM Swap group or on the Facebook group. It'll be almost identical to my current resurrected iBook, including (if I put it on the FB group) Adobe Photoshop 7.0.1 and AppleWorks 6. The only difference is it will have a full load of RAM. What I plan to charge: price of components (roughly $150-$200) + $25 labor and software. If it sells, I'll gradually increase my labor cost to see what my limits would be. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:49 PM, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with this discussion in my opinion is that everyone is correct but you all seem to have a hard time seeing it. I think what matters most when pairing a computer with a person is what that person is going to do with the computer. For those with a heavy tilt towards consuming video, an older Mac is definitely going to be less special. Maybe a PC or even an iPad might be a better fit. But, on the other hand, those with simpler, less computationally demanding needs who just want to do email, some simple word processing maybe, and access the internet through dial-up then an eMac (or other PPC Mac) can be a good fit. So my answer to Austen's question is to try it and find out. I wouldn't sink too much time or money into at first until you get an idea whether or not the market you think is out there is REALLY out there. But it seems pretty clear Austin is in a better position to find out what's out there in his area than, well, certainly better than I am. Maybe a year or two back an acquaintance asked me to help her get an inexpensive computer. We actually didn't get further than that so recently I asked her if she was still interested. She said she was going to look at a smart phone (Blackberry maybe?) as it seemed it would be good enough for her needs. Not everyone is using desktop or laptop computers to interact online these days. Something else to think about when trying to fit a solution to a person's computing needs. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Yes a G4 will not play Netflix, but other than that it will serve the average computer user. The higher end G4's WILL run Hulu, and Youtube. Actually even some of the lower end G4's, like my Dual 500MHZ run Youtube fine. If someone wants a computer 'that just works', they aren't going to want to mess with virus protection on Windows, and the constant work it would take to keep the system useable. True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick, plus the Bus speed is important on them too. Even trying to run You Tube in 240 is the closest I can tolerate, and not all You Tubes are available in 240. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA From TiBook 867 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick. I agree, but it may not be the CPU that's the bottleneck, it might be the GPU (video card). I've got an overclocked 1.58 GHz Mini that's constricted with the built-in 32MB Radeon 9200 video card. When the Mini is attached to an HDTV @ 1920x1080 it stutters and chokes like crazy on almost any higher resolution video (actually almost all video). If I run at a lower resolution (say 800x600 stretched) it plays much more smoothly with the same resolution videos, BUT, the ONLY native resolution that's not stretched is 1920x1080. I interpret this as 1920x1080 being roughly 2MB per frame, so the 32MB video card has room for about 16 frames, or 1/2 second HD video, so no wonder it chokes and stutters. I believe if this Mini had a large 128MB or 256MB video card the playback of video (including YouTube streams) would be significantly better, perhaps even dead smooth? I believe a slower G4 with a sufficiently large and fast video card might possibly be a magic G4, but 500MHz is a little too slow. A 1.25GHz with a fast large card might be the magic G4, but the need for Leopard will slow that now, so it appears the days of the magic G4 are indeed numbered, and soon extinct. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Guys, I agree with Jonas Ulrich. I use my PowerMac MDD Dual 1.25 for my own research into theory of numbers and it is performing very well! So far it had over 900 hours of computing time in last few months, and it still performs well. Be well -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Matevž Markovič wrote: Guys, I agree with Jonas Ulrich. I use my PowerMac MDD Dual 1.25 for my own research into theory of numbers and it is performing very well! So far it had over 900 hours of computing time in last few months, and it still performs well. Well THAT covers 0.1% of the potential market! 8-P The issue is NOT whether these systems are useful or capable of doing tasks, but whether they would be competitive in an environment where they would be competing against newer, faster, Winboxes more capable for general things like watching videos and such stuff. And frankly you're not going to compete against those. I can routinely get an essentially new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus. (Watch woot, they have them name-brand boxes all the time with AMD cpus.) Or look here: http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=SYS I can get a core 2 duo system for $170. There are a half-dozen Athlon systems for under $200. Im not pronouncing any judgement on the relative merits of OS X versus Windows here, but these are the cold economic facts: these systems are much higher performance than any G4, ever, straight out of the box. Now some of them might be candidates for Hacks, which would be another thing entirely, but selling hacks can get you into trouble, just ask Psystar... In an environment where G5 systems are selling for as little as $150, and even early Intel macs are coming down to that $400 level, a G4 after the costs of upgrading simply cannot sell for enough to cover it's costs. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Yes, but you have to consider that a miniscule proportion of the population actually knows the real performance differences between CPUs. Many people I've met (and by many, I mean most) only judge responsiveness as a measurement of speed, and this, thankfully, can be fudged by adding an SSD, due to the major speed boosts in random reads that SSDs provide. For instance, my 300 MHz iBook feels like a speed demon right now compared to my 800 MHz iMac G4, which has an old 60 GB hard drive. Heck, I've asked people what brand of laptop they have, and they have to physically check the back in order to tell me… [facepalm]. And they're not sure what version of Windows they're running, obviously. Another thing to consider is the demands put on the system itself. Most people I know demand very little from their computers – maybe word processing, email, and Facebook, with YouTube as optional. And while Flash has left PPC behind, HTML5 continues to support it. On my Pismo, HTML5 YouTube videos can run fairly well, and even my clamshell can play mobile YouTube videos without any problems. Even long-time PC junkies I've met have been wooed by old Macs. One particularly ornery PC fanatic (thought his MSI with an i3 was way better than any Mac) eventually broke down and convinced his parents to buy an iMac G3. Then there's the cost. Personally, I've seen iMac G4s – good, working ones – go for $100 on eBay. And then I've seen them go for $400 with a few upgrades (like RAM and Leopard). I've seen iBook clamshells go for $50, and then I've seen the same model (300 MHz) sell for over $300 with a new battery, hard drive, RAM, and OS X Panther (no CD). The total cost of those upgrades could not have been $250 – maybe $89 for the HD (my CF-IDE was $79), $20 for the RAM, $40 for the battery, and nothing for Panther. Throw a YoYo on there, and you've got $210 worth of iBook that's selling for over $300. Make it a $100 base iBook price (over the average), and you're still making at least $30 each computer, which in volume will start to add up. Now, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's not this simple. But if you add up the numbers and aren't looking to turn a huge profit (which I'm not), it might be a cool way to earn cash on the side. Obviously, I'm going to cautiously test the waters with a clamshell or something. I'll be sure to report back what happens. Austin Leeds Sent from my iBook Clamshell Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Matevž Markovič wrote: Guys, I agree with Jonas Ulrich. I use my PowerMac MDD Dual 1.25 for my own research into theory of numbers and it is performing very well! So far it had over 900 hours of computing time in last few months, and it still performs well. Well THAT covers 0.1% of the potential market! 8-P The issue is NOT whether these systems are useful or capable of doing tasks, but whether they would be competitive in an environment where they would be competing against newer, faster, Winboxes more capable for general things like watching videos and such stuff. And frankly you're not going to compete against those. I can routinely get an essentially new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus. (Watch woot, they have them name-brand boxes all the time with AMD cpus.) Or look here: http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=SYS I can get a core 2 duo system for $170. There are a half-dozen Athlon systems for under $200. Im not pronouncing any judgement on the relative merits of OS X versus Windows here, but these are the cold economic facts: these systems are much higher performance than any G4, ever, straight out of the box. Now some of them might be candidates for Hacks, which would be another thing entirely, but selling hacks can get you into trouble, just ask Psystar... In an environment where G5 systems are selling for as little as $150, and even early Intel macs are coming down to that $400 level, a G4 after the costs of upgrading simply cannot sell for enough to cover it's costs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Jun 17, 11:33 am, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: Now, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's not this simple. But if you add up the numbers and aren't looking to turn a huge profit (which I'm not), it might be a cool way to earn cash on the side. Obviously, I'm going to cautiously test the waters with a clamshell or something. I'll be sure to report back what happens. Austin Leeds Sent from my iBook Clamshell Austin: I can see that you are determined to try this out. My reaction to this whole discussion, strengthened by your last two paragraphs, is that your endeavor is fine if you take it up as a hobby; I mean a pleasurable pass-time. But considering the value of your time, you can most likely make more money per hour in a work- study program on campus, tutoring, working as a store clerk off campus, or working in a restaurant. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Yes indeed. I'm already running a daily paper route and freelance writing for LEM for most of my income—and I might try to apply for a job at BestBuy (or the like) once I start taking my network admin classes next fall. This would be a pastime for me, since I just love to see these old machines rise from the dead—plus it might be something to add to my résumé later on. Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 17, 11:33 am, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: Now, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's not this simple. But if you add up the numbers and aren't looking to turn a huge profit (which I'm not), it might be a cool way to earn cash on the side. Obviously, I'm going to cautiously test the waters with a clamshell or something. I'll be sure to report back what happens. Austin Leeds Sent from my iBook Clamshell Austin: I can see that you are determined to try this out. My reaction to this whole discussion, strengthened by your last two paragraphs, is that your endeavor is fine if you take it up as a hobby; I mean a pleasurable pass-time. But considering the value of your time, you can most likely make more money per hour in a work- study program on campus, tutoring, working as a store clerk off campus, or working in a restaurant. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Am I the only one realizing that your new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus, will be running like crap after a few months? Whereas your mac, no matter how old, will be running great. For the average computer user, they don't NEED a new PC, and the old Mac will work out better for them in the long run. Here's an example. My mom bought an Emachines PC a few years ago, running Windows XP, for around $350 with monitor and keyboard and everything. It ran great, for a few months, but it got SO slow, that I actually traded it out with a G3 iMac which I got for free, which worked great for about 3 years, before I replaced it with an eMac 800MHZ. She got WAY more use out of that free G3, than the PC she paid for. And we never have to buy and renew virus protection for a Mac:). It all boils down to what you want to use the computer for, but a new PC with Windows, using faster hardware, isn't going to out perform a G4 in the long run. A computer is only as fast as the weakest link. In the PC's case, the weak link is Windows. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Word up! My parents get way more use from our iMac G4 (2002--$275) than our HP Pavilion (2008--$799). Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one realizing that your new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus, will be running like crap after a few months? Whereas your mac, no matter how old, will be running great. For the average computer user, they don't NEED a new PC, and the old Mac will work out better for them in the long run. Here's an example. My mom bought an Emachines PC a few years ago, running Windows XP, for around $350 with monitor and keyboard and everything. It ran great, for a few months, but it got SO slow, that I actually traded it out with a G3 iMac which I got for free, which worked great for about 3 years, before I replaced it with an eMac 800MHZ. She got WAY more use out of that free G3, than the PC she paid for. And we never have to buy and renew virus protection for a Mac:). It all boils down to what you want to use the computer for, but a new PC with Windows, using faster hardware, isn't going to out perform a G4 in the long run. A computer is only as fast as the weakest link. In the PC's case, the weak link is Windows. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Austin Leeds wrote: Word up! My parents get way more use from our iMac G4 (2002--$275) than our HP Pavilion (2008--$799). Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad Aaaand how much of that is due to having an in-house IT staff person who like Macs, and works for free? 8-P -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Am I the only one realizing that your new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus, will be running like crap after a few months? Uhh, yes, because, no they don't run like crap after a few months. I use them daily. I help oversee an installed base of several hundred...there are issues, yes, people get fake antiviruses, yes, you have to be more proactive with antivirus and antimalware solutions yes, you have to avoid Norton's like the gorram plague, yes (but you have to do that on Macs, too). Whereas your mac, no matter how old, will be running great. For the average computer user, they don't NEED a new PC, and the old Mac will work out better for them in the long run. Go to Youtube, play a random video. Go to Hulu, find out 'OOpsie, they don't work'. Go to Netflix (which accounts for something like 70% of all net traffic in the US in the evenings) and you find Oops, it doesn't work with non-intel Macs. No, the average user will NOT be served by an old G4 Mac over a modern windows system. A modern Mac system beats Win7 all hollow (which is one reason why Apple's selling the things like hotcakes), but not an old G4. Your mom's eMachine didn't need to be replaced, it needed to be cleaned up. I'll wager there were eleventy-seven little icons in her task bar (remember the system extension dance in OS 9??? Same thing) and her web browser likely has eight toolbars installed by other random setups, but you know what? NONE of this is actually *WIndows* fault, but the fault of lazy third-parties. (And big names like ^#%@$ Adobe are the worst...they automagically install crap when you update entirely unrelated shit like the Yahoo Toolbar and some notrons or mcaffee crap that doesn't actually do anything.) Once you teach folks how to notice the little checkboxes to uncheck in installs, and teach them a little awareness of avoiding problems on the Web (and I've managed to do this with some seriously non-techie people) they get along pretty well. Great Dog in the sky, I can NOT believe I'm actually defending Windows here, but frankly people have to accept (especially if they're selling these system to naive people who expect them to 'just work') that G4 systems and PPC Macs in general are obsolete, and given a choice of running OS X on an obsolete system and Windows on a newer one, people are better served by the Windows solution. People get new computers eventually, and if their experience with the Mac is: Well, I never had viruses, but a whole bunch of stuff didn't work well, and this program and that program weren't available. I'm not getting a new Mac! You're not doing the world a favor. Yes, you have to spend more time working ON your computer with Windows, but look through the archives of the list: How many times has someone come in and complained about 'I can't play youtube videos on my G4!' If you want to make money converting folks to the Mac, offer your services as a 'Mac Switcher consultant'. Help them move their stuff from their old pc's to the new Mac. Show them how to set up Google Mail in Mail. Show them how to use the new mac; teach them where to find the things they knew how to do in Windows. Teach them useful tricks (like what Keychain Access is good for: looking up stored passwords, securely saving lists of online passwords, credit card numbers and the like in Keychain Notes), Help them find equivalents for programs they used under Windows that aren't there for the Mac. Because THEN you've created a Mac convert, and they'll tell their friends and relatives, and you're the one that helped. (Quick what's the best, easiest cheapest replacement for MS Paint, which comes for free with every Windows system and is the graphics program used by 90% of all Windows users. Hint: Graphics Converter ain't it. Paintbrush is MUCH closer http://paintbrush.sourceforge.net/, as I've been assured by the several ex-Windows people who have asked me for that solution...) The problem here, of course, is that you need to: Be able to teach technical stuff to non-technical people. Be deeply knowledgeable about BOTH platforms. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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The problem here, of course, is that you need to: Be able to teach technical stuff to non-technical people. Be deeply knowledgeable about BOTH platforms. Done and done. I've already converted several people at DMACC... by showing them my Pismo PowerBook and my PowerBook 180 ^_^ Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Am I the only one realizing that your new Winbox for $300-$400 running Win7 with modern multi-core cpus, will be running like crap after a few months? Uhh, yes, because, no they don't run like crap after a few months. I use them daily. I help oversee an installed base of several hundred...there are issues, yes, people get fake antiviruses, yes, you have to be more proactive with antivirus and antimalware solutions yes, you have to avoid Norton's like the gorram plague, yes (but you have to do that on Macs, too). Whereas your mac, no matter how old, will be running great. For the average computer user, they don't NEED a new PC, and the old Mac will work out better for them in the long run. Go to Youtube, play a random video. Go to Hulu, find out 'OOpsie, they don't work'. Go to Netflix (which accounts for something like 70% of all net traffic in the US in the evenings) and you find Oops, it doesn't work with non-intel Macs. No, the average user will NOT be served by an old G4 Mac over a modern windows system. A modern Mac system beats Win7 all hollow (which is one reason why Apple's selling the things like hotcakes), but not an old G4. Your mom's eMachine didn't need to be replaced, it needed to be cleaned up. I'll wager there were eleventy-seven little icons in her task bar (remember the system extension dance in OS 9??? Same thing) and her web browser likely has eight toolbars installed by other random setups, but you know what? NONE of this is actually *WIndows* fault, but the fault of lazy third-parties. (And big names like ^#%@$ Adobe are the worst...they automagically install crap when you update entirely unrelated shit like the Yahoo Toolbar and some notrons or mcaffee crap that doesn't actually do anything.) Once you teach folks how to notice the little checkboxes to uncheck in installs, and teach them a little awareness of avoiding problems on the Web (and I've managed to do this with some seriously non-techie people) they get along pretty well. Great Dog in the sky, I can NOT believe I'm actually defending Windows here, but frankly people have to accept (especially if they're selling these system to naive people who expect them to 'just work') that G4 systems and PPC Macs in general are obsolete, and given a choice of running OS X on an obsolete system and Windows on a newer one, people are better served by the Windows solution. People get new computers eventually, and if their experience with the Mac is: Well, I never had viruses, but a whole bunch of stuff didn't work well, and this program and that program weren't available. I'm not getting a new Mac! You're not doing the world a favor. Yes, you have to spend more time working ON your computer with Windows, but look through the archives of the list: How many times has someone come in and complained about 'I can't play youtube videos on my G4!' If you want to make money converting folks to the Mac, offer your services as a 'Mac Switcher consultant'. Help them move their stuff from their old pc's to the new Mac. Show them how to set up Google Mail in Mail. Show them how to use the new mac; teach them where to find the things they knew how to do in Windows. Teach them useful tricks (like what Keychain Access is good for: looking up stored passwords, securely saving lists of online passwords, credit card numbers and the like in Keychain Notes), Help them find equivalents for programs they used under Windows that aren't there for the Mac. Because THEN you've created a Mac convert, and they'll tell their friends and relatives, and you're the one that helped. (Quick what's the best, easiest cheapest replacement for MS Paint, which comes for free with every Windows system and is the graphics program used by 90% of all Windows users. Hint: Graphics Converter ain't it. Paintbrush is MUCH closer http://paintbrush.sourceforge.net/, as I've been assured by the several ex-Windows people who have asked me for that solution...) The problem here, of course, is that you need to: Be able to teach technical stuff to non-technical people. Be deeply knowledgeable about BOTH platforms. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at
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Actually, I'm away at classes most of the day, so they have to figure it out how to solve problems for themselves… which they can, 'cause it's a Mac ^_^ Also, I was the one who upgraded our PC to Windows 7… after which I decided that Ubuntu was clearly the better course. Austin Leeds Sent from my Clamshell iBook Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Austin Leeds wrote: Word up! My parents get way more use from our iMac G4 (2002--$275) than our HP Pavilion (2008--$799). Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad Aaaand how much of that is due to having an in-house IT staff person who like Macs, and works for free? 8-P -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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I totally agree with Austin. I hardly ever have to do anything with my moms eMac. Bruce, my mom's PC didn't really need to be replaced, just cleaned up as you said. However, my point was that it turned out WAY better to use a Mac that was 6+ years older than to bother cleaning the PC. Aside from the occasional permissions repair, there is no cleaning necessary on a Mac. Yes Windows may run fine if you obsessively maintain it, and make sure that it don't get full of Virus's and stuff, but Mac will run fine WITHOUT doing any of that time consuming stuff. Yes all the random tool bars, and icons on the task bar do make a Windows computer really slow, and I'm sure that was part of the problem, you are missing my point though, Mac doesn't have that problem to begin with! As far as virus protection, having the best virus protection possible on a PC will help with performance, but you don't have to worry about that at all with a Mac! Again you missed my point completely. Yes a G4 will not play Netflix, but other than that it will serve the average computer user. The higher end G4's WILL run Hulu, and Youtube. Actually even some of the lower end G4's, like my Dual 500MHZ run Youtube fine. If someone wants a computer 'that just works', they aren't going to want to mess with virus protection on Windows, and the constant work it would take to keep the system useable. True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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I've been following this thread. Well said, Jonas. Funny, there will always be those who have a negative remark. I don't know if it's 50%, 75%, 82%, but I suspect there are a good number of folk who would be better served by a MDD G4 than their present PC. Throw on a copy of TeamViewer and you can help grandma with whatever minor issues she'd have. For those that want to tinker (I picture the neighbor who always has his head under his car hood) go buy the PC. I don't always want a geek experience, I want a tool that just works. The G4 does that. As does my 2010 Mac Pro. On Jun 17, 6:54 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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That's generally been my finding. Also, you have to consider the average: the average person in San Francisco, New York, or Chicago is not the average person in Iowa, even in Des Moines. Many rural or small town folks don't want a computer that's faster than their neighbors--they want one that, as you said, just works. And from what I've been able to show people, Macs just work. Haha, I'm actually going to try TeamViewer with my grandma's Linux machine ^_^ Austin Leeds Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:58 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I've been following this thread. Well said, Jonas. Funny, there will always be those who have a negative remark. I don't know if it's 50%, 75%, 82%, but I suspect there are a good number of folk who would be better served by a MDD G4 than their present PC. Throw on a copy of TeamViewer and you can help grandma with whatever minor issues she'd have. For those that want to tinker (I picture the neighbor who always has his head under his car hood) go buy the PC. I don't always want a geek experience, I want a tool that just works. The G4 does that. As does my 2010 Mac Pro. On Jun 17, 6:54 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: True, a G4 system won't serve every user, but a dead Windows system won't serve any users. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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I would caution on this because as has been discussed several times on this list G3s and G4s have problems with youtube videos. The other thing is that since they are older often prices are more expensive to repair and upgrade these. Like on G4 system you can sometimes spend $20 for a 512MB RAM stick when the current RAM is going for $30 for 4 GB. Albert From: Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Selling upgraded Macs Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over time. There are quite a few people in every city in the nation trying to refurb and resell older machines (look at craigslist) and they mostly make some money for doing software repairs (not much if any in hardware). You will be competing with these people for the basics of RAM and HD's which work cross platform. To be honest any G4 system is worse on the internet then any old free P4 Intel system which you can find on freecycle these days. Depending on the OS the P4 would still be supported in software where the G4's are a dead end. On Jun 16, 10:46 am, Albert Carter slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: I would caution on this because as has been discussed several times on this list G3s and G4s have problems with youtube videos. The other thing is that since they are older often prices are more expensive to repair and upgrade these. Like on G4 system you can sometimes spend $20 for a 512MB RAM stick when the current RAM is going for $30 for 4 GB. Albert From: Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Selling upgraded Macs Hi all, I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Many students at my community college aren't exactly rich, so many of them try to buy inexpensive laptops or have to use our buggy at best computer lab. Needless to say, there are a lot of cords running around our student center. My thought was, most older Macs are far more usable with a basic set of applications on them than even newer netbooks (point in fact: my brother's one-year old netbook couldn't run full-screen YouTube videos even when brand new, and it chokes on almost any graphics-intensive operation, such as SNES9x, which runs fine on my 300 MHz iBook clamshell). So, I'm wondering if repairing and upgrading Macs for resale would be a viable source of income. Does anybody (well, other than PowerBookMedic and other relatively sizable operations) do this? Obviously, I would be starting off with PowerPC Macs and working my way up to intel models as my net profit permitted. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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This is true. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC owners paying for techs to come repair their systems, replacing one card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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This is so true, Joe. That's one reason I bought an iPad. It's great for email, browsing, movies/music. The G4 systems are just as usable, and they're stable, Macs don't have to worry about virii (often, and they're all on Intel-based systems anyway), so no repair costs there. And I still have Mac for development. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:50 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: This is true. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC owners paying for techs to come repair their systems, replacing one card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Your proctologist called. He said he found your head -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it? Older people like to talk face to face or on the phone, email is used only when they cannot do that or files/links need to be sent. Sure some people with more money then time will spend a few bucks to keep their machine operating, they will also junk it and buy a brand new system instead of investing in 10 year old machines once they deem it to slow or unreliable. I have plenty of old machines (68000 68k to G4-1.25ghz PPC macs) that can do all kinds of tasks, but I am not the casual user either more of a collector. The only people who make much of anything selling old hardware are the recycler who get paid to remove the items in the first place and sell off nicer units while they turn the rest into razor blades. Look around and see what kind of computer shops are staying in business. Good luck in selling used machines for a profit, I think you would find that once you take into account your time invested the dollars/hr is quite low. On Jun 16, 2:50 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: This is true. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if there's a business in setting up old people with these systems. The usability beats PCs, and for email and browsing, these machines still have some life. I know PC owners paying for techs to come repair their systems, replacing one card or another, and charging more than a G4 would cost. On Jun 16, 1:15 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: There is no profit in selling G3/G4 machines that you have to upgrade. Once in a while you can find a cheap or free machine and parts from different places, but you cannot do it in any reasonable volume over time.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as well... On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Flashplayer 10.3 isn't supported on the G4 (forget the last version that was). You can't do Netflix either unless you have an Intel mac. You can play youtube videos as long as they are not HD, even some of the 480p ones get choppy sometimes. Yes you can get virus on a PC, but most issues are just mallware which can be dealt with using software and a firewall. Each platform has its good and bad points. On Jun 16, 5:17 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as well... On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
Hmm, these are some good points to consider. Personally, I find a lot of indifference where I'm at—if it feels responsive (a little SSD will do that), can surf the web (mostly Facebook), and is cheaper than a new computer, people will buy it. My parents have really enjoyed our iMac G4, for instance. What Macs would be good fixer-uppers for profit, then? On Jun 16, 6:00 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Flashplayer 10.3 isn't supported on the G4 (forget the last version that was). You can't do Netflix either unless you have an Intel mac. You can play youtube videos as long as they are not HD, even some of the 480p ones get choppy sometimes. Yes you can get virus on a PC, but most issues are just mallware which can be dealt with using software and a firewall. Each platform has its good and bad points. On Jun 16, 5:17 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: My G4 plays youtube just fine. It also digitizes video, edits it and burns DVDs. It performs better than many late model PCs I've seen, and it's rock solid. It will play the grandson's video just fine. The PC will quickly get a virus and grandma's bank account will be ripped off a week later. I can come up with crazy fear invoking imagery as well... On Jun 16, 4:24 pm, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, there is a market for ripping off the elderly (which is what happens). You can buy brand new netbooks extremely cheap, why mess around with an old bulky clunker that will not work with skype or youtube? I don't see how OSX is any better then Windows XP/7 for a person who isn't a big computer user, they are both easy enough to learn. Do you want to see the look on grandma's face when her grandson sends he a video of his special day and grandma cannot play it?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: What Macs would be good fixer-uppers for profit, then? The premise seems relatively unsound to me. The best way to make a profit from a cheaply acquired Mac would be to part it out for individual components. The idea that you can add value to an old Mac by upgrading it is normally not profitable because of Moore's Law and the price of newer computers in comparison. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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If I had to choose personally, I would take a G4 over ANY Windows system, because in my honest opinion, Windows, any version of it, absolutely SUCKS. It might run great for a few months, but even with virus protection it will be slowing down pretty fast. I have used Windows machines, and Mac OSX machines will consistently run faster and better for longer than the Windows machines. Besides, I just think that Mac OSX is way more intuitive than Windows. This is coming from someone who converted over from Windows. Not all G4's are the same. They range from 350MHZ - Dual 1.42GHZ, and even Dual 1.8GHZ with a Sonnet upgrade. Saying that a G4 will not work with skype or youtube is a generalization. There are some that won't, but the higher end G4's, will do pretty much everything. All said and done, I think that the higher end G4's are still great machines, for basic computing, and still perform really well. Just my 2 cents. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Having looked about on eBay a month or three ago when a friend's eMac was showing signs of approaching death, I would speculate that one of the big problems with what you are proposing is something which, in another context, I think you would refer to as a plus for Macs. But in this context it would be a potential negative, for you at least. For whatever reason, Macs seem to hold value a lot longer than non-Mac gear. I would think that would make it hard to do what you are proposing. Unless you can find dead gear for cheap and breath life back into it. But even that approach is not as easy as you might expect. When bidding on as-is Mac's I found that pretty much anything with a functioning LCD screen would be driven up in price by the folks who break them up and part them out. I think they can get a very good price for a replacement LCD screen. Then the rest is gravy, as they say. It's a nice thought but I'm not sure how you would be able to fill the need of this group looking for inexpensive but usable systems. What could you really offer them? (Ouch! That's sounds harsher than I really meant it to. But hopefully the meaning I intended is clear. :-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Well, I guess there's always the cheating way: get a cheap working Mac from a non-techy and sell it for more than you bought it for. Looking at some completed listings on eBay shows that this could actually work, if I market it right (hey, just like Apple ^_^). On Jun 16, 9:20 pm, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: I've been doing a little looking around on eBay lately, as well as my college, and I'm perceiving a market for inexpensive but useable computers. Having looked about on eBay a month or three ago when a friend's eMac was showing signs of approaching death, I would speculate that one of the big problems with what you are proposing is something which, in another context, I think you would refer to as a plus for Macs. But in this context it would be a potential negative, for you at least. For whatever reason, Macs seem to hold value a lot longer than non-Mac gear. I would think that would make it hard to do what you are proposing. Unless you can find dead gear for cheap and breath life back into it. But even that approach is not as easy as you might expect. When bidding on as-is Mac's I found that pretty much anything with a functioning LCD screen would be driven up in price by the folks who break them up and part them out. I think they can get a very good price for a replacement LCD screen. Then the rest is gravy, as they say. It's a nice thought but I'm not sure how you would be able to fill the need of this group looking for inexpensive but usable systems. What could you really offer them? (Ouch! That's sounds harsher than I really meant it to. But hopefully the meaning I intended is clear. :-) -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
