Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, You are comparing apples to oranges here. The Vocalizer Add-on and Leasey are completely two different types of programs, are supported differently by NVDA, thus is a poor comparison. Let me explain. With Leasey it is written to be a screen reader add-on. It directly interfaces with the screen reader, and is written in the screen reader's own scripting language. Thus it is subject to the same type of license of the screen reader it is written for. In the case of NVDA that would be the GPL which means it couldn't be closed source. The Vocalizer voices are not a part of NVDA. They are a completely separate entity legally and technically so of course can be closed source. The only connection they have to NVDA is the Vocalizer drivers, which by the way are open source, and are in keeping with the NVDA license agreement. So you see if the add-on is a module for NVDA it has to be open source. If it is a separate program that works independent of NVDA it can be closed source. HTH On 8/11/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: that can't be because we have vocalizer addon for NVDA and vocalizer is not open source. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
purchasing it has already had ample opportunity to do so. Despite people's frustration, I would urge people to remember that Philip released several free games as well as the Blast Bay Game Studio. He contributed a lot of time and energy to this community and deserves our respect. Cheers, Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com On 7/27/2015 1:30 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Chaps, we should probably keep this discussion specific to Q9 rather than turning it into a FS bashfest, however tempting that might be. I'm not a mod, just felt the need to try and steer things back on course seeing as my post seems to have sparked off this little slew of messages. Scott On 7/27/15, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: I refuse to use jaws based on the business moddle freedom scientific operates. I bought window eyes in 2007 and I only had to renew my SMA's last year. Fs will drain you of money and for what? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Josh K Sent: 27 July 2015 19:35 To: Gamers Discussion list; phi...@blastbay.com Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I have not used jaws in over 5 years and don't plan on going back to it. i use NVDA and window eyes. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/27/2015 2:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Let's be honest, though. Rehab is probably going to be getting JAWS for clients, and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to get Leasey as an add-on, especially for their clients who don't know anything about computers. I'm not saying that what he's doing is fair at all, but I think that Q9 might spread further than we otherwise think. Thanks, Ari On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The only way that they will find out about this game, though, is to buy an expensive software package. That's a pretty high, and unreasonable, way to find out about it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. On 29 Jul 2015, at 01:40, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10332 - Release Date: 07/29/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hello Ari, Agreed. Here in the States at least Jaws is generally purchased by agencies for clients and I can see in certain cases Leasey being purchased along side Jaws for JSay and other stuff that comes bundled with it. So in those circumstances yes Q9 might spread further than one might assume by being bundled with Leasey. On 8/10/15, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote: Let's be honest, though. Rehab is probably going to be getting JAWS for clients, and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to get Leasey as an add-on, especially for their clients who don't know anything about computers. I'm not saying that what he's doing is fair at all, but I think that Q9 might spread further than we otherwise think. Thanks, Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I believe windows pricing is: $119 for home, $199 for pro -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 16:01 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, I believe your Windows analogy is pretty close a comparison as we can get. Not exactly the same situation, but close enough for comparison that the concepts carry over. As you said Leasy costs no more than it ever has and I believe Brian has purchased Q9 to include in Leasey as a sort of freebie the way the Windows games are for Windows users. Although, I believe a standard Windows DVD costs like $125 nobody can accuse Microsoft of essentially charging $125 for Solitaire, Hearts, Minesweeper, and their other games simply because they are considered by Microsoft as add-ons or freebies included with the Windows package as a whole. From their perspective you are not so much buying those games as you are buying an operating system complete with multiple programs such as media players, text editors, games, web browsers, etc. To accuse them of selling games for $125 wouldn't make sense from their point of view. Leasey seems to be a similar situation. Brian sees, rightly or wrongly, Q9 as being another nifty add-on to Leasey. He does not see it as selling a game since he is selling a bunch of scripts as well as a package or suite of programs to the end user. You buy one you get all, and thus he sees it as a package deal even though the majority of gamers just want the game itself. The only thing I can think of that is sort of similar to this situation is Internet Explorer. Long ago, we are talking the early 1990's, Internet Explorer use to be a stand alone program. A person went out and purchased a computer with say MS Dos 6.2 and Windows 3.1 on it, and had to buy Internet Explorer separate if they wanted it. When Windows 95 came out Microsoft bundled Internet Explorer as part of the Windows 95 release, and stopped selling Internet Explorer to Windows 3.1 customers. Unfair some might say, but from Microsoft's point of view they were giving it away for free now that it was bundled in their latest operating system rather than sold separately. Some 20 years later nobody cares because it has for the most part all been forgotten about, and I suspect there are many on this very list that have never used anything prior to Windows 95 so don't know or remember the days when Internet Explorer was not a freebie. I said all that to make the point that Brian is undoubtedly viewing Q9 as some freebie, an add-on, to his Leasey package and does not consider the money he is losing by not selling it separately. I suspect that he purchased it with the soul aim of boosting sales of Leasey, of having exclusive content, that can only be gotten by getting Leasey. While that is rotten, unfair, sucks, I can remember similar cases where companies like Microsoft have done the same sort of thing but people have forgotten about it. Leasey customers are unlikely to know or care that Q9 was once sold separately and over time the people who know and remember that will slowly fade. Even if they don't they have no control over the situation so at this point I consider the matter a mute point since nobody here can make a difference. Cheers! On 8/10/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Josh. I've heard this arguement that the game is now worth 200 usd before, but that is just looking at it from one perspective. From Brian Hartgen's point of view he has bought Q9 to essentially be a bonus. It's like the solitare and other games that comes with windows. It would be foolish to say that microsoft are selling a solitare game for $300 (or however much a windows install costs these days), it's that microsoft are selling windows as the main operating system and solitare, pinball, spades etc come as a freee extra. That is how I believe Brian Hartgen is viewing Q9. he sells Leasy for 200 usd which is the same price he's always sold it for, and people get a fun little game as a look at this freebee! item. The problem though is Q9 is not like solitare. it's not just a fun little time waster, it is a well crafted game that has had significant work put into it, which is exactly why I accuse Brian of devaluing what he has bought, indeed while I hold Philip generally blaimeless in the matter, I am extremely sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to the game to another, more responsable person who recognized the worth of what they had rather than thinking oh game, worth not much, I'll throw it in for free I'm also dissappointed that this moron Brian, even though he clearly did not know the value of what he had didn't change his thinking once he recieved so many complaints. Whether he is hoping people will buy leasy just for the game, or whether (as I personally believe is more likely), he is sticking to his guns just to be bloody
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hello Ari, Correct. Leasey is completely closed source and NVDA is licence under the GPL which requires most things to be open source and to really do what Leasey does it would have to be open source. Therefore since Leasey is a commercial project the GPL type license wouldn't allow them to support NVDA the same way they support Jaws without also essentially giving it away for free. At least is how I take the situation. Cheers! On 8/10/15, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote: From what I heard, the developers of Leaseyo did actually approach the developers of NVDA about supporting it; things fell through, though, because NVDA requires that all their code be open source, which makes sense, and it seemed like the developers of Leasey either weren't willing or weren't able to do that. Thanks, Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The prices I was quoting were the official microsoft numbers for windows 10 - I'm not sure about any other version or sellers. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 16:40 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi John, That sounds about right. Although, the pricing for Windows depends on the retailer the person buys it from. It can be slightly higher or cheaper depending on where one buys it. Cheers! On 8/10/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe windows pricing is: $119 for home, $199 for pro --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Tom. My one major issue with this is as I said that Philip's work that he obviously put much time and trouble into is being so devalued, and is being so badly curtailed for no reason. Brian Hartgen could! still sell the game for 20 usd as Philip did as a stand alone program and! give it away free with leasy if he desired, indeed it could be a great promo for him. Buy Leasy and you get this free game worth 20 usd! As I said though, he is just being a bloody minded arse hole with no respect for what he has purchiced. No, he is not the first business owner to do this, nor will he be the last, indeed this is a classic example of what Marx called the Alienation of labour ie, someone who makes or develops or produces something being utterly debased from the value of that thing, and it is also typical of the business world that the customers and potential customers have no power in this dynamic whatsoever, anymore than Philip did the second he signed over that contract. You are correct that unfortunately that is that, but I don't think people's bad feelings towards Brian Hartgen are unjustified, and personally i feel extremely sorry for Philip to think that his game in the future will have such profoundly limited availability, sinse I doubt very much anyone will! buy leasy just for the purposes of playing Q9, and though people might buy leasy and spend some minutes with the game, I'd be willing to bet that this won't be half as many as would do so if it were just sold without restriction. Okay, end of contributions from me on this matter. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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frustration, I would urge people to remember that Philip released several free games as well as the Blast Bay Game Studio. He contributed a lot of time and energy to this community and deserves our respect. Cheers, Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com On 7/27/2015 1:30 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Chaps, we should probably keep this discussion specific to Q9 rather than turning it into a FS bashfest, however tempting that might be. I'm not a mod, just felt the need to try and steer things back on course seeing as my post seems to have sparked off this little slew of messages. Scott On 7/27/15, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: I refuse to use jaws based on the business moddle freedom scientific operates. I bought window eyes in 2007 and I only had to renew my SMA's last year. Fs will drain you of money and for what? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Josh K Sent: 27 July 2015 19:35 To: Gamers Discussion list; phi...@blastbay.com Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I have not used jaws in over 5 years and don't plan on going back to it. i use NVDA and window eyes. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/27/2015 2:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
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Hi John, That sounds about right. Although, the pricing for Windows depends on the retailer the person buys it from. It can be slightly higher or cheaper depending on where one buys it. Cheers! On 8/10/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe windows pricing is: $119 for home, $199 for pro --- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, I believe your Windows analogy is pretty close a comparison as we can get. Not exactly the same situation, but close enough for comparison that the concepts carry over. As you said Leasy costs no more than it ever has and I believe Brian has purchased Q9 to include in Leasey as a sort of freebie the way the Windows games are for Windows users. Although, I believe a standard Windows DVD costs like $125 nobody can accuse Microsoft of essentially charging $125 for Solitaire, Hearts, Minesweeper, and their other games simply because they are considered by Microsoft as add-ons or freebies included with the Windows package as a whole. From their perspective you are not so much buying those games as you are buying an operating system complete with multiple programs such as media players, text editors, games, web browsers, etc. To accuse them of selling games for $125 wouldn't make sense from their point of view. Leasey seems to be a similar situation. Brian sees, rightly or wrongly, Q9 as being another nifty add-on to Leasey. He does not see it as selling a game since he is selling a bunch of scripts as well as a package or suite of programs to the end user. You buy one you get all, and thus he sees it as a package deal even though the majority of gamers just want the game itself. The only thing I can think of that is sort of similar to this situation is Internet Explorer. Long ago, we are talking the early 1990's, Internet Explorer use to be a stand alone program. A person went out and purchased a computer with say MS Dos 6.2 and Windows 3.1 on it, and had to buy Internet Explorer separate if they wanted it. When Windows 95 came out Microsoft bundled Internet Explorer as part of the Windows 95 release, and stopped selling Internet Explorer to Windows 3.1 customers. Unfair some might say, but from Microsoft's point of view they were giving it away for free now that it was bundled in their latest operating system rather than sold separately. Some 20 years later nobody cares because it has for the most part all been forgotten about, and I suspect there are many on this very list that have never used anything prior to Windows 95 so don't know or remember the days when Internet Explorer was not a freebie. I said all that to make the point that Brian is undoubtedly viewing Q9 as some freebie, an add-on, to his Leasey package and does not consider the money he is losing by not selling it separately. I suspect that he purchased it with the soul aim of boosting sales of Leasey, of having exclusive content, that can only be gotten by getting Leasey. While that is rotten, unfair, sucks, I can remember similar cases where companies like Microsoft have done the same sort of thing but people have forgotten about it. Leasey customers are unlikely to know or care that Q9 was once sold separately and over time the people who know and remember that will slowly fade. Even if they don't they have no control over the situation so at this point I consider the matter a mute point since nobody here can make a difference. Cheers! On 8/10/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Josh. I've heard this arguement that the game is now worth 200 usd before, but that is just looking at it from one perspective. From Brian Hartgen's point of view he has bought Q9 to essentially be a bonus. It's like the solitare and other games that comes with windows. It would be foolish to say that microsoft are selling a solitare game for $300 (or however much a windows install costs these days), it's that microsoft are selling windows as the main operating system and solitare, pinball, spades etc come as a freee extra. That is how I believe Brian Hartgen is viewing Q9. he sells Leasy for 200 usd which is the same price he's always sold it for, and people get a fun little game as a look at this freebee! item. The problem though is Q9 is not like solitare. it's not just a fun little time waster, it is a well crafted game that has had significant work put into it, which is exactly why I accuse Brian of devaluing what he has bought, indeed while I hold Philip generally blaimeless in the matter, I am extremely sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to the game to another, more responsable person who recognized the worth of what they had rather than thinking oh game, worth not much, I'll throw it in for free I'm also dissappointed that this moron Brian, even though he clearly did not know the value of what he had didn't change his thinking once he recieved so many complaints. Whether he is hoping people will buy leasy just for the game, or whether (as I personally believe is more likely), he is sticking to his guns just to be bloody minded after recieving lots of cryticism becuase he assumes he knows best I can't say. Either way it clearly shows me that he's not just ignorant of games but ignorant of good business if once he gets something which people planely want to buy, he refuses to sell it individually. As
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I agree with you tom. I like the game, but itsno problem if its moved away somewhere. On 10/08/2015 12:29 p.m., Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, That's a bit obvious. No one is complaining about Q9 but the way the transfer was handled and the way Brian Hartgen has decided to distribute the game now that he has it. The point in my message you responded to is that if people don't like the new distribution policy that the game could be cloned, a new version developed, without the Leasey and Jaws restrictions. Obviously the clone would not be the same as the original due to copyrights but something very similar could be developed if that were something someone wanted to do. I'm not sure I like the game quite that much to rewrite it myself though. A lot of the elements in Q9 are pretty generic. We have a forest level, cave level, mountain level, and so forth. The enemies are gorillas, bats, rhinos, leopards, and wolves. Weapons are mainly a club and a slingshot. Point being that stuff is so common and generic that it is not copyrightable. The only things that are copyrightable is the sounds, music, and the little alien Q9 himself. If we created a game using a caveman doing the same things the game play could be identical to Q9 and not be considered copyright infringement. Make sense? On 8/8/15, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Heck I don't think q9 was the issue. for its time q9 rocked. I don't know if I'd buy q9 again or a game like it. I think the issue tom was more how it was sold and who got it. In this case a restricted platform which is what is getting people in a hustle about is the big thing. I don't think people care that its sold but to someone that needs jaws and well has a package which is quite expensive and way over the origional game price is the problem and that it happened in a sudden fashion. I think I have covered all bases. oh the archive for kitchensinc is now up and ready to rock. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. I know Tj was philip's first game and that later he stopped using javascript and maybe architecturally the system could've been programmed better, but the game did a lot right, indeed I bought it in 2006 when it was a commercial game and wasn't sorry. Each side scrolling level was a little different, whether attacking monkies on vines or fighting torgons, including their leader. While I wasn't as taken with the sterrio targeting bits like tiger fight and the torgon battle with the gun, the acting and music made them work. The only two portions I thought were particularly off were the guess the numbers bonus game and honey hunt where you basically just hit one button, though I did rather like the honey hunt boss. I also liked the fact that the difficulties other than easy really! got hard, and usually that difficulty wasn't just about speed so much as it was about slightly changing challenges, so a remake of tj, definitely a good plan. The only thing I will say is that if a new game were a remake of tj specifically, it wouldn't be tj if it didn't use the same sounds and music, and cut scenes. Kelly, Liam and Philip all did an amazing job. If the remake were more a sequel, then it'd still be nice to have some of the same elements, indeed maybe even if Philip wouldn't remake the game he might reprise some of his acting, same goes for Kelly though I imagine Liam is probably a bit busy these days with other matters. Either way, good idea, because Tj was actually a pretty awesome game for what it was. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh. I've heard this arguement that the game is now worth 200 usd before, but that is just looking at it from one perspective. From Brian Hartgen's point of view he has bought Q9 to essentially be a bonus. It's like the solitare and other games that comes with windows. It would be foolish to say that microsoft are selling a solitare game for $300 (or however much a windows install costs these days), it's that microsoft are selling windows as the main operating system and solitare, pinball, spades etc come as a freee extra. That is how I believe Brian Hartgen is viewing Q9. he sells Leasy for 200 usd which is the same price he's always sold it for, and people get a fun little game as a look at this freebee! item. The problem though is Q9 is not like solitare. it's not just a fun little time waster, it is a well crafted game that has had significant work put into it, which is exactly why I accuse Brian of devaluing what he has bought, indeed while I hold Philip generally blaimeless in the matter, I am extremely sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to the game to another, more responsable person who recognized the worth of what they had rather than thinking oh game, worth not much, I'll throw it in for free I'm also dissappointed that this moron Brian, even though he clearly did not know the value of what he had didn't change his thinking once he recieved so many complaints. Whether he is hoping people will buy leasy just for the game, or whether (as I personally believe is more likely), he is sticking to his guns just to be bloody minded after recieving lots of cryticism becuase he assumes he knows best I can't say. Either way it clearly shows me that he's not just ignorant of games but ignorant of good business if once he gets something which people planely want to buy, he refuses to sell it individually. As I said, I personally believe at this stage he's just being bloody mindedd, or possibly missunderstanding how many none jaws using, none leasy using potential customers there would be for the game if he sold it, hell he could always still! give it out free with leasy if he desired and! sell it individually. Either way, I'm sorry Phillip sold his game to such an ignorant berk! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think we already have a Mario? -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Josh K Skickat: den 10 augusti 2015 07:03 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home not another tarzan junior. How about a side scroller that combines mario and sonic with mortal combat. And you could get all kinds of weapons like swords and bombs. and make levels where you have to smash cars and stuff with hammers. Or smash cars with your fish as you run bye them or jump over them. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/10/2015 12:40 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Oh, definitely agree. I've actually been doing some thinking and I think what would be cool is a modern remake or clone of Tarzan Junior since presumably Philip still holds the rights and it would be easy to get permission to rewrite TJ. Reason being it could be designed to use similar elements of Q9 but have a much more indepth and better side-scroller of Tarzan Junior. A lot of the elements that made Q9 as good as it was could be carried over to the new side-scroller and Brian Fartgen would have nothing to say about it. Cheers! On 8/10/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well yes Q9 has the fairly standard environments, weapons and gameplay, but as I said it's the design here that matters. This is actually why I'd be interested if one of our more established and experienced developers worked on some sort of side scroller sinse funnily enough while a few have been developed I've not seen any quite as well put together as Q9 for quite some time. Adventure at C: for example has a lot of good points, the rpg stats system and mod creation of new levels not the leased, not to mention challenges etc, but there are still portions that turn into a button masher. About Psycho strike I don't know, though various other attempts like Battlezone or scrolling battles have been rather rough around the edges I think mostly because people assume that creating enemies everywhere and having the player hammer the buttons is what makes a good game rather than messing with the enemy properties. Adventure to fate Project Alpha is extremely atmospheric and has some interesting challenges, but is fundamentally a very different game from something like Q9, closer to a side scroller adventure title, and while combat is very very quick in the birsts it occurs, it's the story and obstacles that make the difference. Angel gift is nothing short of amazing! from it's sound design to it's intelligent enemies, but it's fundamentally a short game, and given the massive and epic amount of sound work I'm not really surprised. So, oddly enough generic as Q9 is, it's been a hell of a long time sinse someone made something like it, much less something very very well designed, indeed the only game we've had that I can really compare it to is Superliam, and of course a game that has maze elements with going up and down on ladders etc the way Deathmatch project alpha currently does and the way the various montizuma games did is still in short supply side scroller wise. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, I don't think anyone will disagree with that. It is bad marketing, but I don't think we need to continue to belabor the point. What is done is done and continuing to moan and groan about it isn't going to change things. So if there is nothing more constructive to say on the issue I think we should close this topic down as we are simply repeating ourselves over and over. Cheers!! On 8/10/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: well its bad marketing. Q9 is not worth $200. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Because philip are a jaws lover -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Brandon Keith Biggs Skickat: den 24 juli 2015 03:38 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hello, It seems as if Licy is just a ton of Jaws scripts combined in a massive package. I've never used it, but from looking at the description, and reviews, that is what it sounds like. Why would they want an audio game sold with it? XD thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ On 7/24/2015 3:29 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I believe that because Q9 was a simple arcade game, it could be a very well intro to playing audio games, as Licy seems to mostly be for newer computer users. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:00 PM, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting change. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit on why you took this rout? -- From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:17 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Dont know Who is it? But no developers force people to use a screen reader like Philip do -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Josh K Skickat: den 9 augusti 2015 16:49 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home don't you mean brian hartgen? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/9/2015 5:48 AM, mattias wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Brandon Keith Biggs Skickat: den 24 juli 2015 03:38 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hello, It seems as if Licy is just a ton of Jaws scripts combined in a massive package. I've never used it, but from looking at the description, and reviews, that is what it sounds like. Why would they want an audio game sold with it? XD thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ On 7/24/2015 3:29 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I believe that because Q9 was a simple arcade game, it could be a very well intro to playing audio games, as Licy seems to mostly be for newer computer users. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:00 PM, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting change. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit on why you took this rout? -- From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:17 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow
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Hi Bryan, I agree. This topic has gone about as far as it can go, and at some point people are just spinning their wheels repeating the same old arguments. We should begin wrapping it up and moving on to something else. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
don't you mean brian hartgen? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/9/2015 5:48 AM, mattias wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Brandon Keith Biggs Skickat: den 24 juli 2015 03:38 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hello, It seems as if Licy is just a ton of Jaws scripts combined in a massive package. I've never used it, but from looking at the description, and reviews, that is what it sounds like. Why would they want an audio game sold with it? XD thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ On 7/24/2015 3:29 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I believe that because Q9 was a simple arcade game, it could be a very well intro to playing audio games, as Licy seems to mostly be for newer computer users. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:00 PM, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting change. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit on why you took this rout? -- From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:17 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Methinks perhaps this topic should be closed. All that can really be said about this issue has been said and then some. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: mattias Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:55 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Don’t know Who is it? But no developers force people to use a screen reader like Philip do -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Josh K Skickat: den 9 augusti 2015 16:49 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home don't you mean brian hartgen? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/9/2015 5:48 AM, mattias wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Brandon Keith Biggs Skickat: den 24 juli 2015 03:38 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hello, It seems as if Licy is just a ton of Jaws scripts combined in a massive package. I've never used it, but from looking at the description, and reviews, that is what it sounds like. Why would they want an audio game sold with it? XD thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ On 7/24/2015 3:29 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I believe that because Q9 was a simple arcade game, it could be a very well intro to playing audio games, as Licy seems to mostly be for newer computer users. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:00 PM, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting change. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit on why you took this rout? -- From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:17 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Mattias, While Philip may be a Jaws user I don't think this situation with Q9 has arisen because he is a Jaws lover. I don't think that had anything to do with it. As Philip explained on the Audiogames.net Forum it was a simple business arrangement where Brian Hartgen offered him an unspecified amount of money to buy the rights to Q9 and Philip sold the game to him. Being a Jaws lover had nothing to do with it. If you had said Brian Hartgen was a Jaws lover I might have agreed with you. Cheers! On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Sinse it was PHilip who sold the game for years from his blastbay company and sinse it was Philip who made the game completely self voicing in the first place requiring no screen reader, if indeed philip was a jaws lover methinks it would've surfaced long ago! :D. Indeed, this is why what Brian Hartgen is doing is so bloody stupid, he's taking a game which doesn't need any dependencies whatsoever, not even a screen reader, and effectively making it Jaws specific, indeed Leasy specific. For all I admit I have had fun coming up with alternative names for Brian Hartgen's product, Sleazey, greasy or lazy, I actually have nothing against the thing, accept for this stupid and shortsighted denigration of a very well put together game into a pointless little extra for a few people who happen to buy a completely ifferent product, and denying said game to the much wider group of people who do not want to buy that product. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Mattias, While Philip may be a Jaws user I don't think this situation with Q9 has arisen because he is a Jaws lover. I don't think that had anything to do with it. As Philip explained on the Audiogames.net Forum it was a simple business arrangement where Brian Hartgen offered him an unspecified amount of money to buy the rights to Q9 and Philip sold the game to him. Being a Jaws lover had nothing to do with it. If you had said Brian Hartgen was a Jaws lover I might have agreed with you. Cheers! On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
There's a whole host of problems with that idea, but I'll list one of the biggest ones. Not every dev uses the same programming language. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Devin Prater Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home The solution to all this is to have all these young, competing developers team up and make something amazing and jaw-dropping for once. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well the game is old, to be honest it was fun while it lasted. And to be honest the keys can just float round the net. I sertainly have no issues with floating mine if someone asks for it. As far as I care phil chose to quit the ag community and sold the game to someone that thought it good for business and thats it. the current stand alone version is technically abandonware even if it legally isn't and especially now you can't get it anymore, blasttbay still has an installer and thats about it. Leasy can't go to nvda because of licencing for opensource, though to be honest if it could use something like tolque which has all the interfaces in which some stuff I use like teamtalk does that could avoid the issue some what, and that is opensource library. Ofcause thats opensource and not payed for, but even so. On 29/07/2015 11:20 a.m., Josh K wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Thomas, When people are angry and need a target to lash out at, they'll find one. It doesn't have to make any sense, because it's not about fixing the problem - it's about venting. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matthias, True, but that is not directly Philip's fault. He sold it to Brian Hartgen who is the one that has locked Q9 to Jaws and Leasey. There is a difference here in who is to blame for the unfortunate state of affairs. I'm puzzled as to why you continue to blame Philip when he no longer owns the game any more and all this grief is being caused by the new owner. On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: But you cant buy the game without the rest jaws stuff --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Probably for the simple reason that Philip sold the game to this particular individual. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Matthias, True, but that is not directly Philip's fault. He sold it to Brian Hartgen who is the one that has locked Q9 to Jaws and Leasey. There is a difference here in who is to blame for the unfortunate state of affairs. I'm puzzled as to why you continue to blame Philip when he no longer owns the game any more and all this grief is being caused by the new owner. On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: But you cant buy the game without the rest jaws stuff --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Matthias, True, but that is not directly Philip's fault. He sold it to Brian Hartgen who is the one that has locked Q9 to Jaws and Leasey. There is a difference here in who is to blame for the unfortunate state of affairs. I'm puzzled as to why you continue to blame Philip when he no longer owns the game any more and all this grief is being caused by the new owner. On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: But you cant buy the game without the rest jaws stuff --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Which isn't Philip's fault. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: mattias Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:56 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home But you cant buy the game without the rest jaws stuff -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Thomas Ward Skickat: den 9 augusti 2015 18:56 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Mattias, While Philip may be a Jaws user I don't think this situation with Q9 has arisen because he is a Jaws lover. I don't think that had anything to do with it. As Philip explained on the Audiogames.net Forum it was a simple business arrangement where Brian Hartgen offered him an unspecified amount of money to buy the rights to Q9 and Philip sold the game to him. Being a Jaws lover had nothing to do with it. If you had said Brian Hartgen was a Jaws lover I might have agreed with you. Cheers! On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Heck I don't think q9 was the issue. for its time q9 rocked. I don't know if I'd buy q9 again or a game like it. I think the issue tom was more how it was sold and who got it. In this case a restricted platform which is what is getting people in a hustle about is the big thing. I don't think people care that its sold but to someone that needs jaws and well has a package which is quite expensive and way over the origional game price is the problem and that it happened in a sudden fashion. I think I have covered all bases. oh the archive for kitchensinc is now up and ready to rock. On 8/08/2015 6:01 p.m., Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, I'm all for the idea of a Q9 clone. A developer, whoever that would be, could create something like Q9 and either sell it or give it away legally. It isn't like such things haven't been done before, and the game is generic enough that something similar can be created without much of a dispute over copyrights. On 7/29/15, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I think everyone has shown themselves. And I don't care to pirate either even though I was one a long time ago. Fact is all other avenues were sorted and no one is shifting. I won't publish my info on here or on the net or on the forum or put it out for everyone to use but if someone requests this off list as a gamer I will send it in protest because of things being unfair. And look at what tom ward posted in the ag.net thread, unless mr ward has changed his stance on the issue. I do understand both sides, however with no warning well. it doesn't matter in the long run anyway. We will just have to create something else based on this or whatever its not like clones havn't been done before we can do it again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Shaun, That's a bit obvious. No one is complaining about Q9 but the way the transfer was handled and the way Brian Hartgen has decided to distribute the game now that he has it. The point in my message you responded to is that if people don't like the new distribution policy that the game could be cloned, a new version developed, without the Leasey and Jaws restrictions. Obviously the clone would not be the same as the original due to copyrights but something very similar could be developed if that were something someone wanted to do. I'm not sure I like the game quite that much to rewrite it myself though. A lot of the elements in Q9 are pretty generic. We have a forest level, cave level, mountain level, and so forth. The enemies are gorillas, bats, rhinos, leopards, and wolves. Weapons are mainly a club and a slingshot. Point being that stuff is so common and generic that it is not copyrightable. The only things that are copyrightable is the sounds, music, and the little alien Q9 himself. If we created a game using a caveman doing the same things the game play could be identical to Q9 and not be considered copyright infringement. Make sense? On 8/8/15, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Heck I don't think q9 was the issue. for its time q9 rocked. I don't know if I'd buy q9 again or a game like it. I think the issue tom was more how it was sold and who got it. In this case a restricted platform which is what is getting people in a hustle about is the big thing. I don't think people care that its sold but to someone that needs jaws and well has a package which is quite expensive and way over the origional game price is the problem and that it happened in a sudden fashion. I think I have covered all bases. oh the archive for kitchensinc is now up and ready to rock. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
well its bad marketing. Q9 is not worth $200. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/9/2015 8:29 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Shaun, That's a bit obvious. No one is complaining about Q9 but the way the transfer was handled and the way Brian Hartgen has decided to distribute the game now that he has it. The point in my message you responded to is that if people don't like the new distribution policy that the game could be cloned, a new version developed, without the Leasey and Jaws restrictions. Obviously the clone would not be the same as the original due to copyrights but something very similar could be developed if that were something someone wanted to do. I'm not sure I like the game quite that much to rewrite it myself though. A lot of the elements in Q9 are pretty generic. We have a forest level, cave level, mountain level, and so forth. The enemies are gorillas, bats, rhinos, leopards, and wolves. Weapons are mainly a club and a slingshot. Point being that stuff is so common and generic that it is not copyrightable. The only things that are copyrightable is the sounds, music, and the little alien Q9 himself. If we created a game using a caveman doing the same things the game play could be identical to Q9 and not be considered copyright infringement. Make sense? On 8/8/15, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Heck I don't think q9 was the issue. for its time q9 rocked. I don't know if I'd buy q9 again or a game like it. I think the issue tom was more how it was sold and who got it. In this case a restricted platform which is what is getting people in a hustle about is the big thing. I don't think people care that its sold but to someone that needs jaws and well has a package which is quite expensive and way over the origional game price is the problem and that it happened in a sudden fashion. I think I have covered all bases. oh the archive for kitchensinc is now up and ready to rock. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
not another tarzan junior. How about a side scroller that combines mario and sonic with mortal combat. And you could get all kinds of weapons like swords and bombs. and make levels where you have to smash cars and stuff with hammers. Or smash cars with your fish as you run bye them or jump over them. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 8/10/2015 12:40 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Oh, definitely agree. I've actually been doing some thinking and I think what would be cool is a modern remake or clone of Tarzan Junior since presumably Philip still holds the rights and it would be easy to get permission to rewrite TJ. Reason being it could be designed to use similar elements of Q9 but have a much more indepth and better side-scroller of Tarzan Junior. A lot of the elements that made Q9 as good as it was could be carried over to the new side-scroller and Brian Fartgen would have nothing to say about it. Cheers! On 8/10/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well yes Q9 has the fairly standard environments, weapons and gameplay, but as I said it's the design here that matters. This is actually why I'd be interested if one of our more established and experienced developers worked on some sort of side scroller sinse funnily enough while a few have been developed I've not seen any quite as well put together as Q9 for quite some time. Adventure at C: for example has a lot of good points, the rpg stats system and mod creation of new levels not the leased, not to mention challenges etc, but there are still portions that turn into a button masher. About Psycho strike I don't know, though various other attempts like Battlezone or scrolling battles have been rather rough around the edges I think mostly because people assume that creating enemies everywhere and having the player hammer the buttons is what makes a good game rather than messing with the enemy properties. Adventure to fate Project Alpha is extremely atmospheric and has some interesting challenges, but is fundamentally a very different game from something like Q9, closer to a side scroller adventure title, and while combat is very very quick in the birsts it occurs, it's the story and obstacles that make the difference. Angel gift is nothing short of amazing! from it's sound design to it's intelligent enemies, but it's fundamentally a short game, and given the massive and epic amount of sound work I'm not really surprised. So, oddly enough generic as Q9 is, it's been a hell of a long time sinse someone made something like it, much less something very very well designed, indeed the only game we've had that I can really compare it to is Superliam, and of course a game that has maze elements with going up and down on ladders etc the way Deathmatch project alpha currently does and the way the various montizuma games did is still in short supply side scroller wise. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Bryan, True. Not every developer does use the same programming language and/or platform. That said, there are ways around that problem if the developers really and truly want to work together to develop something decent. As with every collaboration project there would be a bit of give and take, and some developers would have to bone up on another language and tools which isn't that bad all things considered. An experienced developer such as myself can grab a Teach Yourself X in 24-Hours type book, read it, and be up and running in a new language in a week or so. The reason being after one gets passed the unique syntax and specific language fundamentals its the same as everything else. A variable is a variable, a class is a class, a function is a function, and if one knows how to program in one or more languages already learning a new one is a piece of cake. So a collaboration isn't totally out of the question. It is just that someone might have to be willing to give up on one language and tools to use whatever the group is using. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, Oh, definitely agree. I've actually been doing some thinking and I think what would be cool is a modern remake or clone of Tarzan Junior since presumably Philip still holds the rights and it would be easy to get permission to rewrite TJ. Reason being it could be designed to use similar elements of Q9 but have a much more indepth and better side-scroller of Tarzan Junior. A lot of the elements that made Q9 as good as it was could be carried over to the new side-scroller and Brian Fartgen would have nothing to say about it. Cheers! On 8/10/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well yes Q9 has the fairly standard environments, weapons and gameplay, but as I said it's the design here that matters. This is actually why I'd be interested if one of our more established and experienced developers worked on some sort of side scroller sinse funnily enough while a few have been developed I've not seen any quite as well put together as Q9 for quite some time. Adventure at C: for example has a lot of good points, the rpg stats system and mod creation of new levels not the leased, not to mention challenges etc, but there are still portions that turn into a button masher. About Psycho strike I don't know, though various other attempts like Battlezone or scrolling battles have been rather rough around the edges I think mostly because people assume that creating enemies everywhere and having the player hammer the buttons is what makes a good game rather than messing with the enemy properties. Adventure to fate Project Alpha is extremely atmospheric and has some interesting challenges, but is fundamentally a very different game from something like Q9, closer to a side scroller adventure title, and while combat is very very quick in the birsts it occurs, it's the story and obstacles that make the difference. Angel gift is nothing short of amazing! from it's sound design to it's intelligent enemies, but it's fundamentally a short game, and given the massive and epic amount of sound work I'm not really surprised. So, oddly enough generic as Q9 is, it's been a hell of a long time sinse someone made something like it, much less something very very well designed, indeed the only game we've had that I can really compare it to is Superliam, and of course a game that has maze elements with going up and down on ladders etc the way Deathmatch project alpha currently does and the way the various montizuma games did is still in short supply side scroller wise. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Tom. Well yes Q9 has the fairly standard environments, weapons and gameplay, but as I said it's the design here that matters. This is actually why I'd be interested if one of our more established and experienced developers worked on some sort of side scroller sinse funnily enough while a few have been developed I've not seen any quite as well put together as Q9 for quite some time. Adventure at C: for example has a lot of good points, the rpg stats system and mod creation of new levels not the leased, not to mention challenges etc, but there are still portions that turn into a button masher. About Psycho strike I don't know, though various other attempts like Battlezone or scrolling battles have been rather rough around the edges I think mostly because people assume that creating enemies everywhere and having the player hammer the buttons is what makes a good game rather than messing with the enemy properties. Adventure to fate Project Alpha is extremely atmospheric and has some interesting challenges, but is fundamentally a very different game from something like Q9, closer to a side scroller adventure title, and while combat is very very quick in the birsts it occurs, it's the story and obstacles that make the difference. Angel gift is nothing short of amazing! from it's sound design to it's intelligent enemies, but it's fundamentally a short game, and given the massive and epic amount of sound work I'm not really surprised. So, oddly enough generic as Q9 is, it's been a hell of a long time sinse someone made something like it, much less something very very well designed, indeed the only game we've had that I can really compare it to is Superliam, and of course a game that has maze elements with going up and down on ladders etc the way Deathmatch project alpha currently does and the way the various montizuma games did is still in short supply side scroller wise. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
But you cant buy the game without the rest jaws stuff -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Thomas Ward Skickat: den 9 augusti 2015 18:56 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Mattias, While Philip may be a Jaws user I don't think this situation with Q9 has arisen because he is a Jaws lover. I don't think that had anything to do with it. As Philip explained on the Audiogames.net Forum it was a simple business arrangement where Brian Hartgen offered him an unspecified amount of money to buy the rights to Q9 and Philip sold the game to him. Being a Jaws lover had nothing to do with it. If you had said Brian Hartgen was a Jaws lover I might have agreed with you. Cheers! On 8/9/15, mattias mjonsson1...@icloud.com wrote: Because philip are a jaws lover --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Shaun, I'm all for the idea of a Q9 clone. A developer, whoever that would be, could create something like Q9 and either sell it or give it away legally. It isn't like such things haven't been done before, and the game is generic enough that something similar can be created without much of a dispute over copyrights. On 7/29/15, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I think everyone has shown themselves. And I don't care to pirate either even though I was one a long time ago. Fact is all other avenues were sorted and no one is shifting. I won't publish my info on here or on the net or on the forum or put it out for everyone to use but if someone requests this off list as a gamer I will send it in protest because of things being unfair. And look at what tom ward posted in the ag.net thread, unless mr ward has changed his stance on the issue. I do understand both sides, however with no warning well. it doesn't matter in the long run anyway. We will just have to create something else based on this or whatever its not like clones havn't been done before we can do it again. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Charles, A comment about your comment. There is a lot more to the legalization of illegal drugs than just everyone is doing it. Some studies have shown that countries like Portugal which have relaxed their drug policies have a less of a drug problem per person than countries that have really strict drug policies. I know that sounds contrary, but relaxing drug policies, legalizing drugs, has had the opposite effect than that which people usually think. Cheers! On 7/29/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: One of the problems with today's society is that because everyone does it, it's OK. It's no big deal because, what the heck, everyone does it. Make illegal drugs legal because everyone's using them anyway, so why bother? Just because theft is common practice, it should not be OK to steal. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Shaun, We have a strict no piracy rule here on Audyssey so yes the mods do mind. While I am upset with how Q9 was handled that doesn't mean I'll relax the rule about sharing the keys on this or any other list I run because it is piracy. Just because I think Mr. Hartgen is being a bit of a jerk doesn't mean I would publicly disrespect his right to sell the game by allowing people to share keys etc on list. Of course, what people do off the list is none of my business and while I can't legally encourage people to crack the game I am in no position to discourage it either. P.S. Please, stop referring people to my comments on Audiogames.net. Much of what I said there was heat of the moment and while not anything I can't live with I don't appreciate being referred to as though those comments are representative of how I feel now. On 7/28/15, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well strictly speaking probably not but read tward on the ag forum. I don't think the mods will mind if people start sharing keys though I'd probably hasard a guess you would have to do it off list. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Tom. In light of this debate, I did go and play Q9, and one thing struck me. Lots of people have tried! to develop games like Q9 but not many have been as successful, look at games like Battle Zone, indeed I would say that these are probably the most common type of audiogames people first try to make with Bgt and I've seen plenty of practice games and works in progress over on the audiogames.net forum that have employed the same idea. Yes, the 1D side scroller concept is very simple, but Q9 executed it particularly well, with the properties of how the attacks and enemies worked, the great sound and music, and Philip's extremely funny acting. Could someone create a similar game in the future? very probably, however the number of people who have tried and not quite succeeded makes me think that there was a lot more care and craftsmanship in Q9 than the phrase simple side scroller would imply, which is precisely why it's sad that in future the game's availability will be so restricted thanks to one person's greed. As I said previously, it's the very disrespect to Philip's great work on Q9 essentially turning a stand alone game into just an extra freeby for people who buy a very specific software package that gets up my nose, and I'm sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to his game to someone more perceptive. There really isn't much else to add to the hating on Greasy and it's developer that has not been said, my point however is that even a simple side scroller like Q9 requires quite some design, and Q9 had that design. ? For example, enemy movement speed. I loved the points in Q9 when you'd be fighting wolves in the cave but then have a bear coming to get you. The bear moved slowly, but you couldn't generally inflict damage on it without it damaging you first, you thus had to coordinate your quick attacks against the wolves, the encroaching bear, and any bats in the area. Thus, even though Q9 was a side scroller with not much by way of enemey attack properties to play with, it still required you to judge a number of factors together, not just hear, react and hit as quickly as possible, not to mention preserving amo. Whether the most recent entry in the side scroller category, Psycho strike has this level of design I don't know sinse I'm still waiting for the Xp issue to be fixed with the game in order to try it, but undoubtedly it's the design that went into Q9 that made it such a major release. Indeed I remember at the time it was released five years ago that you yourself Tom said well it's surprising how many people are enjoying such a simple arcade style game All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I agree, and it's such a shame blastbay is no longer in operation. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Tom. In light of this debate, I did go and play Q9, and one thing struck me. Lots of people have tried! to develop games like Q9 but not many have been as successful, look at games like Battle Zone, indeed I would say that these are probably the most common type of audiogames people first try to make with Bgt and I've seen plenty of practice games and works in progress over on the audiogames.net forum that have employed the same idea. Yes, the 1D side scroller concept is very simple, but Q9 executed it particularly well, with the properties of how the attacks and enemies worked, the great sound and music, and Philip's extremely funny acting. Could someone create a similar game in the future? very probably, however the number of people who have tried and not quite succeeded makes me think that there was a lot more care and craftsmanship in Q9 than the phrase simple side scroller would imply, which is precisely why it's sad that in future the game's availability will be so restricted thanks to one person's greed. As I said previously, it's the very disrespect to Philip's great work on Q9 essentially turning a stand alone game into just an extra freeby for people who buy a very specific software package that gets up my nose, and I'm sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to his game to someone more perceptive. There really isn't much else to add to the hating on Greasy and it's developer that has not been said, my point however is that even a simple side scroller like Q9 requires quite some design, and Q9 had that design. ? For example, enemy movement speed. I loved the points in Q9 when you'd be fighting wolves in the cave but then have a bear coming to get you. The bear moved slowly, but you couldn't generally inflict damage on it without it damaging you first, you thus had to coordinate your quick attacks against the wolves, the encroaching bear, and any bats in the area. Thus, even though Q9 was a side scroller with not much by way of enemey attack properties to play with, it still required you to judge a number of factors together, not just hear, react and hit as quickly as possible, not to mention preserving amo. Whether the most recent entry in the side scroller category, Psycho strike has this level of design I don't know sinse I'm still waiting for the Xp issue to be fixed with the game in order to try it, but undoubtedly it's the design that went into Q9 that made it such a major release. Indeed I remember at the time it was released five years ago that you yourself Tom said well it's surprising how many people are enjoying such a simple arcade style game All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Correction. It's Brian Hartgen. Personally if it had been my product I would have set certain conditions before agreeing to the sale. Well one at any rate, and that would have been that the game also needed to be available as a standalone for those who couldn't or didn't want to spend a hundred or more dollars for the entire package. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: mattias Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:25 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Because philip love jaws to much -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Thomas Ward Skickat: den 29 juli 2015 01:49 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Josh, Yeah, of course it isn't fair. From now on if someone wants the game they have to pirate it. Sad but true. There is no longer a legal way to affordably purchase the game. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, I agree with all your points. Although, Q9 is a simple side-scroller it was well thought out and well designed from a development standpoint. It had good game mechanics, good music, good sounds, a bit of light humor, and a lot of beginners just aren't quite able to deliver that quality. The reason it was such a good game is that Philip wasn't a newbie, had in fact developed other games before, and thus had more skill and experience than your average newbie. Plus he was willing to put more money into the project thus was able to buy high quality sounds and music. Q9 is an example of what can be done with experience and a bit of money on a developer's side. As for my surprise when it was released that was because I have played all kinds of arcade games from the 80's and Q9 reminded me a lot of what was available 30 years ago, and that is not a bad thing. Although simple Q9 played quite a bit like classic arcade games such as Pitfall, and that made it special and unique since I have not found many audio games that reminds me so much of mainstream games. It is not easy to capture that nostalgia and exact feeling of yesteryear and Q9 did it for me. On 8/8/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. In light of this debate, I did go and play Q9, and one thing struck me. Lots of people have tried! to develop games like Q9 but not many have been as successful, look at games like Battle Zone, indeed I would say that these are probably the most common type of audiogames people first try to make with Bgt and I've seen plenty of practice games and works in progress over on the audiogames.net forum that have employed the same idea. Yes, the 1D side scroller concept is very simple, but Q9 executed it particularly well, with the properties of how the attacks and enemies worked, the great sound and music, and Philip's extremely funny acting. Could someone create a similar game in the future? very probably, however the number of people who have tried and not quite succeeded makes me think that there was a lot more care and craftsmanship in Q9 than the phrase simple side scroller would imply, which is precisely why it's sad that in future the game's availability will be so restricted thanks to one person's greed. As I said previously, it's the very disrespect to Philip's great work on Q9 essentially turning a stand alone game into just an extra freeby for people who buy a very specific software package that gets up my nose, and I'm sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to his game to someone more perceptive. There really isn't much else to add to the hating on Greasy and it's developer that has not been said, my point however is that even a simple side scroller like Q9 requires quite some design, and Q9 had that design. ? For example, enemy movement speed. I loved the points in Q9 when you'd be fighting wolves in the cave but then have a bear coming to get you. The bear moved slowly, but you couldn't generally inflict damage on it without it damaging you first, you thus had to coordinate your quick attacks against the wolves, the encroaching bear, and any bats in the area. Thus, even though Q9 was a side scroller with not much by way of enemey attack properties to play with, it still required you to judge a number of factors together, not just hear, react and hit as quickly as possible, not to mention preserving amo. Whether the most recent entry in the side scroller category, Psycho strike has this level of design I don't know sinse I'm still waiting for the Xp issue to be fixed with the game in order to try it, but undoubtedly it's the design that went into Q9 that made it such a major release. Indeed I remember at the time it was released five years ago that you yourself Tom said well it's surprising how many people are enjoying such a simple arcade style game All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Bryan, Maybe so but the fact of the matter is I get the feeling this deal went down rather suddenly. I don't know what if any influence Philip had over distribution of Q9 when Brian Hartgen took control of the product, and I'm not sure he really cared about new sales that much. The only condition I know of is that Hartgen support those who already have keys which makes sense. As far as new sales goes I think Philip was thinking that well had run dry as he hadn't gotten any sales for a long time before this deal went down so probably wasn't thinking there would be an angry mob of people wanting to buy the game on mass. Cheers! On 8/8/15, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Correction. It's Brian Hartgen. Personally if it had been my product I would have set certain conditions before agreeing to the sale. Well one at any rate, and that would have been that the game also needed to be available as a standalone for those who couldn't or didn't want to spend a hundred or more dollars for the entire package. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
It may be economically immoral, but it is not steeling If I steel, there is no other replacement. Piracy is literally copying. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Problem is: People might see what else is out there, if they explore. But Leesy isn't made for that. Its made to sort of lock you in, to get you with it and have all the tools and fun you'll ever need. So no, I doubt they'll come here, no. They'll stay with the games Leesy has made available to them. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Ian Reed supp...@blindaudiogames.com wrote: +1 Nick Adamson. Also remember that many developers read the audiogames.net forum and this mailing list. Seeing how community members respond to one developer's choices is an easy way to guess how they would act towards other developers whenever they find something disagreeable. Expressing frustration in a civil manner is one thing, but name calling and open endorsement of piracy is entirely different. ~ Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com On 7/29/2015 12:17 AM, Nick Adamson wrote: Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
The solution to all this is to have all these young, competing developers team up and make something amazing and jaw-dropping for once. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Shaun Everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well the game is old, to be honest it was fun while it lasted. And to be honest the keys can just float round the net. I sertainly have no issues with floating mine if someone asks for it. As far as I care phil chose to quit the ag community and sold the game to someone that thought it good for business and thats it. the current stand alone version is technically abandonware even if it legally isn't and especially now you can't get it anymore, blasttbay still has an installer and thats about it. Leasy can't go to nvda because of licencing for opensource, though to be honest if it could use something like tolque which has all the interfaces in which some stuff I use like teamtalk does that could avoid the issue some what, and that is opensource library. Ofcause thats opensource and not payed for, but even so. On 29/07/2015 11:20 a.m., Josh K wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hello, It seems as if Licy is just a ton of Jaws scripts combined in a massive package. I've never used it, but from looking at the description, and reviews, that is what it sounds like. Why would they want an audio game sold with it? XD thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ On 7/24/2015 3:29 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I believe that because Q9 was a simple arcade game, it could be a very well intro to playing audio games, as Licy seems to mostly be for newer computer users. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:00 PM, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting change. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit on why you took this rout? -- From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:17 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hello, Yes it would have been way more advantageous to announce that the sales were going to end in 2 weeks so get your version of q9 before it sells out, but he didn't do that. If you wish to play q9, find someone and play it on their computer. I have never played it and it is only because of this topic that I have ever wanted to play it. thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ On 7/27/2015 8:35 PM, Josh K wrote: I have not used jaws in over 5 years and don't plan on going back to it. i use NVDA and window eyes. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/27/2015 2:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Can all people stop take Philip in Defence Or what the English word are I meen wich developer force people to use a specific screen reader -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Charles Rivard Skickat: den 29 juli 2015 02:51 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I would think that he's shooting himself in both feet with this practice. As for hoping that he goes bankrupt or anything like that, I hope not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. However, I feel that sensibly written complaints are valid, and I hope that, eventually, he sees the light and does what is appropriate. If the game is made available as a stand alone purchase, I hope he considers that a quick nickel always beats a slow dollar when it comes to income. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, I agree. Selling Q9 as a separate product might do him more good than including it as an add-on for Leasey, but apparently he thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to care what we think and I don't see that situation changing any time soon. As for your feelings on the matter I'm pretty certain a lot of others are wishing him and his business ill will right now. He said in his most recent blog post that he has been getting a lot of hate mail over this, and I'm not surprised. As a recipient of some of that hate mail myself I know how nasty this community can be when something gets them upset over something. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who think as you do that are hoping Leasey fails, that Brian goes financially bankrupt, or someone pirates his software into oblivion. None of which are a bit realistic, but I guess if it helps quell someone's rage to dream about such things they will. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom, good business practice and moron hood are not mutually exclusive concepts :D. Ultimately Q9 would do him more good as a stand alone program than just as a little extra addon for his Leasy thing, sinse I suspect there are far more potential Nvda, window eyes and supernova users who would buy Q9 as a game than there are Jaws users who would decide to buy Leasy based on the fact it comes with Q9. no, this chap isn't part of the community, but frankly if you just go acquiring random software and selling without a knolidge of your customer base or what good that software might do and think you can stuff it in a box as a job lot and sell to your usual customers, you are a Moron indeed! I hope he does see sense, or goes out of business, or that people pirate the game sinse I hate to see audiogames lost to posterity, especially for such a ridiculous reason as one man's short sighted greed. Of course as I said, none of this is Philip's fault, I just wish he'd sold the rights to someone less scummy, or more intelligent. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Because philip love jaws to much -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] För Thomas Ward Skickat: den 29 juli 2015 01:49 Till: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Ämne: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Josh, Yeah, of course it isn't fair. From now on if someone wants the game they have to pirate it. Sad but true. There is no longer a legal way to affordably purchase the game. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
according to the audiogames net forum the game is old and phill is not developing it anymore so decided to put it where it is now. I personally don't aggree with people putting things to a jwas centric platform the cost is one thing and the other is it requires a sertain software package. It would be like my favorite office program requiring the top of the line processer or thousand dollar video card or something like that. I understand why it was done and if leasy supported more stuff I may even buy into the platform in a few years time. as it is though bar q9 and a few stand alone free games nothing to see for the home user at least. On 24/07/2015 7:00 a.m., john wrote: Interesting change. Would you be willing to elaborate a bit on why you took this rout? -- From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:17 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
well you can still get a demo if you have a key allready. or someone will probably give you a key. Its probably what will happen on the forum its been suggested that that may be the only way to play the game now. On the otherside its an old game it was a good intro to bgt but I havn't played it in ages. On 25/07/2015 4:50 a.m., Darren Duff wrote: So what happendes if you don't have jfw or don't want the Leasey package but you just want the game? Slitely confused here! Darren Duff. amateur radio station KK4AHX. Follow me on twitter @darren_duff friend me on face book http://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff. primary E-mail duff...@gmail.com Mobile E-mail mobiledu...@gmail.com skype duffman31279 On 7/23/2015 10:17 AM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
, just felt the need to try and steer things back on course seeing as my post seems to have sparked off this little slew of messages. Scott On 7/27/15, Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com wrote: I refuse to use jaws based on the business moddle freedom scientific operates. I bought window eyes in 2007 and I only had to renew my SMA's last year. Fs will drain you of money and for what? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Josh K Sent: 27 July 2015 19:35 To: Gamers Discussion list; phi...@blastbay.com Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I have not used jaws in over 5 years and don't plan on going back to it. i use NVDA and window eyes. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/27/2015 2:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Well strictly speaking probably not but read tward on the ag forum. I don't think the mods will mind if people start sharing keys though I'd probably hasard a guess you would have to do it off list. On 29/07/2015 5:53 a.m., Josh K wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
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I agree. Leasy costs a lot then again its jaws I object to buying. I'd buy leasy maybe. On 29/07/2015 2:59 a.m., dark wrote: As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Just because they do so, that does not make it lawful to do so. Stealing is stealing regardless of how many do it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: lenron brown lenro...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home hmmm grand skeem of things friends will share books games and whatever else they like. On 7/28/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime
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One of the problems with today's society is that because everyone does it, it's OK. It's no big deal because, what the heck, everyone does it. Make illegal drugs legal because everyone's using them anyway, so why bother? Just because theft is common practice, it should not be OK to steal. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home well yes technically the dictionary definition is right. but really all this over a game? a $25 or $30 game? I can see pirating jaws its over $1000 and not many can afford it but pirating a $30 game or even $70 eloquence really no need. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 10:31 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I
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well the game is old, to be honest it was fun while it lasted. And to be honest the keys can just float round the net. I sertainly have no issues with floating mine if someone asks for it. As far as I care phil chose to quit the ag community and sold the game to someone that thought it good for business and thats it. the current stand alone version is technically abandonware even if it legally isn't and especially now you can't get it anymore, blasttbay still has an installer and thats about it. Leasy can't go to nvda because of licencing for opensource, though to be honest if it could use something like tolque which has all the interfaces in which some stuff I use like teamtalk does that could avoid the issue some what, and that is opensource library. Ofcause thats opensource and not payed for, but even so. On 29/07/2015 11:20 a.m., Josh K wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
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well I do think everything that can be said about this has been said neither side is budging and well the game was old. We will just have to remake it and to be honest the plot was a bit simple, though it was good for its time. On 29/07/2015 3:19 p.m., Josh K wrote: yes good argument lets keep it at that otherwise this could start something bad on list that I don't want started. if you want to share q9 do it in private i think. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:03 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, The problem with your argument is this. Regardless if you take something physical or not if you take something that belongs to a person be it an idea, song, a story, or a piece of software it is still considered steeling because according to the law you have an obligation to pay for it. If someone takes something without paying for it that is by definition steeling. In a case such as this a person hasn't actually stolen the game or software itself, but have stolen the opportunity to sell the software. Therefore that developer loses out on the amount of money he or she was owed which effectively is the same as taking it out of his or her wallet. In both cases the developer does not have the money to spend because he/she never was given the money for that use of the software. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or
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You know I don't think he actually gives a ducks ass. On 29/07/2015 11:14 a.m., Devin Prater wrote: Lol, you could, obviously, but Mister Hard Gin might sue you. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
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I think everyone has shown themselves. And I don't care to pirate either even though I was one a long time ago. Fact is all other avenues were sorted and no one is shifting. I won't publish my info on here or on the net or on the forum or put it out for everyone to use but if someone requests this off list as a gamer I will send it in protest because of things being unfair. And look at what tom ward posted in the ag.net thread, unless mr ward has changed his stance on the issue. I do understand both sides, however with no warning well. it doesn't matter in the long run anyway. We will just have to create something else based on this or whatever its not like clones havn't been done before we can do it again. On 29/07/2015 12:55 p.m., Charles Rivard wrote: I would show it as it is, honestly, pointing out the pitfalls, and let him suffer the consequences. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Well Tom, in that case he can bugger off as well! Ive got half a mind to change the license type to unknown for Q9 in the audiogames.net db and put a note to the effect similar to those on the bsc games that the developer, ie, philip is no longer selling the game and it is legally unavailable, sinse hay if this prat won't support the community, why should that community support him? Then again, even if I just wrote the truth that the game is only now available with a package software deal that requires a Jaws license and even for someone with a Jaws license will cost $150, I doubt it'll improve his sales figures anyway :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Brandon, Essentially Leasey is a series of Jaws scripts. I suspect they want to sell games and other software with it to entice people into buying Leasey. It is possible they discovered their scripts are not doing as well as they might financially and are hoping to maximize sales by adding more additional content. On 7/23/15, Brandon Keith Biggs brandonkeithbi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, It seems as if Licy is just a ton of Jaws scripts combined in a massive package. I've never used it, but from looking at the description, and reviews, that is what it sounds like. Why would they want an audio game sold with it? XD thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs http://www.brandonkeithbiggs.com/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Which is basically everybody's point. I also don't think that anybody's actually come right out endorsing piracy, or at least most aren't. There is a difference between endorsing something and just saying that one will feel little or no sympathy for someone if said thing happens to him. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 10:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home The only way that they will find out about this game, though, is to buy an expensive software package. That's a pretty high, and unreasonable, way to find out about it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. On 29 Jul 2015, at 01:40, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10332 - Release Date: 07/29/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
The only way that they will find out about this game, though, is to buy an expensive software package. That's a pretty high, and unreasonable, way to find out about it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. On 29 Jul 2015, at 01:40, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10332 - Release Date: 07/29/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. On 29 Jul 2015, at 01:40, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
+1 Nick Adamson. Also remember that many developers read the audiogames.net forum and this mailing list. Seeing how community members respond to one developer's choices is an easy way to guess how they would act towards other developers whenever they find something disagreeable. Expressing frustration in a civil manner is one thing, but name calling and open endorsement of piracy is entirely different. ~ Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com On 7/29/2015 12:17 AM, Nick Adamson wrote: Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Yes, lets drop the stealing topic. It has no place on this list, and it is getting very close to breaking the list guidelines. So with that in mind I consider that subject closed. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: yes good argument lets keep it at that otherwise this could start something bad on list that I don't want started. if you want to share q9 do it in private i think. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. I wouldn't go as far as actually sending the guy hate mail, and I confess my wish that leasy fails was a little bit of bile on my part, however my thoughts on piracy are actually serious ones, sinse frankly if something is made unavailable, that is the time people are going to turn to piracy, even people who would not normally do so. This has as I said, already happened with the Bsc titles, code factory and bavisoft. While sending actual hate male and getting nasty is going further than I would, I can understand the impulse behind it sinse frankly this chap is behaving abominably, and yes, even if it is in line with business, that doesn't stop it being abominable (quite the reverse in fact sinse more frequently than not good business is just a psudonim for grasping and greedy). the game already exists as a stand alone program, it doesn't rquire jaws or any screen reader, there is absolutely no need for this, and I ultimately don't think it'll do him much good in the long run. As to the community, well it's part of the problem with any small community, bad feelings go further sinse there is no getting away from them, (look at the salem witch trials). As I said, actually attacking the guy for all I my less than stellar opinion of what he's doing to such a great game as Q9 is far further than I would go, and I do understand the impulse behind it even if I don't agree with the behaviour. Beware the grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Lol, you could, obviously, but Mister Hard Gin might sue you. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Of course its not fair. That's why we scorn the name of that Jaws fetishist. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
If this is so, in fairness, we should think the same of him. If the flaws in his thinking are pointed out to him, and he makes no changes, he's not a good businessman, and will lose out on potential customers, and deservedly so. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. I've read his blog posts regarding Q9 and he sees Q9 as just another piece of software to be purchased and added to his Leasey product. Nothing more, and nothing less. So he does not realize the value of what he owns because as happens all too often in business he just sees Q9 as a business transaction and I don't even think he cares about the product itself other than what it can do to boost sales of Leasey. This community means nothing to him, and we all can bugger off. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would sometimes it's needed. I will not be one to sit up here and lie and say I would never. bhaahahahahah. On 7/28/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
All I'll say is that a non-gamer should never even attempt to actually sell a game. He usually screws up and makes everyone mad in the process. Now, he'll get fewer, I'm willing to bet, purchases of his Jaws-fetishist product than he would have if he'd stuck to his element and just kept slobbering over his first love, Jaws. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Not sure I'd go as far to call Brian Hartgen a moron since his reasons for not selling Q9 separately makes sense from a certain business point of view. As I understand it his entire purpose of acquiring the game was not to sell the game but to use it to add onto his Leasey product, to boost sales of Leasey, so seen from that perspective it makes sense. There is a lot that could be said here greedy, scummy, unfair, etc but the bottom line is he won't sell the game as a stand alone product because it was never his intention to do it that way. He is bundling it into his Leasey product and if you want it you have to pay the big bucks for Leasey. To be honest I don't think Brian Hartgen really thought about the ramifications of what this would do and how angry this would make the audio games community. He saw this as a simple business transaction, one in which would boost sales of Leasey, and he didn't care if it effectively took Q9 off the market. He is not a game developer per se, and thus he has no ties to the community the way many long time audio game developers do. So he just does not see it the same way we see it. To him Q9 is just another piece of software to be sold or added to Leasey rather than sold as a separately existing product. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling something to people is a great way to run a business. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would show it as it is, honestly, pointing out the pitfalls, and let him suffer the consequences. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Well Tom, in that case he can bugger off as well! Ive got half a mind to change the license type to unknown for Q9 in the audiogames.net db and put a note to the effect similar to those on the bsc games that the developer, ie, philip is no longer selling the game and it is legally unavailable, sinse hay if this prat won't support the community, why should that community support him? Then again, even if I just wrote the truth that the game is only now available with a package software deal that requires a Jaws license and even for someone with a Jaws license will cost $150, I doubt it'll improve his sales figures anyway :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't send the guy hate mail either, and when I did send him an e-mail about Q9 I did my best to be polite and courteous. However, I can completely understand the motivations behind some others sending him hate mail or wanting to kick his door down and just take the game by force if they could. The way he is behaving engenders bad feelings on both sides,and ultimately I think it will come back to bite him on the backside one way or another. For one thing there are plenty of people who have valid licenses of Q9 anyway so they won't be buying Leasey unless they genuinely want that product. Those who don't have Q9 licenses either do not want the game or like me won't pay for Leasey just to own that particular game. There is the issue that Leasey is a Jaws specific product, is written as a Jaws add-on, so wouldn't be available to non-Jaws users anyway. So whatever he thinks owning Q9 will gain him isn't much. I don't really see it boosting sales of Leasey, and ultimately this acquisition is doomed to failure as a marketing ploy. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I wouldn't go as far as actually sending the guy hate mail, and I confess my wish that leasy fails was a little bit of bile on my part, however my thoughts on piracy are actually serious ones, sinse frankly if something is made unavailable, that is the time people are going to turn to piracy, even people who would not normally do so. This has as I said, already happened with the Bsc titles, code factory and bavisoft. While sending actual hate male and getting nasty is going further than I would, I can understand the impulse behind it sinse frankly this chap is behaving abominably, and yes, even if it is in line with business, that doesn't stop it being abominable (quite the reverse in fact sinse more frequently than not good business is just a psudonim for grasping and greedy). the game already exists as a stand alone program, it doesn't rquire jaws or any screen reader, there is absolutely no need for this, and I ultimately don't think it'll do him much good in the long run. As to the community, well it's part of the problem with any small community, bad feelings go further sinse there is no getting away from them, (look at the salem witch trials). As I said, actually attacking the guy for all I my less than stellar opinion of what he's doing to such a great game as Q9 is far further than I would go, and I do understand the impulse behind it even if I don't agree with the behaviour. Beware the grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
hmmm grand skeem of things friends will share books games and whatever else they like. On 7/28/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, I agree. Selling Q9 as a separate product might do him more good than including it as an add-on for Leasey, but apparently he thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to care what we think and I don't see that situation changing any time soon. As for your feelings on the matter I'm pretty certain a lot of others are wishing him and his business ill will right now. He said in his most recent blog post that he has been getting a lot of hate mail over this, and I'm not surprised. As a recipient of some of that hate mail myself I know how nasty this community can be when something gets them upset over something. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who think as you do that are hoping Leasey fails, that Brian goes financially bankrupt, or someone pirates his software into oblivion. None of which are a bit realistic, but I guess if it helps quell someone's rage to dream about such things they will. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom, good business practice and moron hood are not mutually exclusive concepts :D. Ultimately Q9 would do him more good as a stand alone program than just as a little extra addon for his Leasy thing, sinse I suspect there are far more potential Nvda, window eyes and supernova users who would buy Q9 as a game than there are Jaws users who would decide to buy Leasy based on the fact it comes with Q9. no, this chap isn't part of the community, but frankly if you just go acquiring random software and selling without a knolidge of your customer base or what good that software might do and think you can stuff it in a box as a job lot and sell to your usual customers, you are a Moron indeed! I hope he does see sense, or goes out of business, or that people pirate the game sinse I hate to see audiogames lost to posterity, especially for such a ridiculous reason as one man's short sighted greed. Of course as I said, none of this is Philip's fault, I just wish he'd sold the rights to someone less scummy, or more intelligent. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Dark, Honestly I wouldn't blame you a bit for doing that. I'd be perfectly okay with you just wiping it from the Audiogames.net database,, because the way I feel about it as long as Brian Hartgen refuses to sell single end user licenses for Q9 the game is basically unavailable for all intents and purposes. If he won't honor this communities wishes for a way to buy the game separate from Leasey then I see no need to support him in any way, shape, or form by advertising his products on Audiogames.net or Audyssey. Let him find his own outlets and methods of selling the game, but we do not have to participate. Petty revenge some might say, but he doesn't deserve respect or acknowledgement after the way he is handling this transaction. As it so happens I have been working on some site updates to Audyssey, creating a searchable index of games, etc and I've decided in light of his attitude to just drop Q9 from the index. As far as Audyssey is concerned the game does not exist. If Brian Hartgen wants our index to include the game then he is going to have to make a stand alone version available or be excluded. I do not support or endorse the way he is selling the game as part of Leasey, I think that is wrong, and it will be reflected in the up and coming site updates as Q9 for all intents and purposes no longer exists to my mind. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom, in that case he can bugger off as well! Ive got half a mind to change the license type to unknown for Q9 in the audiogames.net db and put a note to the effect similar to those on the bsc games that the developer, ie, philip is no longer selling the game and it is legally unavailable, sinse hay if this prat won't support the community, why should that community support him? Then again, even if I just wrote the truth that the game is only now available with a package software deal that requires a Jaws license and even for someone with a Jaws license will cost $150, I doubt it'll improve his sales figures anyway :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Oh, look at what you just sent. You must be very brave. I'm not going to do anything, but that doesn't sound like a good idea On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would think that he's shooting himself in both feet with this practice. As for hoping that he goes bankrupt or anything like that, I hope not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. However, I feel that sensibly written complaints are valid, and I hope that, eventually, he sees the light and does what is appropriate. If the game is made available as a stand alone purchase, I hope he considers that a quick nickel always beats a slow dollar when it comes to income. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, I agree. Selling Q9 as a separate product might do him more good than including it as an add-on for Leasey, but apparently he thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to care what we think and I don't see that situation changing any time soon. As for your feelings on the matter I'm pretty certain a lot of others are wishing him and his business ill will right now. He said in his most recent blog post that he has been getting a lot of hate mail over this, and I'm not surprised. As a recipient of some of that hate mail myself I know how nasty this community can be when something gets them upset over something. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who think as you do that are hoping Leasey fails, that Brian goes financially bankrupt, or someone pirates his software into oblivion. None of which are a bit realistic, but I guess if it helps quell someone's rage to dream about such things they will. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom, good business practice and moron hood are not mutually exclusive concepts :D. Ultimately Q9 would do him more good as a stand alone program than just as a little extra addon for his Leasy thing, sinse I suspect there are far more potential Nvda, window eyes and supernova users who would buy Q9 as a game than there are Jaws users who would decide to buy Leasy based on the fact it comes with Q9. no, this chap isn't part of the community, but frankly if you just go acquiring random software and selling without a knolidge of your customer base or what good that software might do and think you can stuff it in a box as a job lot and sell to your usual customers, you are a Moron indeed! I hope he does see sense, or goes out of business, or that people pirate the game sinse I hate to see audiogames lost to posterity, especially for such a ridiculous reason as one man's short sighted greed. Of course as I said, none of this is Philip's fault, I just wish he'd sold the rights to someone less scummy, or more intelligent. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I'll bet that it has just the opposite effect. I, for one, would not buy his package in order to get the game. The game may be thought of as a bonus for those who buy, but I don't think it is enough of an incentive to boost package sales. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, Not sure I'd go as far to call Brian Hartgen a moron since his reasons for not selling Q9 separately makes sense from a certain business point of view. As I understand it his entire purpose of acquiring the game was not to sell the game but to use it to add onto his Leasey product, to boost sales of Leasey, so seen from that perspective it makes sense. There is a lot that could be said here greedy, scummy, unfair, etc but the bottom line is he won't sell the game as a stand alone product because it was never his intention to do it that way. He is bundling it into his Leasey product and if you want it you have to pay the big bucks for Leasey. To be honest I don't think Brian Hartgen really thought about the ramifications of what this would do and how angry this would make the audio games community. He saw this as a simple business transaction, one in which would boost sales of Leasey, and he didn't care if it effectively took Q9 off the market. He is not a game developer per se, and thus he has no ties to the community the way many long time audio game developers do. So he just does not see it the same way we see it. To him Q9 is just another piece of software to be sold or added to Leasey rather than sold as a separately existing product. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling something to people is a great way to run a business. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, Yeah, of course it isn't fair. From now on if someone wants the game they have to pirate it. Sad but true. There is no longer a legal way to affordably purchase the game. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
A suggestion: If the game is available as part of a package that really isn't usable to nonJAWS users, let people know that the game is available for, then list what it will cost people to get it. If I can get the game for $150, and I'm only using this as an example, I won't buy it. The game, which is all I am interested in, is not worth that price. The loss of sales is then Brian's problem and Brian's fault. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the unknown license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
|I bought Q9 several years ago, and had fun playing it. The computer I ran it on isn't functional these days, and I somehow lost track of my authorization key, so it's a shame I'll not be able to play it again unless I want to pay nearly $200, something |I'm not about to do. Firstly, it's because |I don't have that kind of money to spare, and secondly, like others have said, I believe it's unfair to make interested parties pay that price, just to be able to play a game, and bundle it with software they won't use otherwise. I haven't kept with Leasey, but this prompts me to go search out just exactly what it is, out of curiosity. Brian will be the one who eventually will lose money by not selling the game separately, as many more people are willing to pay 20 or 30 bucks for a game, than they would be to shell out five times that much. A majority of us are on low income, so couldn't afford such a thing, even if some of us otherwise might pay that kind of price, which is unlikely to begin with. At 04:15 PM 7/28/2015, you wrote: Hi Josh, From a legal point of view the answer is no. It would be considered piracy to give your product key to anyone who wants it. That said, there is a saying that fits. Anything is legal as long as you don't get caught. Giving out your key would not technically be legal or ethical, but as long as you didn't get caught at it you could do whatever you wanted. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
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Unfortunately from what I hear Brian Hartgen isn't willing to go that route. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Scott, Unfortunately, no. Philip has sold all rights and legal responsibilities for Q9 to Brian Hartgen which means there is no longer any way for him to sell single licenses through Blastbay even if he wanted to. Brian Hartgen now holds all rights to the game, and from what I've read on his blog he is unwilling to sell single licenses. So people who didn't buy the game when it was available through Blastbay are now screwed. Cheers! On 7/27/15, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yes good argument lets keep it at that otherwise this could start something bad on list that I don't want started. if you want to share q9 do it in private i think. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:03 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, The problem with your argument is this. Regardless if you take something physical or not if you take something that belongs to a person be it an idea, song, a story, or a piece of software it is still considered steeling because according to the law you have an obligation to pay for it. If someone takes something without paying for it that is by definition steeling. In a case such as this a person hasn't actually stolen the game or software itself, but have stolen the opportunity to sell the software. Therefore that developer loses out on the amount of money he or she was owed which effectively is the same as taking it out of his or her wallet. In both cases the developer does not have the money to spend because he/she never was given the money for that use of the software. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well yes technically the dictionary definition is right. but really all this over a game? a $25 or $30 game? I can see pirating jaws its over $1000 and not many can afford it but pirating a $30 game or even $70 eloquence really no need. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 10:31 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, The problem with your argument is this. Regardless if you take something physical or not if you take something that belongs to a person be it an idea, song, a story, or a piece of software it is still considered steeling because according to the law you have an obligation to pay for it. If someone takes something without paying for it that is by definition steeling. In a case such as this a person hasn't actually stolen the game or software itself, but have stolen the opportunity to sell the software. Therefore that developer loses out on the amount of money he or she was owed which effectively is the same as taking it out of his or her wallet. In both cases the developer does not have the money to spend because he/she never was given the money for that use of the software. On 7/28/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling something to people is a great way to run a business. Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Unfortunately from what I hear Brian Hartgen isn't willing to go that route. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that new games will come But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have
