Robert Simmons wrote:
Welcome to real life business. In the real world, not everything goes your
way. You get to choose between a mass of political bullshit and having no
choice at all.
you have a choice: open source software. And it's a good choice for real
life business, too.
cheers :D
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Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a
certain logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and
future jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit,
commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We are currently choosing a logging api and
[..] to choose between log4j, LogKit,
commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
There is also logging delivered by Avalon-Framework.
My personal view is that the makers of reusable components should not log at all and
the the
logging choice (log4J directly or one of the abstractions here) is
Dani Estermann wrote:
Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a
certain logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and
future jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit,
commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We are currently choosing a
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything.
--Josef Stalin
Robert Simmons wrote:
JCP is the Java community process. A federation of hundreds of companies that
produces standards (such as EJB) for the Java community. Anyone can be a
member and your vote
Real life business shouldn't be bullshit. I'm not going to buy into that. It
is people like you who opt into the flawed choices instead of speaking up
that allow the flawed choices to continue on longer than they should.
-jon
+1 Well said Jon.
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, [iso-8859-1] Paul Hammant wrote:
[..] to choose between log4j, LogKit,
commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
There is also logging delivered by Avalon-Framework.
I thought that was LogKit Paul?
My personal view is that the makers of reusable components should
For frameworks, you can't tell how the end-user will be configured. That's
why we switched Tapestry over to commons-logging, so that the end-user can
get the benefits of logging, regardless of whether they are using Log4J,
javax.logging or something else. We also ship Log4J, since we try to
At 11:21 29.01.2003 +0100, Dani Estermann wrote:
Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a certain
logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and future
jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit, commons-logging
or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 08:32 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
It's only by understanding the JCP and infiltrating it that we have
much
chance to try and change it though. The whole thing is just one opaque
block from here.
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have many
members (and non-members) participating in various JSRs.
Yeah I know. Thus my questions as to whether
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything.
--Josef Stalin
Actually, the latest update to this is, The court that decides whether
to recount the votes... decides everything.
--
Serge Knystautas
President
Lokitech software .
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have
many
members (and non-members) participating
The only problem is that Tapestry originally had a special, built-in web
page for creating Log4J loggers (nee categories), and changing Log4J
levels
(nee priorities). This used addtiional methods in Log4J Logger for
setting
the level, and elsewhere for creating new loggers. The
I'll probably get this functionality by operating directly on the Log4J API,
but enabling the page only if Log4J is on the classpath.
- Original Message -
From: Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Logging
--- Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:21 29.01.2003 +0100, Dani Estermann wrote:
Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation
that recommends a certain
logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are
existing and future
jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j,
LogKit,
I think the next improvement on who decides should mention guns, anthrax, etc.?
At 10:08 AM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything.
--Josef Stalin
Actually, the latest update to this is, The court
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/godwin_s_law.html
Tom
-Original Message-
From: Micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: nice
I think the next improvement on who decides should mention
guns,
on 2003/1/29 5:56 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe log4j is here to stay. Its user base is large and
growing. As time passes, more people will gravitate to it as it keeps
improving. We have enough cool features in pipe to keep us busy for
the foreseeable future. Simile, the
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2003/1/29 5:56 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe log4j is here to stay. Its user base is large and
growing. As time passes, more people will gravitate to it as it keeps
improving. We have enough cool features in pipe to
on 2003/1/29 7:16 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ASF is a member. Any ASF member is covered by that agreement, and
can thus, if they choose, represent the ASF on the EG if the EG
accepts. IIRC, non-members can also represent the ASF on an expert
group, but it does
So the solution for committers who would like to be involved in the JCP is
to hand around their announce list and website, when a particular new JSR
is announced they can go volunteer. If successful, then they would do the
agreement thing and be an ASF representative?
Hen
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003,
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
(...)
Real life business shouldn't be bullshit. I'm not going to buy into that. It
is people like you who opt into the flawed choices instead of speaking up
that allow the flawed choices to continue on longer than they should.
IMO, the closeness of the JCP process
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
(...)
What else would you like to know? What are your specific problems? is
there a specific technology/spec that you are interested in
participating in? have you ever interacted with the expert group of a
JSR via their interest list or during a public, community
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Love to see a gui framework / tools thingy on apache..
Working on that stuff a lot lately (of course has a Apache Style
License)
Jesktop (http://jesktop.sourceforge.net/) is written by Apache
commiters, Avalon based and could be a good foundation for a GUI project
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is one of my least favourite features of this forrest skin.
Look at this version, which is a modified forrest skin, if it's better:
http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/
I took all the suggestions from users like this one and made that
on 2003/1/29 10:26 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So the solution for committers who would like to be involved in the JCP is
to hand around their announce list and website, when a particular new JSR
is announced they can go volunteer. If successful, then they would do the
Santiago Gala wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is one of my least favourite features of this forrest skin.
Look at this version, which is a modified forrest skin, if it's better:
http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/
I took all the suggestions from users like
Yeah, for instance, I was once interviewed for a contract to hire gig at
Microsoft. (This was circa '97 prior to my involvment in Java). Had I sold
my soul, would I still be able to be a member of Apache?
While I do not subscribe to the jcp ot apache det org mailing list due to
the NDA
And they would not be able to collaborate with their fellow members who are
not in the expert group due to NDAs.
-Andy
- Original Message -
From: Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: nice
So
There is a JCP mail list, but because of various non-disclosure
agreements made by the ASF, it's limited to ASF members, who are bound
by the same agreements. If there is sufficient interest in an open JCP
discussion list, I'm sure we can set that up.
+1 - especially if a goal of it is to
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As always, choose the right tool for the job.
If you need to be able to switch logging implementations, use Commons
Logging.
If you need more power, use log4j.
If you are 100% sure that you will use 1.4+ Java, and have people
accustomed to that logging, use
Hi all!
I saw the Tapestry discussion, and this remindet me, that I wanted to
carry FakeForrest to Jakarta!
So what is it? Simple: It's a set of 2 Velocity/Anakia template-files and
some images. The Velocity templates are build upon the Jakarta-ones and
follow the Jakarta-Anakia-DTD!
What does
http://www.freeroller.net/page/ara_e/20021214
I think we are going to see more and more of this over the coming year as
the economy gets worse and worse and people are expected to produce real
working applications. People are going to start to clue in to the fact that
EJB sucks. JSP sucks. JCP
Pier,
The end of the thread on cocoon-dev...
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
gmsgId=625635
We came to the conclusion (I believe) that we don't _want_ it.
Agree. Much better truly open linkables.
Roughly the whole thread:
JXPath 1.1 Beta 1 has been released.
We released JXPath 1.0 in July 2002. Since then we have added some new
features, fixed a significant number or problems, refactored and beefed up
the JUnit test system. The package has been very stable for quite some
time. Please see draft release notes at
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