e.
Looking forward to it.
I hope you all enjoy a great holiday.
Merry Christmas everyone & see you all back in 2013.
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I think that covers it. If there is anything I forgot - PLEASE BRING IT UP!
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Hi Michael,
The Pax Exam Karaf Container is developed and support by the Apache Karaf
community. I think its best to seek support for your Karaf specific
questions there. Looking at both of you questions its nothing we (at least)
can answer from a Pax Exam Core standpoint.
Cheers,
Toni
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Open a ticket for the change request.
To maintain backward compatibility with existing installations i would
propse a new swissbox-bnd bundle that embeds aqute (+exports). wdyt?
We could also provide a "all in one" paxurl wrap version.
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This is great.
Let us know if you need anything or have suggestions.
Also make sure to try out the Pax Exam 3 Milestones.
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added felix. You can also use equinox if wanted. Just look
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undleContext#getServiceReference api. I'll use the DS approach sometime
> later. I assume this has nothing to do with the bundle remaining in
> installed state.
>
> Thanks again for the review and posting your findings. I'll make the
> changes you suggested.
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Also be aware that the service might not have been published already when
the test is called. At best consume with a service tracker or similar.
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> Hi Neeraj,
>
> You are n
. Instead,
you are always using -SNAPSHOT versions (e.g. 0.0.1-SNAPSHOT). A released
version (everything non snapshot) is assumed to never change. Just leads
you into trouble.
Let me know if this works for you.
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> There is a new exam-maven-plugin to be released with Pax Exam 3.0.0.M4
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ok, that should not be. NativeContainer is in full control of the
provisioning.
Can you open the bug and describe the real behaviour as well as the
behaviour you'd expect ?
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Quick question: i am assuming you are running the paxrunner container? This
is a blackbox to Exam. Yes a sanity run would help here. On the other hand,
that container is on the way out in version 3.0.
Or do you have this behaviour with the other containers? There things are
in exam control and shou
No, pax is the OSGi umbrella at ops4j.
Ops4j master is for all (even non OSGi) projects.
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> Can someone tell me why there is a separate org.ops4j.*pax*:master? This
> (which is used by Tinybundles)
xam/blob/master/**
>> lesson-porcelain/src/test/**java/org/ops4j/pax/exam/**lesson2/<https://github.com/tonit/Learn-PaxExam/blob/master/lesson-porcelain/src/test/java/org/ops4j/pax/exam/lesson2/>
>>
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>> Mohamed Nufail
>> Undergraduate,
>> Departmen
Most people using Junit3 i heard of are Java 1.4 (and below) guys..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Harald Wellmann wrote:
> 2012/8/2 Toni Menzel :
> > - add a ticket for adding a junit3 driver (contributions are highly
> welcome)
>
> If someone contributed a JUnit 3 driver,
Thanks,
> Nufail.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Toni Menzel wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You can use any other build system, you just need to include the pax exam
>> jars into the classpath. Right now the only way to determine the list of
>> jars is by l
ook at the current drivers source code
- or use the pax-exam-player driver (which is very much simplified but
could be enough for your case)
- add a ticket for adding a junit3 driver (contributions are highly welcome)
Hope this helps?
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have seen is to generate a dependencies properties file
> using
> > a plugin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Typically this is used for the dependency versions. However, this is not
> > good enough – I want it to resolve *all* the dependencies, including the
> > transitive ones, from the pom file – is this possible?
> >
> &g
ailable to general purpose containers.
There are also other ways of encoding groups of bundles (Karaf features
e.g.) that we might incorporate..
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> Hi all,
>
> I have a rather nasty bug nagging me right now [1].
> after digging around this I realized we still have a dependency for a
> 1.0-beta-7 used in pax-url.
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JDK1.4
- Hudson Plugins updated
Enjoy,
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On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Toni Menzel wrote:
> Gang,
>
> I am taking ci.ops4j.org offline for upgrading the default JDK6 install
> and adding the additional JDKs to Hudson at the same time.
> Will let you know when things are do
Gang,
I am taking ci.ops4j.org offline for upgrading the default JDK6 install and
adding the additional JDKs to Hudson at the same time.
Will let you know when things are done.
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> Thanks for heads up, Harald! Will upgrade the JDK. Probably we we add a
> JDK6 as well JDK7 builds for selected projects ?
> Btw, Harald was the main
the 2.4.0 sources with JDK
> 1.6.0_26 (Linux 64 bit).
>
> After downgrading the Pax URL dependency to 1.4.0.RC1, the problem
> disappears.
>
> With 1.6.0_32 or 1.7.0_04, everything is fine.
>
> So I think we should upgrade the JDK on the CI server.
>
> Cheers,
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Andy, i somehow feel that we should get rid of making this log stuff a
mandatory dependency .. sounds stupid you need to install another,totally
vertical thing in order to use the service .. wdyt?
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Upgrade to Pax Exam 2.4.0RC1 <http://team.ops4j.org/browse/PAXURL-175>
PAXURL-174 <http://team.ops4j.org/browse/PAXURL-174>
Expose Parser to "client" bundles <http://team.ops4j.org/browse/PAXURL-174>
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Is possible and known as "remote Container" Setup. I will head back to you
from the office tomorrow with details.
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>
> Quick question. Just wondering can pax exam a
Gang,
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Studio and Owners in Github.
Reason is that Dmytro is a long term friend of OPS4J & now going to donate
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> No. Not too much history.
>
> Are there any plans to do this for some relatively soon release?
>
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yup, thanks, Vincent!
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Vincent Vallet wrote:
> Done.
> http://team.ops4j.org/browse/PAXEXAM-360
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 17 April 2012 09:40, Toni Menzel wrote:
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>> Can you file an issues at team.ops4j.org ?
>>
>> Will chec
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>
> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
> org.ops4j.pax.swissbox.framework.RemoteFrameworkImpl
>
> at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202)
>
> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(N
ready to be released ?
For me, for the cruise goes to Pax URL 2.0 anyway, so i haven't used Master
for quite a time.
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>> 2. Re: Debugging pax exam tests (Toni Menzel)
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("org.apache.felix.gogo.command").version(version)
> );
> }
>
> public static Option gogoShell()
> {
> return gogoShell(DEFAULT_VERSION);
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> A bit late but might be useful.
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> cheers,
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&g
to suspend the test and
> then telnet in to an Equinox console if I have my options set correctly. Is
> that the sort of approach you'd recommend, or is there something simpler?
>
>
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You guys are absolutely correct! The possibly affected projects at ops4j
are: Pax URL,Pax Runner and Pax Exam..
I am having a look at this just now.
Thanks guys for stepping up!
Toni
On Mar 4, 2012 4:33 PM, "Achim Nierbeck" wrote:
> +1 for this :)
>
> Am 03.03.2012 06:03, schrieb Andreas Pieber:
ven.surefire.booter.ForkedBooter.main(ForkedBooter.java:69)
>
> Is there any way to avoid this error such as by having pax-exam check if the
> framework is already stopped before trying to stop it?
I will have a look at forked container, which you are using
appealingly. Please add a Jira ticket including configuration
information (how to reproduce).
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> Ok, thats strange now. I think there is something odd with your Class
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> class+method sig
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you need to compile jsp files. :)
> but I'll try to take a look at how I can get around this, though afair
> if you use plain jetty, the jdt compiler is also provided.
>
> regards, Achim
>
> 2012/2/13 Toni Menzel
>
>> Import ob Eclipse jdt is clearly a bug.
>>
Import ob Eclipse jdt is clearly a bug.
Please raise an issue on jira!
Toni
On Feb 13, 2012 12:47 PM, "Daniel Stoch" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In pax-web-jetty-bundle 1.1.2 there is an Import-Package to
> org.eclipse.jdt.*. This causes that we must add to application bundles
> related to Eclipse JDT. Is t
Gang,
i see Pax Web & Wicket Builds stuck since about 20hrs. Also there are
build/test errors.
Please check if desired. ;)
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But yes, this is what will be cleaned up. Its so much legacy from time
where maven (maven2) was basically not-embeddable so we ended up (or
actually Alin did) re-implementing a simple maven resolver.
Thats all not necessary with Aether + Maven3.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Toni Menzel wrote
t...
> - Do we need to hard-code the central repository URL? Where does Maven
> get it from - the Super POM? Does Aether or some other Maven component
> offer a suitable API?
>
> Would be good to see that cleaned up in Pax URL 2.x.
>
> Cheers,
> Harald
>
> 2012/2/6 To
lobal singleton
URL Handler approach (which i know is one of the major selling points of
Pax URL for sure, but it comes with drawbacks).
For this, I've just opened a Wiki collecting ideas and directions for what
i'd call "Pax URL 2": http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/paxurl/Pax
ay/ops4j/Committers+Tooling>that
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>
>> Having a look at it right now.
>> Regarding Exam 2.4.0RC1: Good one! Though there should be the clear plan
>> how to move to 2.4.0 final (like "no blockers wit
to start such a new project.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:58, Toni Menzel wrote:
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>> FYI, i just draft a wiki site here
>> http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/ops4j/Pax+Tipi
>>
>> to pin the stuff we agreed on in this threa
**asf/servicemix/smx4/bundles/**
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repository.
> Same stands for any osgi bundle. So if you proxy one or deploy it to a
> repository the OBR xml and P2 will reflect that fact.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Toni Menzel wrote:
> > Sounds great! Good to see some OSGi stuff dropping out of Sonatype
> finally
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with all OSGi support running soon.
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> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Toni Menzel wrote:
> > Yes, thats the thing i was speaking of! Thanks Alin! Can you put it back
> ?
> > How about the codebase or assembly to play around off the record ?
> >
> > On Fr
O.
> >>
> >> Care would need to be taken about versioning though, because it would be
> >> possible to change the manifest template and cause the next on-the-fly
> >> result for the corresponding bundle to be different from the previous
> result
> >>
gt; about it.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/cbeust/testng/pull/86
> > [2] https://issuetracker.springsource.com/browse/EBR-803
> > [3] https://github.com/KentBeck/junit/pull/368
> > [4] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=365798
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doing. Is anybody working on these modules or are they dead ends?
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> Import-Package: ..., !org.slf4j.impl, *
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Thanks for explanation, Stuart!
I just found it suspicious that an "impl" import slipped through.
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> import org.slf4j.impl sounds utterly wrong. Introduced by a fluf
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> > I'm hoping someone who knows which embedded dependency this import came
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to general in-container testing. With that
in mind, we should be sensible with default options.
Toni
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Makes sense!
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> Am 10.01.2012 17:43, schrieb Toni Menzel:
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>> But it was also the time when Maven Central was
>> not that cen
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