On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and
obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire container in
less than 2
On 8/10/02 3:09 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What does c stand for? Oh wait...explain that to your designers. Also, I
believe you forgot a bunch of other junk that you have to put at the top of
the file or in configuration files to configure what c means anyway.
It is
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From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
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The above could just as easily be written as:
html
headtitleHello/title/head
PHP 5 and MySQL 4 will make java, .Net, and all similar technologies
obsolete.
Said one manager to another manager on a golf court, after having
spent the weekend with his 12 year old son who built the school
website.
It took me a week ton convince the another manager that it might
not be a
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
I believe that Andy doesn't quite know what templates are ! :-) Dude,
we're not talking about the beauty of XML around here, but stuff that
Macromedia DreamWeaver can parse and (somehow) render! :-)
In my shop we've gone our own way, with our own templating sytem
(fun tread: tea, tapestry, no one said the other one
http://www.salmonllc.com/website/Jsp/vanity/Jade.jsp )
This presentation/vie layer stuff is a popular topic.
Rumor is that JSR 127 (JS Faces) could allow for emitting of
http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/ and do all rendering on browser via
I both agree and disagree with you. The trouble is that XSLT syntax is
horrific and some of the specs (for a specific example the XInclude
spec) are bent on violating SoC more than embedding if statements ever
could (having to declare a base url is a greater evil).
There is a production concern
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So putting out crap code that you have to toggle and mess with over and
over again is where the money is at in web app development. So what is
the solution? There isn't one...web app development is still a big
hairy mess. Choice is good. ;-)
Well
Its too bad that the clans don't play nice together... I'm convinced
together... They could come up with something MUCH MUCH better than this
mess. (provided some GUI wonks could be found) ;-)
(and there is my theme) ;-)
-Andy
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:42, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Andrew C.
On 10/7/02 9:56 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
on 2002/10/7 5:41 PM, Martin Cooper
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, I know Velocity fans won't like this any better,
but if you bring
the JSP example on that page up to
On 10/8/02 12:13 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/7/02 9:56 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
on 2002/10/7 5:41 PM, Martin Cooper
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, I know Velocity fans won't like this
Hello ,
we have developed a web site in which we have implemented struts for
designing the page , this works fine on Apache and jsp engine from
oracle (9ias)
but we now have to move the web site to apache and tomcat environment.
the jsp pages are compiling fine on this env. but only the
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I was trying to stay out, but this *always* comes up in these discussions,
and I think it's somewhat disingenuous. First, you have a similar thing in
JSTL, and one added and desginers who work with JavaScript on the client
side get method calls.
It's not differnet than
on 2002/10/8 1:14 AM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it even more amusing to see you try to defend
I never defend. I only offend by exposing the truth. =)
-jon
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on 2002/10/8 2:42 AM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PHP 5 and MySQL 4 will make java, .Net, and all similar technologies
obsolete.
Said one manager to another manager on a golf court, after having
spent the weekend with his 12 year old son who built the school
website.
It took me
on 2002/10/8 8:41 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's why Velocity is as fast as JSP.
geir
...if not faster...
-jon
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on 2002/10/8 9:39 AM, amar bhatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello ,
we have developed a web site in which we have implemented struts for
designing the page , this works fine on Apache and jsp engine from
oracle (9ias)
but we now have to move the web site to apache and tomcat environment.
I think my next hack'd app will be in Velocity rather than JSP. As I
learn more about it I think I find it less disgusting than JSP.
(Although I still don't like it for the previously mentioned reasons)
Even if it ties me to an Apache-proprietary template language, trading
that for something
I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the
StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX.
Hey, that looks like maven! :P
It is a pretty cool webapp
that has really transformed things for us and made my life
MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the events
that show up on the
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:14, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Possibly Avalon does this (to some degree) but it
only covers a subset of what you need and furthermore it goes out of its
way to define far to many is a relationships just to avoid having
default implementations (public void init() {/*empty
on 2002/10/8 2:32 PM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the
StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX.
Hey, that looks like maven! :P
Actually, it looks like CollabNet's SourceCast. Scarab looks like SourceCast
and Maven looks like Scarab. =)
Bingo!
At 10:55 AM 10/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Its too bad that the clans don't play nice together... I'm convinced
together... They could come up with something MUCH MUCH better than this
mess. (provided some GUI wonks could be found) ;-)
(and there is my theme) ;-)
-Andy
On Tue,
At 12:07 08.10.2002 -0700, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the StudioZ.tv website in
PHP4 on OSX. It is a pretty cool webapp that has really transformed things
for us and made my life MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the
events that show
I disagree with such Java Jingoism. Jon's reasoning sounded pretty good
to me. . Launching several JVMs sucks. And doing all in one is a recipe
for disaster... (crash bang boom)
This is a sucky thing about java. You get a JVM always whether you want
one or not.. to do it in java he needs a
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and
obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire
on 2002/10/8 3:39 PM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is surprising that a Java expert with monumental contributions to
this community would not use Java technology to create his website. Is
this a case of do as I say, not as I do?
Of course one is free to try new approaches but the
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