New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Stefan Hepper
Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the reference implementation of the JSR 168 Portlet Specification. Please see http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?PlutoProposal for more details (I've also attached the proposal below). Regards,

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-01-21 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin. +1 to both. It is my intent to declare this vote closed immediately

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I would like to state my support and desire to be involved in the project. I do kinda think a project proposal might be premature since the specification isn't public yet. -Andy Stefan Hepper wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-01-21 Thread Conor MacNeill
Sam Ruby wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin. +1 to both. +1 Conor -- To unsubscribe,

New Jakarta proposal: Charon

2003-01-21 Thread Peter Fischer3
Hi, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Charon, that should provide a demo implementation of the WSRP Specification (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/wsrp/). Please see http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?CharonProposal for more details (I've also attached the

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Conor MacNeill
Stefan Hepper wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the reference implementation of the JSR 168 Portlet Specification. Please see http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?PlutoProposal for more details (I've also attached the proposal

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Steven Noels
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I would like to state my support and desire to be involved in the project. I do kinda think a project proposal might be premature since the specification isn't public yet. I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. No code, a

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Note the mail was cc'd to both. Conor MacNeill wrote: Stefan Hepper wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the reference implementation of the JSR 168 Portlet Specification. Please see

New Projects

2003-01-21 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
What is it with IBM people suddenly wanting to start projects based around JSR's? Looks suspicious to me. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Steven Noels wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: project. I do kinda think a project proposal might be premature since the specification isn't public yet. I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. No code, a restricted community, too

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Steven Noels
Henri Yandell wrote: Is this not-invented-here-ism or maintaining scope? From my part: scope fairness. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Alex McLintock
At 13:38 21/01/03, Stefan Hepper wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the reference implementation of the JSR 168 Portlet Specification. Please see http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?PlutoProposal for more details (I've also

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Sam Ruby
Steven Noels wrote: I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. Deja vu. Check back next week for the inevitable complaint that Pluto is too mature. No code, a restricted community, too much committers coming from one company, I've seen better proposals

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Paul Balogh
I've been away from the Jetspeed list, but I believe that they are intending to fully support JSR168. http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/ -- Paul Balogh Co-Owner / Lead Developer The Netrix Group www.netrixgroup.com We live for this stuff... Andrew C. Oliver said: I would like to state my

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Pier Fumagalli
As this is an implementation of a JSR, I believe that the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list should be made aware of those plans... I forwarded your email there... Pier Stefan Hepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Steven Noels
Sam Ruby wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. Deja vu. What else could one expect ;-) Check back next week for the inevitable complaint that Pluto is too mature. No code, a restricted community, too much committers

Light Weight JDO Implementation?

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Simmons
Greetings, I was wondering if there was a JDO implementation in the planning stages. I know, you are probably going to answer, Go look at OJB. However, to face reality, OJB was started and an OMG data mapping implementation. It is far too big to be warped into a world class JDO

AW: Light Weight JDO Implementation?

2003-01-21 Thread Mahler Thomas
Hi Robert, Greetings, I was wondering if there was a JDO implementation in the planning stages. OJB provides a plugin to the JDO reference implementation. By using this plugin you can write JDO compliant applications running against the OJB O/R mapping. See here for a sample

Re: Light Weight JDO Implementation?

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Simmons
Interesting your replies. I actually looked at OJB in consideration of a book I am working on in which I use JDO. What I donate want to have to do is allot of complex configuration and initialization to get it to work. Although I am interested in writing JDO code, at this moment I'm a pure user.

Re: New Projects

2003-01-21 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: What is it with IBM people suddenly wanting to start projects based around JSR's? Looks suspicious to me. IBM has proposed ASF projects in the past. IBM has both lead and participated in JSRs. In fact, JSR 110 is both lead by IBM and has an open source reference

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Stefan Hepper
Hi, here some answers to questions asked in this thread: - Apache was one of the first memebers in the JSR 168 Expert Group and IBM asked Apache explicitly for their support before submitting this JSR. Currently the Apache resprentative in the Expert Group is David Sean Taylor from the

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Alex McLintock
At 17:41 21/01/03, you wrote: One more question: why not doing this as a subproject of JetSpeed ? It is an existing jakarta project, the scope matches - why creating a separate jakarta community instead of joining the existing one ? I assume that it would be a tool which could be used by the

Re: Light Weight JDO Implementation?

2003-01-21 Thread Thomas Mahler
Hi again Robert, Robert Simmons wrote: Interesting your replies. I actually looked at OJB in consideration of a book I am working on in which I use JDO. What I donate want to have to do is allot of complex configuration and initialization to get it to work. Although I am interested in writing

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-01-21 Thread Charles Burdick
The criteria you used for nominating people seems a bit weird to me. Release managers I understand somewhat, but contributers to the newsletter? That's like saying those that baked cookies for the last board meeting should be nominated. Weird. Arbitrary. Rewards self-promotion, not

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-01-21 Thread Sam Ruby
Charles Burdick wrote: The criteria you used for nominating people seems a bit weird to me. Release managers I understand somewhat, but contributers to the newsletter? That's like saying those that baked cookies for the last board meeting should be nominated. I have a lot more respect for the

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Santiago Gala
Alex McLintock wrote: At 17:41 21/01/03, you wrote: One more question: why not doing this as a subproject of JetSpeed ? It is an existing jakarta project, the scope matches - why creating a separate jakarta community instead of joining the existing one ? I assume that it would be a tool

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Costin Manolache
Alex McLintock wrote: At 17:41 21/01/03, you wrote: One more question: why not doing this as a subproject of JetSpeed ? It is an existing jakarta project, the scope matches - why creating a separate jakarta community instead of joining the existing one ? I assume that it would be a tool

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Santiago Gala
Sam Ruby wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. Deja vu. Check back next week for the inevitable complaint that Pluto is too mature. No code, a restricted community, too much committers coming from one company, I've

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Santiago Gala
Stefan Hepper wrote: Hi, here some answers to questions asked in this thread: - Apache was one of the first memebers in the JSR 168 Expert Group and IBM asked Apache explicitly for their support before submitting this JSR. Currently the Apache resprentative in the Expert Group is David Sean

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Costin Manolache wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:31:32 -0800 From: Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto Alex McLintock wrote: At 17:41 21/01/03, you

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-01-21 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sam Ruby wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: The criteria you used for nominating people seems a bit weird to me. Release managers I understand somewhat, but contributers to the newsletter? That's like saying those that baked cookies for the last board meeting should be nominated. IMHO, this

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: snip/ Totally! Anyone doing portal work will probably understand the need for this. -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Projects

2003-01-21 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2003/1/21 8:10 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: What is it with IBM people suddenly wanting to start projects based around JSR's? Looks suspicious to me. IBM has proposed ASF projects in the past. IBM has both lead and participated in JSRs. In fact, JSR

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Luta, Raphael (VUN)
From: Henri Yandell bayard at generationjava.com On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Steven Noels wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: project. I do kinda think a project proposal might be premature since the specification isn't public yet. I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems

Re: PMC members, can u help me??

2003-01-21 Thread Santiago Gala
Eduardo Andrés Alfonso Sierra wrote: Hi again, I wrote this message a few days ago... Hi I'm an undergraduate student of Computer Science and I'm interested in how a group of developers that are geographically separated works. You are exactly that kind of group. I wanna know what

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Luta, Raphael (VUN) wrote: From: Henri Yandell bayard at generationjava.com Is this different from Tomcat and/or JSTL? If so, how? I'm clueless on portlets, but from my 'vague consumer' view, I thought the JSR was standardising a lot of what Jetspeed does. A

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread V. Cekvenich
I realy think JetSpeed could use competition, to make it better. .V Alex McLintock wrote: At 13:38 21/01/03, Stefan Hepper wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the reference implementation of the JSR 168 Portlet Specification. Please

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Conor MacNeill
Steven Noels wrote: I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. No code, a restricted community, too much committers coming from one company, I've seen better proposals being fought over lately. Also, possible future integration 'ideas' with some related

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Stefan Hepper
Hi, here some more answers to questions that arouse: - Pluto is only the reference implementation for the Portlet API defined in the JSR 168 This is comparable with the tomcat being the servlet container and implementing the servlet API. Pluto itself is only a infrastructure component. All