Robert Simmons wrote:
Welcome to real life business. In the real world, not everything goes your
way. You get to choose between a mass of "political bullshit" and having no
choice at all.
you have a choice: open source software. And it's a good choice for real
life business, too.
cheers :D
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Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a
certain logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and
future jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit,
commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We are currently choosing a logging api and implementat
> [..] to choose between log4j, LogKit,
> commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
There is also logging delivered by Avalon-Framework.
My personal view is that the makers of reusable components should not log at all and
the the
logging choice (log4J directly or one of the abstractions here) is
Dani Estermann wrote:
Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a
certain logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and
future jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit,
commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We are currently choosing a lo
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything."
--Josef Stalin
Robert Simmons wrote:
JCP is the Java community process. A federation of hundreds of companies that
produces standards (such as EJB) for the Java community. Anyone can be a
member and your vote
Real life business shouldn't be bullshit. I'm not going to buy into that. It
is people like you who opt into the flawed choices instead of speaking up
that allow the flawed choices to continue on longer than they should.
-jon
+1 Well said Jon.
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, [iso-8859-1] Paul Hammant wrote:
> > [..] to choose between log4j, LogKit,
> > commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging?
>
> There is also logging delivered by Avalon-Framework.
I thought that was LogKit Paul?
>
> My personal view is that the makers of reusable components sh
It's only by understanding the JCP and infiltrating it that we have much
chance to try and change it though. The whole thing is just one opaque
block from here.
Hen
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
> > Real life business shouldn't be bullshit. I'm not going to buy into that. It
>
For frameworks, you can't tell how the end-user will be configured. That's
why we switched Tapestry over to commons-logging, so that the end-user can
get the benefits of logging, regardless of whether they are using Log4J,
javax.logging or something else. We also ship Log4J, since we try to
maint
At 11:21 29.01.2003 +0100, Dani Estermann wrote:
Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a certain
logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and future
jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit, commons-logging
or even JDK1.4-Logging?
We ar
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 08:32 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
It's only by understanding the JCP and infiltrating it that we have
much
chance to try and change it though. The whole thing is just one opaque
block from here.
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
e
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
> executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have many
> members (and non-members) participating in various JSRs.
Yeah I know. Thus my questions as to whether Apac
>
> Tell that to the Ruby developer working on the next big thing.
Hey, I resemble that remark! :-)
Tom
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Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything."
--Josef Stalin
Actually, the latest update to this is, "The court that decides whether
to recount the votes... decides everything."
--
Serge Knystautas
President
Lokitech >> software
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have
many
members (and non-members) participating in
> The only problem is that Tapestry originally had a special, built-in web
> page for creating Log4J loggers (nee categories), and changing Log4J
> levels
> (nee priorities). This used addtiional methods in Log4J Logger for
> setting
> the level, and elsewhere for creating new loggers. The common
I'll probably get this functionality by operating directly on the Log4J API,
but enabling the page only if Log4J is on the classpath.
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From: "Costin Manolache" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Logging st
--- Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 11:21 29.01.2003 +0100, Dani Estermann wrote:
> >Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation
> that recommends a certain
> >logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are
> existing and future
> >jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j
I think the next improvement on who decides should mention guns, anthrax, etc.?
At 10:08 AM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything."
--Josef Stalin
Actually, the latest update to this is, "The cour
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/godwin_s_law.html
Tom
> -Original Message-
> From: Micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:20 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: nice
>
>
> I think the next improvement on who decides should mention
> gu
on 2003/1/29 5:56 AM, "Ceki Gülcü" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe log4j is here to stay. Its user base is large and
> growing. As time passes, more people will gravitate to it as it keeps
> improving. We have enough cool features in pipe to keep us busy for
> the foreseeable future. Simile
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> on 2003/1/29 5:56 AM, "Ceki Gülcü" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I believe log4j is here to stay. Its user base is large and
> > growing. As time passes, more people will gravitate to it as it keeps
> > improving. We have enough cool features in
on 2003/1/29 7:16 AM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The ASF is a member. Any ASF member is covered by that agreement, and
> can thus, if they choose, represent the ASF on the EG if the EG
> accepts. IIRC, non-members can also represent the ASF on an expert
> group, but it doe
So the solution for committers who would like to be involved in the JCP is
to hand around their announce list and website, when a particular new JSR
is announced they can go volunteer. If successful, then they would do the
agreement thing and be an ASF representative?
Hen
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Jo
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
(...)
Real life business shouldn't be bullshit. I'm not going to buy into that. It
is people like you who opt into the flawed choices instead of speaking up
that allow the flawed choices to continue on longer than they should.
IMO, the closeness of the JCP process bring
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
(...)
What else would you like to know? What are your specific problems? is
there a specific technology/spec that you are interested in
participating in? have you ever interacted with the expert group of a
JSR via their interest list or during a public, community re
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Love to see a gui framework / tools thingy on apache..
Working on that stuff a lot lately (of course has a Apache Style
License)
Jesktop (http://jesktop.sourceforge.net/) is written by Apache
commiters, Avalon based and could be a good foundation for a GUI project ;-
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is one of my least favourite features of this forrest skin.
Look at this version, which is a modified forrest skin, if it's better:
http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/
I took all the suggestions from users like this one and made that s
on 2003/1/29 10:26 AM, "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So the solution for committers who would like to be involved in the JCP is
> to hand around their announce list and website, when a particular new JSR
> is announced they can go volunteer. If successful, then they would do the
> a
Santiago Gala wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is one of my least favourite features of this forrest skin.
Look at this version, which is a modified forrest skin, if it's better:
http://www.krysalis.org/centipede/
I took all the suggestions from users like thi
Yeah, for instance, I was once interviewed for a contract to hire gig at
Microsoft. (This was circa '97 prior to my involvment in Java). Had I sold
my soul, would I still be able to be a member of Apache?
While I do not subscribe to the jcp ot apache det org mailing list due to
the NDA contractu
And they would not be able to collaborate with their fellow members who are
not in the expert group due to NDAs.
-Andy
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From: "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: nice
> There is a JCP mail list, but because of various non-disclosure
> agreements made by the ASF, it's limited to ASF members, who are bound
> by the same agreements. If there is sufficient interest in an open JCP
> discussion list, I'm sure we can set that up.
>
+1 - especially if a goal of it is
On 27/1/03 23:21 "Paul Hammant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is plenty of it here at Apache, but what is the official status of
> LGPL. I am well aware that GPL linkage is verbotten and for good
> reason. However GPL is a very different beast.
>
> Given that the FSF has plenty to say abou
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> As always, choose the right tool for the job.
>
> If you need to be able to switch logging implementations, use Commons
> Logging.
>
> If you need more power, use log4j.
>
> If you are 100% sure that you will use 1.4+ Java, and have people
> accustomed to that logging,
Hi all!
I saw the "Tapestry" discussion, and this remindet me, that I wanted to
"carry" FakeForrest to Jakarta!
So what is it? Simple: It's a set of 2 Velocity/Anakia template-files and
some images. The Velocity templates are build upon the Jakarta-ones and
follow the Jakarta-Anakia-DTD!
What do
http://www.freeroller.net/page/ara_e/20021214
I think we are going to see more and more of this over the coming year as
the economy gets worse and worse and people are expected to produce real
working applications. People are going to start to clue in to the fact that
EJB sucks. JSP sucks. JCP suc
Pier,
The end of the thread on cocoon-dev...
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
g&msgId=625635
We came to the conclusion (I believe) that we don't _want_ it.
Agree. Much better truly open linkables.
Roughly the whole thread:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/Sear
JXPath 1.1 Beta 1 has been released.
We released JXPath 1.0 in July 2002. Since then we have added some new
features, fixed a significant number or problems, refactored and beefed up
the JUnit test system. The package has been very stable for quite some
time. Please see draft release notes at
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