Remy wrote:
I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a
while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
- Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from
people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the
accuracy of what anyone is saying? I would also wager that
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from
people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the
accuracy of what anyone is saying? I
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote:
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from
people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the
Jim Jagielski wrote:
That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :)
But I would agree that other companies have occasionally
crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both
companies associated with ASF projects and external
companies that have no ties or links at all. In those
cases
Remy,
+1 to more code, less politics :) No one is gonna kick you out. All
of us are in this mess together :) :)
-- dims
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:24:34 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :)
But I would agree
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :)
But I would agree that other companies have occasionally
crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both
companies associated with ASF projects and external
companies
At this point, how about simply kicking me out and ending the problems
faster ? Just one quick vote on board@ and any future issues disappear
magically.
Oh grow up.
No one has criticised you, no one has complained that you are paid by
JBOSS,
no one has criticised your contributions, no one
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote:
Great, so you manage to sneak by an assertion that a line have been
crossed here. Cool debate ;)
My intent was not to make an accusation but rather a simple statement
that any issue we are talking about is not unique or
Danny Angus wrote:
... the issue is *only* that
The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss
implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor.
Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company
that have committers working full
Costin Manolache wrote:
Danny Angus wrote:
... the issue is *only* that
The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss
implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor.
Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company
Costin Manolache wrote:
I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for
every use of Tomcat and if we are going to send an email every time a
company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an
apache project. And I would feel much better if such
Serge Knystautas wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions.
Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be
in
conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the
case
where
Remy Maucherat wrote:
What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other
company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ?
Can you prove me wrong ?
Multiple companies have, in fact, been contacted and dealt with over what
was perceived to be misleading PR and
Remy Maucherat wrote:
I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
individual at the moment
If you look at the CLA, you'll see that all contributions are made by
individuals, irrespective of motivation or
I think continuing with the current attitude would only lead my company
to reevaluate its involvement in ASF projects, and I could not really
blame them if they did. Of course, this may be what some people here
seek (hopefully, it is not and it's just my paranoia at work).
I am sure the
On the -1's (or at least the negative opinions to this), we
have Tim who thinks that it's a waste to talk to SD and we
should focus on making sure the branding message is clearer.
Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all)
Jakarta. :-)
I just wanted to voice
--Foreword
Hi all, I never wrote to this list before today - though I've been
lurking it since some time ago.
I'm not a committer/contributor of any of ASF projects. My interest in
this list is because I'm working (privately) on something I paln to
donate when it will be a bit finished (if it
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Tim O'Brien wrote:
On the -1's (or at least the negative opinions to this), we
have Tim who thinks that it's a waste to talk to SD and we
should focus on making sure the branding message is clearer.
Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all)
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Rémy,
You will probably need to resend the CCLA...i can't find in the
regular location where ccla's are recorded.
- Can u please explain what you mean by current attitude?
It's already 'explained' in various mailing list archives, including
this thread :-)
- Are u saying
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions.
Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be in
conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the case
where the existing IP is owned by the
I think one of the great things about the ASF is that it does allow
commercial involvement in their projects. I'd love us to figure out how
we ARE comfortable thanking JBoss, IBM, etc.. rather than only reacting
when we feel a line is crossed.
Amen!
(said as a commiter involved in a commercial
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to
discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism.
There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation
could point out that Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David
Tim O'Brien wrote:
Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all)
Jakarta. :-)=20
Of course, that's just as wrong as the concept of Leading Contributor
or Main Developer :)
--
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Jim
Remy Maucherat wrote:
I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a
while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Tim O'Brien wrote:
Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all)
Jakarta. :-)=20
Of course, that's just as wrong as the concept of Leading Contributor
or Main Developer :)
To give Tim context, it's a joke referring to a private
- Original Message -
From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to
discuss something
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bill Barker wrote:
- Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor is, while
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been
from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
Obvious quandry for me, we don't really have any concept of subcommunity,
apart from the individual dev lists, it's supposed to be the Jakarta
community at large
, or the reality.
Costin
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bill Barker wrote:
- Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Costin Manolache wrote:
It's never bad to clarify things.
Really? My wife tells me I do it all the time and need to learn to shut up
:)
For example ( honestly ! ) it's the first time I hear that the name of the
project is Apache Tomcat. Someone should send a mail to
: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to
discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism.
There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation
could point
+1
On Mar 19, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
Due to the timeliness of this, I plan to send it Sunday night. Given
that we're on a weekend, I doubt it will be read until Monday.
Any opinions?
-
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT
Sounds good +1
cheers
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Good note.
It surprises me you don't want to mention the branding issue (Apache
Tomcat vs Tomcat). I'd think that'd be a point that a publication and
commercial enterprise like SD Magazine would understand well and be
completely sympathetic to.
It's entirely possible the SD magazine intended
I did consider it, but thought that a request for:
Apache Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)
would be overkill. In much the same way that they have:
Flash Lite 1.1 (Macromedia)
and yet it's correctly referred to as Macromedia Flash.
I can happily add it if there's a few +1s for doing so.
, March 19, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
I did consider it, but thought that a request for:
Apache Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)
would be overkill. In much the same way that they have:
Flash Lite 1.1 (Macromedia)
and yet it's correctly referred
I think the Jolt awards knew better and were trying to send a message
similar to the '94 nobel peace prize for Arafat, Peres, and Rabin (which
incidentally didn't work very well). (Or, the '98 award for Hume and
Trimble for that matter.) Instead of firing off an email to SD, why not
stop,
This was brought up separately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] too. I'll take that as a
second +1 and go ahead and change it to Apache Tomcat 5.0.
There was also a need to change 'whether the company be Sun' to 'whether
their company be Sun'. Grammar screw-up on my part.
Hen
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Henri
Added carbon copy to PRC. Left original message more or less intact so
they can follow. ;-)
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Due to the timeliness of this, I plan to send it Sunday night. Given that
we're on a weekend, I doubt it will be read until Monday.
Still, I'd send earlier if
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Tim O'Brien wrote:
I think the Jolt awards knew better and were trying to send a message
similar to the '94 nobel peace prize for Arafat, Peres, and Rabin (which
incidentally didn't work very well). (Or, the '98 award for Hume and
You really think so?
My assumption is that
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
Added carbon copy to PRC. Left original message more or less intact so
they can follow. ;-)
Thanks Daniel, all good stuff. I'll incorporate it and send a new version
to all three lists sometime tonight.
Hen
Henri Yandell wrote:
Due to the timeliness of this, I plan to send it Sunday night. Given
that we're on a weekend, I doubt it will be read until Monday.
Any opinions?
I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as
Henri Yandell wrote:
snip/
You've pointed out that JBoss are the contributor in your commits,
rather than yourself as an individual. I assume other JBoss employees
are in the same situation. How does that change the email? Do I need
to drop the paragraph about JBoss not being a contributor
I
Rémy,
You will probably need to resend the CCLA...i can't find in the
regular location where ccla's are recorded.
- Can u please explain what you mean by current attitude?
- Are u saying that Tomcat is *NOT* really Apache Tomcat?
- Are you saying that we need to formalize a mechanism to figure
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