I have to ask, please refrain from adding packages to the tree and assigning
them to a herd that you have no part in. The folks that watch those herds
would appreciate it. It'd also be nice if you did this if you at least got
all of the deps correct.
Please refrain from arbitrarily bumping
As a Gentoo user, one thing that I'd very much like to see is improved
communication between the dev teams and the users. At the moment it
feels pretty much like I am in the dark as regarding to how we are
progressing on certain things. Let me pick some examples:
. A few days ago someone posted
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0100 Christopher O'Neill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Ideally, what I'd like is for the various dev teams to compile a
| weekly status report, which could then be compiled into the weekly
| newsletter (which currently seems to be lacking much useful
| information). It
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:30:10 +0100 Christel Dahlskjaer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| What do you believe could make Gentoo more attractive
| to new users and to current users?
Something that's often missed in these discussions... The only serious
interaction between Gentoo and nearly all of our end
On 07-04-2006 11:07:28 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
I mean, as a purely hypothetical example... Could you imagine just how
many dumb feature requests, questions and requests for code from the
unwashed masses someone would get if they admitted to having an early
alpha of an alternative to
Christopher O'Neill wrote:
. I notice certain other popular distros are now running GCC4 (and
have been for some time), yet we are still running 3.4.6 (on ~x86). I
know it's a lot of work ensuring that all packages compile properly
with GCC4 and that there are no introduced bugs, but I have no
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:33:12 +0200 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On 07-04-2006 11:07:28 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| I mean, as a purely hypothetical example... Could you imagine just
| how many dumb feature requests, questions and requests for code
| from the unwashed masses someone
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Christopher O'Neill wrote:
. I notice certain other popular distros are now running GCC4 (and
have been for some time), yet we are still running 3.4.6 (on ~x86). I
know it's a lot of work ensuring that all packages compile properly
with GCC4 and that there are no
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:33:07 -0700
Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The general case of the above is that if you want information, you
need to find the right spot for it. That's generally either a specific
relevant list or Bugzilla. The information doesn't come looking for
you.
Perhaps we should have a page explaining all of the ways someone can
help / contribute to Gentoo. There is no central place (that I know of)
for finding out what you can do as a user to make your favorite
distribution become even better. The Free Software Foundation has a nice
page here:
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:33 +0200, Grobian wrote:
Maybe user-rel should, together with GWN bridge this problem by keeping
the source of news anonymous? Just to use it as teasers of what kind of
things are being done in Gentoo's kitchen?
Of course this only holds for new projects like in your
On Friday 07 April 2006 04:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes
IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding
along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it.
There's a thread in gentoo-core from 2004 with
Heya Chris,
Thank you for responding!
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 09:51 +0100, Christopher O'Neill wrote:
As a Gentoo user, one thing that I'd very much like to see is improved
communication between the dev teams and the users. At the moment it
feels pretty much like I am in the dark as regarding
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 10:07 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0100 Christopher O'Neill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Ideally, what I'd like is for the various dev teams to compile a
| weekly status report, which could then be compiled into the weekly
| newsletter (which
Christopher O'Neill wrote: [Fri Apr 07 2006, 03:51:58AM CDT]
As a Gentoo user, one thing that I'd very much like to see is improved
communication between the dev teams and the users. At the moment it
feels pretty much like I am in the dark as regarding to how we are
progressing on certain
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:33 +0200, Grobian wrote:
On 07-04-2006 11:07:28 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
[let's pretend I snipped a bit here, oh wait, I did!]
Maybe user-rel should, together with GWN bridge this problem by keeping
the source of news anonymous? Just to use it as teasers of what
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 13:32 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:33 +0200, Grobian wrote:
Maybe user-rel should, together with GWN bridge this problem by keeping
the source of news anonymous? Just to use it as teasers of what kind of
things are being done in Gentoo's
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 02:33 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
[snip]
The general case of the above is that if you want information, you need
to find the right spot for it. That's generally either a specific
relevant list or Bugzilla. The information doesn't come looking for you.
That may have
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:37 +0100, Jonathan Coome wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:33:07 -0700
Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The general case of the above is that if you want information, you
need to find the right spot for it. That's generally either a specific
relevant list or
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 04:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes
IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding
along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it.
There's a thread in
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 10:07 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
So, from a developer pov Ciaran; if we could come up with some way of
keeping up to date with what you guys do (without eating up any of your
time or getting in your way) and then keep the masses informed, would
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 10:21 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:30:10 +0100 Christel Dahlskjaer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| What do you believe could make Gentoo more attractive
| to new users and to current users?
Something that's often missed in these discussions... The
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 07:32 -0400, Thomas Cort wrote:
Perhaps we should have a page explaining all of the ways someone can
help / contribute to Gentoo. There is no central place (that I know of)
for finding out what you can do as a user to make your favorite
distribution become even better.
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:19:35 +0100 Christel Dahlskjaer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| So, from a developer pov Ciaran; if we could come up with some way of
| keeping up to date with what you guys do (without eating up any of
| your time or getting in your way) and then keep the masses informed,
|
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 15:35 +0200, Martin Ehmsen wrote:
[snip]
How about a website/blog hosted on www.gentoo.org pr. project and a
little tool for posting on such a website (ala echangelog). I don't have
the time to set something like that up on my own, but I would use it if
it was given
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 08:20 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
[snip]
On the other hand, this problem does have a solution--another level of
indirection. Anybody who wishes, dev or user, could spend time
tracking Gentoo development (through bugs and the mailing lists) and
submit status reports to
Christopher O'Neill posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0100:
some examples:
. A few days ago someone posted on the dev list asking about KDE3.5.x and
it's current masked status. As a KDE user myself I was also interested in
the answer to his question,
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 14:43 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:19:35 +0100 Christel Dahlskjaer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| So, from a developer pov Ciaran; if we could come up with some way of
| keeping up to date with what you guys do (without eating up any of
| your time or
Simon Stelling posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:28:46 +0200:
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 04:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes
IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly
On Friday 07 April 2006 15:28, Simon Stelling wrote:
He said he wanted to make it easy, not forcing it. Or am I mistaken?
How do you want not to enforce it? The last time¹ someone came up with
a branding use flag, some were in favor of, some against it.
Still, the basic question is: Why!?
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100,
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* If we're looking to increase the flow of end users - super users -
developers, perhaps we should focus more upon improving development
tools or development documentation.
I would also suggest creation of a
Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100,
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* If we're looking to increase the flow of end users - super users -
developers, perhaps we should focus more upon improving development
tools or development documentation.
I
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:42 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100,
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* If we're looking to increase the flow of end users - super users -
developers, perhaps we should focus more upon
On Friday 07 April 2006 11:15, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100,
I would also suggest creation of a gentoo-dev-help@ mailing-list.
Not to be a wet blanket (I'm all for making current users happier and
encouraging new folks to take the bold step) but isn't
On Fri, Apr 7, 2006 at 18:07:14 +0200, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
What Alec said, however, this would require that we have interested
developers who would subscribe and be active when they can, to avoid it
becoming another -user.
Well, even if it's a small percentage of the devs,
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:48:12 -0400,
Michael Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 11:15, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0100,
I would also suggest creation of a gentoo-dev-help@ mailing-list.
isn't that what the gentoo mailing list is
On Thursday 06 April 2006 22:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I've got some back-burner work on unified Gentoo theming for grub,
bootsplash, gdm/kdm [1]. (IOW, I spent a day doing research 2 months ago
and forgot about it until yesterday.) It's currently possible to have a
really awesome bootup, but
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 22:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I've got some back-burner work on unified Gentoo theming for grub,
bootsplash, gdm/kdm [1]. (IOW, I spent a day doing research 2 months ago
and forgot about it until yesterday.) It's currently possible to have a
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
can you post the .xpm for use with grub-0.xx for me to check out ?
Don't have one designed yet, this is all still in the planning stages.
There's one available at http://www.schultz-net.dk/grub.html (scroll
down pass the Debian/Slackware ;) ).
--
Krzysiek Pawlik
On Friday 07 April 2006 10:31, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
Still, the basic question is: Why!? There's no benefit for the user, who
will choose whatever theming he wants anyways. Imho it's superfluous and
therefore wasted time.
highly suspect statements
these states are all quite common ... trying
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 15:34, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:52, Mike Frysinger wrote:
sorry, those last two paragraphs are covered elsewhere between infra and
evrel ... so the document should be considered without those last two
paragraphs
This is what I'd like to
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:54, Aron Griffis wrote:
Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 01:12:28AM EDT]
the idea is that it's common sense and to need to vote on something
like this seems asinine
It might seem that way, but something that is voted on and accepted
has credibility. Something
here's a big old brain dump of all the fun stuff that went down this year
- the dual core amd64 demo machine was running XGL and some movies like FF7
Advent Children (due later this month in the US btw!) ... this was such a
pimp demo, it caught everyone's attention ... and the best part was,
On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:07, Mike Frysinger wrote:
- devs need to make personal Gentoo business cards cause when people ask
for *your* card, you look retarded when you say you have none (i know i
felt retarded ;x)
Meh, you just look retarded :P
... some just want a generic Gentoo
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
- the dual core amd64 demo machine was running XGL and some movies like FF7
Advent Children (due later this month in the US btw!) ... this was such a
pimp demo, it caught everyone's attention ... and the best part was, opensuse
was across from us with
On Friday 07 April 2006 19:38, Mark Loeser wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
- quad g5 ppc64 running e17 and burning livecds for people on the fly (by
far the i686/installer was the most popular but amd64 was pretty strong
too ... we gave away prob like 8 ppc and 4 ppc64 cds)
On Friday 07 April 2006 19:39, Roy Marples wrote:
... some just want a generic Gentoo business card and the
ones we had were great, but when you get into real conversations, the guy
wants to follow up later with *you*
Quite an important point, but to have that fuzzy corporate feel then the
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 07:07:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
- lots of interest in kickstart-like features in our installer ... people
want
to throw install media into a fresh box, boot it, and come back later and
have it be done/usuable
The 'CLI' frontend I wrote ~9 months ago worked
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 19:39, Roy Marples wrote:
... some just want a generic Gentoo business card and the
ones we had were great, but when you get into real conversations, the guy
wants to follow up later with *you*
Quite an important point, but to have that fuzzy
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:52:38PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 19:39, Roy Marples wrote:
... some just want a generic Gentoo business card and the
ones we had were great, but when you get into real conversations, the guy
wants to follow up
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:42, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Of course, the pretty thorough hashing that this current proposal is
getting pretty much means that this time is much different than the
last, and that I should probably just shut up now.
dont worry, i'm pretty sure just about everyone
Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:52:38PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 19:39, Roy Marples wrote:
... some just want a generic Gentoo business card and the
ones we had were great, but when you get into real conversations, the guy
wants to
On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:36, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:52:38PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
I used this [1] for the last LWE I went to. Its an OO2 drawing file.
Edit to your liking (I took out my real numbers).
[1]
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 13:13 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
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Hi everyone,
I think the current quality level of the 2.1 branch is good enough to make it
a release candidate. From my perspective, it seems like a waste of
everyone's time to roll a
Zac Medico wrote:
This kind of thing will be less of a problem if we shorten the period of the
release cycle. If we shorted it to 2 months or so, then it won't matter much
when something gets bumped to the next cycle.
Also this isn't exactly news to you all as I sent my intentions
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 21:06 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 20:54, Ned Ludd wrote:
Handling of the || () in ROOT!=/ via the -K option is not in that
good of shape in 2.1_NXX and can't really be used. Till that's
addressed 2.1(re-ping jason) in my eyes absolutely should
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Alec Warner wrote:
See my problem is that some of the features proposed aren't two month
testing features. Particularly when you rewrite decent portions of the
application you need longer than two months to get decent testing
coverage. Sure Unit
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 14:19 -0400, solar wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 21:06 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 20:54, Ned Ludd wrote:
Handling of the || () in ROOT!=/ via the -K option is not in that
good of shape in 2.1_NXX and can't really be used. Till that's
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