Hi!
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006, Georgi Georgiev wrote:
Quoting Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Personally, after skimming through this thread, I'd say leave it as is
and stick with Kurt's decision. Our developers clearly have nothing
better to do than rant on about something as trivial as this.
On Monday 06 November 2006 20:03, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
Hi all.
This announcement is slightly late but Alex never the less deserves a
warm welcome for all the good work I'm sure he'll be doing in the
future.
Alex have a mysterious norwegian background but lives in Denmark (some
people
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 07 Nov
2006 07:13:53 +:
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 03:23, Sven Köhler wrote:
After reading all the concerns and doubt and things, i ask myself:
why not keep in a tmpfs?
Well, it can be swapped out too,
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 09:49, Duncan wrote:
Getting a bit worried by comments so far. You ARE planning to keep the
OPTION of keeping a tmpfs (or whatever) mounted svcdir, right (an option
to keep it mounted that way after the boot level, is how I guess it'd
work)?
Actually we mount it
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
From all of the large Gentoo deployments I've done (one of which
exceeded 200 machines), you're approaching this the wrong way.
...
Thanks for the concise and clear explanation. It's the first time I've read
a description of how Gentoo might be used on an entreprise
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 03 November 2006 03:47, Steve Long wrote:
If gentoo is still serious about enterprise adoption
Gentoo as an entire whole is not really serious about anything
I thought you were serious about being a great project.
last i checked, it was the server project
OK, so some people have raised concerns about writing in /lib is ugly and
against LFS. Others have raised concerns about loosing their ramdisk support.
So - how do people feel about always keeping it mounted as a ramdisk (default
tmpfs, then ramfs then ramdisk) in /lib/rcscripts/init.d? That
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 17:48 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
- make sending gentoo.org mail via gentoo.org mail server
friendly/recommended
-mike
Not an option for everyone without a lot of needless hoop jumping, like
ssh port forwarding. Cox (rhyme it as you will), my cable provider,
doesn't
Roy Marples wrote:
Actually, before I do that, let me attack this from another angle.
What do you gain from keeping it mounted as a ramdisk?
If the answer is performance, well you loose performance at start time as
you've lost the deptree.
So why would you want to keep it?
read-only nfsroot
On 11/7/06, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I accept that has been the position. As for devs not wanting to do it, I'm
thinking it would be part of the standard emerge process (ie binhost/PKGDIR
and -b) but you would need to add tagging of USE flags if the binary format
ATM does not include
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 13:24, Michael Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 17:48 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
- make sending gentoo.org mail via gentoo.org mail server
friendly/recommended
-mike
Not an option for everyone without a lot of needless hoop jumping, like
ssh port
HiI'd like to ask how many Gentoo devs get paid for contributions to Gentoo? How many of you (paid or non-paid) think MS's threat to sue over patents is a real danger?Thanks in advanceJeff
Michael Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 17:48 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
- make sending gentoo.org mail via gentoo.org mail server
friendly/recommended
-mike
Not an option for everyone without a lot of needless hoop jumping, like
ssh port forwarding. Cox (rhyme it as you will),
On 11/7/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to ask how many Gentoo devs get paid for contributions to Gentoo?
How many of you (paid or non-paid) think MS's threat to sue over patents is
a real danger?
I think this is a non-issue until Microsoft issues a direct threat (or
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 07 Nov
2006 10:50:21 +:
I'm using that now and hope to keep it. I went with the suggested
size=2m (tmpfs). df says 184KB used, so that's quite big enough and then
some, but on Linux the free space isn't
# Steve Dibb [EMAIL PROTECTED] (4 Oct 2006)
# masking media-video/jahshaka for treecleaners, bug(s) 150116
# Pending removal Nov 4th
media-video/jahshaka
Gone from the tree.
Steve
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On Monday 06 November 2006 17:55, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 02:18:41 + Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Yes, I'm also sick of this negative level of civility. If I don't
| preempt it now, I'll likely be told that I'm taking the above two
| quotes out of context
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 07 Nov
2006 10:58:53 +:
Actually, before I do that, let me attack this from another angle.
What do you gain from keeping it mounted as a ramdisk?
If the answer is performance, well you loose performance at
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 08:06 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Michael Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 17:48 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
- make sending gentoo.org mail via gentoo.org mail server
friendly/recommended
-mike
Not an option for everyone without a lot of needless hoop
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 07 Nov
2006 11:56:27 +:
So - how do people feel about always keeping [svcdir] mounted as a
ramdisk (default tmpfs, then ramfs then ramdisk) in
/lib/rcscripts/init.d? [W]e would could remove around 60 lines
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:12 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
On 11/7/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to ask how many Gentoo devs get paid for contributions to Gentoo?
How many of you (paid or non-paid) think MS's threat to sue over patents is
a real danger?
I think this is
Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:57:12 +:
I'd like to ask how many Gentoo devs get paid for contributions to Gentoo?
How many of you (paid or non-paid) think MS's threat to sue over patents is
a real danger?
No devs get paid
Lance Albertson wrote: [Tue Nov 07 2006, 01:55:39AM EST]
Personally, after skimming through this thread, I'd say leave it as is
and stick with Kurt's decision. Our developers clearly have nothing
better to do than rant on about something as trivial as this. I
especially didn't like the lets
Lance Albertson wrote: [Tue Nov 07 2006, 12:55:39AM CST]
Personally, after skimming through this thread, I'd say leave it as is
and stick with Kurt's decision. Our developers clearly have nothing
better to do than rant on about something as trivial as this. I
especially didn't like the lets
Duncan wrote:
If MS
pushes the button, they'll push the button. There's little you or I or
most FLOSS community devs can do about it, so it's really not worth
worrying about unless or until it happens. Keep a watchful eye and stay
informed, sure, but not much else.
Yawn, if they claim
On 11/7/06, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No devs get paid directly for working on Gentoo -- they are all
volunteers.
That statement may or may not be true. We don't require Gentoo
developers to disclose this information, so it's always possible that
some Gentoo developers are paid to work
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:00:49 -0600 Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| With all due respect, I disagree. My recollection was that the SPF
| discussion was held well over a year ago, on a list that isn't
| archived, so the rationale for using SPF isn't available for many of
| the devs who
Luca Barbato wrote:
Duncan wrote:
If MS
pushes the button, they'll push the button. There's little you or I or
most FLOSS community devs can do about it, so it's really not worth
worrying about unless or until it happens. Keep a watchful eye and stay
informed, sure, but not much else.
Meh,
Roy Marples wrote: [Mon Nov 06 2006, 12:44:42PM EST]
+if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) =~ $'\n'${svcdir}\ -w ${svclib} ]] ; then
Shouldn't this be:
if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) == $'\n'${svcdir} ...
because I don't think you want to treat the RHS as either a regex (=~)
or a glob (unquoted).
Aron
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:59, Aron Griffis wrote:
+if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) =~ $'\n'${svcdir}\ -w ${svclib} ]] ; then
Shouldn't this be:
if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) == $'\n'${svcdir} ...
because I don't think you want to treat the RHS as either a regex (=~)
or a glob (unquoted).
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Kurt didn't back up his views back then. Rather typically, he just told
Method that he disagreed and that he wasn't going to budge no matter
what anyone said...
In the year 2005, the only gentoo-core discussion related to SPF was
between me and lcars.
Probably you are
On 07 Nov 2006 12:30 PM or thereabouts, Roy Marples wrote:
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 11:56, Roy Marples wrote:
A net benefit of this is that we would could remove around 60 lines of code
which handle the moving of $svcdir to disk whilst the system is active
(handles locking, timeouts,
Andrea has worked pretty hard on this. He's made some changes that he
thinks has solved the problem. If anyone is having issues currently
with emails being dropped to the mailing lists, could they please post
on bug #141904 so Andrea can look at them? You'll definitely want the
msgid of the
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Andrea has worked pretty hard on this. He's made some changes that he
thinks has solved the problem. If anyone is having issues currently
with emails being dropped to the mailing lists, could they please post
on bug #141904 so Andrea can look at them? You'll definitely
Michael Cummings wrote:
Knowing about port 587 is half the battle (yeah, read the docs mike:).
Getting it to work from the office with even more restrictive firewalls
is another thing - but are we actually going to stop devs from being
able to send mail without going through the gentoo
Grant Goodyear wrote:
With all due respect, I disagree. My recollection was that the SPF
discussion was held well over a year ago, on a list that isn't archived,
so the rationale for using SPF isn't available for many of the devs who
have started raising questions about it. Kurt's reply to
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:34:51AM -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Andrea has worked pretty hard on this. He's made some changes that he
thinks has solved the problem. If anyone is having issues currently
with emails being dropped to the mailing lists, could they please
Lance Albertson wrote:
I'm sorry, but when people automatically want to go to the council first
and ask questions later I have a hard time wanting to help them. I can't
control what Kurt does/says so that's out of my control.
For the record, I've asked the council first because I thought it
Great, this has been a bit annoying recently, hope it works now.
Thanks Andrea!
cheers,
Wernfried
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:52:04 +0200 Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Kurt didn't back up his views back then. Rather typically, he just
| told Method that he disagreed and that he wasn't going to budge no
| matter what anyone said...
|
| In the year 2005, the
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 04:49, Duncan wrote:
Getting a bit worried by comments so far.
sorry, but this just stinks of lame
-mike
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Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:59, Aron Griffis wrote:
+if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) =~ $'\n'${svcdir}\ -w ${svclib} ]] ; then
Shouldn't this be:
if [[ $'\n'$(get_mounts) == $'\n'${svcdir} ...
because I don't think you want to treat the RHS
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 20:32, Drake Wyrm wrote:
I could be missing something, but:
[[ $'\nwombat' =~ $'wombat' ]] \
echo These compare as equal, with or without the leading \n
A working example in bash-3.2 :)
[[ $(/proc/mounts) =~ $'\n'/dev/root\ ]] \
echo Yay, I matched ^/dev/root
Wernfried Haas wrote: [Tue Nov 07 2006, 02:34:46PM CST]
While we're at the whole email stuff, it seems you still sign your
emails with [EMAIL PROTECTED], which i personally find at least as
annoying as you find klie^WSPF.
Hmmm? I just took a look at all of ciaranm's e-mails to -dev since 21
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 20:32, Drake Wyrm wrote:
I could be missing something, but:
[[ $'\nwombat' =~ $'wombat' ]] \
echo These compare as equal, with or without the leading \n
They do not compare as equal with the == operator or the = operator. You
probably want the = operator,
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:34:46 +0100 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:47:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Along with the rest of the thread. Notice in particular how Joshua
| claims that Kurt has never justified using SPF, and how in replies
| he refuses to
On 07/11/06, Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wernfried Haas wrote: [Tue Nov 07 2006, 02:34:46PM CST]
While we're at the whole email stuff, it seems you still sign your
emails with [EMAIL PROTECTED], which i personally find at least as
annoying as you find klie^WSPF.
Out of date PGP
Roy Marples ha scritto:
[[ $(/proc/mounts) =~ $'\n'/dev/root\ ]] \
echo Yay, I matched ^/dev/root
I challenge you to get an exact match of /dev/root being on the first line
using the == operator and/or quoting.
Remember, /dev/root/foo and /dev/foo /dev/root must not match either.
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:04:18 + Elfyn McBratney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I guess Wernfried is referring to Ciaran PGP signing his emails with a
| key that (I guess) still has his old @g.o address as a user ID on the
| key.
Mm. As far as I can see from [1] (second key, not the ebuild signing
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 21:34 +0100, Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:47:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Along with the rest of the thread. Notice in particular how Joshua
claims that Kurt has never justified using SPF, and how in replies he
refuses to do so.
Do you
Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:09:31 +:
On 11/7/06, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No devs get paid directly for working on Gentoo -- they are all
volunteers.
That statement may or may not be true. We don't require
[I'm separating the ABI issue into the thread below from Marius Mauch]
Stuart Herbert wrote:
I'm interested in providing binary packages for updating
systems, yes - systems that are running seeds. Whether they're
provided through Gentoo or not hasn't yet been discussed at all. We
need to
Marius Mauch wrote:
Sure. Presumably you test packages with standard C-flags as users are
advised to before bug-reporting? Other than USE flags what else would
make your packages unsuitable for others? If it's only USE flags,
then at least the pkg is a start- if others want different settings
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 22:47, Steve Long wrote:
I understand the ABI changes at major compiler upgrades, especially for
C++. Is this such a problem for C?
i think you misread his e-mail
regardless, stable ABIs guarantee forward compatibility, not backwards
you're also not considering the
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 08:47:18PM +, Roy Marples wrote:
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 20:32, Drake Wyrm wrote:
I could be missing something, but:
[[ $'\nwombat' =~ $'wombat' ]] \
echo These compare as equal, with or without the leading \n
A working example in bash-3.2 :)
[[
On Wednesday 08 November 2006 06:57, Harald van Dijk wrote:
[[
$(/proc/mounts) == *
/dev/root * ]] echo Yay, I matched ^/dev/root
You can use $'\n' instead of actual newline characters, of course.
You get credit :)
I couldn't get that to work with bash-3.1 for some reason though, as I
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