On Friday 13 April 2007, Luca Barbato wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
Why?
hmm guess i should have read each item ... this is not something we want to do
and i dont recall anyone ever mentioning this change in behavior
-mike
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Very good job.
2007/4/13, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
here is a summary of this month's meeting. people seem to think that the CoC
is set in stone now when in reality it is not ... feel free to hilite
anything you feel wasnt addressed in the previous discussion or anything new
you've
beu has retired, and this is a widely used package.
If any dev is using this and want to maintain it, please feel free to
take it.
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Hi fellow devs
start-stop-daemon binary in baselayout-2 will require the use of the
--name or --pidfile argument in --start if the binary in question
changes it's process name.
This also applies to any interpreted daemon, such as ddclient or
amavisd which are perl programs. This is because
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:41:01 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:11:47 -0700
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either way, EAPI=1 *should* have a bit more then just slot deps in my
opinion; very least it needs discussion to discern what folks want.
On Friday 13 April 2007, Marius Mauch wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* src_test always called except if RESTRICT=test
I don't think this would fit into EAPI, to me it's an implementation
detail of the package manager, or why should the ebuild care about it?
hmm, i'd have to
i plan on adding old-linux to use.force in the linux-2.4 profiles and
converting the no-old-linux USE flag to that ... that way things like
module-init-tools from now on will only support linux-2.6+
any comments ?
-mike
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On Friday 13 April 2007 12:41:43 Roy Marples wrote:
If you care about such things, then you need to pester the maintainer
of said package to write an init script for it that has the following
dependency
I'll look into it, any idea when you are
On Friday 13 April 2007, Benjamin Smee (strerror) wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007 12:41:43 Roy Marples wrote:
If you care about such things, then you need to pester the maintainer
of said package to write an init script for it that has the following
dependency
I'll look into it, any idea
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
working on anymore. Before it's too late, I'd like to propose a big
reformation
A
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:16 +0200
Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:41:01 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
No
It masks all kinds of programming screwups. doblah should make a blah,
not make a blah and
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:24:25 +0100
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either way, EAPI=1 *should* have a bit more then just slot deps in
my opinion; very least it needs discussion to discern what folks
want.
Well, EAPI 1
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
No
It masks all kinds of programming screwups. doblah should make a blah,
not make a blah and possibly make a
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 19:26 +0530, Andrew Cowie wrote:
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 21:32 +0200, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
as everyone probably noticed, there is a current atmosphere of sinking ship,
with quite a lot of people leaving and many agreeing that gentoo is no fun
working on anymore.
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either way, EAPI=1 *should* have a bit more then just slot deps in
my opinion; very least it needs discussion to discern what folks
want.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:11:07 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except there are. Hence why we want EAPI 1 in the short term, not
several years from now. The stuff that will take longer can go into
a later EAPI.
this is really up to the portage team to drive
If they instead
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:38 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It masks all kinds of programming screwups. doblah should make a
blah, not make a blah and possibly make a directory.
name one
dosym's old behaviour prevented a broken Vim release (upstream screwed
up a Makefile
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:45:13 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PMS:
- should be up and running on Gentoo infra by next meeting
What is the justification for making this change? It's already
inconvenient enough having to have someone else make bugzilla changes
for me on PMS
Mike Frysinger napsal(a):
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
No
It masks all kinds of programming screwups. doblah should make a blah,
not make a blah and possibly make a directory.
name one
you're proposing we suddenly bloat all of our src_install functions for no
gain at all
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:36:33 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Frysinger napsal(a):
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
No
It masks all kinds of programming screwups. doblah should make a
blah, not make a blah and possibly make a directory.
name one
you're
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except there are. Hence why we want EAPI 1 in the short term, not
several years from now. The stuff that will take longer can go into
a later EAPI.
this is really up to the portage team to drive
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
What? No it wouldn't. It would ensure that bugs were caught during the
src_install phase rather than after a package has been installed.
What kind of bugs exactly? The ones *created* by this behavior change?
I'd rather not create such bugs for starters, because it's
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
On 4/13/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ha, it wont even be leaving package.mask soonish, so i doubt you have any
stable worries
i wonder how hard we want to ride this though ... target 2007.1 ?
It's mid-April and 2007.0 is
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:22:24 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
What? No it wouldn't. It would ensure that bugs were caught during
the src_install phase rather than after a package has been
installed.
What kind of bugs exactly? The ones *created* by this
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:52:16 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you're proposing we suddenly bloat all of our src_install
functions for no gain at all ... sounds like a no brainer to me
No, I'm proposing that functions not have strange side effects.
the behavior here is
On 4/13/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight
you're clearly not part of the release process
Can you tell us the release date then?
I didn't think so. :)
--Alex
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On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:23 -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight, so the idea that
there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
don't make baselayout-2's unmasking contingent on that.
I guess I should just delete all this 2007.0
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
On 4/13/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight
you're clearly not part of the release process
Can you tell us the release date then?
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:45:13 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PMS:
- should be up and running on Gentoo infra by next meeting
What is the justification for making this change? It's already
inconvenient enough having to have someone else
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
You're missing the point.
As of a year or so ago, dosym will succeed even if the dosym target
directory doesn't exist, and even if it means creating arbitrary
directories. Some other utilities, such as dohard for example, will
fail under otherwise identical
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:58:52 +0100
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PMS:
- should be up and running on Gentoo infra by next meeting
What is the justification for making this change? It's already
inconvenient enough
Jakub Moc kirjoitti:
Well of course it's the users who will see it, see above. It's not like
that we would have 100 volunteers around to drop everything they have in
their hands a go spend days on changing ebuilds that are not broken just
because of this idea.
We are talking about
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:06:42 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Err, your suggestion was:
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
Because I was giving a one line summary, rather than a description of
the full change. The full description has been discussed elsewhere
several times.
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
If someone can provide a good reason for changing to a system that's
more work, I'll change. If there isn't a good reason, I won't.
Maybe if you actually read the council log, you'd see the reason? yeah,
it's indeed there, believe me.
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Best regards,
Jakub Moc
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:02:00 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
These fail:
cp somefile dirdoesnotexist/
mv somefile dirdoesnotexist/
ln -s somefile dirdoesnotexist/
dohard somefile dirdoesnotexist/
mkdir
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:20:46 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
If someone can provide a good reason for changing to a system that's
more work, I'll change. If there isn't a good reason, I won't.
Maybe if you actually read the council log, you'd see the
On Friday 13 April 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:23 -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight, so the idea that
there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
don't make baselayout-2's unmasking contingent
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you're proposing we suddenly bloat all of our src_install
functions for no gain at all
How big a bloat is it? Surely it's a coupla lines in the eclasses? Cos the
behaviour is inconsistent, as Ciaran pointed out.
Well no, they
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:20:46 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
If someone can provide a good reason for changing to a system that's
more work, I'll change. If there isn't a good reason, I won't.
Maybe if you actually read the
Alex Tarkovsky kirjoitti:
So I promise to get myself a clue just as soon as you've changed your
policies to be more inclusive and less hostile towards users. Deal? :)
The thing is that your comment was probably perceived as a negative
comment about our releases being late or something like
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:20:46PM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a):
If someone can provide a good reason for changing to a system that's
more work, I'll change. If there isn't a good reason, I won't.
Maybe if you actually read the council log, you'd see the reason? yeah,
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
These fail:
cp somefile dirdoesnotexist/
mv somefile dirdoesnotexist/
ln -s somefile dirdoesnotexist/
dohard somefile dirdoesnotexist/
On Friday 13 April 2007 14:42:41 Mike Frysinger wrote:
i plan on adding old-linux to use.force in the linux-2.4 profiles and
converting the no-old-linux USE flag to that ... that way things like
module-init-tools from now on will only support linux-2.6+
any comments ?
-mike
Go ahead, I
The arch teams have been pushing for this for a long time. They're
trying to get this enforced, but are having limited success because
there's no way for FEATURES=test to become widely used that won't
lead to broken user systems. Moving src_test to be always on in
future EAPIs is
The arch teams have been pushing for this for a long time. They're
trying to get this enforced, but are having limited success because
there's no way for FEATURES=test to become widely used that won't lead
to broken user systems. Moving src_test to be always on in future EAPIs
is an easy
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:43:51 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[16:49] robbat2 infra won't give any access to non-devs that needs
SSH keys.
Isn't that hard to find I'd say?
That's not a reason for moving. That's a reason for not using infra.
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Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take
3 seconds to talk to the people in the know. If you don't know what
you're talking about, rather than open
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:16:14 -0700
Joshua Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erm, no I have not at all (speaking as a project lead for x86). Test
is not viable for a lot of reason as being on by default. One that I
can come up with off the top of my head is php. The test suite for it
makes test
Thilo Bangert wrote:
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take
3 seconds to talk to the people in the know. If you don't know what
you're talking about,
Thilo Bangert napsal(a):
this seems to come up more often than you like. is this the release
tracker bug?
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814
kind regards
Thilo
Yeah. It's restricted to developers only, though, so not much useful for
users. :)
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Best regards,
Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Why exactly does EAPI=1 need to be rushed?
Because the tree needed the functionality in question several years ago.
I thought the whole point of 0 was allowing a base, so that new stuff
could be developed while guaranteeing certain behaviour. What's the
hurry? It's
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On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:23 +0200, Thilo Bangert wrote:
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take
3 seconds to talk to the people in the know. If
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:17:32 +0100
Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except there are. Hence why we want EAPI 1 in the short term, not
several years from now. The stuff that will take longer can go into
a later EAPI.
Man here we go again: I spend a lot of time helping and being helped
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:40 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
Thilo Bangert napsal(a):
this seems to come up more often than you like. is this the release
tracker bug?
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814
kind regards
Thilo
Yeah. It's restricted to developers only, though, so
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Joshua Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erm, no I have not at all (speaking as a project lead for x86). Test
is not viable for a lot of reason as being on by default. One that I
can come up with off the top of my head is php. The test suite
Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
Can you tell us the release date then?
I didn't think so. :)
--Alex
Dickish messages like this one might possibly earn you some cold
shoulder or hostility from people who work very hard for you...
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Chris Gianelloni napsal(a):
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:40 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
Thilo Bangert napsal(a):
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814
Yeah. It's restricted to developers only, though, so not much useful for
users. :)
Yeah, I did that because we had users adding their
On 4/13/07, Jeffrey Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
Can you tell us the release date then?
I didn't think so. :)
--Alex
Dickish messages like this one might possibly earn you some cold
shoulder or hostility from people who work very hard for you...
1) It's a
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
If a test suite isn't viable, the ebuild should be RESTRICTing test
anyway.
That means ALL the media applications, almost all the toolchain
applications, most languages and a couple of other items I don't touch.
I don't think it shoud be part of the spec even if you
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:06:44 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a test suite isn't viable, the ebuild should be RESTRICTing test
anyway.
which doesnt apply here ... some packages have ridiculous awesome
coverage for their source code and take much longer to run than even
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:29:29 +0200
Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
If a test suite isn't viable, the ebuild should be RESTRICTing test
anyway.
That means ALL the media applications, almost all the toolchain
applications, most languages and a couple of other
snip
Er, no, I'm explaining why enforcing src_test for EAPI 1 will be
helpful for an awful lot of Gentoo developers.
except that you back the tree into a corner that it cannot come out of
Huh? Not at all. If a package can't use its test suite, the ebuild can
set RESTRICT=test.
snip
The *only* downside that I can see here is that by default the package
installation process gets a little longer. To get around this some
method of globally opting out of src_test should be provided to the end
user, however since it is an on by default feature someone at least has
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:40:53 +0200
Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So just get a beer and be cool, okay? It's friday, after all...
No! No beer until my work shift ends! Then I'll join you.
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On Friday 13 April 2007 21:55, Andrej Kacian wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:40:53 +0200
Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So just get a beer and be cool, okay? It's friday, after all...
No! No beer until my work shift ends! Then I'll join you.
Your work shift ending? Hah you're a dev so
dev-lang/ruby-cvs builds the latest Ruby 1.9.x version from CVS.
Except... upstream has moved to SVN, so this ebuild no longer works. It's
now masked and will be removed in 30 days.
An initial ruby-svn ebuild can be found in https://bugs.gentoo.org/
show_bug.cgi?id=173817 and will hopefully be
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 12:17 -0700, Daniel Ostrow wrote:
snip
Er, no, I'm explaining why enforcing src_test for EAPI 1 will be
helpful for an awful lot of Gentoo developers.
except that you back the tree into a corner that it cannot come out of
Huh? Not at all. If a package
Hans de Graaff wrote:
dev-lang/ruby-cvs builds the latest Ruby 1.9.x version from CVS.
Except... upstream has moved to SVN, so this ebuild no longer works. It's
now masked and will be removed in 30 days.
Not sure there's any point to waiting the usual 30 days when the ebuild
just can't
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 21:16 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
I'm not implying there's anything wrong w/ restricting the bug; just
that pointing users here to it won't get them very far. ;)
*I* didn't point anyone to that bug, as I knew it was locked and
wouldn't provide our users with much of anything
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Petteri Räty wrote:
so only three virtual ebuilds have a DEPEND
According to GLEP 37 [1], they should only define RDEPEND. The
reason that only RDEPEND is needed is that a package that has a
virtual dependency has freedom to include the virtual
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:23 -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight, so the idea that
there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
don't make
Zac Medico kirjoitti:
[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0037.html
We should link this info to the devmanual. Opened a bug about this:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174530
Regards,
Petteri
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:18:27 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:06:42 +0200
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Err, your suggestion was:
* Remove automatic directory making for do*
Because I was giving a one line summary, rather than a description of
On 4/13/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 21:16 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
I'm not implying there's anything wrong w/ restricting the bug; just
that pointing users here to it won't get them very far. ;)
*I* didn't point anyone to that bug, as I knew it was
Doug Goldstein wrote:
Hans de Graaff wrote:
dev-lang/ruby-cvs builds the latest Ruby 1.9.x version from CVS.
Except... upstream has moved to SVN, so this ebuild no longer works. It's
now masked and will be removed in 30 days.
Is there any point in waiting 30 days? Since the ebuild
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Apr 2007
20:33:09 +0100:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:06:44 -0400
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a test suite isn't viable, the ebuild should be RESTRICTing test
anyway.
which doesnt apply here
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:02:29 +0200
Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because I was giving a one line summary, rather than a description
of the full change. The full description has been discussed
elsewhere several times.
I don't
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 03:06:44PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
which doesnt apply here ... some packages have ridiculous awesome coverage
for
their source code and take much longer to run than even compile the package
Furthermore, there are packages with testcases where if you want them,
you
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