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So far we have two volunteers, kangie and andrewammerlaan. Thank you
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We need two more and an infra contact as there are a few odds and ends
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6. Update topic in -dev with the turnout, post reminders to the
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>
> welcome, apart from flames about how this is ridiculous and
> unnecessary :-).
>
> Best wishes,
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we need to have policies in place, to make sure
> shit
> doesn't flow in.
>
> Compare with the shitstorm at:
> https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358
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Michał,
An excellent piece of prose setting out the rationale.
I fully support it.
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Michał,
> However, the process is non-trivial ...
That's a down side.
What are the benefits to Gentoo?
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> If you do find a random package touching /dev I think most here would
> be pretty interested, as that seems rather bizarre.
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Team,
As a long time static /dev user the only thing I've noticed updates making
a mess of is /dev/snd. I've not traced tha
On 2022.01.05 21:10, David Seifert wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-01-05 at 21:06 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > On 2022.01.05 20:22, Sam James wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 5 Jan 2022, at 19:02, Roy Bamford
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> >
On 2022.01.05 20:22, Sam James wrote:
>
>
> > On 5 Jan 2022, at 19:02, Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > Sam,
> >
> > Do users with FEATURES=distcc still have to opt out of this
> > MAKEOPTS clamping?
> >
>
> Great point! I think we could
S_MEMORY_MANGLE_JOBS=no."
> +
> + MAKEOPTS+=" -j${new_jobs}"
> + fi
> + fi
> + else
> + _check-reqs_unsatisfied \
> +
pping it. Think non Intel/AMD memory constrained systems.
Gentoo is popular outside the desktop, so keep those users in mind too.
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t very far.
It has to come sooner or later, so if not now, then when?
Datapoint: On the forums, x86 installs are either done by mistake
or by users who know what they are doing on a 32 bit SoC,
The first set of users will be helped, the second set know what they
are doing.
In case its not clear
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Its on for stage building and off in profiles.
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around for the count and have shell access to Woodpecker you are qualified.
Candidates in the election need not apply.
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>
I'm in the "if it's not broken don't fix it" school.
The original proposal uses the word 'negligible' twi
:)
Its good that you recognise the signs of over doing it.
Have a break. Have a very long break. I'm confident that Gentoo will
be here when you decide to join in the fun again. Time permitting.
My best wishes to you and and whatever you decide to do in
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On 20/04/2021 06:31, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
Here's two I have so far
https://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/neddy/
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:24:41AM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
Here's where I reed your help. The missing distfiles are
MD5 38adc94a4953a6b29e8619c25dda4887 4.2.0-4.2.1.diff.gz 54763
MD5
On 19/04/2021 15:55, Benda Xu wrote:
Roy,
Roy Bamford writes:
Its my 18th anniversary of installing Gentoo. A number of coincidences gave
rise to
my original liveCD turning up when I was searching for bits to get an old
system to boot
just one more time to get some forgotten data off its
aaeb8f8b276a6849f7a570097d69788e glide3-headers.tar.bz2 14564
MD5 d5cc6a93c7d3ad2eb02bc637a1de9cf3 net-tools-1.60-gentoo-extra.tar.bz2 5785
If your Gentoo history goes back as far as mine and you still have those files,
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> > and none of them look to be critical, so I vote "no" on your
> proposal unless
> > there is some verifiable reason why eudev is no longer suitable to
> be the
> > default udev provider.
>
[snip]
> ...because of fear of
> what
On 2020.08.08 23:22, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:17 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> > systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> > That's the entire reason that eudev was n
making udev inseparable from
systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary.
I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road
to Gentoo being assimilated by systemd.
We had this discussion several years ago when the default
2 is not on your list.
Be first into the future by masking this stuff and
Last out of the past by leaving up to users to decide.
It could stay in the tree, masked, as long as python2.
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On 2020.06.17 10:40, David Abbott wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:08 AM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > Team,
> >
> > Its time to kick off the Trustee Election for this year.
> >
> > It will span June 21 to about August 3.
> > We need two
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On 2020.05.30 13:14, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 6:09 AM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > We sill need more volunteers.
> >
>
> Not going to be running, so I'm happy to pitch in.
>
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>
>
Rich,
Thank you.
-
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> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:03 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > Team,
> >
> > Our current council will hold their last meeting on 14-Jun-20.
> > We therefore need to elect a new council before the July meeting.
>
and again,
real life can intervene at the last moment.
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to publish advice based on beliefs or opinions, there is no
requirement for beliefs or opinions to be based on fact but we are
not discussing beliefs or opinions here.
In summary, we can't be sure of our facts. We can't be sure that
any warning complete and correct.
Gentoo must not single out an
On 2020.01.04 13:43, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> On 2020-01-04 14:08, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > emerge -1 vanilla-sources
> > eselect kernel ...
> > genkernel all
> > ...
>
> Please tell user to do
>
> genkernel --kernel-config=/proc/config.gz all
>
On 2020.01.04 12:54, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 6:42 AM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
[snip]
>
> Apparently git and tar are too complicated for Gentoo users, but
> managing symlinks, using make, managing a bootloader, dealing with the
> kernel's configuration system,
re are probably other packages that only install whatever
they fetch. Could they be dropped?
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fail there, as it does not have them
but they might work on the Pi, as it does.
Other than pointing out the problem, I don't know how to test further.
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4 multilib compat by
> now.
>
> ---
>
[snip list]
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aware of users that do.
I like to have the choice to not build documentation on low power
systems. Its a part of Gentoos flexibility that should not be removed.
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ee the wiki article
> on AMD64 multilib layouts [2].
>
> [1]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/506276
> [2]:https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:AMD64/Multilib_layout
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Team,
"These profiles switch to a more standard 'n
curity -xephyr
-xnest"
elogind is hard masked and suid is being turned off.
Its arm64, so I expect to find a few rough edges.
However, changes like this need to be coordinated across all arches.
Take a pat on the back for the elogind work and a slap on the wrist
if my arm64 systems don'
On 2018.11.30 17:06, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 21:43 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > On 2018.11.26 18:58, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Here's the newest version.
> > >
> > > Changes:
> > >
> > > - added explicit
cluded as the last of the files in the binary
package container.
[snip]
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Its a nit today but that says that any future extensions, none
yet planned, should be placed before the image archive.
The specification needs to avoid the use of re
On 2018.11.19 19:33, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 2:21 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > "The archive members support optional OpenPGP signatures.
> > The implementations must allow the user to specify whether OpenPGP
> > signatures are to be ex
ned with the same key?
That could happen if one person makes a binpackage and someone
else updates the metadata.
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Replying off list because I am not on the whitelist ...
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> On 2018.11.18 09:38, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Sun, 2
e use of any Gentoo
specific tooling.
The current tarball of tarballs proposal would satisfy that requirement.
Its unlikely that a custom binary format would. Of course, this being
Gentoo someone would write a run anywhere script that did the
unpicking, We already have deb2targz and rpm2targz. We h
single package stage3 when a user needs a get out of jail
free card.
Does this proposal allow for installing the payload without
the use of the Gentoo package manager from some random
distro being used as a rescue media?
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ndled libs?
Do you trust upstream to have that that right too?
It looks like a lot of work for what is at most, a convenience to users.
What matters most is the licensing for things we distribute as binaries.
That would make an interesting and more manageable test case.
As has already been pointed out. Fixing it is one thing, keeping it fixed
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entire Linux community, a point
already made by others.
In volunteer groups things get done by those who want to do them.
Others join later. I think the quote I'm looking for is "Build it and they
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CARDS flags according to the
> video card(s) you have.
>
> This would be along the same lines as the
> app-portage/cpuid2cpuflags pkg. Then the pkg is updated as new
> drivers
> and combinations are changed. Perhaps have it run in pkg_postisnt to
> print any irregular
the one in the tree and it gets masked too.
Its not a problem to me as I know how to manage it. Its just untidy.
With apologies to Pacho for citing his name in the worked
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that portage's current effort is to have all
> configuration files in /etc/portage or in the profile.
>
> Best,
> Michael Lienhardt
>
>
>
Michael,
'Support' can be as simple as nagging the user to move with the
times and failing.
I suspect that many older syst
kage.accept_keywords"
but thats a recent name change.
PACKAGE_KEYWORDS="/etc/portage/package.keywords"
is the old name and my older systems still use that.
You probably need to harvest both and process both as portage does.
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>
> ...and it will place the files in the right subdirectories.
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Michał,
How does this work for fetch restricted files and finding other files
no longer on the mirrors?
Its no longer a download
l address from the ML not require
that process too?
Gentoo does not have any other disiplinary process than the action by
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> (council, toolchain, perl, libreoffice, comrel)
Andreas,
Being somwhat old and cynical, I'm seeing signs of history
repeating itself.
Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, including
Council and comrel members?
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fline before pushing the binaries to production.
Then they can run whatever they want.
Every Gentoo install is different and very few possible
combinations are actually tested.
By all means lower the bar for ~arch. Say, to "builds and works for
me, needs more testing". The down side is that it will create more
bug reports and more work, so it may only exchange one problem
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ou can start with gcc-5.4 with the gcj use flag.
That will bootstrap icedtea:7
icedtea:7 will bootstrap icedtea:8
Tested on arm64.
With icedtea:7 going and gcc-5.4 not having a very long future,
building icedtea for a new arch will be painful.
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Pruning the repository at
rsync time will therefore remove the manifents and the files that they cover.
Is that understanding correct?
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> Mail: Alice Ferrazzi <ali...@gentoo.org>
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>
>
Alice,
Forking with what aim?
Keeping the existing functionality alive in line with kernel
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... and some of those lost users might have gone on to become devs.
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re is no pulse from
the Security Project?
This isn't really a Security Project issue. If its ever needed, the
Security Project isn't active. It affects other projects too, like
comrel, QA and others. Perhaps there is a common solution
to taking a proqcts pulse and reacting when there
epreciate the use of udev symlinks in fstab.
Some time later, remove udev-settle and have another news item.
By now, users will have reacted to the first news item or sympathy
can be minimal.
In the interim, nothing should break because a news item was not
read and acted on immediately.
That's the important bit ... nothing breaks on user systems.
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o remove it from the tree.
Actively building every package in the tree to discover candidates for removal
takes a lot more resources than searching bugs to identify potential candidates.
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those old
> packages around more power to them, but they definitely do not
> belong in the main tree if they are unmaintained for an extended
> period
> of time.
>
> William
>
>
There is no point in removing unmaintained but perfectly functional software
from the tree.
It
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you are not in New Mexico, or even the USA, that law may not apply to
you and that's where the minefield starts.
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to the old way.
This just represents a change of workflow with time.
The question then is do we need to formalise the changed workflow, or
can both be allowed to continue side by side?
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size (unless you really want to), choose a static limit below which
compression will not be applied.
That eliminates the discussion about small files.
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religious war with Zelots on both sides.
All an INSTALL_MASK_OVERRIDE would do is escalate the war.
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On 2013.11.22 09:38, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Roy Bamford wrote:
Indeed, that's one of the two TLPs that were suggested. The past
QA
disliked having Licenses as their subproject, though. It depends
on
how the role of QA is defined: If it is seen as primarily
... or maybe a sub committee of the Gentoo Foundation Inc?
because of the non technical and legal implications of the work.
Trustees get involved with licence corner cases anyway, so a team of
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Don't we do that ?
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The Gnome team has made their choice. I'm the light of that, users can
now make their own choices.
That's what Gentoo is about after all ... choice.
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a warning about the upcoming change so I cam manage
it for myself, if I'm feeling nervous.
Any notification of key packages changing like this is appreciated.
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On 2013.07.22 22:51, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Roy Bamford
neddyseag...@gentoo.org
[snip]
Please keep voting in public. Its good for accountability.
If not in IRC, find a way to publish who voted and now.
Council do not get a secret ballot.
Agreed. I
stupid that sounds?
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Rick,
The council should not be denied the ability to reach decisions
between meetings for the few times it will actually be needed.
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the baselayout-1 syntax in
/etc/conf.d/net and friends a while longer.
A friendly link to the update guide
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
may be in order too.
I've seen many users on baselayout-2 with baselayout-1 net files. This
news item will bypass them.
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the forums announce.
Eventually, it will be a habit.
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announce for the old bugday. That can be revived
too if you want. The old bugday ran to a calender, so the announces
went up a week beforehand.
Are you goings to stick to the first Saturday in the month ?
Good luck with the revived bugday.
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can't imagine the other
Trustees would be opposed)!
Rich
Works for me too, so thats a majority vote of Trustees.
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reason that everything
else happens in Gentoo. Someone is interested in doing it.
I agree its not 'core business' but Gentoo isn't a business.
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,
improvement means change but change is not always improvement.
I'll summarise it in a post French revolution saying ...
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
What would make Gentoo more awsome next year?
Getting more devs on board so existing things can move faster.
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William
I don't think the 'luddites' have quite so black and white a view as
that but if I expand on it much more, I'll reignite a flamewar we have
already had.
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in their own time with their own resources.
thanks,
greg k-h
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? Will the lectures be recorded?
-ZC
I would be interested in an online version too.
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, if we decide to outsource the website project, it needs to
be carefully controlled.
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. Success comes in many forms,
so I won't try to predict exactly what that means. Suffice to say, we
will all recognise it when we see it.
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have different opinions.
What seems trivial today, may not be trivial tomorrow if a licencor
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On 2012.11.25 14:42, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Roy Bamford
neddyseag...@gentoo.org
wrote:
From the point of view of the licencor, the licence is just as
important as the code, so there are no trivial licence issues.
As a trustee, I am unhappy with losing
Duncan,
You don't want to listen to Presidents too much. Look at other real
life examples.
Would you claim that the President of the Gentoo Foundation speaks for
Gentoo?
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you build a dud kernel and flash your BIOS with it, and we all
build the odd dud, your motherboard is bricked.
Now what?
Get out your JTAG adaptor and another PC I suppose.
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packages that emerge -e world just updated for you.
[snip]
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the licence before they install and subsequently use
the package.
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in. Thats no worse than being nagged about unread news.
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