On Monday 31 July 2006 04:28, Dan Meltzer wrote:
I do not see why it is considdered hard for users to get involved.
Users have at least two choices that I can think of right now, and
probably a number that I cannot think of.
1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:27, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
On Monday 31 July 2006 04:28, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency
they desire, contributing to gentoo casually.
And the patch hanging in bugzilla forever because no-one wants to
On 8/2/06, Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:27, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
On Monday 31 July 2006 04:28, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency
they desire, contributing to gentoo casually.
And the patch hanging
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:53:58PM -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
http://www.gentoo-sunrise.org/sunrise/wiki/SunriseFaq#ButBugzillaisactuallyeasier
says:
We do think that Sunrise is easier.
[..]
But in contrast to that it requires more knowledge and tools to get
something into sunrise - more work
On Monday 31 July 2006 04:52, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:28, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency
they desire, contributing to gentoo casually.
load up your browser and check out how many bugs are assigned
to '[EMAIL
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| we take a risk with this project (like every single other
| project) ... if sunrise turns
On Friday 28 July 2006 01:55, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
So long and thank you for all the fish,
Brix
I really hate to return home from a long weekend to read these kind of emails.
I'm very sad to see you go, you really improved alot on the wireless experience!
Good luck with your future
On Friday 28 July 2006 06:02, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:35:24AM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
Mike asked you repeatedly to voice your issues or concerns in relation
to Project Sunrise, which you failed to reply to.
How many times are we supposed to raise our
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:51:09 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| then what else would you expect the Council to do ?
Personally I'd expect the council to block the thing permanently. The
council is, after all, supposed to serve as the last line of defence
against people pushing
On Sunday 30 July 2006 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Personally I'd expect the council to block the thing permanently.
hard to address any sort of concerns here, so i guess i'll just regurgitate
the council log to you
it's hard for users to get involved in our development process ... i imagine
On 7/30/06, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 30 July 2006 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Personally I'd expect the council to block the thing permanently.
hard to address any sort of concerns here, so i guess i'll just regurgitate
the council log to you
it's hard for users to
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| we take a risk with this project (like every single other
| project) ... if sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then we
| kill it, no big deal
How many more users and developers will have to be lost before it's
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 03:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| we take a risk with this project (like every single other
| project) ... if sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then we
| kill it, no big deal
On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:28, Dan Meltzer wrote:
1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency
they desire, contributing to gentoo casually.
load up your browser and check out how many bugs are assigned
to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
opening a bug, putting together an
On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| we take a risk with this project (like every single other
| project) ... if sunrise turns out to suck and cause problems, then we
| kill it, no big deal
How many more
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:50:31 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a
| starting place.
-!- [Users #gentoo-sunrise]
-!- @genstef devon bonsaikitten_ Zamorate eimono|home dev-zero brebs
staskorz @nichoj_work eimono SunriseCIA
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 04:06 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:50:31 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a
| starting place.
-!- [Users #gentoo-sunrise]
-!- @genstef devon bonsaikitten_ Zamorate
I am only a user and have been keeping out of this debate but I feel I need to
at least express my thoughts. I have been folllowing the Sunrise thread(s)
since it started. I have done a couple of ebuilds a long time ago and
would love to have been able to contribute to Gentoo but due to time
OK wait, on your servers, are you actually planning to *use* any of the
ebuilds in Sunrise's overlay?
If not, how is it a concern? I personally don't use any of them, and my
system is running perfectly fine.
Let's not forget that nobody is shoving Sunrise down anyone's throat...
--
Seemant
On Sunday 30 July 2006 23:32, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
- first for my systems - are that it is allowing essentially anybody to
submit almost anything with no QA.
no, read the FAQ
My concern is beyond me. As I stated I know enough about what to expect IF I
use sunrise. But many do not and with it becoming official people figure
it's gentoo and when it breaks Gentoo suffers. Gentoo has a reputation as a
good solid, stable distro. As user and big fan of Gentoo I'm
On 7/30/06, Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My concerns - first for my systems - are that it is allowing essentially
anybody to
submit almost anything with no QA.
This no QA accusation is a complete myth. QA led by actual Gentoo
developers is indeed in place at Sunrise [1]. Every
On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 23:50 -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
My concern is beyond me. As I stated I know enough about what to expect IF
I
use sunrise. But many do not and with it becoming official people figure
it's gentoo and when it breaks Gentoo suffers. Gentoo has a reputation as a
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:20:16 -0500 Alex Tarkovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| This no QA accusation is a complete myth. QA led by actual Gentoo
| developers is indeed in place at Sunrise [1].
Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers are on the list?
Even that aside, if a couple of hundred
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 05:27 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers are on the list?
Is this sort of degeneration really necessary?
Even that aside, if a couple of hundred developers can't handle doing
QA for all those maintainer-wanted ebuilds, what
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:36:36 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 05:27 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers are on the list?
|
| Is this sort of degeneration really necessary?
Considering how one of the major
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:42:52 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| What, honestly, are people worried about with Sunrise?
Partly, the part where it's run by people who have little clue about
ebuild development or QA, who will be taking code from people who have
little clue about ebuild
On 7/30/06, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:20:16 -0500 Alex Tarkovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| This no QA accusation is a complete myth. QA led by actual Gentoo
| developers is indeed in place at Sunrise [1].
Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:50:40 -0400
Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Continue with *top-posting* as it is.
Does Gentoo gives more choises to users or not?
With the freedom/choise comes the responsibility (if anything breaks).
Gentoo is known not to be for *everybody* (unless he/she is
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:35:24AM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
Mike asked you repeatedly to voice your issues or concerns in relation
to Project Sunrise, which you failed to reply to.
How many times are we supposed to raise our concerns about a project
whose founders already agreed to run
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:02 +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:35:24AM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
Mike asked you repeatedly to voice your issues or concerns in relation
to Project Sunrise, which you failed to reply to.
How many times are we supposed to raise
To my former fellow Gentoo developers and users,
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 11:58:09PM +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
To my fellow Gentoo developers and users,
In last weeks council meeting [1] it was decided that the Sunrise project is
no longer suspended. I can give a short overview of the
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