Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-26 Thread Jim Ramsay
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: People reporting bugs often get annoyed when their bug is marked INVALID; especially when they're relatively new to the Gentoo Experience. We've all seen it many times, I'm sure. I know I'm coming in late on this one, but I can see how having a bug marked as INVALID with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Jakub Moc wrote: Kevin F. Quinn napsal(a): [snip] See, I don't really care how the reporter feels, if something's not a bug, then it's not a bug. Don't invent confusing 'politically correct' junk for this just because someone might feel 'offended'. One issue is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-25 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: I know I've seen many instances where the word INVALID has got peoples hackles up, [...] This is the same issue I have with NOTABUG - it's like saying, you're wrong, shouldn't have raised the report, just perhaps not as in-your-face as INVALID. Precisely. NOTABUG

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-25 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/25, Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Precisely. NOTABUG sounds less harsh than INVALID (for some just a little, for others a lot), it is less likely to irk people, and it is also used elsewhere, so why not use it instead? Not that i care that much, but imho INVALID

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Kevin F. Quinn napsal(a): Arguably no bug is invalid in the normal sense - if someone raises an issue, they have an issue, regardless what we think of it. To that end I'd like to propose bugzilla be reconfigured to use the phrase NOCHANGE instead of INVALID. NOCHANGE would indicate that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:34:21 +0100 Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People reporting bugs often get annoyed when their bug is marked INVALID; especially when they're relatively new to the Gentoo Experience. We've all seen it many times, I'm sure. Arguably no bug is invalid in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Michael Cummings
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 06:34:21PM +0100, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: People reporting bugs often get annoyed when their bug is marked INVALID; especially when they're relatively new to the Gentoo Experience. We've all seen it many times, I'm sure. But sometimes, just sometimes, the bugs are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:14:38 +0100 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:34:21 +0100 Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People reporting bugs often get annoyed when their bug is marked INVALID; especially when they're relatively new to the Gentoo Experience.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
I think that there is a problem of concept. If a bug is marked INVALID, it's because it is not a real bug. Marking a bug NOCHANGE or NOCHANGEREQUIRED, not only overlaps with other resolutions, but fails to better explain the reason why the bug was closed, whereas INVALID indeed means that the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:48:25 -0400 Michael Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 06:34:21PM +0100, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: People reporting bugs often get annoyed when their bug is marked INVALID; especially when they're relatively new to the Gentoo Experience. We've all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Alin Năstac
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: The problem I have with NOTABUG is pretty much the same problem I have with INVALID - it's not as severe, but it still does the same thing to the user (i.e. slaps him with a wet fish rather than a frozen one). Maybe, just maybe, the problem is not with the resolution

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:07:08 +0100 Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly good explanations as to why a bug is being closed are to be encouraged. My issue isn't with that - it's with the way that the marking INVALID is perceived, when there's no need to be so harsh. And NOCHANGE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:02:48 +0100 Ioannis Aslanidis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that there is a problem of concept. If a bug is marked INVALID, it's because it is not a real bug. Marking a bug NOCHANGE or NOCHANGEREQUIRED, not only overlaps with other resolutions, but fails to better

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:17:52 +0200 Alin Năstac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin F. Quinn wrote: The problem I have with NOTABUG is pretty much the same problem I have with INVALID - it's not as severe, but it still does the same thing to the user (i.e. slaps him with a wet fish rather than a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:46:07 +0100 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:07:08 +0100 Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly good explanations as to why a bug is being closed are to be encouraged. My issue isn't with that - it's with the way that the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Kevin F. Quinn napsal(a): [snip] See, I don't really care how the reporter feels, if something's not a bug, then it's not a bug. Don't invent confusing 'politically correct' junk for this just because someone might feel 'offended'. Thanks. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Jakub Moc wrote: Kevin F. Quinn napsal(a): [snip] See, I don't really care how the reporter feels, if something's not a bug, then it's not a bug. In which case it must be a feature, so why not use the keyword FEATURE? Don't invent confusing 'politically correct' junk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Christopher Sawtell napsal(a): See, I don't really care how the reporter feels, if something's not a bug, then it's not a bug. In which case it must be a feature, so why not use the keyword FEATURE? And why use it? Anything else than 'so that we are 'politically correct'? Sorry, this doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:05:02 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, so resolving 'INVALID' a bug for people that report crap like 'oh, my sci-mathematics/*' thingy got horribly broken with -ffast-math' causes an offense to them? Well, that's a good thing, maybe they'll actually use their

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, so resolving 'INVALID' a bug for people that report crap like 'oh, my sci-mathematics/*' thingy got horribly broken with -ffast-math' causes an offense to them? Well, that's a good thing, maybe they'll actually use their brain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID - NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-24 Thread Alin Năstac
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Jakub Moc wrote: Kevin F. Quinn napsal(a): [snip] See, I don't really care how the reporter feels, if something's not a bug, then it's not a bug. In which case it must be a feature, so why not use the keyword FEATURE? Why would