[gentoo-dev] Re: Resignation

2006-10-09 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Tim, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Tim Yamin schrieb: So long, and thanks for all the fish... Even I hope you rethink it... V-Li -- Fingerprint: 68C5 D381 B69A A777 6A91 E999 350A AD7C 2B85 9DE3 http://www.gnupg.org/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Simon Stelling
Dominique Michel wrote: When an user or a potential user read it and want to do a networkless install, it will just use the Live CD install, and just get in trouble. It is even worse when many Linux magazines will have this CD. And you cannot argue at it is just to use catalyst or to burn a CD

[gentoo-dev] Re: CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN

2006-10-09 Thread Duncan
Dice R. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:30:56 -0700: For example c-ffast-math/c is added by the xmame/xmess ebuilds on most architectures even tho you SHOULD NOT put it in your CFLAGS./li tho should be though FWIW, that addition

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 23:19 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Should we add multiple inheritance support now? The changes necessary to add this support are minimal and we can have this feature in portage-2.1.2 [3], which I estimate will be ready for a final release in approximately 3 to 5

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Timothy Redaelli (drizzt)

2006-10-09 Thread Luca Barbato
Petteri Räty wrote: So please welcome drizzt and give him the usual warm welcome. Ohh a shiny new minion for the media lairs, mind you Flameeyes? Ok, being serious, I'm happy that the Italian conspirancy has another member, I hope sooner or later we could all meet somewhere for a drink and a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN

2006-10-09 Thread Lionel Bouton
Duncan wrote the following on 09.10.2006 12:51 : Dice R. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:30:56 -0700: For example c-ffast-math/c is added by the xmame/xmess ebuilds on most architectures even tho you SHOULD NOT put it in your

[gentoo-dev] Re: CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN

2006-10-09 Thread Duncan
Lionel Bouton [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:51:32 +0200: I did hesitate :-) But as english isn't my native language, I chose to belive that 'tho' was now acceptable. Well, I'd say it is in informal usage, email, IM and the like. Certainly

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 09 October 2006 19:40, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Alexis Ballier (also known as aballier), our latest addition joining to help out with the media-sound and media-video herd. When you say the surprise! I didn't even know we were going to have fresh meat

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Timothy Redaelli (drizzt)

2006-10-09 Thread Christian Heim
On Sunday, 08. October. 2006 14:17, Petteri Räty wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce to you Timothy drizzt Redaelli, the latest addition joining to help out with the Gentoo/FreeBSD effort. He hails from Milan, Italy. He currently works as an embedded programmer using ASM/C. It probably

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Luca Barbato
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Monday 09 October 2006 19:40, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Alexis Ballier (also known as aballier), our latest addition joining to help out with the media-sound and media-video herd. When you say the surprise! I didn't even know

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Xavier Maillard
On Monday, 9 October 2006, Christian Heim wrote: So please welcome Alexis as a new fellow developer among us! Super, bienvenue Alexis :) -- Cheers Xavier -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Peter Weber
Hello, I am very glad to here that a complet networkless install via a stage3 on the dvd without the installer would be possible again! But why you write always something about the distfiles? Are there users who want this? I really don't know. I personally, think in the same way like you! It is

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 07:40:07PM +0200, Christian Heim wrote: He hails from Marseille (that's in France if someone doesn't know where Marseille is). Where's France? ;-) So please welcome Alexis as a new fellow developer among us! Welcome Alexis! cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Mon, Oct 9, 2006 at 20:30:36 +0200, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Alexis Ballier (also known as aballier), our latest addition joining to help out with the media-sound and media-video herd. He hails from Marseille (that's in France if someone doesn't know

Re: [gentoo-dev] o.g.o: planet upgraded

2006-10-09 Thread ArYiX
2006/10/6, Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Just a note to say that I've upgraded overlay.gentoo.org's copy of Planet to the latest nightly release. (We use Planet to generate o.g.o's front page). overlays If you notice any problems, please let me know. Best regards, Stu -- --ArYiX

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 19:40 +0200, Christian Heim wrote: He hails from Marseille (that's in France if someone doesn't know where Marseille is). So far he hasn't contributed anything big (like being a dev) Since, I'm in the US, I assume you mean that this Mar-Say place is in Freedomia. So

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Luca Barbato
Alexandre Buisse wrote: His skillset only includes the basic linux languages (that being beneath English, C and C++, but also BASH) and ocaml (wtf is ocaml? - thanks to Alec I know that now). I think you need to be french to know ocaml. I know it, should I have to be afraid? lu --

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 09 October 2006 21:39, Luca Barbato wrote: I think you need to be french to know ocaml. I know it, should I have to be afraid? You're from Turin, you're near enough not to be counted :P -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ Gentoo/Alt lead,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2006.10.09 19:42, Peter Weber wrote: [snip] But to include the sources need simply too much space. I also think it it enough to deliver only one stage3 (i686 on the x86-disk, x86-64 on amd64-disk...). Greetz [snip] Peter, Such a disk will not support P1s and AMD k6 CPUs (or older).

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-09 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your feedback, everyone. I've gone ahead and enabled multiple inheritance in portage-2.1.2_pre2-r7. I would appreciate it if people would start experimenting with it (of course, please don't use multiple inheritance in the live tree in

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Zac Medico wrote: (of course, please don't use multiple inheritance in the live tree in ways that will hurt users of the current single inheritance profiles). If someone does, can we blame you? :) -- Andrew Gaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-09 Thread Alec Warner
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Zac Medico wrote: (of course, please don't use multiple inheritance in the live tree in ways that will hurt users of the current single inheritance profiles). If someone does, can we blame you? :) Don't blame the tool, blame the tool using the tool improperly. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Kari Hazzard
On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer is more constricting and gives us less freedom--That's not the Gentoo way. If the tool

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kari Hazzard wrote: There's a thing called self-reference criteria. It's anathema in marketing. If you think you know what is best for your users, you will all of your users and thus most of your employees. Your users know what is best for them, *not* you, as you are not a user (whether

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 20:42 +0200, Peter Weber wrote: Hello, I am very glad to here that a complet networkless install via a stage3 on the dvd without the installer would be possible again! I never said that. At any rate, the next release will allow a user to *very* easily to networkless

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 07:40 -0400, Kari Hazzard wrote: On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer is more constricting and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:40:53 -0400 Kari Hazzard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the | tool is working against, rather than for, the user. That doesn't mean that the user is using the right tool. If you're trying to nail something to a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Peter Weber
You've wrote sth. about more content and a stage3 on the LiveDVD, or not?! On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 17:50 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 20:42 +0200, Peter Weber wrote: Hello, I am very glad to here that a complet networkless install via a stage3 on the dvd without the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Peter Weber
It was only a suggestion, not a decision. Of course, there are only a little number of this early systems. i686 would be really nice, i386 would be nice, too ;-) On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 20:45 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: On 2006.10.09 19:42, Peter Weber wrote: [snip] But to include the sources

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Alec Warner
Kari Hazzard wrote: On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer is more constricting and gives us less freedom--That's not the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Caleb Cushing
I would like to state my opinion on this... debate. the installer for me... is inadequate it does not allow for nearly enough customization. I generally keep my boot partitions at 32 MB why? because I don't need anymore space than that( I have never even used half that much). I optomize my ext3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:47 -0400 Caleb Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I would like to state my opinion on this... debate. the installer for | me... is inadequate it does not allow for nearly enough customization. Then don't use the installer. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 19:40 +0200, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Alexis Ballier (also known as aballier), our latest addition joining to help out with the media-sound and media-video herd. Welcome Alexis. His skillset only includes the basic linux languages

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-09 Thread Caleb Cushing
umm... I don't that was the point (that it can't work for everyone). However it would be nice if I didn't have to download a tarball. I see the point in why it's hard with distfiles but how hard would it be to add tarballs and limited distfiles. to a minimal cd) and make it universal and put it

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 27: Revisited (aka dynusers/creandus)

2006-10-09 Thread Mike Kelly
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:46:03 -0400 Mike Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:09:08 -0400 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You missed games-* (yes, all of them) via the games.eclass, but I'm sure there's a couple more eclasses that do user/group modification.