Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 16 January 2010 17:46:08 Benedikt Böhm wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Michael Higgins wrote: > > Yes, PORTDIR default location under /usr was a totally stupid thing. > > Please don't repeat it... > > One thing all you /usr naggers forget is, that /var cannot be shared > rea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Benedikt Böhm
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Michael Higgins wrote: > Yes, PORTDIR default location under /usr was a totally stupid thing. > Please don't repeat it... One thing all you /usr naggers forget is, that /var cannot be shared read-only via nfs (or bind mounts in case of virtual servers). most singl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/16/10 23:46, Benedikt Böhm wrote: > One thing all you /usr naggers forget is, that /var cannot be shared > read-only via nfs (or bind mounts in case of virtual servers). Why is that? Please tell more. Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Ben de Groot dixit (2010-01-16, 00:41): > 2010/1/15 Dawid Węgliński : > > On Friday 15 January 2010 20:44:43 Alex Legler wrote: > >> >   /var/lib/layman > >> > > >> > do well? > >> > >> +1 > >> > > -1, /usr/local/layman? > > /usr/local/ is a location the system should avoid. Somewhere in /var/ >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Mike Frysinger dixit (2010-01-15, 20:45): > On Friday 15 January 2010 20:24:38 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > On 01/16/10 00:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > > - From the alternatives, /var/lib/layman doesn't sound right. If > > > /var/cache/layman doesn't work, what about /var/spool/layman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Higgins
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:57:39 +0100 Peter Hjalmarsson wrote: > lör 2010-01-16 klockan 19:31 +0100 skrev Jörg Schaible: > > dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:57:38PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > > >> 2010/1/16 Peter Volkov : > > >> > layman cache is nfs distributable.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Peter Hjalmarsson
lör 2010-01-16 klockan 19:31 +0100 skrev Jörg Schaible: > dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:57:38PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> 2010/1/16 Peter Volkov : > >> > layman cache is nfs distributable. Also it's good idea to have it close > >> > to PORTDIR. Thus I'd like to k

[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Peter Hjalmarsson
lör 2010-01-16 klockan 19:16 +0100 skrev Sebastian Pipping: > On 01/16/10 05:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 15 January 2010 20:55:18 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > >> On 01/16/10 02:45, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >>> the better idea > >>> though would be to split your stuff along the proper lines

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/16/10 19:31, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > Why not make it a configuration option, with the default as > /var/layman (or whatever you want)? It is configurable already (see /etc/layman/layman.cfg) #--- # Defines the directory where ove

[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Jörg Schaible
dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:57:38PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: >> 2010/1/16 Peter Volkov : >> > layman cache is nfs distributable. Also it's good idea to have it close >> > to PORTDIR. Thus I'd like to keep it somewhere at /usr. >> >> I'd like both to be under /var/ >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > it seems that > >  /var/layman > > is the only location nobody has objected to, yet.  i plan to go with > that atm.  /var/lib/layman is my second favorite. > > again, any objections? > Why not make it a configuration option, with the de

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/16/10 13:56, Ben de Groot wrote: >> anybody objecting to /var/layman ? > > I like that. it seems that /var/layman is the only location nobody has objected to, yet. i plan to go with that atm. /var/lib/layman is my second favorite. again, any objections? sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/16/10 12:17, Fabian Groffen wrote: > How about storing it in DISTDIR (like metadata.xml)? Or storing it > somewhere in the rsync image? I'm not really sure what you have in mind. Can you make it a bit more "visual" for me? Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 01/16/10 05:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 15 January 2010 20:55:18 Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> On 01/16/10 02:45, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> the better idea >>> though would be to split your stuff along the proper lines. >>> >>> cache files = /var/cache/layman/ >> >> as i said: it's not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: ccc.eclass

2010-01-16 Thread Petteri Räty
On 01/12/2010 12:23 AM, Brian Harring wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 09:25:51PM +0100, Raaal Porcel wrote: >> scarabeus told me that the eclass can't be removed until two years since >> the deprecation date, so... >> >> Removal of the eclass on 2012/01/11 > > Reasoning? Prior to env saving we c

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread dev-random
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:57:38PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > 2010/1/16 Peter Volkov : > > layman cache is nfs distributable. Also it's good idea to have it close > > to PORTDIR. Thus I'd like to keep it somewhere at /usr. > > I'd like both to be under /var/ > I _use_ both under /var/. In my c

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/16 Peter Volkov : > layman cache is nfs distributable. Also it's good idea to have it close > to PORTDIR. Thus I'd like to keep it somewhere at /usr. I'd like both to be under /var/ Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/16 Sebastian Pipping : > On 01/16/10 02:45, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> if you want to keep all of layman's stuff together, then about your only >> option is to create your own tree at like /var/layman/. > > anybody objecting to /var/layman ? I like that. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux develop

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-01-2010 a las 17:16 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan escribió: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > >> It's just impossible to choose perfect location that suits all needs and > >> it should stay user-configurable. So again, do not change this default > >> we no real need ano

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: >> It's just impossible to choose perfect location that suits all needs and >> it should stay user-configurable. So again, do not change this default >> we no real need another time, please. > > /usr/local is a bad choice for an ebuild-generated

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 15-01-2010 20:36:20 +0100, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I would like to get it right with the next switch. > Would > > /var/lib/layman > > do well? /var/cache/layman seems inadequate as it might not be > regenerated [2] without losses (as upstream moves along). > > Would be great to hear a f

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Lars Wendler
> It's just impossible to choose perfect location that suits all needs and > it should stay user-configurable. So again, do not change this default > we no real need another time, please. /usr/local is a bad choice for an ebuild-generated default. Like I said in bug #253725 I don't want ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Peter Volkov
The bug you mentioned [253725] is not about layman location, it's only about "keepdir" line. Why don't we fix that and don't change defaults another time? Such change does more harm for our users then good. В Сбт, 16/01/2010 в 02:55 +0100, Sebastian Pipping пишет: > On 01/16/10 02:45, Mike Frysing