Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we > want to use that argument. Someone did, but unfortunately gcc-config is a big pile of poorly understood voodoo, so eclectic gcc ended up being abandoned. -- Ciaran McC

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > > For the same reason we have all the other eselect modules. > > We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we > want to use that argument. Looking at Duncan's reply, that has already happened in the past. Really,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Dale
Tom Wijsman wrote: > For the same reason we have all the other eselect modules. > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/eselect/ Ironically, that project description even mentions init system... :) As someone else pointed out, not the same thing. Quoting: William Hubbs wrote: > Yes, but the init syste

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > If users can already do it themselves, then why this entire thread? > Why do we need eselect/whatever? The big argument in favour of eselect is that when the procedure for switching things changes, there's no need to worry about users do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Luca Barbato
On 05/29/2013 10:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> There are a couple of other possible approaches... >>> >>> 1) If the 2 systems can achieve peacefull co-existance (i.e. no >>> identically-named files with different contents) then simply

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) > > > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. > > > > How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init > > parameter. > > Where is the ini

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) > > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. > > How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init > parameter.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Wed, 29 May 2013 19:22:32 -0500 as excerpted: > We could probably also turn gcc-config into an eselect module if we want > to use that argument. IIRC it actually was, at one point. The eselect gcc module even allowed separate configs for 32-bit and 64-bit on at least amd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 02:06:42AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:55:23 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > > > > We want to make this easier towards the user, therefore doing heavy > > > discussion to exhaust all the alternatives and maybe someone's > > > interested in implementin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:55:23 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > > We want to make this easier towards the user, therefore doing heavy > > discussion to exhaust all the alternatives and maybe someone's > > interested in implementing one of them that appears most feasible. > > Since users can already do

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Suggested packages option in portage

2013-05-29 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 29-05-2013 a las 11:46 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: > On 29/05/13 11:43 AM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: > > I think, it'll be nice to have a way to suggest some packages to > > user, when (s)he installs something. For now it is only way to do > > that by something like: > > > > p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > There are a couple of other possible approaches... > > > > 1) If the 2 systems can achieve peacefull co-existance (i.e. no > > identically-named files with different contents) then simply have 2 > > boot entries in /etc/lilo.conf (or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 14:15:54 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init parameter. As far as I heard there is only one excep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:52:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote > On Wed, 29 May 2013 00:36:58 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > > 3b) Except... at that point root isn't writable > > Let me stop you here. Does it need to be writable at that point? > > We're reading the path of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Suggested packages option in portage

2013-05-29 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/05/13 11:43 AM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: > I think, it'll be nice to have a way to suggest some packages to > user, when (s)he installs something. For now it is only way to do > that by something like: > > pkg_postinst() { if ! has_ver

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Suggested packages option in portage

2013-05-29 Thread Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
I think, it'll be nice to have a way to suggest some packages to user, when (s)he installs something. For now it is only way to do that by something like: pkg_postinst() { if ! has_version dev-lua/iluajit; then einfo "You'd probably want to install dev-lua/iluajit to";

[gentoo-dev] Re: PSA: python-r1.eclass, python-single-r1.eclass, and REQUIRED_USE

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 30/05/2013 01:06, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/2013 04:51 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: Would it be possible to add repoman checks for this, and other common failures like missing PYTHON_USEDEP? The latter is impossible. Repoman has no way to figur

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: PSA: python-r1.eclass, python-single-r1.eclass, and REQUIRED_USE

2013-05-29 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/2013 04:51 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > Would it be possible to add repoman checks for this, and other > common failures like missing PYTHON_USEDEP? > > The latter is impossible. Repoman has no way to figure out if PYTHON_USEDEP is necessa

[gentoo-dev] Re: PSA: python-r1.eclass, python-single-r1.eclass, and REQUIRED_USE

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 28/05/2013 01:35, Jonathan Callen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 A quick reminder for anyone using python-r1.eclass or python-single-r1.eclass: These eclasses provide a ${PYTHON_REQUIRED_USE} variable that should be included in REQUIRED_USE under the same USE conditio

[gentoo-dev] Re: Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 29/05/2013 21:18, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: Yep I'm thinking about gerrit like workflow. But seems it doesnt make sense with RB and CVS. Yes, Review Board and Gerrit target different things.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-29 Thread Alexey Shvetsov
Yep I'm thinking about gerrit like workflow. But seems it doesnt make sense with RB and CVS. В письме от 29 мая 2013 10:22:29 пользователь Tomáš Chvátal написал: > He is probably thinking about buildtests and automatic commit merges which > are not possible with reviewboard. > > Dne 29.5.2013 9:

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/20/2013 08:29 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > We have `iamlate` for this in app-portage/gentoolkit-dev. /usr/bin/imlate , nice ;-) - -- Michael Weber Gentoo Developer web: https://xmw.de/ mailto: Michael Weber -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 29 May 2013 00:36:58 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > 3b) Except... at that point root isn't writable Let me stop you here. Does it need to be writable at that point? We're reading the path of the init file to boot from a file, we start the executable at that path; no w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-29 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
He is probably thinking about buildtests and automatic commit merges which are not possible with reviewboard. Dne 29.5.2013 9:09 "Michael Palimaka" napsal(a): > On 29/05/2013 02:07, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Cool! I didnt use RB before, but i use gerrit. Do you pan to integrate it >>

[gentoo-dev] Re: Review Board for Gentoo

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 29/05/2013 02:07, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: Hi! Cool! I didnt use RB before, but i use gerrit. Do you pan to integrate it to g.o.g.o? It seems can be done by git commit hooks What sort of integration did you have in mind?