Re: [gentoo-dev] How not to discuss

2009-05-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200 > Patrick Lauer wrote: >> - Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like "C++ feels >> better" don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively >> wrong for me, so they have no place in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Small review on function return codes and simplicity

2009-03-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I noticed some eclass commits using java-pkg_func-exists() and it's a > lot more complicated than it needs to me. Perhaps not everybody knows > that bash generally gives a return status from functions of the last > command run in that func

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating EAPI0

2009-03-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:06:47 +0100 > Maciej Mrozowski wrote: >> Considering average post count and Gentoo membership on that list, >> I'm pretty convinced you're not entitled to decide who is wasting >> developers' time. > > When you've g

Re: [gentoo-dev] newins "-" for standard input?

2009-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>> Now that "dosed" is going to be banned, what would people think of >>> "newins" (and the other "new*" commands) accepting "-" as the first >>> argument? > >> There's a slightly different

Re: [gentoo-dev] perforce client proper license

2009-03-22 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:44:48 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Alec Warner >> wrote: >> > I think you will encounter namespace collisions, thats why I CC'd >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating EAPI0

2009-03-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Saturday 21 March 2009 22:26:41 Alec Warner wrote: >> >> > > Introducing a policy encouraging moving things that definitely >> >> > > aren't in the least bit likely to be a system dep on a bum

Re: [gentoo-dev] perforce client proper license

2009-03-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:41:39 Alec Warner wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Ciaran McCreesh >> >> wrote: >> > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:39:43 +0200 >> > >> > Markos Chandras wr

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating EAPI0

2009-03-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:55:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:53:16 +0100 >> >> Patrick Lauer wrote: >> > Because, as you have noticed before, developers get confused which >> > eapi has which features available. And ea

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating EAPI0

2009-03-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Hi all, > > with the discussion about EAPI3 we have now 4 (or 7, depending on how you > count them ;) ) EAPIs available or almost available. This is getting quite > confusing. Be more specific, what actual problems have you encountered? Wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] perforce client proper license

2009-03-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:39:43 +0200 > Markos Chandras wrote: >> I took a look on EAPI2 specifications but couldn't find how mirrors >> behave with arrows. > > It's supposed to say this: > >> In EAPIs supporting arrows, if an arrow is used,

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, AllenJB wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> >> On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be available via > IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a project could realize > mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Pierre-Yves Rofes wrote: > On Tue, March 10, 2009 7:07 am, Duncan wrote: >> Gordon Malm posted >> 200903091617.48682.gen...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar >> 2009 16:17:48 -0700: >> >>> There is an important security aspect to retiring folks - commit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-09 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:20:03 +0100 > Christian Faulhammer wrote: >> Package A goes stable, test suite passes. Package B (a dependency of >> A) goes stable in a newer version, which will cause A to not merge in >> stable profile. This happ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?

2009-03-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Caleb Cushing wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht > wrote: >> Give a git access to the developpers beside the current CVS ? > > or replace cvs with git... oh and you can replace rsync too... because > git is faster there as well. People are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: > Let's try something new. I would like to get opinions from as many > people as possible about GLEP 55 and alternatives listed here in order > to get some idea what the general developer pool thinks. Everyone is > only allowed to post a singl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:33:19 -0800 > Alec Warner wrote: >> Hey I never said its a perfect solution; but I'm a fan of the 'it >> covers 80%'. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:21:25 -0800 > Alec Warner wrote: >> Somewhat ironically, had everyone been less stubborn last year when >> discussing this topic we could have embedded the EAPI in line X of the >> ebuild in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
Somewhat ironically, had everyone been less stubborn last year when discussing this topic we could have embedded the EAPI in line X of the ebuild in 2008 and be using it now; instead of still discussing it. I don't expect new novel ideas out of this thread. I expect the council to defer it again

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Issues regarding glep-55 (Was: [gentoo-council] Re: Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009)

2009-02-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:43:09 -0700 > Steve Dibb wrote: >> Plus, I don't really grasp the whole "we have to source the whole >> ebuild to know the EAPI version" argument. It's one variable, in one >> line. Can't a simple parser get that an

Re: [gentoo-dev] PR Project Activity Issues

2009-01-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 01:55 Tue 27 Jan , Alec Warner wrote: >> Getting Index2 live is I think a different operational issue (that >> changes to the website are very slow) and really has nothing to do >> with PR aside from them n

Re: [gentoo-dev] PR Project Activity Issues

2009-01-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM, AllenJB wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:30 PM, AllenJB >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The Gentoo PR Project currently appears to be having difficulties with >>> keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] PR Project Activity Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> On 21:30 Mon 26 Jan , AllenJB wrote: >>> The Gentoo PR Project currently appears to be having difficulties with >>> keeping up, both with the newsletters and announcements, and I believe >>> this is currently ref

Re: [gentoo-dev] PR Project Activity Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:30 PM, AllenJB wrote: > Hi all, > > The Gentoo PR Project currently appears to be having difficulties with > keeping up, both with the newsletters and announcements, and I believe this > is currently reflecting badly on the project as a whole. These issues are > apparentl

Re: [gentoo-dev] slot deps in package.mask and profiles

2009-01-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>> >>> On 21:04 Sun 25 Jan , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:25:44 -0100 "Jorge Manuel B. S

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anouncement: Updated kde4 eclasses in the tree.

2009-01-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Dale wrote: > Tomáš Chvátal wrote: >> Hi, >> << SNIP >> >> >> Tomas >> PS: I really hope i didnt miss something important. >> PPS: I really really hope that this time kmail will sent this as only text >> mail not html one. >> > > And in the future, hit compose new

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

2009-01-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:05 AM, AllenJB wrote: > Peter Volkov wrote: >> >> В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет: >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote: - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry >>> >>> `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see w

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > Fabio Rossi wrote: >> >> I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo inside /var/lib. >> Currently we have this situation (at least on my system): >> >> /var/lib/eselect >> /var/lib/gentoo/enews >> /var/lib/herdstat/ >> /var/lib/mod

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog use.local.desc

2009-01-02 Thread Alec Warner
Eudora actually, I use a classy mail client. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: >> How hard would it be to change permissions on the ,v file for this and >> just run the use.local.desc updater as a user with different >> privileges? &

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog use.local.desc

2009-01-02 Thread Alec Warner
How hard would it be to change permissions on the ,v file for this and just run the use.local.desc updater as a user with different privileges? -Alec On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Matsuu Takuto (matsuu) wrote: > matsuu 09/01/02 16:19:02 > > Modified: ChangeLog use.local.desc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removal of net-misc/udhcp will break systems

2008-12-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Not sure where to report this. net-misc/udhcp got masked recently with > following notice: > > - net-misc/udhcp-0.9.9_pre20041216-r4 (masked by: package.mask) > /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: > # Diego Pettenò (23 Dec 2008) > #

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libIDL: libIDL-0.8.10.ebuild

2008-12-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On P, 2008-12-07 at 12:07 +, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote: >> vapier 08/12/07 12:07:53 >> >> Modified: libIDL-0.8.10.ebuild > >  > ChangeLog entires are mandatory without any exceptions for > stabili

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help

2008-12-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Wulf C. Krueger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday, 08. December 2008 17:37:42 Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take >> longer, and it's something you certainly participate in quite >> frequently so I'm surpri

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Create a JOBS variable to replace -jX in MAKEOPTS

2008-12-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since not all the buildsystem we support use make for the actual build, > and they don't necessarily support make-like options (-jX -s and so on), > it would be nice to be able to express a JOBS variable that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog package.mask

2008-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to implore ALL developers to please ensure that they don't > commit broken stuff into profiles, esp. corrupt atoms in package.mask. Imploring is ineffective, humans fail. > > This change went into profiles/pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Maciej Mrozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 02 of December 2008 10:40:19 Alec Warner wrote: > >> >> You asked, so the counter proposal is to *do nothing*. >> >> Ideas (even good ones) don't always get impleme

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Maciej Mrozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 01 of December 2008 22:51:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> Experience, manpower, the ability to try out potential enhancements >> rapidly, a long track record of getting it right and the growing >> recognition tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> - Space savings. Certainly your scheme may be smaller, but the XML >> tag overhead may eat into the sav

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-11-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Diego, What are the concrete benefits of your proposal? > > As I said: > > - no need to replicate homepag

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Volkov wrote: >> Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=1#doc_chap4 >> >> Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-11-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В Вск, 30/11/2008 в 17:09 +0200, Serkan Kaba пишет: >> Peter Volkov yazmış: >> > Also sometimes it's useful to have different HOMEPAGE for different >> > versions. >> > >> > And in general, Diego. What are you trying to impr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remember: workarounds don't warrant RESO FIXED!

2008-11-19 Thread Alec Warner
On 11/17/08, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В Вск, 16/11/2008 в 15:33 -0600, Ryan Hill пишет: > > > > > - FEATURES=test failures; > > > > And what we are supposed to do if upstream states that tests are not > supposed

[gentoo-dev] Re: Do you use repoman (lfull|last)?

2008-11-19 Thread Alec Warner
On 11/19/08, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you *use* or *want* to keep this mode of repoman; please comment on > the bug[1]. > > If you do *not* use or do *not* want to keep this mode of repoman, do > nothing. > > This is an informal means to see if a

[gentoo-dev] Do you use repoman (lfull|last)?

2008-11-19 Thread Alec Warner
If you *use* or *want* to keep this mode of repoman; please comment on the bug[1]. If you do *not* use or do *not* want to keep this mode of repoman, do nothing. This is an informal means to see if anyone is using repoman full or repoman lfull; if it turns out not I hope to cut a patch to remove

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving packages -- breaking the tree or stop updating mirrors?

2008-11-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Torsten Veller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is time to finish the move of some new dual-lifed perl modules > from dev-perl to perl-core (plus virtual/). It involves updating of > 120 packages all over the tree but mostly in dev-perl. > > As this takes some time t

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [project] Re: [RFC] some global useflags

2008-10-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: >> Steve Long wrote: >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> > Steve Long wrote: >>> >> > Have a look at, for example, [1], where Mike already gave you an >>> >> > answer one of the previous times we discussed it. >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [v4] Planning for automatic assignment computation of bugs

2008-10-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now into it's Nth great year, I bring you the fourth edition of the > automatic assignment proposal. > > Previously: > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/48485 [v1] > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilize ebuilds which use EAPIs only supported by ~arch PMs

2008-10-14 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch kirjoitti: >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:59:39 +0200 >> Jose Luis Rivero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:38:34PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 02:03 Tue 14 Oct , Jose Luis Ri

[gentoo-dev] net-nds/nis-utils needs a maintainer or it will get removed.

2008-10-10 Thread Alec Warner
If you don't use NIS or NIS+ you can stop reading now; if you do use NIS or NIS+...I'm so so sorry. The basic gist is "this package is old and everyone should move to LDAP." Consider it masked in two weeks for removal in 30 days unless a maintainer is found. -Alec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-2 and src_configure in eclasses

2008-10-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted > below, on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:17:14 -0700: > >> Consider this your first and last warning from Userrel. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI-2 and src_configure in eclasses

2008-10-10 Thread Alec Warner
I don't want to be the guy that kicks people off lists; but I will do it; so keep the thread on topic[0] and be nice[1]. I know everyone here is capable of that. Feel free to sling the personal crap comments somewhere more appropriate (such as a personal diary, blog, or in verbal complaints to a

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 is brokened :(

2008-10-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:22:19 -0700 > Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So where exactly is this "sky is falling" issue you're worried >> about? Bugs happen. > > It means anyone using EAPI 2 now is going to encount

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for October

2008-10-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:25:55 -0500 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 05:30 Wed 01 Oct , Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even >> > vote on, let us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects without a homepage, and valid contents of HOMEPAGE (per bug 239268)

2008-10-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Thilo Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:44:20 -0700 >> >> "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Either we need special cases to declare that it no longer has a >> > homepage, or we nee

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [RFC] Label profiles with EAPI for compatibility checks

2008-10-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > Please consider a new "eapi" profile configuration file that will > designate the EAPI to which any package atoms within a given layer > of the profile stack

Re: [gentoo-dev] Testing is not a valid reason to package.mask

2008-10-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Thomas Sachau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alec Warner schrieb: >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:23:33 +0200 >>> Dawid Węgliński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Testing is not a valid reason to package.mask

2008-10-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:23:33 +0200 > Dawid Węgliński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't think it's ok. ~arch isn't training ground. It's supposed to >> work, so asking arch teams to keywords packages that are not suppos

Re: [gentoo-dev] Testing is not a valid reason to package.mask

2008-10-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > # Gen 2 Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (`date`) > # Masked for testing. >>=rofl-cat/omgpkg-ver > > > Please people, > > > if you want to get something tested, then don't mask it.If you find > that you cannot commit an ebui

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default src_install for EAPI-2 or following EAPI

2008-09-23 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 23 September 2008 21:39:52 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> default_src_install() { >> if [ -f Makefile -o -f GNUmakefile -o -f makefile ]; then >> if emake DESTDIR="${D} install || einstall ;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default src_install for EAPI-2 or following EAPI

2008-09-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Vaeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Long wrote: > >> Thomas Sachau wrote: [...] >> >> > [[ -n ${DOCS} ]] && dodoc ${DOCS} > [...] >> >> It might be wise to use an array for DOCS there > > Since I have now seen suggestions for using arrays unnecessarily > at le

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Christian Faulhammer wrote: >>> >>>> Zac Medico <[EMAIL PR

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23:13 Mon 08 Sep , Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:33:50 -0700 >> Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 12:46 Sun 07 Sep , Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: >> > > I personally agree with sev

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Santiago M. Mola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Most obvious failure cases these days have build logs and the build >> logs will specify what the conf

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Vaeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yes. And here another point should be brought up. This proposal should >> be wider and consider similar changes for the most common used >> operations on all phases. > > And in fact, the most common used operations on all phases

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christian Faulhammer wrote: > >> Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler >>> for ebuild writer if they don't have to customize the output file >>> name. >> >> On

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >>Currently we have a lot of: >>src_configure() { >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, >Currently we have a lot of: >src_configure() { >econf $(use_enable dvdr) \ >$(use_with ipv6 ssl) \ >--wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about stabilization requests

2008-09-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Robert R. Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some of the packages that I use are ~arch keyworded right now and I was > wanting to ask some questions about when to file stabilization requests and > about how much information needs to be provided when filling them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > David Leverton wrote: >> 2008/9/5 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler >>> for ebuild writer if they don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27-08-2008 10:28:57 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 06:35:57PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> > For that reason I'd pretty much prefer to keep the CVS Header in place, >> > unless there is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: [RFC] What features should be included in EAPI 2?

2008-08-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:03 +0100 >> Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:31:17 +0530 >>> > Arun Raghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

2008-08-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> >> On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: >>> >>> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active >>> for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jeeves IRC replacement now alive - Willikins

2008-08-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > Sorry that it's taken this long to get completed, but the Jeeves > replacement, Willikins, is finally 99% done, and ready to join lots of > channels. > > Getting the bot out there > -

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES=-userpriv and testcases that fail as root or a user

2008-08-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More than a year ago, I had my first occurrence of a package that > refused to work when run as root: dev-db/mysql. This lead to the following > block of code in the src_test block: > > if [[ $UID -eq 0 ]]; then >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jeremy Olexa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an >> ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user > > I don't think anyone will disagree with this one. The one problem that I see > is that if t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=interactive value to identify interactive packages?

2008-08-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello again, > > Please consider a new PROPERTIES=interactive setting that allows an > ebuild to indicate that it uses stdin and stdout for user > interaction sometime during

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:16:25 -0700 > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So assuming the council says we should fix all these issues (and in >> most cases I would support tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:06:11 -0700 > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-04 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote >> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev >> list to see. > > I would like to put forward the following suggestion for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] metadata.xml USE flag descriptions

2008-07-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Doug Goldstein wrote: > >> After a category is converted, it will be auto-generated EXCLUSIVELY >> from metadata.xml. > > A minor issue: use.local.desc is not sorted properly anymore. > It should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for July 24

2008-07-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17:26 Mon 21 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Here's the list of ongoing items from 2 weeks ago: >> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_bb3a3a0c1b0acb771a263294a67b722e.xml >> >> Here's the council summary fro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: Make developer profiles more difficult to select

2008-07-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reading around on the net, it amazes me how many people are using developer > profiles for their Gentoo because they think it's for software developers > and don't see that it's for Gentoo developers and not intended f

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Markus Rothe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Bridge wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 >> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify >> > '@system' during updates

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick Börjesson wrote: > >> On 2008-07-15 21:40, Tiziano Müller uttered these thoughts: >>> Marius Mauch wrote: >>> >>> > As a result of Cardoes earlier mail we talked a bit about possible >>> > solutions in #gento-porta

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/mako: ChangeLog mako-0.1.10-r1.ebuild mako-0.1.10.ebuild

2008-07-14 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:17 AM, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 03:27 Mon 14 Jul , Alec Warner (antarus) wrote: >> antarus 08/07/14 03:27:17 >> >> Modified: ChangeLog >> Added:mako-0.1.10-r1.ebuild >&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 July 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:16:23 -0700 > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As far as could be determined by the members at the meeting there no >> compelling examples in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 July 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:11:18 -0700 >> Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> GLEP 55:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 July 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:11:18 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> GLEP 55: On hold pending a concrete requirement for it. GLEP 54 may >> be, but that's unclear until it's been revised. > > Which part of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July

2008-07-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even >> > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sci-libs/scipy -> dev-python/scipy ?

2008-07-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:37 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't think it's worth losing track of the CVS history just so we >> can have something in a different place that ultimately is hardly >> usef

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags vs. categories (was: sci-libs/scipy -> dev-python/scip)

2008-07-08 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Josh Saddler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>>> >>>> I a

Re: [gentoo-dev] sci-libs/scipy -> dev-python/scipy ?

2008-07-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> I actually object to having crap in dev-python, because things should be >> categorized functionally instead of by the language they're implemented >> in. 90% of the time you don't care about the lan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

2008-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
2008/6/22 Peter Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 15:49 +0200, Alin Nstac wrote: >> Peter Volkov wrote: >> > В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет: >> > >> >> Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when >> >> some of these files is changed

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug Goldstein wrote: >> >> Doug Goldstein wrote: >>> >>> Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009

2008-06-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Alex Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/5 Ali Polatel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> I want to nominate: >> >> Fernando J. Pereda -- "ferdy" >> Bo Ørsted Andresen -- "zlin" >> > > Is there a method for objecting to a nomination, kinda like the > opposite of sec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-02 Thread Alec Warner
On 6/1/08, Richard Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ryan Hill wrote: > > > On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:41:28 +0200 > > Raúl Porcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > IMHO the packages should be keyworded if an arch team member or an > > > user of that arch requests it. Keywording something if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-01 Thread Alec Warner
On 01 Jun 2008 05:30:01, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically > the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel > (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Alec Warner
On 5/31/08, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Volkov wrote: > > > В Птн, 30/05/2008 в 20:28 -0700, Brian Harring пишет: > > > > > Either way, basically it's coming down to if gentoo wants to follow the > definition of 'academic' right, or 'pragmatic' right. Exempting ciaran, vote > se

[gentoo-dev] Again, GSOC Mentor Signup is open, please apply soon.

2008-03-23 Thread Alec Warner
I'm about to start talking to all the mentors about this years GSOC event. If you would like to be a mentor[1] please sign up[2] now. We currently have six mentors who have applied and I have only confirmed four of them. I expect to take on only (number of mentors) / 2 projects, which means only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-gfx/inkscape: ChangeLog inkscape-0.46-r1.ebuild

2008-03-16 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/16/08, Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:51:12 +0100 > Dawid Węgliński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Not if COPYING file is inside $DOCS and is installed in the loop. > > > Doing something like this would work as well (and go equally unnoticed): > > local

Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-12 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/12/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:57:29AM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > So, to sum up, if we can build a better communication way it could be > > useful for both sides. I'm going to steal robin's issue summary ;) > > - "Most of the Gentoo e

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