Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > The point I was addressing is the suggestion that the above should be > possible and the idea that any single developer is "entitled" to do so. It's a moot point, because no one (that I see) claimed or is claiming to be entitled

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-29 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29-08-2011 21:23, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 03:18 Fri 26 Aug , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this >> thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the >> idea th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 03:18 Fri 26 Aug , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread > that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that > adding an application to the Gentoo tree that collects data from users > and sends it to a c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-26 Thread Dale
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that adding an application to the Gentoo tree that collects data from users and sends it to a central (or distributed) system is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-08-2011 14:35, Alec Warner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman > wrote: >> The big issue with opt-out is privacy law - especially in Europe >> (that's leaving aside just being up-front with users). We'd end >> up having to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > We did post to -dev, hence this thread. My post was intended to be general in applicability, and not critical of the particular instance of this issue being discussed. I would generally suggest that implementing this as a package and not as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: >> It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. >> >> I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided >> that the reminder can be turned off

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: > It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. > > I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided > that the reminder can be turned off too, if the user really does not > want to opt in. Thats no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2011.08.24 11:48, Patrick Lauer wrote: [snip] > > If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get > pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland > will > meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) > > > > This app and if its opt in or opt out will se

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:03:44 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: > > > > If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get > > pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland > > will meet some rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle wrote: >> Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks >> users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. > > Well, that's up to the Council/Trustees ult

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle wrote: > Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks > users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up to the Council/Trustees ultimately, but opinions (and better still reasoning) are welcom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Mario Fetka
i am a user and i am ok with opt-out if the std data that is transferd is compleatly anonymized so no sensitive data. and if the user wants to register his/her machine pkg's more data is trasnfered thx Mario 2011/8/24 Thomas Kahle : > On 13:03 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> Am Mit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Kahle
On 13:03 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: > > > > If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get > > pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will > > meet some rather unpleasant r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Kahle
On 12:48 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > >> there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be > >> documented (and comments in the code are not enough): > >> > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get > pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will > meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) Well, we could always broadcast the news widely (lists,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: > > If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get > pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will > meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) > Of course, we could place it in some blatantl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: > Hi, > > On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be >> documented (and comments in the code are not enough): >> >> What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! >> >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Kahle
Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be > documented (and comments in the code are not enough): > > What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! > > What you need is basically an easy-to-find file /

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-23 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Hi Vikram, there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need is basically an easy-to-find file / web page / ... where this is explained concise and