(Late reply due to busy week, just want to clarify a small detail)
On Sun, May 19, 2013 16:34, Peter Stuge wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
storing lots of
On Tue, May 21, 2013 09:03, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I don't like gnu info files. Neither me nor anyone I know can figure out
how to drive info.
This reminded me of my experience with info-files. Don't know how long ago
it was that I used them as I find google to be a much more useful
resource.
On Fri, 24 May 2013, J Roeleveld wrote:
This reminded me of my experience with info-files. Don't know how
long ago it was that I used them as I find google to be a much more
useful resource.
But you might be interested in the following:
* app-text/info2html
Available versions:
On 22/05/2013 23:39, Daniel Campbell wrote:
I do not consider Gentoo to be only about my own choices, but as a user,
who else's choices am I going to consider when I administer my system?
I'm happy for any new choices as long as they don't step on mine. I
think that's fair.
Your choices are
On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:40 +0200
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and
On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:39:25 -0500
Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
I'm curious as to why you consider users who want to save disk space
(openrc or systemd, or other packages, it doesn't matter) as
fundamentalists.
I'd call them using other words but I didn't want to be that
On Thu, 23 May 2013 05:30:25 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
That's the point. It *IS* possible to use INSTALL_MASK sanely,
without something breaking.
Nobody said it isn't, I agree hacks can be used without breaking
things; the point is that that doesn't make it a good idea in
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On 05/23/2013 01:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:39:25 -0500 Daniel Campbell
dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
I'm curious as to why you consider users who want to save disk
space (openrc or systemd, or other packages, it doesn't
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 03:02:30 -0500
Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd, but
personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD, despite it
being rather large. Since
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On 05/23/2013 04:02 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd,
but personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD,
despite it being rather large. Since you brought it up, which
On Wed, 22 May 2013 03:06:05 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
And a knife or hammer can be used to murder or commit suicide as
well; that doesn't mean they're bad tools, it means the user is
misusing them.
The amount of users misusing a knife or hammer is much lower than the
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
The amount of users misusing a knife or hammer is much lower than the
amount of users misusing INSTALL_MASK.
Agreed. A typical user would almost never need to use INSTALL_MASK.
If they're using it, they're probably doing
On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include
On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:37:25 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 21 May 2013 14:50:04 +0100 as
excerpted:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
On 05/22/2013 08:21 AM, Luca Barbato wrote:
check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =) (from man make.conf)
nodoc Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc).
noinfo Do not install info pages.
noman Do not install manpages.
Adding a nounits
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/22/2013 08:21 AM, Luca Barbato wrote:
check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =) (from man make.conf)
nodoc Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc).
noinfo Do not install info
On 05/20/2013 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
On 05/20/2013 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:42:08AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote
It will require portage to be able to predict where the units are
installed, and also be able to avoid accidentally wiping out anything
else that may be installed nearby. The prediction issue also comes up in
this bug which
On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit
files (by default, with no systemd
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:03:54 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
like a hack instead of
On Mon, May 20, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit
files (by default,
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
something truly astonishing
Well, I have to at least thank you for turning this from just a
typical Gentoo flame-war into a breeding ground for LWN Quote of the
Week candidates.
Rich
On 05/20/2013 11:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com
wrote:
[snip]
That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit
files is pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot,
but that seems like a hack
On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using
it without risk of breakage.
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On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using
it without risk of breakage.
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:57:53 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack.
Sure it is. It's a hack
On 05/21/2013 10:02 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:57:53 -0400
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK
On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:37:25 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
[snip] FIRE! [snip] hacks of tools, thank you very much! =:^)
Glad you like it! Something that breaks isn't a solution though...
It's a specifically designed part of the whole gentoo support of
choice system you
On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
storing lots of
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote:
On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That
On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote:
Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares
about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that
it will only take 2MiB of storage, so please, quit complaining about this.
Practically speaking, I think
Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013, 14:59:21 schrieb Michael Mol:
On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote:
Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares
about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that
it will only take 2MiB of storage, so please,
Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013, 14:59:21 schrieb Michael Mol:
On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote:
Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who
cares
about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them
that
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
storing lots of smaller files.
I guess the number of unit files is on the order of hundreds, as long
as you haven't configured an
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
storing lots of smaller files.
I guess the number of unit files is
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
J. Roeleveld wrote:
I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of
inodes.
That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when
storing lots of smaller files.
I guess the number of unit files is
Good news.
I've been able to make logind work with OpenRC and GNOME 3.6 (which
means that GNOME 3.8 can work as well).
Disclaimer: I use systemd as device manager. I don't know if my logind
(there is a bug about it) works with udev without further hacking.
See:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:45:18PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote
No one is arguing against that. All this thread is about is making
systemd a first-class citizen, like OpenRC/Sysvinit, so it will be as
smooth as possible for someone who wants to switch between the two.
It seems that some
Am Samstag, 18. Mai 2013, 19:02:12 schrieb Walter Dnes:
[snip]
Having a package to install every systemd unit in existence just
clutters the end user's system and makes it harder to tell which
units are actually valid.
Yet openrc users are supposed to accept having their systems
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Andreas K. Huettel
dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
The decision was made long ago. Use flags are not the correct way to control
solely the installation of a few small files.
This was really the heart of the discussion where the decision was made before.
USE flags
Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares
about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that it
will only take 2MiB of storage, so please, quit complaining about this.
One thing dev's should take care is (not that affects me, 'cause I really
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 01:02:12PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:45:18PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote
No one is arguing against that. All this thread is about is making
systemd a first-class citizen, like OpenRC/Sysvinit, so it will be as
smooth as possible for
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:58:41AM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote:
William Hubbs wrote:
waltdnes wrote:
Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun
product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a
part of the core Gentoo base system? I
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the
On 01/05/13 10:11 PM, Duncan wrote as excerpted:
Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means embrace diversitiy.
If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
you're very welcome, but also people
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