[gentoo-dev] net-im/sim contains icons/sounds in source tarball with unclear licensing.

2007-03-26 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
Hello. I found the following bug in debian bugzilla: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386570 Is this an issue for gentoo? Should I repackage tarball(/convince upstream to repackage) and exclude this icons sounds from tarball? Or may be RESTRICT fetch it enough to solve the problem

[gentoo-dev] Glep Authors

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
If you are not a glep author; stop reading now. This message is to warn anyone trying to write a glep, there is a error the in the glep template. Bug 152313[1] was filed to address the issue and I fixed all the GLEPs currently in CVS (this should include all submitted GLEPs). If you want to auth

Re: [gentoo-dev] logrotate use flag local -> global

2007-03-26 Thread Michele Noberasco
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:25:08 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was read writing: > > Any issues with this? > Yes. Check every previous time this has been discussed on this list. Seen, thanks... my archives didn't span that far. Bye, Michele -- Oh, so there you are! -- gentoo-dev@gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Catalin Zamfir Alexandru
On Sunday 25 March 2007 21:46, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Saturday 24 March 2007, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > > It looks like our social contract doesn't prohibit Gentoo from being > > > dependent upon a single sponsor or corporat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Matti Bickel
Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, x11-libs/fox-1.2.6-r3 was added to the tree which fixed the > virtual/x11 and GCC 4.1 compile issues. It was marked stable on all > archs except alpha. Someone doing some cleanup accidentally removed it > from the tree instead of the broken -r2. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.20 to go stable in 1-2 weeks

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 21:57 +0200, Warwick Bruce Chapman wrote: > Will you be marking linux-headers-2.6.19 stable as well? I really think > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160381 needs some serious attention. Because of this bug, 2007.0 has dropped soem of the ATM-based support we had in

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.20 to go stable in 1-2 weeks

2007-03-26 Thread Warwick Bruce Chapman
Because of this bug, 2007.0 has dropped soem of the ATM-based support we had in 2006.1, as there comes a time when we simply can't wait for bugs to get fixed anymore if we ever plan on releasing, and we're already *way* behind the schedule that we wanted to release under. Ok, what needs done

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/sim contains icons/sounds in source tarball with unclear licensing.

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 11:57 +0400, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: > Hello. > > I found the following bug in debian bugzilla: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386570 > > Is this an issue for gentoo? Should I repackage tarball(/convince > upstream to repackage) and exclude this icons s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 11:32 +, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru wrote: > > And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > > down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) > For anyone, I can host a mirror for gentoo.org. Just contact me. It isn't mirrors that we're discussing here.

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.20 to go stable in 1-2 weeks

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:19 +0200, Warwick Bruce Chapman wrote: > > Because of this bug, 2007.0 has dropped soem of the ATM-based support we > > had in 2006.1, as there comes a time when we simply can't wait for bugs > > to get fixed anymore if we ever plan on releasing, and we're already > > *way*

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems to > take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually a little > disturbing that it does. I believe the QA team expect developers to *ask* when they

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400 > Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems to >> take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually a little >> disturbing that it does. > > I believe the QA team expect developers to *ask*

[gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
First off, this is not a discussion on why XML sucks, or why we shouldn't be using XML or anything like that. This is not a discussion about what we should be using instead of XML. This is a discussion about using XML for our webpages. Many projects have old and nasty webpages. This has been a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:52:25 -0700 (PDT) "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400 > > Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems > >> to take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Dale
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > >> And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning >> down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) >> > > Well, we're on the second floor of the data center which has a quite > large ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 08:05 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: > So this is getting pretty long winded; my basic question is do you as a > developer find writing web pages to be confusing or difficult? Is there > not a good tutorial for learning our webpage XML syntax? Do you find that > you bump up again

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread arfrever
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał: > Some breakages, like this one, There wasn't any additional breakage. Not working and not compiling package can't be broken any more. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Richard Brown
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:47:30 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think this whole idea is a moot point anyways ... go visit the > Gentoo Foundation web site and see Chapter 2 Section 5 > -mike > Gentoo is independent > Gentoo will never be reigned by a company nor be dictated by a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID -> NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-26 Thread Jim Ramsay
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > People reporting bugs often get annoyed when their bug is marked > INVALID; especially when they're relatively new to the Gentoo > Experience. We've all seen it many times, I'm sure. I know I'm coming in late on this one, but I can see how having a bug marked as INVALID wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 08:05 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: > my basic question is do you as a > developer find writing web pages to be confusing or difficult? As one who does a fair amount of web development myself. I rather like the guidexml formatted docs. Writing them is not a big deal at all. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:05:58 -0700 (PDT) "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > do you as a developer find writing web pages to be confusing or > difficult? No. > Is there not a good tutorial for learning our webpage XML syntax? For my use, I've found the available docs sufficient. > Do yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:38 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400 > Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems to > > take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually a little > > disturbing that

RE: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Bonar
-Original Message- From: Alec Warner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:06 AM To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs? my basic question is do you as a developer find writing web pages to be confusing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:39 +0100, Richard Brown wrote: > Hi vapier, thanks for pointing this out. Am I wrong to assume from your > responses in this thread to ciaranm's "hypothetical" case that the > current council have not implemented any policy at the instruction of an > external company or org

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Catalin Zamfir Alexandru
On Monday 26 March 2007 15:05, Alec Warner wrote: > First off, this is not a discussion on why XML sucks, or why we shouldn't > be using XML or anything like that. This is not a discussion about what > we should be using instead of XML. This is a discussion about using XML > for our webpages. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 March 2007, Alec Warner wrote: > Many projects have old and nasty webpages. This has been a problem within > gentoo since before I arrived and probably has been a problem since we > started having webpages. One of the issues I wish to address is whether > or not writing webpages in X

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread José Luis Rivero (yoswink)
Alec Warner escribió: So this is getting pretty long winded; my basic question is do you as a developer find writing web pages to be confusing or difficult? Is there not a good tutorial for learning our webpage XML syntax? Do you find that you bump up against restrictions in the DTD or other p

[gentoo-dev] FYI: linux.com article about the CoC

2007-03-26 Thread Thomas Rösner
Hi, for those interested, linux.com has a rather long article about the CoC, carefully worded so the email snippets sound like interview opinions :-). It seems the open source press will watch this list for some time to come, I see more articles than usual about Gentoo and the recent flamewar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 March 2007, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru wrote: > For anyone, I can host a mirror for gentoo.org. Just contact me. we're not worried about mirrors, we're worried about the core infrastructure which really cant be mirrored if you're offering to host a web node mirror though, please open

RE: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 12:01 -0500, Mike Bonar wrote: > Should we encourage more content to go into the wiki, expecially > content that is likely to change over a short period of time? Gentoo has no wiki. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Ga

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Jakub Moc
[snip] Err, where the heck has gone the GuideXML editor project that was part of last SoC? (And yeah, I've heard from quite a couple of people that they are not touching any docs because the GuideXML thing is something they'd rather avoid like plague). -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMA

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread José Luis Rivero (yoswink)
Jakub Moc escribió: [snip] Err, where the heck has gone the GuideXML editor project that was part of last SoC? Its name is 'beacon' [1] and is developed by our dev Anant Narayanan who probably can give you more info about it. [1] http://code.kix.in/projects/beacon/ -- Jose Luis Rivero <[

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Lars Weiler
* Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07/03/26 08:05 -0700]: > So this is getting pretty long winded; my basic question is do you as a > developer find writing web pages to be confusing or difficult? I'm one of the few people who like XML. Probably it's because I don't have to care for the design an

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Dawid Węgliński
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 José Luis Rivero (yoswink) napisał(a): > Alec Warner escribió: >> >> So this is getting pretty long winded; my basic question is do you as a >> developer find writing web pages to be confusing or difficult? Is there >> not a good tutorial for learning

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Anant Narayanan
> Many projects have old and nasty webpages. This has been a problem within > gentoo since before I arrived and probably has been a problem since we > started having webpages. One of the issues I wish to address is whether > or not writing webpages in XML (Guide or Project or something_else) is >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: INVALID -> NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Jakub Moc wrote: > Kevin F. Quinn napsal(a): > [snip] > > See, I don't really care how the reporter feels, if something's not a > bug, then it's not a bug. Don't invent confusing 'politically correct' > junk for this just because someone might feel 'offended'. One issue

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Suggestion: INVALID -> NOCHANGE in bugzilla

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sunday 25 March 2007, »Q« wrote: > "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Closing INVALID is like saying they never had an issue - when clearly > > they did have an issue, even if it was just an issue of understanding. > > If bugs.gentoo.org users think that it's like saying there's no

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 21:46 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: > But back to the question you started your message with: The > outdated project-pages. My opinion is, that GuideXML is not > the blocker for updating them. It's more a menpower issue. Exactly. Even projects that I am heavily involved in, do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 26 March 2007, Dale wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > >> And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > >> down or the GNi suffering flooding? :) > > > > Well, we're on the second floor of the data

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 26 March 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 08:05 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: > > my basic question is do you as a > > developer find writing web pages to be confusing or difficult? > > As one who does a fair amount of web development myself. I rather like > the gui

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project,Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 26 March 2007, Lars Weiler wrote: > There are for sure some difficulties with our DTD, > especially for our project-pages.  Adding a news-entry at > top or putting the elements in a fixed order. And that is mostly because of the nature of DTD's. As soon as you want to require items you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread Ned Ludd
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 00:22 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, Dale wrote: > > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:46 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > > >> And how exactly does this help us in the event of say the OSL burning > > >> down or the GNi sufferi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract

2007-03-26 Thread bret curtis
Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Monday 26 March 2007, Dale wrote: [snip] Actually the situation is not that hypothetical. Some years ago the datacenter of the University of Twente (The Netherlands) was set to fire by an angry systems administrator. The building housed among other infrastructure v

Gentoo infra backups (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed addition to the Social Contract)

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: > Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important > stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 actually, i wonder if this would be useful ... we set up a master backup server where we post raw svn/cvs/etc..

[gentoo-dev] /lib/rcscripts or /$(get_libdir)/rcscripts?

2007-03-26 Thread Georgi Georgiev
I just realized that there not only doesn't seem to be any consensus about what the location of /lib/rcscripts should be (as witnessed by the location where the following packages install lib64/rcscripts sys-apps/baselayout-1.13.0_alpha12 lib64/rcscripts sys-apps/gawk-3.1.5-r3 lib64/rcscrip

Re: [gentoo-dev] {Guide,Project, Foo}XML too confusing for many devs?

2007-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
Thanks for all the replies (and the offers of help, very comforting). I will no longer accept the excuse of 'I can't write GuideXML' since we have an army of volunteers to GuideXMLify stuff for us :) As such, I don't need to learn (I know enough to get by, and with this glep index I'll soon know

Re: [gentoo-dev] /lib/rcscripts or /$(get_libdir)/rcscripts?

2007-03-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 March 2007, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > I just realized that there not only doesn't seem to be any consensus > about what the location of /lib/rcscripts should be (as witnessed by > the location where the following packages install it should be /$(get_libdir)/rcscripts no one has really

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo infra backups

2007-03-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, bret curtis wrote: >> Only wimps use tape backup: *real **men* just upload their important >> stuff on *ftp*, and let the rest of the world mirror it. -- LT :1996 > > actually, i wonder if this would be useful ... we set up a master backup > server

[gentoo-dev] Re: FYI: linux.com article about the CoC

2007-03-26 Thread Duncan
Thomas Rösner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:42:40 +0200: > for those interested, linux.com has a rather long article about the CoC, > carefully worded so the email snippets sound like interview opinions > :-). It seems the open source press

Re: [gentoo-dev] ANN: PMS public release

2007-03-26 Thread Rémi Cardona
Stephen Bennett wrote: > The first public draft of PMS is open for comment. The PDF is at > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/pms.pdf, and will be updated periodically > as changes are made. Anonymous SVN access to the LaTeX source is > available; I won't give the URL here since most won't need it and I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] /lib/rcscripts or /$(get_libdir)/rcscripts?

2007-03-26 Thread Roy Marples
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:49:52 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 26 March 2007, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > > I just realized that there not only doesn't seem to be any consensus > > about what the location of /lib/rcscripts should be (as witnessed by > > the location where th