On 2013-03-24, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
# Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org (22 Mar 2013)
# Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
# Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
# Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer
# Removal in a month
130324 Ben de Groot wrote:
On 24 March 2013 09:17, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Seriously. SystemRescueCD is more or less exactly what we would need.
I must confess, I have not used the official Gentoo ISOs in ages.
I use the SystemRescueCD from a USB stick all
On 24/03/13 06:30, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 24 March 2013 09:17, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Am Samstag, 23. März 2013, 21:40:16 schrieb Markos Chandras:
Why not officially recommend SystemRescueCD instead?
Looks really bad to recommend another installation
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 04:11:14PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote
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On 03/23/2013 02:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El sáb, 23-03-2013 a las 14:40 -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
escribió:
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote:
+multibuild_merge_root() {
+ [...]
+ if type -P lockf /dev/null; then
+ # On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper.
+ tar -C ${src} -f - -c . \
+ | lockf ${lockfile} tar -x -f - -C ${dest}
+ else
+ [...]
+
Samuli Suominen posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:32:22 +0200 as excerpted:
imho we should contact the sysrescuecd developers and suggest more close
cooperation, such that it could be called official install media in
gentoo-terms
I've wondered for years why gentoo invests all that effort into
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:13:07 -0400
James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote:
MC == Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org writes:
MC The package is going away unless someone fixes the bugs and
MC properly maintains the package
Again, that is an irresponsible mistake. It is better to just leave
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:40 PM, James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote:
RF == Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org writes:
RF Is this package working in the typical case? That is, when you aren't
RF intentionally trying to buffer-overflow it or otherwise break it?
I haven't found an image file which
On 22/03/13 10:23, Samuli Suominen wrote:
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The patch is committed since nobody objected
On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
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# Markos Chandras
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
I've wondered for years why gentoo invests all that effort into creating
its own install media, when there's many dedicated projects out there
whose whole purpose is live install/rescue media.
Tend to agree. I'd focus more on
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:47:41 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote:
+multibuild_merge_root() {
+ [...]
+if type -P lockf /dev/null; then
+# On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper.
+tar -C ${src} -f -
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On 03/24/2013 09:15 AM, Róbert Čerňanský wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:13:07 -0400 James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com
wrote:
MC == Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org writes:
MC The package is going away unless someone fixes the bugs and
MC
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
So per https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462366#c4, the package
now has a new maintainer so it will not be removed.
See? This is what I call a good solution instead of going around and
constantly saying Ohhh bad
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Making an install ISO is as pointless as writing a CMS for
Gentoo.org... Gentoo should only bother if it is really necessary.
ZSH-related bugs fixed ? Link SystemRescueCD : Link something else
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alexan...@plaimi.net
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On 03/24/2013 11:22 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
Markos - I'm not sure what can be done to try to better flush out
user interest in taking care of packages that are on the verge of
death. I'd suggest announcing pending removals before masking them,
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
The process for rescuing a package is documented here[1] and
it takes about 15'' of google searching to find it.
I think that something a bit more elaborate with links to the relevant
pages (proxy-maint, etc) that is
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On 03/24/2013 12:18 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
The process for rescuing a package is documented here[1] and it
takes about 15'' of google searching to find it.
I think
On 24/03/13 12:01, Markos Chandras wrote:
On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/03/13 01:15,
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do note thought
that this is not the only way for a package to be rescued (assuming it
can be rescued). Providing fixes without becoming the maintainer is
also a
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:40:37 -0400
James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote:
RF == Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org writes:
RF Is this package working in the typical case? That is, when you aren't
RF intentionally trying to buffer-overflow it or otherwise break it?
I haven't found an image file
Nuno Silva wrote:
mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
significantly better.
A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari.
I'm also curious if there are more known bugs than those noted in the
mask. I
Alec Warner wrote:
MC The package is going away unless someone fixes the bugs and
MC properly maintains the package
Again, that is an irresponsible mistake. It is better to just leave it
as is than to kick it. Dropping important packages can only harm the
community and is never
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
I find the become-a-dev threshold significant so yes, something stops it..
So, my personal feeling is that /some/ packages get pulled a little
earlier than strictly necessary. However, the fact is that when a
package gets
Markos Chandras wrote:
The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that
decision.
You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological
impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say,
having an actually inclusive package removal process.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote:
+multibuild_merge_root() {
+ [...]
+ if type -P lockf /dev/null; then
+ # On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper.
+ tar -C ${src} -f - -c . \
+ | lockf ${lockfile} tar -x -f - -C ${dest}
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological
impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say,
having an actually inclusive package removal process.
I was going to post something along these
Rich Freeman wrote:
something is bound to break for good sooner or later if things don't change.
Certainly.
But consider the chain of events:
* user is happily using outdated, but working, software without
knowing how behind the times upstream really is, because it works
* gentoo masks and
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator
for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed
ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the order of six
months before the package goes
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:40:58 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote:
+multibuild_merge_root() {
+ [...]
+ if type -P lockf /dev/null; then
+ # On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper.
+ tar -C ${src} -f - -c
On 24/03/2013 15:40, Peter Stuge wrote:
Markos Chandras wrote:
The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that
decision.
You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological
impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say,
having an
Rich Freeman wrote:
A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator
for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed
ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the order of six
months before the package goes red, at which point it would be fine
to
On Sun, 2013-03-24 at 14:22 +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
Nuno Silva wrote:
mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
significantly better.
A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari.
I'm also curious
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On 03/24/2013 12:36 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 24/03/13 12:01, Markos Chandras wrote:
On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com
mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 24 March
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On 03/24/2013 01:22 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Nuno Silva wrote:
mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
significantly better.
A lot like saying that Fiat is an
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On 03/24/2013 12:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do note
thought that this is not the only way for a package to be
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Masking already accomplishes everything you propose, which is to
communicate there is something wrong with this package and it is in
danger of leaving the tree. To get it out of this state, you need to
take action.
I disagree strongly that this is what masking
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On 03/24/2013 01:52 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Users who want to fix the problem need to get involved upstream,
there is no disagreement about that, but users who have already
gotten a package masked by the powers that be are vastly less
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On 03/24/2013 09:22 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Nuno Silva wrote:
mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story.
mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels
significantly better.
A lot like saying that Fiat is an
Am Sonntag, 24. März 2013, 10:05:54 schrieb Duncan:
Thus definitely ++.
The one big concern I have is that in our approach to the srcd folks we
make clear we're *NOT* attempting to take over their project. That's the
sensitivity I see with the co-branded idea. I'd actually prefer that we
Am Sonntag, 24. März 2013, 11:04:11 schrieb Rich Freeman:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
For an educational experience unpack a stage3 in a chroot and try to
emerge kde or gnome. Then try it again two weeks later. This is what
our new users experience.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:26:38 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
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gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 82
+++ 1 file changed, 82 insertions(+)
diff --git a/gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass
b/gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass index
Markos Chandras wrote:
You keep complaining about everything
I keep complaining about things that I think can be improved, while
I don't generally praise things that I think are already good enough.
There are so many problems to fix that I basically feel that time is
better spent on problems
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
We (as the kde team) are modifying the profiles/targets/desktop/kde settings
so if you pick a kde profile you can immediately emerge kde without further
fiddling with useflags.
That will be ideal, but I was more
Markos Chandras wrote:
A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator
for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed
ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the order of six
months before the package goes red, at which point it would be
fine
On 24 March 2013 15:15, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
I will be more than happy to commit all the fixes on your behalf.
It would be super cool if you did this for other bugs that I have
provided solutions for. The xfig one was resolved a while ago, but
I think there might still be some
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:52 +0100
Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:26:38 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
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gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 82
+++ 1 file changed, 82 insertions(+)
diff --git
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:40:17 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do note thought
that this is not the only way for a package to be rescued (assuming
it
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On 24/03/13 11:19 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Markos Chandras wrote:
A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health
indicator for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of
our installed ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.netwrote:
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Making an install ISO is as pointless as writing a CMS for
Gentoo.org... Gentoo should only bother if it is really necessary.
ZSH-related bugs fixed ? Link
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On 24/03/13 20:32, Ben Kohler wrote:
I really feel like we should still have an official minimal iso
Feelings do not matter.
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alexan...@plaimi.net
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:41:15 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:52 +0100
Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:26:38 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
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gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 82
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.netwrote:
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On 24/03/13 20:32, Ben Kohler wrote:
I really feel like we should still have an official minimal iso
Feelings do not matter.
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As a very active
On 03/24/2013 07:13 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
Oh, I didn't reply to use of userland. I thought about using that but
that would mean that I'd have to check all the userlands we support.
BSD and GNU should be the only relevant USERLAND values (no others are
listed in profiles/desc/userland.desc).
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
discussion again?
Can't this be restated as Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
could have bugs in the future?? Tree cleaning packages over
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.netwrote:
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On 24/03/13 20:32, Ben Kohler wrote:
I really feel like we should still have an official minimal iso
Feelings do not matter.
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Just to add a bit
On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
discussion again?
Can't this be restated as Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it
could have bugs in the
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On 24/03/13 21:17, Ben Kohler wrote:
I strongly believe it's important that we have an official install
medium [that] the official installation handbook is based [on].
I agree. Let's make it SystemRescueCd.
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alexan...@plaimi.net
On Mar 24, 2013 8:25 PM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org
wrote:
And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
discussion again?
Can't this be restated as Shouldn't we tree clean it now since
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 09:55:05PM +0100, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
On 24/03/13 21:17, Ben Kohler wrote:
I strongly believe it's important that we have an official install
medium [that] the official installation handbook is based [on].
I agree. Let's make it SystemRescueCd.
This is not my
On Mar 24, 2013 8:51 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org
wrote:
And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same
discussion again?
Can't this be
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
The number of open bugs doesn't really matter, it's what those bugs
are that matters -- security bugs, sure, are of a higher priority and
can be fairly easily detected in bugzilla.
Well, our current treecleaner policy
On 03/24/2013 09:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Markos Chandras wrote:
The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that
decision.
You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological
impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say,
having an
On 03/17/2013 08:19 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
The hardened team has been working on getting PaX markings moved to
Extended Attributes rather then putting them in a program header of
the ELF binaries [1]. The motivation here is that this is a generally
safer way of doing PaX
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed
from the tree, for the week ending 2013-03-24 23h59 UTC.
Removals:
net-misc/netcfg 2013-03-20 00:19:50 floppym
x11-misc/mkxf86config 2013-03-22 10:31:11 ssuominen
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 03/24/2013 09:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Markos Chandras wrote:
The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that
decision.
You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological
impact
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote:
Today I tried to boot latest install ISO (from January) and hit this
bug:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455924
This breaks a lot of hardware requiring firmwares (like some wireless
drivers)
Could a new ISO set be released?
I'm working on it.
Rich Freeman posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:26:03 -0400 as excerpted:
Packages without bugs are packages that nobody has bothered to test...
:)
LWN distro page QotW material. =:^)
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Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
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# Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org (22 Mar 2013)
# Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289)
# Problems with the alsa patches (#403389)
# Herd has not interest in it and
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