Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-15 Thread Joe Peterson
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 15:35 Mon 01 Dec , Joe Peterson wrote: However, what I see as perhaps a missing piece is more conceptual: the important connection between the valuable info in the emerge logs (and their somewhat transient default nature) and what a user looks for when he/she has

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 15:35 Mon 01 Dec , Joe Peterson wrote: However, what I see as perhaps a missing piece is more conceptual: the important connection between the valuable info in the emerge logs (and their somewhat transient default nature) and what a user looks for when he/she has a problem with a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Summarizing from what I've read in this thread it seems you want to find a way to help user find information s/he doesn't look for. If users aren't curious about their system they will sure have a hard time figuring out how to fix it if needs be. PORTAGE_ELOG_* isn't really that hard to find in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Joe Peterson
Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: As others have said, there are already proper systems, documentation and linking through other docs. Not finding this is what I'd call lazyness or lack of google foo. Don't misunderstand me, some stuff can get ouf of the radar of everyone, it's ok, real people are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:35:32 -0700 Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My intention with the RFC was to see if the concept has any worth and to kick it around a bit. I do not really see this as a deficiency in Gentoo's technology (which I have a feeling is how many here have interpreted

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:25:51 -0700 Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line here is that there is extremely valuable and critical info in our emerge output. In a way, these messages are like Gentoo-specific READMEs (or release notes and/or install instructions). However, it is not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Joe Peterson
Marius Mauch wrote: By default, messages generated by elog, ewarn and eerror are recorded in /var/log/portage/elog/summary.log (emerge.log is just a transaction log, so best to ignore it here). einfo isn't recorded on purpose as it isn't intended for important information (that's the purpose

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Volkov
Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap4 Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by mail :) HTH, -- Peter. В Вск, 30/11/2008 в 09:25 -0700, Joe Peterson пишет: Bottom line

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Joe Peterson
Peter Volkov wrote: Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap4 Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by mail :) This is all cool, indeed! :) I suspect, however, that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Joe Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Volkov wrote: Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap4 Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Dale
Joe Peterson wrote: Peter Volkov wrote: Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap4 Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by mail :) This is all cool, indeed!

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Ben de Groot
Joe Peterson wrote: Peter Volkov wrote: Seems that we already have everything you dreamed about: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap4 Take a look at PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM. It even can send that messages by mail :) This is all cool, indeed! :) I