Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 23.06.2011 00:58, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:16:30 +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: This new behavior is bad, but not as bad as Windows. This is Gentoo after all and not Ubuntu ;-P :-) In what way is it bad? It is bad because a) it is new, and new stuff is always

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/machine-id ???

2011-06-23 Thread justin
On 6/23/11 7:54 AM, Mick wrote: On Thursday 23 Jun 2011 03:49:57 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I found a file /etc/machine-id on my linux box. I did a qfile for this and nothing was found. What purpose is that file and can I delete it without problems? I'd be interested to find out too.

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/machine-id ???

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 23 June 2011 04:49:57 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I found a file /etc/machine-id on my linux box. I did a qfile for this and nothing was found. What purpose is that file and can I delete it without problems? Best regards, mcc I don't have that file on any of my

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 23 June 2011 08:16:33 Pandu Poluan wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance From: Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org Date: 2011-06-23 07:11 I have a program that I use to create Gentoo VM appliances. I have no idea if it

Re: [gentoo-user] Password protection without apache2?

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 16:59:50 Grant wrote: I'd like to password protect the motion webcam stream at my.external.ip.address:port. Do I need to run apache2 in order to do that? It seems like overkill but I don't think motion has password protection built-in. It's been a while since I've

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:02:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: But all this was mild compared to what I did yesterday. You know that notice on the console when you get sudo wrong? It says the incident will be reported OK. But to whom? On my shell boxes it gets reported to me. And yesterday this is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:03:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So why are you installing it, and all its dependencies, on the one hand, and complaining about bloat on the other? Surely installing stuff you don't need is the very definition of bloat. But it installed stuff either way. Instread of ABD, I

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/machine-id ???

2011-06-23 Thread Philip Webb
110623 justin wrote: On Thursday 23 Jun 2011 03:49:57 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: I found a file /etc/machine-id on my linux box. I did a qfile for this and nothing was found. What purpose is that file and can I delete it without problems? dbus is creating this file during installation.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:03:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So why are you installing it, and all its dependencies, on the one hand, and complaining about bloat on the other? Surely installing stuff you don't need is the very definition of bloat. But it installed

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:02:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: But all this was mild compared to what I did yesterday. You know that notice on the console when you get sudo wrong? It says the incident will be reported OK. But to whom? On my shell boxes it gets reported to

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thursday, June 23 at 09:54 (+0200), Joost Roeleveld said: Any such program to build XenServer appliances (.xva) ? Shouldn't it work similarly? Eg. start an appliance and install using the stage4? I use Xen directly and as long as I can create and fill the partitions for the VM,

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thursday, June 23 at 00:35 (-0400), Matthew Finkel said: Oh, don't get me wrong, that's one reason I use qcow2 myself, but it's either something he would have to deal with when he received it or the conversion would increase the size of the disk image that would be shipped to him. Yes,

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2011/6/22 Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de: Am 22.06.2011 17:31, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 15:44:40 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:41:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: It is unset here (well, it's not set, actually - same thing)

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 23 June 2011 05:53:15 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:02:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: But all this was mild compared to what I did yesterday. You know that notice on the console when you get sudo wrong? It says the incident will be reported OK.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 23 June 2011 07:18:38 Albert Hopkins wrote: On Thursday, June 23 at 09:54 (+0200), Joost Roeleveld said: Any such program to build XenServer appliances (.xva) ? Shouldn't it work similarly? Eg. start an appliance and install using the stage4? I use Xen directly and as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:49:45 -0500, Dale wrote: My question was why are you installing cantor if you don't need it? Oh, I see. It was pulled in by kde-meta. I know I can have KDE other ways but it is much easier to emerge kde-meta than to emerge some huge amount of packages . If you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [110622 17:40]: Todd Goodman wrote: * Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com [110622 14:45]: When I did that, it complained that cantor was built with no backend. Did you get the same thing? It said this here: WARN (postinst) You have decided to build cantor

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com [110622 18:35]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote: SNIP No actually blas-reference fails to build unless gcc is built with the fortran use flag enabled (since there's no fortran compiler available.) The deps

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's the only way I would get on a plane. You haven't lived

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Todd Goodman
* Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [110622 20:37]: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:55:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Helicopters are reserved for those with a death wish Unless the helicopter is an air ambulance, not that what I was doing to require an air ambulance in the first place was

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote: * Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com [110622 18:35]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote: SNIP No actually blas-reference fails to build unless gcc is built with the fortran use flag

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Indi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:06:09AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: * Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that if they see me on a plane, close the lid on my coffin. That's

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thursday, June 23 at 13:45 (+0200), Joost Roeleveld said: Yes the stage4 should work similarly. However Pandu was asking about building .xva which I know nothing about, unless an .xva is similar to/same as a stage4 (I have no idea)? .xva is a format specifically for Citrix Xen.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 18:18, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Thursday, June 23 at 09:54 (+0200), Joost Roeleveld said: Any such program to build XenServer appliances (.xva) ? Shouldn't it work similarly? Eg. start an appliance and install using the stage4? I use

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 20:12, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Thursday, June 23 at 13:45 (+0200), Joost Roeleveld said: Yes the stage4 should work similarly.  However Pandu was asking about building .xva which I know nothing about, unless an .xva is similar to/same as

[gentoo-user] Re: Zebra 2844 thermal printer requires driver change when upgrading cups

2011-06-23 Thread walt
On 06/22/2011 09:40 AM, Grant wrote: I just upgraded to cups-1.4.6-r2 and my Zebra 2844 thermal label printer wouldn't work until I modified the printer in the CUPS admin interface and chose from the latest set of drivers offered for that printer. I've been bitten by the same problem with a

[gentoo-user] nvidia-settings over ssh sees my local GPU?

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, BACKGROUND ONLY: I've got a futures trading partner who is attempting to give up Windows if he can. I've helped him install Gentoo on his new machine. The box is up and running and so far very productive for him. We're struggling a bit with getting his three monitor setup working like it

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-settings over ssh sees my local GPU?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:54:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: My question is about running nvidia-settings. I'm finding that if I shell into his machine using ssh -X -Y -C IP-address and run nvidia-settings I get it displayed here, as it should be. The problem is it is seeing my GTX 465 and

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Matthew Finkel
On 06/23/11 07:15, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Thursday, June 23 at 00:35 (-0400), Matthew Finkel said: Oh, don't get me wrong, that's one reason I use qcow2 myself, but it's either something he would have to deal with when he received it or the conversion would increase the size of the disk

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday 23 June 2011 09:12:15 Albert Hopkins wrote: On Thursday, June 23 at 13:45 (+0200), Joost Roeleveld said: Yes the stage4 should work similarly. However Pandu was asking about building .xva which I know nothing about, unless an .xva is similar to/same as a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT virtual stuff] gentoo vm appliance

2011-06-23 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thursday, June 23 at 12:32 (-0400), Matthew Finkel said: On 06/23/11 07:15, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Thursday, June 23 at 00:35 (-0400), Matthew Finkel said: Oh, don't get me wrong, that's one reason I use qcow2 myself, but it's either something he would have to deal with when he

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread pk
On 2011-06-22 19:36, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It's a programming language. You know, C, C++, stuff like that. Except that it's a zombie-relict from the 1950's that refuses to die because people still programming in it are too lazy to learn a proper, more modern language :-P It refuses to

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-settings over ssh sees my local GPU?

2011-06-23 Thread YoYo Siska
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 05:21:07PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:54:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: My question is about running nvidia-settings. I'm finding that if I shell into his machine using ssh -X -Y -C IP-address and run nvidia-settings I get it

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:23:58 +0200, pk wrote: It refuses to die because it's still very useful in certain niche areas (hpc, numerical computing etc.) where modern languages doesn't cut it... :-) Or so the Fortran programmers with jobs to protect will tell you... You'll be telling us there's

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-settings over ssh sees my local GPU?

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM, YoYo Siska y...@gl.ksp.sk wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 05:21:07PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:54:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:    My question is about running nvidia-settings. I'm finding that if I shell into his machine using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: * Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk [110622 20:37]: It seemed ironic that a recent training helicopter crash near here resulted in the survivor being taken off in an air ambulance helicopter. Though most of those I know of are twin engine turbines so chances are good

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:49:45 -0500, Dale wrote: My question was why are you installing cantor if you don't need it? Oh, I see. It was pulled in by kde-meta. I know I can have KDE other ways but it is much easier to emerge kde-meta than to emerge some

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Indi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 02:10:34PM -0500, Dale wrote: I saw a guy on a TV interview once. He said the only way a helicopter can fly is by brute force. A airplane wants to fly but a helicopter just wants to crash. He said that can be proven by taking your hands off the controls. Down

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 08:59:53 Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 23.06.2011 00:58, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:16:30 +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote: This new behavior is bad, but not as bad as Windows. This is Gentoo after all and not Ubuntu ;-P :-) In what way

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 13:31:10 Daniel Pielmeier did opine thusly: 2011/6/22 Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de: Am 22.06.2011 17:31, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 15:44:40 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:41:57 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 19:16:08 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:23:58 +0200, pk wrote: It refuses to die because it's still very useful in certain niche areas (hpc, numerical computing etc.) where modern languages doesn't cut it... :-) Or so the Fortran

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 13:09:53 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:49:45 -0500, Dale wrote: My question was why are you installing cantor if you don't need it? Oh, I see. It was pulled in by kde-meta. I know I can have KDE other ways but it is much easier to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 09:09:17 Indi did opine thusly: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:06:09AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: * Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com [110622 18:59]: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Then again, I don't fly either. I have told people that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 01:12:55 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:55:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Helicopters are reserved for those with a death wish Unless the helicopter is an air ambulance, not that what I was doing to require an air ambulance in the first place

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 10:22:47 Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:02:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: But all this was mild compared to what I did yesterday. You know that notice on the console when you get sudo wrong? It says the incident will be reported OK. But

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Robin Atwood
On Thursday 23 Jun 2011, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 19:16:08 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:23:58 +0200, pk wrote: It refuses to die because it's still very useful in certain niche areas (hpc, numerical computing etc.) where modern languages

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Yohan Pereira
On Thursday 23 Jun 2011 08:59:53 Sebastian Beßler wrote: d) it is an automation, and because of that a red flag for any real gentoo user isnt portage itself a huge amount of automation? :P -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer

Re: [gentoo-user] kdepim-4.6.0 woes

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 13:36:11 Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 June 2011 05:53:15 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:02:39 Alan McKinnon wrote: But all this was mild compared to what I did yesterday. You know that notice on the console

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 21:04:45 Robin Atwood did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 Jun 2011, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 19:16:08 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:23:58 +0200, pk wrote: It refuses to die because it's still very useful in certain

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:45:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you consider spending a couple of days farting around with fortran to be much easier... :P I use sets for this. I want KDE but not all of it, so I have a set with just the -meta packages I want: I do similar, except I'm even

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 21:35:21 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:45:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you consider spending a couple of days farting around with fortran to be much easier... :P I use sets for this. I want KDE but not all of it, so I have a

[gentoo-user] Fbsplash

2011-06-23 Thread John
Since upgrading my kernel to .39 my beloved splash screen has stopped working. I have followed guidelines in wiki that someone has very kindly written. Reverting back to older kernel the splash screen works as expected. I've tried this on 2 machines. I have seen somewhere that a patch is added to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 18:46:55 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:54:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Use a directory for package.use, it makes it far easier to manage. All of /etc/portage/package.* are directories here. I have done that for package.keywords and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN world and the only thing that would be remerged because of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/23/2011 1:04 AM, Dale wrote: Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/22/2011 2:35 PM, Dale wrote: You have decided to build cantor with no backend. To have this application functional, please do one of below: # emerge -va1 '='kde-base/cantor-4.6.4 with 'R' USE flag enabled # emerge -vaDu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed as ultralights and do not need a pilot's license. But there's an obscure clause in the rules that states ultralights cannot be flown within 50m of a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 18:23:58 pk wrote: On 2011-06-22 19:36, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It's a programming language. You know, C, C++, stuff like that. Except that it's a zombie-relict from the 1950's that refuses to die because people still programming in it are too lazy to learn a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:06:28 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I do similar, except I'm even more of a control freak than you, so my kde4 set contains onl;y a couple of meta-packages, the rest it individual packages. % wc -l /etc/portage/sets/kde4 83 /etc/portage/sets/kde4 Sad, I know

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: So is giving the files sensible names :) That was what I liked about autounmask, the tree version not the portage one. It gave them some names at least. Still felt like looking for a needle in a haystack sometimes tho.

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:38:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 08:59:53 Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: b) it breaks the way portage displays his informations. Without autounmask the display of emerge shows what he is going to do. With autounmask it shows what needs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 23:34:17 Mike Edenfield wrote: Odds are one of your 1.5quadrillion USE flags is pulling in FORTRAN when you don't even need it. It may not be. I have only four USE flags in make.conf, and still I have the same fortran requirement as Dale. -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN world and the only thing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 14:25:21 Indi wrote: IMO the USE line in make.conf really should only contain the universal stuff you can't live without, specifying everything else on a per package basis is what makes it possible to run a system which is at once full-featured and lean. My method

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 16:50:10 Dale wrote: If you use KDE like me, be prepared to put the thing back tho. Some KDE packages depend on things that seem to need it enabled. Looks like it's only packages that are pulled in by kdeedu-meta. Do you need all those? -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/23/2011 1:04 AM, Dale wrote: Mike Edenfield wrote: On 6/22/2011 2:35 PM, Dale wrote: You have decided to build cantor with no backend. To have this application functional, please do one of below: # emerge -va1 '='kde-base/cantor-4.6.4

Re: [gentoo-user] Fbsplash

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
John wrote: Since upgrading my kernel to .39 my beloved splash screen has stopped working. I have followed guidelines in wiki that someone has very kindly written. Reverting back to older kernel the splash screen works as expected. I've tried this on 2 machines. I have seen somewhere that a

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 22 June 2011 23:35:37 Dale wrote: Maybe we have something different then. I don't have blas-reference on here anymore either. My point was, disabling fortran to remove it only lead to other stuff being required. I think there is more on here now than there was before. So,

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/machine-id ???

2011-06-23 Thread meino . cramer
Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org [11-06-23 17:52]: On Thursday 23 June 2011 04:49:57 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I found a file /etc/machine-id on my linux box. I did a qfile for this and nothing was found. What purpose is that file and can I delete it without problems?

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:06:00 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: b) it breaks the way portage displays his informations. Without autounmask the display of emerge shows what he is going to do. With autounmask it shows what needs to be done. That is probably the most evil of

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 16:50:10 Dale wrote: If you use KDE like me, be prepared to put the thing back tho. Some KDE packages depend on things that seem to need it enabled. Looks like it's only packages that are pulled in by kdeedu-meta. Do you need all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:47:54 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed as ultralights and do not need a pilot's license. But there's an obscure clause in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Fbsplash

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 17:28:15 Dale did opine thusly: John wrote: Since upgrading my kernel to .39 my beloved splash screen has stopped working. I have followed guidelines in wiki that someone has very kindly written. Reverting back to older kernel the splash screen works as expected.

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:30:04 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 23:35:37 Dale wrote: Maybe we have something different then. I don't have blas-reference on here anymore either. My point was, disabling fortran to remove it only lead to other stuff being

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/23/2011 6:22 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 16:50:10 Dale wrote: If you use KDE like me, be prepared to put the thing back tho. Some KDE packages depend on things that seem to need it enabled. Looks like it's only packages that are pulled in by kdeedu-meta. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 6/23/2011 6:31 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:06:00 Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: b) it breaks the way portage displays his informations. Without autounmask the display of emerge shows what he is going to do. With autounmask it shows what needs to be done. That

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I install with kde-meta.  It pulls about all things KDE in with that.  For me, it is better to use kde-meta than to do it any other way.  Even with kde-meta, I think there is a few that I still had to emerge manually.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fbsplash

2011-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I wonder what 3.0 will be like Newer... ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Fbsplash

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I wonder what 3.0 will be like Newer... ;-) Newer problems right? :-P Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:57:16 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:27:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: So is giving the files sensible names :) That was what I liked about autounmask, the tree version not the portage one. It gave them some names at least. Still felt like

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 23:35:37 Dale wrote: Maybe we have something different then. I don't have blas-reference on here anymore either. My point was, disabling fortran to remove it only lead to other stuff being required. I think there is more on here now than

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:41:04 Alan McKinnon wrote: I could just two birds one stone: http://www.hover-bike.com/ Hmm. I'd like to see one more figure: dBA! -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:48:11 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:30:04 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 23:35:37 Dale wrote: Maybe we have something different then. I don't have blas-reference on here anymore either. My point was, disabling

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 07:16:08PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:23:58 +0200, pk wrote: It refuses to die because it's still very useful in certain niche areas (hpc, numerical computing etc.) where modern languages doesn't cut it... :-) Or so the Fortran programmers

[gentoo-user] [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity

2011-06-23 Thread walt
I've been reading the monthly security bulletin from sans.org for several years. During that time I've noticed some recurring themes, including multiple appearances from Adobe products like Flash. Another recurring theme is ftp servers (of which there are dozens) like this month's report:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:13:46AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.keywords. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.mask. No non-matching entries in /etc/portage/package.unmask.

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:56:19 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: I thought the old behavior was portage would tell me why it's not going to do anything, vs. the new behavior of portage will tell me why it's not going to do anything, plus offer to fix it for me. Not quite. The old behaviour was that

Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:31:38 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Because the behaviour changed to something that is the exact opposite without any warning. Portage always used to tell what it will do. Now, simply by leaving the relevant options at the default, it tells me what it should do. How

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:01:30 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: 1) what's the difference between package.keywords and package.accept_keywords? The latter is the new name for the former. -- Neil Bothwick Last words of a Windows user: = Why does that work now? signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Dale wrote Todd Goodman wrote: My solution is to force -R in make.conf Let me make a note of that, in make.conf of course. ;-) Years ago, I changed to starting my USE line with -* and adding what I needed, either in /etc/make.conf or in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:18:48 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: My method is to put a USE flag into make.conf if it's described in use.desc; otherwise it goes into package.use if it's in use.local.desc. I use that as a general rule too, although there is the situation where a flag moves from local

Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:54:14 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optional (USE=-R) that falls squarely into the if you aren't sure if you need it then you probably don't category. So for most users, no, you don't need to build gcc with

[gentoo-user] about the minimal install isos

2011-06-23 Thread Harry Putnam
I just happened to run into a situation where rsync would have been really handy to have on board while booting a minimal install iso. I was surprised to find rsync was not amongst the onboard tools. Isn't rsync a pretty basic tool to be missing from a bootable install disc? I realize I can

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity

2011-06-23 Thread Harry Putnam
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: I've been reading the monthly security bulletin from sans.org for several years. During that time I've noticed some recurring themes, including multiple appearances from Adobe products like Flash. Another recurring theme is ftp servers (of which there are

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity

2011-06-23 Thread Matthew Finkel
On 06/23/11 19:54, walt wrote: I've been reading the monthly security bulletin from sans.org for several years. During that time I've noticed some recurring themes, including multiple appearances from Adobe products like Flash. Another recurring theme is ftp servers (of which there are

[gentoo-user] MP3 device not automatically detected by KDE

2011-06-23 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi This device is a 2GB USB MP3 player, and is detected by the kernel as having no partition; it is VFAT formated, it is not automatically detected by KDE, but mounting it (in root account) is straightforward; I've copied a bunch of mp3 files to it and the device plays them normally. Where would

[gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?

2011-06-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN