Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-04 Thread Bruno Cartusia
And FFS, who cares if someone on the internet is wrong? Regards, steveL. So I would definitely second that opinion of yours :-) . http://www.jokes-db.com/funny-pictures/computers-and-internet-and-gadgets/special_olympics.html I am not sure if anyone has seem this classic gem. Arguing on

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 08:34:11PM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: Again you're wilfully misinterpreting what I've said, and answering a completely different point. You didn't know the basics of how to go about approaching Gentoo. Stuff that practically every user knows, or can find out

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-03 Thread pk
On 2013-08-03 14:28, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 08:34:11PM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: While I (and others BTW) was trying to provide an external POV with points to make outside contributions and rectruitement more efficient, you guys @gentoo.org turned this thread into

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-03 Thread hasufell
On 08/03/2013 02:28 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: you guys @gentoo.org turned this thread into plain bullshits. I have a lot of patience, but that does not help us and definitely not your case either. Please stop. People who are _really_ interested in contributing are welcome to contact me

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 03:20:27PM +0200, pk wrote: On 2013-08-03 14:28, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 08:34:11PM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: While I (and others BTW) was trying to provide an external POV with points to make outside contributions and rectruitement more

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-03 Thread Steven J. Long
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: Again you're wilfully misinterpreting what I've said, and answering a completely different point. You didn't know the basics of how to go about approaching Gentoo. While I (and others BTW) My point is simply this: there is a world of

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 01/08/13, hasufell wrote: Let's not make this yet another git migration discussion. Sufficient to say, that it is not trivial to implement in Gentoo since we have to migrate history, tools (not just end-user tools, this is also about infra) and a lot of other stuff without breaking

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Steven J. Long
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: hasufell wrote: You can use the command line too. www-client/pybugz I know this tool. I did try it. At that time it was buggy and did not work for me. Though, this would still be a busy process as this is just another interface og the bugzilla thing. It's

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 02/08/13, Steven J. Long wrote: Again, I proposed myself to the dev list two times in the past. Nobody cared and I had no answers. Because that has never been the process: anyone can post to the mailing-list, it doesn't mean anything. While I agree it would have been good if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread hasufell
On 08/02/2013 01:16 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: And if you cba to review the basics, stuff most users know, or can find out easily, what makes you think you're cut out to be a developer? Please note I'm not discussing any technical ability you may or may not have with bash, ebuilds or

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 01:58:35PM +0200, hasufell wrote: So we are pretty open to new contributors. Nice conclusion! -- Nicolas Sebrecht

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread Steven J. Long
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: Again, I proposed myself to the dev list two times in the past. Nobody cared and I had no answers. Because that has never been the process: anyone can post to the mailing-list, it doesn't mean anything. While I agree it would have been

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread hasufell
On 08/02/2013 07:36 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 01:58:35PM +0200, hasufell wrote: So we are pretty open to new contributors. Nice conclusion! Yes. We offer manys way to collaborate and the only real requirement is that people are able to read documentation and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-02 Thread mehdi chemloul
Le 2 août 2013 13:59, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org a écrit : On 08/02/2013 01:16 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: And if you cba to review the basics, stuff most users know, or can find out easily, what makes you think you're cut out to be a developer? Please note I'm not discussing any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 07/31/2013 02:05 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 1/08/2013 04:34, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It seems a little rude to pop in, address them personally, and ask them each if they'd devote months of their time towards mentoring me. (Doing so can pressure someone into agreeing to something he

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:48:19 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I want to become a dev, what's my next step? There is none. Help out, and maybe someone will notice you? Ok, I'm on it. Been doing it for years, and I know several other people in the same situation. It doesn't work, and recruitment

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:34:41 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It seems a little rude to pop in, address them personally, and ask them each if they'd devote months of their time towards mentoring me. (Doing so can pressure someone into agreeing to something he doesn't want to do, or makes him

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 01/08/13, Hans de Graaff wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2 documents this from the new developer perspective. Note how it says to contact the recruiters if you don't already have found a mentor yourself. There is also

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 01/08/13, Hans de Graaff wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2 documents this from the new developer perspective. Note how it says to contact the recruiters if you don't

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 01/08/13, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: I don't see the major difference between that and opening a bug and attaching the patch. Only that bugzilla allow to manage the process, not have leftovers, and future people can resume past discussions. The bugzilla thing is what makes the difference, IMHO.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread hasufell
On 08/01/2013 02:11 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 01/08/13, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: I don't see the major difference between that and opening a bug and attaching the patch. Only that bugzilla allow to manage the process, not have leftovers, and future people can resume past discussions. The

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 01/08/13, hasufell wrote: You can use the command line too. www-client/pybugz I know this tool. I did try it. At that time it was buggy and did not work for me. Though, this would still be a busy process as this is just another interface og the bugzilla thing. Git workflow has been on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-08-01 Thread hasufell
On 08/01/2013 03:15 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 01/08/13, hasufell wrote: You can use the command line too. www-client/pybugz I know this tool. I did try it. At that time it was buggy and did not work for me. Though, this would still be a busy process as this is just another

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/07/2013 07:32, Daniel Campbell wrote: I was interested in becoming a dev for a little while, but the testing and what looks to be prolonged process kinda put me off of the idea. It just seems like a lot of bureaucratic work. Perhaps my impression is wrong, though... You are right that the

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/07/2013 09:48, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I want to become a dev, what's my next step? There is none. Help out, and maybe someone will notice you? Ok, I'm on it. Been doing it for years, and I know several other people in the same situation. It doesn't work, and recruitment numbers are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/31/2013 03:25 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 31/07/2013 09:48, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I want to become a dev, what's my next step? There is none. Help out, and maybe someone will notice you? Ok, I'm on it. Been doing it for years, and I know several other people in the same situation.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/07/2013 22:56, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Lately I've been submitting things to the gentoo-haskell overlay. Have you asked any members of that project if they would be interested in being your mentor? Even if they can't, they might know someone who can.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/31/2013 02:25 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 31/07/2013 22:56, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Lately I've been submitting things to the gentoo-haskell overlay. Have you asked any members of that project if they would be interested in being your mentor? Even if they can't, they might know

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 1/08/2013 04:34, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It seems a little rude to pop in, address them personally, and ask them each if they'd devote months of their time towards mentoring me. (Doing so can pressure someone into agreeing to something he doesn't want to do, or makes him reject you personally