Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another?
Hello, Blocking means that a package prevents other package from being installed. I guess you already figured that out... :) Quote from man pages should be quite clear (if not, ask :), it follows. From man emerge [blocks B ] app-text/dos2unix (from pkg app-text/hd2u-0.8.0) Dos2unix is Blocking hd2u from being emerged. Blockers are defined when two packages will clobber each others files, or otherwise cause some form of breakage in your system. However, blockers usually do not need to be simultaneously emerged because they usually provide the same functionality. When I've got a block, I unmerge the blocking package (emerge -C ftpbase in your case) and then emerge package I originally wanted (emerge proftpd). I'm not sure if there's an other way to do this, but just unmerging has worked for me so far. -- Olli Koskela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Jayson Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Several days ago I did an 'emerge --ask --nospinner -u world' to update my software as normal, but was told that ftpbase-0.00 was blocking proftpd-1.something. What, exactly, does this mean and what do I do about it? I want to continue using Proftpd, and don't know what Ftpbase is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jayson. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another?
Hello, software as normal, but was told that ftpbase-0.00 was blocking proftpd-1.something. What, exactly, does this mean and what do I do about it? I want to continue using Proftpd, and don't know what Ftpbase is. unmerge the old proftpd version, emerge the new proftpd version. For some reasons, this will now install ftpbase and proftpd. The configs are not altered, so no worry. Works fine for me (I am running www.proftpd.de) cu stonki -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re-Distro
Are there any legalities behind creating your own set of installation CDs or DVDs - which contain specific packages available through the Gentoo repository and exclude other default ones - for distribution to clients? Email Disclaimer http://www.aplitec.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re-Distro
Are there any legalities behind creating your own set of installation CDs or DVDs - which contain specific packages available through the Gentoo repository and exclude other default ones - for distribution to clients? Email Disclaimer http://www.aplitec.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adapter and Gentoo
Hi all, I've reported this already in a former post and maybe it's too early to ask this again. I've bought an Acer 2313NLC notebook. The NIC is a SiS 900 and the graphics controller is a SiSM661MX. I wasn't able to bring the NIC up. I gave the notebook to the Acer service because the (preinstalled) Linpus Linux has messages about PCI bus faults in the syslog. I still haven't the notebook back but ... ... I'm sort of nervous. I've Googled a bit about SiS and found a lot of posts reporting the SiS chipset working on RedHat, SuSe, Debian ... and some posts this chipset NOT to work on Gentoo. Well, most of the posts I found are 2 to 3 years old. Maybe this isn't an issue at all furthermore. Has someone got this to work? My provider gives me a 100Mbps FD link. In the kernel documentation there is still this: 3. The media type change from 10Mbps to 100Mbps twisted-pair ethernet by ifconfig causes the media link down. Will I have to do a ``mii-tool -a 10baseT-FD,10baseT-HD'' before being able to use this NIC? I found: /* * SiS 300/630/730/540/315/550/[M]650/651/[M]661[FM]X/740/[M]741[GX]/330/[M]760[GX] in /usr/src/linux/drivers/video/sis. Due to this and reading the information on: http://www.winischhofer.net/ the graphics should'nt be an issue, should it? Excuse me my impatience but I'd like to install some Linux as soon as I get the machine back ... and I'd prefer Gentoo (using the NIC ;) over Fedora (using Click'nClay with Anaconda) Regards Frank -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Neighbour Table Overflow
I'm seeing a lot of these messages on my laptop currently. Is there something wrong with it? Coincidentally I notice that my eth0 (a broadcomm chip) is also down. I need to restart the interface. -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 13:19:47 up 5:54, 8 users, load average: 1.61, 1.03, 0.83 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another?
Hi, Thanks everybody, that solved my problems! Jayson. - Original Message - From: Stefan Onken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another? Hello, software as normal, but was told that ftpbase-0.00 was blocking proftpd-1.something. What, exactly, does this mean and what do I do about it? I want to continue using Proftpd, and don't know what Ftpbase is. unmerge the old proftpd version, emerge the new proftpd version. For some reasons, this will now install ftpbase and proftpd. The configs are not altered, so no worry. Works fine for me (I am running www.proftpd.de) cu stonki -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re-Distro
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:01:07 +0200, Mark Humphrey wrote: Are there any legalities behind creating your own set of installation CDs or DVDs - which contain specific packages available through the Gentoo repository and exclude other default ones - for distribution to clients? I hope not, I've created many tens of thousands of these for distribution! You do need to watch the licences of the individual packages. Some of those have distribution restrictions, some are not even included on the Gentoo mirrors, but you would know that unless you checked the ebuilds or where each one was downloaded from. -- Neil Bothwick I have nothing but respect for you, and not much of that. pgp7Lw9MbFSa7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adapter and Gentoo
Frank, The SiS 900 works fine for me on 100 Mbps without any specific ifconfig instructions, so should work for you unless Acer have it in a (very) non-default configuration. Note however that when you compile the kernel, you do need to change the config to include SiS 900 support, it's not included by default. Can't help on the graphics. On 8/11/05, Frank Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've reported this already in a former post and maybe it's too early to ask this again. I've bought an Acer 2313NLC notebook. The NIC is a SiS 900 and the graphics controller is a SiSM661MX. I wasn't able to bring the NIC up. I gave the notebook to the Acer service because the (preinstalled) Linpus Linux has messages about PCI bus faults in the syslog. I still haven't the notebook back but ... ... I'm sort of nervous. I've Googled a bit about SiS and found a lot of posts reporting the SiS chipset working on RedHat, SuSe, Debian ... and some posts this chipset NOT to work on Gentoo. Well, most of the posts I found are 2 to 3 years old. Maybe this isn't an issue at all furthermore. Has someone got this to work? My provider gives me a 100Mbps FD link. In the kernel documentation there is still this: 3. The media type change from 10Mbps to 100Mbps twisted-pair ethernet by ifconfig causes the media link down. Will I have to do a ``mii-tool -a 10baseT-FD,10baseT-HD'' before being able to use this NIC? I found: /* * SiS 300/630/730/540/315/550/[M]650/651/[M]661[FM]X/740/[M]741[GX]/330/[M]760[GX] in /usr/src/linux/drivers/video/sis. Due to this and reading the information on: http://www.winischhofer.net/ the graphics should'nt be an issue, should it? Excuse me my impatience but I'd like to install some Linux as soon as I get the machine back ... and I'd prefer Gentoo (using the NIC ;) over Fedora (using Click'nClay with Anaconda) Regards Frank -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another?
Mario Koppensteiner wrote: Hello Jayson Smith I had the same problem. I solved it with: host# emerge --nodeps --update net-ftp/proftpd and than host# emerge --deep --update world I hope this is the right way to solve the problem. Andy comments? mfg Mario Koppensteiner --- Ursprngliche Nachricht --- Von: "Jayson Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Betreff: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another? Datum: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:19:52 -0400 Hi, Several days ago I did an 'emerge --ask --nospinner -u world' to update my software as normal, but was told that ftpbase-0.00 was blocking proftpd-1.something. What, exactly, does this mean and what do I do about it? I want to continue using Proftpd, and don't know what Ftpbase is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jayson. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list The reason that the package was blocked was (from the changelog): 08 Jul 2005; Gustavo Felisberto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; +proftpd-1.2.10-r6.ebuild: New revision that uses the new net-ftp/ftpbase. Nice work there UberLord. The ftpbase functionality was removed from this version of proftpd onwards. ftpbase was unable to be installed with previous versions of proftpd installed as they both use the same files (if I recall correctly). As Olli posted from the man page Blockers are defined when two packages will clobber each others files. As emerge wants to build the dependencies of the new version of proftpd first (ie ftpbase), however it is unable to build ftpbase with the old version of proftpd installed. Your method of updating is just fine and avoids this conflict. I hope this makes sense, Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adapter and Gentoo
Thanks, that makes me a lot more serene. :)) Frank On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 10:36 +0200, Sandy McGuffog wrote: Frank, The SiS 900 works fine for me on 100 Mbps without any specific ifconfig instructions, so should work for you unless Acer have it in a (very) non-default configuration. Note however that when you compile the kernel, you do need to change the config to include SiS 900 support, it's not included by default. Can't help on the graphics. On 8/11/05, Frank Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've reported this already in a former post and maybe it's too early to ask this again. I've bought an Acer 2313NLC notebook. The NIC is a SiS 900 and the graphics controller is a SiSM661MX. I wasn't able to bring the NIC up. I gave the notebook to the Acer service because the (preinstalled) Linpus Linux has messages about PCI bus faults in the syslog. I still haven't the notebook back but ... ... I'm sort of nervous. I've Googled a bit about SiS and found a lot of posts reporting the SiS chipset working on RedHat, SuSe, Debian ... and some posts this chipset NOT to work on Gentoo. Well, most of the posts I found are 2 to 3 years old. Maybe this isn't an issue at all furthermore. Has someone got this to work? My provider gives me a 100Mbps FD link. In the kernel documentation there is still this: 3. The media type change from 10Mbps to 100Mbps twisted-pair ethernet by ifconfig causes the media link down. Will I have to do a ``mii-tool -a 10baseT-FD,10baseT-HD'' before being able to use this NIC? I found: /* * SiS 300/630/730/540/315/550/[M]650/651/[M]661[FM]X/740/[M]741[GX]/330/[M]760[GX] in /usr/src/linux/drivers/video/sis. Due to this and reading the information on: http://www.winischhofer.net/ the graphics should'nt be an issue, should it? Excuse me my impatience but I'd like to install some Linux as soon as I get the machine back ... and I'd prefer Gentoo (using the NIC ;) over Fedora (using Click'nClay with Anaconda) Regards Frank -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - How to work with USB DVD-RW/CD-RW drive
Hi, On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 48 in dummy TAO mode for single session. ... Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x05 (cannot write medium - incompatible format) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) Did there happen to be a medium in the CDRW drive? A 48x capable medium? -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problem compile ipsec-tools
On 8/11/05, Walter Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the install openswan ok but install ipsec-tools and error: gcc -L../libipsec/.libs -o plainrsa-gen plainrsa-gen.o plog.o vmbuf.o crypto_openssl.o logger.o misc.o -lssl -lcrypto -lresolv -lipsec -lflsha2.o gcc: sha2.o: No such file or directory make[3]: *** [plainrsa-gen] Error 1 make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs (SNIP) It sounds as if the ebuild is incompatible with the -j make flag. Try exporting MAKEOPTS (IIRC, I'm not at my gentoo box) to an empty string or -j1 (which limits the number of concurrent jobs to one) when merging it: MAKEOPTS=-j1 emerge ipsec-tools Regards, Andreas -- And I hate redundancy, and having different functions for the same thing. - Linus Torvalds on linux-kernel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another?
-Original Message- From: Olli Koskela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2005 07:57 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another? [snip] When I've got a block, I unmerge the blocking package (emerge -C ftpbase in your case) and then emerge package I originally wanted (emerge proftpd). I'm not sure if there's an other way to do this, but just unmerging has worked for me so far. I often find that unmerging package A allows you to emerge B, after which you may be able to emerge A again with no conflict occurring. Worth a try. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
-Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2005 01:32 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola [snip] And if my theory holds water in any way, then the Mozilla Foundation really would have had no choice but to spin off a for-profit subsidiary... after all, if the money is rolling in (via perfectly legitimate and socially acceptable means), it has to go somewhere, and it can't go to the N-F-P foundation beyond a certain level. An accountant could probably advise better, but I would think that there are appropriate vehicles (e.g. NfP trusts) which would allow financial profits that cannot be expensed in activities supporting the Moz Organisation objectives within the financial year, to be stored and in turn invested thereafter both in for profit and not schemes so that they may grow and prosper. Making an economic profit is not a problem in itself. Compromising Moz.Org./OSS objectives in seeking to derive this profit creates a conflict of interest and therefore it becomes a problem. Of course this may not be the case with the FF/Google syndication, I don't really know. Perhaps what we have here is a strategic failure; i.e. Moz could not come up with valid ideas to promptly expense the profit in support of the development of FF and other products and therefore were forced to spin-off. - [OT] Holly, you mention that you have a zillion search engines incorporated in your browser . . . 8O Where do you get them from? How can these be added to a browser? [/OT] -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another?
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 10:48 +0100, Michael Kintzios wrote: -Original Message- From: Olli Koskela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2005 07:57 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] One package is blocking another? [snip] When I've got a block, I unmerge the blocking package (emerge -C ftpbase in your case) and then emerge package I originally wanted (emerge proftpd). I'm not sure if there's an other way to do this, but just unmerging has worked for me so far. I often find that unmerging package A allows you to emerge B, after which you may be able to emerge A again with no conflict occurring. Worth a try. -- Regards, Mick Hmmm, ... IMHO this makes the blocking senseless. Frank -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] from 2005.0 to 2005.1
On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 13:54 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
On 8/10/05, Craig Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the developers bothered to write stuff like that for every package
(most of them have changelogs BTW) Gentoo would be like Debian.. years
between releases
--
Yeah, true. Besides, when Neil made that comment he was speaking of
the iso which is the 'installation disc' so I think that Neil was
completely consistant.
Running diff -upr --ignore-matching-lines='^# \
$Header:' /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.{0,1} it looks
like the differences between 2005.0 and 2005.1 are:
1. The default virtuals for os-headers and linux-sources have been
removed (possibly preparatory to merging headers and sources?)
2. The minimum baselayout version is 1.11.12-r4, up from 1.9.4-r3
3. The minimum binutils version is 2.15.90.0.3-r4, up from
2.14.90.0.8-r1
Of course, other architectures may have more significant changes...
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Michael Kintzios schreef: [OT] Holly, you mention that you have a zillion search engines incorporated in your browser . . . 8O Where do you get them from? How can these be added to a browser? [/OT] The vast majority of them come from mozdev.org itself. If you click the search engine button (the Google logo, in this case), you get a drop-down list of available search engines (as you probably know, Firefox includes several by default other than Google-- Amazon.com, Creative Commons, Ebay, Yahoo, and dictionary.com). At the bottom of this list there is an entry More (or Add) search engines, which, if clicked, opens http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html . On this page, you can find a whole lot of search engine plugins for any purpose-- mostly for specific sites or purposes, including Gentoo Packages (packages.gentoo.org), Gentoo Bugzilla, by both summary (word/name) and bug #, the Gentoo Forums, Gentoo-Portage, and the Gentoo Wiki (although all of these engines are not necessarily where you'd expect if you go through the listing, but putting 'Gentoo' in the page's search box will bring them all up). Debian also has some engine plugins, as does Mandrake (just one). Not to mention various dictionaries in many languages, shopping sites, and other special interest categories. Also, a few sites that I visit have plugins that have not (yet) been accepted by Firefox, and so are available from the website itself. You may also find this to be the case. There are two caveats: 1. this may have changed, but before the recent 'upgrade every day' period (where Firefox was being revised every day over the course of 4 days), the folder /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/searchplugins (now /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/searchplugins) was a root-only folder, meaning that you had to install search engine plugins as root. It also meant that an upgrade would remove all your installed plugins, restoring the 5 default plugins. There are Mozilla bugs 'open' for this issue, but I don't know their current status. The bugs themselves are linked in the thread of the MozillaZine forums I link to below. I solved this by a) changing the permissions of the searchplugins folder so that I could write to it as a user, so I could install search engines as a user; b) once installed, copying the searchplugins folder to /root as a backup, so that if an upgrade wiped the folder, I could just copy it back. 2) Search plugin order is rather random, which can be a problem if you have a lot of search plugins. You can, however, set the order of your search plugins. I set them up in groups of similar type, in order of likelihood of use, with Google Linux-- rather than Google Main-- as first (because my Google searches are more likely Linux-specific than 'general'). Google itself is second, and the IMDB is third, since I'm always running to my computer during commercials to get a list of actors in the movie I'm watching -- I know her/him from *somewhere*, but Then dictionaries/thesauri (in two languages), then Gentoo-specific engines, then other Linux engines-- LQF has a Firefox search plugin, did you know?-- and so on. The way to do this is to set up a user.js (easy with the ChromEdit plugin), and is documented on the MozillaZine forums here: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=177335 (a summary is in the first post, more detailed instructions on page 5, see the post by Roger77, which gives the format for the entries). The nice thing about this is that user.js is in your profile folder, thus is unaffected by an upgrade, so once you restore your backup plugins (if that's still necessary), the reinstalled plugins will be in the correct order (your order, in other words). Anyway, the search box is one of my favorite features of Firefox. I watch my bf (a dedicated Mozilla Windows user) typing 'synonym cadence' in the *Google* Bar because he's trying to remember a(n English) word for a kind of poetic rythmic title (which turned out to be 'alliteration', which he remembered himself after throwing a snit because the help he had asked me for was in some way unsatisfactory. The point being, Google didn't lead him to the answer, but a targeted search from an appropriate site might have), and regretting that he won't even try Firefox, where he could just change the search engine to thesaurus.com (or InterGlot Synonym NL), type the word and have the specific search results he needed in many fewer steps. But to each his or her own. I like efficency, and the ability to customize the search box helps me gain more efficiency in my searches. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Wow! Thanks, I've bookmarked this message. :-) -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2005 13:39 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola Michael Kintzios schreef: [OT] Holly, you mention that you have a zillion search engines incorporated in your browser . . . 8O Where do you get them from? How can these be added to a browser? [/OT] The vast majority of them come from mozdev.org itself. If you click the search engine button (the Google logo, in this case), you get a drop-down list of available search engines (as you probably know, Firefox includes several by default other than Google-- Amazon.com, Creative Commons, Ebay, Yahoo, and dictionary.com). At the bottom of this list there is an entry More (or Add) search engines, which, if clicked, opens http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html . On this page, you can find a whole lot of search engine plugins for any purpose-- mostly for specific sites or purposes, including Gentoo Packages (packages.gentoo.org), Gentoo Bugzilla, by both summary (word/name) and bug #, the Gentoo Forums, Gentoo-Portage, and the Gentoo Wiki (although all of these engines are not necessarily where you'd expect if you go through the listing, but putting 'Gentoo' in the page's search box will bring them all up). Debian also has some engine plugins, as does Mandrake (just one). Not to mention various dictionaries in many languages, shopping sites, and other special interest categories. Also, a few sites that I visit have plugins that have not (yet) been accepted by Firefox, and so are available from the website itself. You may also find this to be the case. There are two caveats: 1. this may have changed, but before the recent 'upgrade every day' period (where Firefox was being revised every day over the course of 4 days), the folder /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/searchplugins (now /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/searchplugins) was a root-only folder, meaning that you had to install search engine plugins as root. It also meant that an upgrade would remove all your installed plugins, restoring the 5 default plugins. There are Mozilla bugs 'open' for this issue, but I don't know their current status. The bugs themselves are linked in the thread of the MozillaZine forums I link to below. I solved this by a) changing the permissions of the searchplugins folder so that I could write to it as a user, so I could install search engines as a user; b) once installed, copying the searchplugins folder to /root as a backup, so that if an upgrade wiped the folder, I could just copy it back. 2) Search plugin order is rather random, which can be a problem if you have a lot of search plugins. You can, however, set the order of your search plugins. I set them up in groups of similar type, in order of likelihood of use, with Google Linux-- rather than Google Main-- as first (because my Google searches are more likely Linux-specific than 'general'). Google itself is second, and the IMDB is third, since I'm always running to my computer during commercials to get a list of actors in the movie I'm watching -- I know her/him from *somewhere*, but Then dictionaries/thesauri (in two languages), then Gentoo-specific engines, then other Linux engines-- LQF has a Firefox search plugin, did you know?-- and so on. The way to do this is to set up a user.js (easy with the ChromEdit plugin), and is documented on the MozillaZine forums here: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=177335 (a summary is in the first post, more detailed instructions on page 5, see the post by Roger77, which gives the format for the entries). The nice thing about this is that user.js is in your profile folder, thus is unaffected by an upgrade, so once you restore your backup plugins (if that's still necessary), the reinstalled plugins will be in the correct order (your order, in other words). Anyway, the search box is one of my favorite features of Firefox. I watch my bf (a dedicated Mozilla Windows user) typing 'synonym cadence' in the *Google* Bar because he's trying to remember a(n English) word for a kind of poetic rythmic title (which turned out to be 'alliteration', which he remembered himself after throwing a snit because the help he had asked me for was in some way unsatisfactory. The point being, Google didn't lead him to the answer, but a targeted search from an appropriate site might have), and regretting that he won't even try Firefox, where he could just change the search engine to thesaurus.com (or InterGlot Synonym NL), type the word and have the specific search results he needed in many fewer steps. But to each his or her own. I like efficency, and the ability to customize the search box helps me gain more efficiency in my searches. Holly --
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - How to work with USB DVD-RW/CD-RW drive
--- Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 48 in dummy TAO mode for single session. ... Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x05 (cannot write medium - incompatible format) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) Did there happen to be a medium in the CDRW drive? A 48x capable medium? -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Yes. The CD-R blanks I use are 48x Multispeed... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] udev, /dev/svga and gnuplot
Using gentoo 2005.0 and trying to install the latest gnuplot, the compile fails, and appears to be looking for a /dev/svga link. I've updated udev and svgalib to the latest. There was supposedly a fixed bug, number 92158, which talks about this. The person who repaired the bug made a change to svgalib to repair the problem, but the version repaired appears to be 1.9.21, and the latest I can get is 1.9.19. No workaround is mentioned, so my question is: how do I make a proper link at /dev/svga, so gnuplot will be happy and compile? Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] udev, /dev/svga and gnuplot
Using gentoo 2005.0 and trying to install the latest gnuplot, the compile fails, and appears to be looking for a /dev/svga link. I've updated udev and svgalib to the latest. There was supposedly a fixed bug, number 92158, which talks about this. The person who repaired the bug made a change to svgalib to repair the problem, but the version repaired appears to be 1.9.21, and the latest I can get is 1.9.19. No workaround is mentioned, so my question is: how do I make a proper link at /dev/svga, so gnuplot will be happy and compile? Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] udev, /dev/svga and gnuplot
bunyip ccze-0.2.1 # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge svgalib -s Searching... [ Results for search key : svgalib ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * media-libs/svgalib Latest version available: 1.9.21 Latest version installed: 1.9.19-r3 Size of downloaded files: 928 kB Homepage:http://www.svgalib.org/ Description: A library for running svga graphics on the console License: BSD On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 02:02 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: Using gentoo 2005.0 and trying to install the latest gnuplot, the compile fails, and appears to be looking for a /dev/svga link. I've updated udev and svgalib to the latest. There was supposedly a fixed bug, number 92158, which talks about this. The person who repaired the bug made a change to svgalib to repair the problem, but the version repaired appears to be 1.9.21, and the latest I can get is 1.9.19. No workaround is mentioned, so my question is: how do I make a proper link at /dev/svga, so gnuplot will be happy and compile? Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Matt Randolph schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: Surfing the Internet is a lot like walking down the street. Do you think Jane and John Doe computer users know that? Do you think they know that what they do in Word and Outlook is private, and what they do in Internet Explorer is public? It's only the distance of an inch on the computer screen between the icons. How could they possibly know it makes a whole world of difference? Don't get me started on how responsible I 'should' be in terms of protecting others from their own stupidity. I am, generally, not for it. You can't learn from your mistakes if you don't make them, and the lack of learning is what makes Jane and John Dingbat dingbats in the first place. Admittedly, there are some mistakes (the fatal kind), that you don't want people to make as a learning experience, but there is a reason that they say What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And I think there is no way that we can stretch cookies deposited on your computer by non-visited sites to something that could kill you. If John and Jane Dingbat don't have a clue, well, that's not so good. If they don't have a clue that they don't have a clue, well, that's hopeless. If they have a clue that they don't have a clue, but choose not to get a clue, then they need to protect themselves in their voluntary 'blind spot', and that's their responsibility, not mine. You can see me. The fact of my existence is not private. Because you can physically see me, you know a lot of things about me already. ... All of this information is *personal*, but *not* private, If you saw someone following you in the street, writing down your every action, documenting what you bought and at which stores you bought it at... If you saw someone recording public but personal information about you as you went about your business in public, would you not call the police? Not as a first resort, no. What if someone was peering through the window of your home yet did it while standing on the public right of way (the sidewalk)? I've actually lived in this situation (a ground floor flat with front windows on the street), so I know what I'd do. What I did... and what I would do in the previous situation is confront the person, and (in the first situation ask them what they were doing), and (if the reason was not acceptable) inform them that their behaviour was unacceptable and ask them to/demand that they cease and desist (or move along, as the case may be). If they then did not, that would be a reason to call the police. I would, most likely, close my curtains as well (but possibly not, if I wanted to monitor their activity while waiting for the police). What if they had binoculars and a camera? Binoculars I probably can't do anything about/don't know anything about, since the fact that they are using them suggests that they're hiding from me (it's kinda stupid to stand right in front of my window and yet use binoculars to look into my open window). Same with a camera, but if for some reason somebody was standing right in front of my window taking pictures of the interior of my house, I would do the same (confront them and ask why), then likely demand the film before telling them to move along. I might even be induced to replace the unexposed film at my own cost, depending on the situation. Have you given up all of your rights to privacy in your home by opening your curtains? Sort of-- at least to all areas of your home visible through the window. It's called plain sight. If you want privacy, the first line of defense is to prevent normal human senses from perceiving your activity. You wouldn't open up your curtains and then murder your spouse right in front of the open windows, and expect that there would be no witnesses because your right to privacy demands that *no one look* (or hear) your crime? Does your right to privacy supercede my right to turn my head and perceive my environment accurately while walking down the street? Think about disturbing the peace. You are in your house, having a party. A noisy party. I am in my house, trying to sleep. We are both on our private property, but your 'private' activity is perceptible to my senses on my 'private' property-- I can hear you. I then have a legitimate actionable complaint (because the noise you are making is clearly public, because I can perceive it, despite the fact that I am not in your private area). Therefore, the police will act on it, if I choose to call them (which is how I know it's a legitimate complaint in the public arena). If you had any sense you would call the police on anyone who did any of those things to you because that is harassment and it is none of their goddamned business. It is YOUR business and when all is said and done it is one of the few things in this world that you truly have. But you don't. 'Everybody' (in your immediate environment) knows your business (or some aspects of it). If not
Re: [gentoo-user] udev, /dev/svga and gnuplot
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 09:52:56PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: bunyip ccze-0.2.1 # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge svgalib -s Searching... [ Results for search key : svgalib ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * media-libs/svgalib Latest version available: 1.9.21 Latest version installed: 1.9.19-r3 Size of downloaded files: 928 kB Homepage:http://www.svgalib.org/ Description: A library for running svga graphics on the console License: BSD When I ran emerge --search media-libs/svgalib, I don't get that version. Being new to gentoo, could you explain why the 1.9.21 version shows up when you do it this way? Is it because of the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS assignment, and if so, why? Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Holly Bostick schreef: Matt Randolph schreef: What if they had binoculars and a camera? Same with a camera, but if for some reason somebody was standing right in front of my window taking pictures of the interior of my house, I would do the same (confront them and ask why), then likely demand the film before telling them to move along. I might even be induced to replace the unexposed film at my own cost, depending on the situation. What's funny is that this reveals that I carry a vestige of the superstitious belief that taking a picture steals some or all of your soul. Otherwise, why would it matter if a stranger had a picture of me? Even if they were getting paid for publishing said photo, I would hope that my greed wouldn't come into play (you get paid, so I should get some of the money for it). Yes, naturally, the photo *could* be used for criminal purposes (put up on a dating or porn site), which I would object to, but 1) most people are not criminals and 2) taking the photograph is not in and of itself a crime (photosouping it onto a naked body and posting it on a porn site is the crime). But I must admit that it gives me a chill to think of a stranger taking photos of me as in the example -- she said, looking at her two photo postcards, one of a young girl, one of an elder man and woman. I wonder how they feel about having their pictures on my wall? H -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re-Distro
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:01:07 +0200 Mark Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Are there any legalities behind creating your own set of installation | CDs or DVDs - which contain specific packages available through the | Gentoo repository and exclude other default ones - for distribution to | clients? 1. Various core Gentoo things which you might be modifying are covered by the GPL. 2. Various packages have licences which prohibit either redistributing the source, or redistributing the package in binary form, or redistributing a modified package in binary form. 3. Some packages have weird trademark restrictions to do with shipping modified binaries. Anything Mozillaish comes to mind... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgplOhDsLfpMg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] udev, /dev/svga and gnuplot
On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 09:52:56PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: bunyip ccze-0.2.1 # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge svgalib -s Searching... [ Results for search key : svgalib ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * media-libs/svgalib Latest version available: 1.9.21 Latest version installed: 1.9.19-r3 Size of downloaded files: 928 kB Homepage:http://www.svgalib.org/ Description: A library for running svga graphics on the console License: BSD Okay, this package, installed, does not solve the problem. So again, how do I create a _working_ link to /dev/svga? (Not MAKEDEV-- it doesn't know how to make this link.) Paul On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 02:02 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: Using gentoo 2005.0 and trying to install the latest gnuplot, the compile fails, and appears to be looking for a /dev/svga link. I've updated udev and svgalib to the latest. There was supposedly a fixed bug, number 92158, which talks about this. The person who repaired the bug made a change to svgalib to repair the problem, but the version repaired appears to be 1.9.21, and the latest I can get is 1.9.19. No workaround is mentioned, so my question is: how do I make a proper link at /dev/svga, so gnuplot will be happy and compile? Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Paul M. Foster -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:14:26PM -0400, John J. Foster wrote: On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 05:05:34PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 03:52:10PM -0400, John J. Foster wrote: http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox Just wondering if anyone had heard of this. Although, if true, it certainly doesn't surprise me with todays corporate ethics as they are. Just a bad mark on Mozilla. I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with this. Google pays Mozilla to make Google the default search engine for Firefox. Mozilla could have made it Yahoo or someone else, but Google paid them and that's bad? This seems the same to me as Ford offering a television show free cars so that whenever you see a car in the show, it's a Ford. This is as old as advertising itself. snip Even IF only one of those allegations are true, I'm disappointed in Mozilla's choices. They were, until a few days ago, non-profit. Google may be the best general purpose search engine out there right now, but IF Mozilla made it the default for cash, I have a problem with that. If Mozilla knows that a Google search deposits cookies from sites never visited, I have a problem with that. IANAL, and I'm not privvy to all the laws pertaining to non-profits, but I think that what really defines a non-profit is that no single person or group profits from the entity. And I think that non-profits routinely gain funds from investments in other entities. I'm not sure, but I think this is the case. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo, udev and Palm Tungsten T5
Hello, is anyone using a Palm Tungsten T5 under Gentoo and Udev ? I tried google up and down, read tons of docs and howtos, but I can get it to work. Any real life experience would be very helpful. cu stonki -- www.stonki.de www.krename.net www.kbarcode.net www.proftpd.de -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] udev and initrd
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 03:41, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Tuesday 09 August 2005 23:43, Joe Rizzo wrote: Hi- I am trying to convert to using udev instead of devfs. I need to load a raid controller module to access to root fs. I am using mkinitrd to create the initrd, however the root partition is not mounting. The driver module is loading but the root partition is not mounting. The partition is fine and ext3 is compiled into the kernel. This was working when using devfs. How do I get this to work? Do I need devfs compiled into the kernel? Thanks for the help, Joe Rizzo no, you do not need devfs, but why do you use a module and do not compile the driver into the kernel? What reason of having initrd, if driver and root fs modules are compiled into the kernel? It is not very smart, isn't it? I had same problem, but I didn't solved it. I think the root fs is not mounting for lack of device file in the initrd. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] What's wrong with kde-meta dependencies?
I tried to update my gentoo instalation with 'emerge update world' ( i have kde-meta installed instead kde), but 'kolf' (probably it is some game from kdegames) failed to build. Then I remove kolf (I don't need it) and try 'emerge --pretend world', but 'kolf' and some other not installed packages from kde appear in the list. 'equery depends kolf' shows nothig. What's wrong with dependencies and how to prevent of installing some unwanted packages? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] udev and initrd
On Thursday 11 August 2005 11:38, Cadaver wrote: On Wednesday 10 August 2005 03:41, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Tuesday 09 August 2005 23:43, Joe Rizzo wrote: Hi- I am trying to convert to using udev instead of devfs. I need to load a raid controller module to access to root fs. I am using mkinitrd to create the initrd, however the root partition is not mounting. The driver module is loading but the root partition is not mounting. The partition is fine and ext3 is compiled into the kernel. This was working when using devfs. How do I get this to work? Do I need devfs compiled into the kernel? Thanks for the help, Joe Rizzo no, you do not need devfs, but why do you use a module and do not compile the driver into the kernel? What reason of having initrd, if driver and root fs modules are compiled into the kernel? It is not very smart, isn't it? I had same problem, but I didn't solved it. I think the root fs is not mounting for lack of device file in the initrd. exactly! Compile everything in, so you do not need to use the dirty hack called 'initrd'. Initrd are cool for distributors, becaue they reduce the kernels needed for all the different hardware. But from an endusers point, they are ugly, make the boot even longer (udev too) and do nothing positive in return... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NCFTP in passive mode...
Steve [Gentoo] wrote: I can't use wget - because I want to put files... I can use the classic ftp program (which works fine is passive mode) - however I dislike the user interface... ncftp worked fine for me in the past... post a trace (or screen grab) of the ftp program running passive mode, too, cause I can't see anything wrong with the ncftp setup. I have seen instances where a firewall on the server was setup so that passive mode would not work, but active mode would - ie, having two machines behind firewalls with one having a ftp port forward means that neither machine can form the proper ftp connection for data - UNLESS one of the firewalls understand FTP, and can either (1) client side firewall dynamically open ports for FTP back to the client, or (2) server side firewall understands that requests coming from the client are RELATED to the established FTP session. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] udev, /dev/svga and gnuplot
Paul M Foster schreef: On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 09:52:56PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: bunyip ccze-0.2.1 # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge svgalib -s Searching... [ Results for search key : svgalib ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * media-libs/svgalib Latest version available: 1.9.21 Latest version installed: 1.9.19-r3 Size of downloaded files: 928 kB Homepage:http://www.svgalib.org/ Description: A library for running svga graphics on the console License: BSD When I ran emerge --search media-libs/svgalib, I don't get that version. Being new to gentoo, could you explain why the 1.9.21 version shows up when you do it this way? Is it because of the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS assignment, and if so, why? Yes, it is. The 1.9.21 version is marked unstable (~arch, the key issue being the ~ before the architecture name), and apparently you have only authorized Portage (in /etc/make.conf) to accept/show stable packages (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=arch, as opposed to ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arch). So the unstable packages generally are invisible to you, unless you override the current ACCEPT_KEYWORDS setting either globally (in /etc/make.conf), or for the specific package (in /etc/portage/package.keywords), or use another portage search tool (such as 'eix', which shows you all the versions in Portage, whether or not Portage will actually emerge them for you because your settings block them). Paul M Foster also schreef: Using gentoo 2005.0 and trying to install the latest gnuplot, the compile fails, and appears to be looking for a /dev/svga link. I've updated udev and svgalib to the latest. There was supposedly a fixed bug, number 92158, which talks about this. The person who repaired the bug made a change to svgalib to repair the problem According to Bugzilla, the check now installs rules.d for udev-045 and better What version of udev are you using? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Holly Bostick wrote: Michael Kintzios schreef: Sharing our private information (i.e. our own browsing trends) for profit without our consent is evidently not on This carries the assumption that our own browsing trends is, in fact, private information, which I do not necessarily agree with. Surfing the Internet is a lot like walking down the street. You can see me. The fact of my existence is not private. Because you can physically see me, you know a lot of things about me already. 1. I am human. 2. I am female. 3. I am of childbearing age (you don't know my exact age, but you can see that I am older than 9 and younger than 50). 4. I am of African descent. 5. I am (for the purposes of this example), wearing a wedding ring, so I am or was in a committed relationship, most likely with a man. How would you feel if a company bought lots of too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around wherever you went (in these public places, which would certainly include shops but not the bathroom...)? Without you being conscious of it? Very useful to follow someone around to get their (window)shopping habits, and almost certainly completely illegal. How are these different (apart from legality)? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Michael Kintzios wrote: -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2005 01:32 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola [snip] And if my theory holds water in any way, then the Mozilla Foundation really would have had no choice but to spin off a for-profit subsidiary... after all, if the money is rolling in (via perfectly legitimate and socially acceptable means), it has to go somewhere, and it can't go to the N-F-P foundation beyond a certain level. An accountant could probably advise better, but I would think that there are appropriate vehicles (e.g. NfP trusts) which would allow financial profits that cannot be expensed in activities supporting the Moz Organisation objectives within the financial year, to be stored and in turn invested thereafter both in for profit and not schemes so that they may grow and prosper. Making an economic profit is not a problem in itself. Compromising Moz.Org./OSS objectives in seeking to derive this profit creates a conflict of interest and therefore it becomes a problem. Of course this may not be the case with the FF/Google syndication, I don't really know. Is this right? AFAIK, non-profits don't actually make profits at all, they have surpluses. The surpluses can't be redistributed as such (though of course a non-profit could give money away, though would probably need justification) but they are surpluses that in theory should be reinvested/spent. I really don't see any reason whatsoever for spinning off a company for these reasons. In any case, if the company remains wholly owned by the mozilla foundation then the problem won't go away - if the foundation decides to withdraw capital it will still be surplus. I guess the company could then be sold but I can't see how it would differ from any other company that is paid to be the guider of an OSS project... I may be wrong about my assumptions but would be interested to know if that is wrong... Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re-Distro
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:36:07 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:38:03 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | 2. Various packages have licences which prohibit either | redistributing the source, or redistributing the package in binary | form, or redistributing a modified package in binary form. | | Some even have mixed licences within the same package, win32codecs | comes to mind, so grepping the ebuilds for LICENCE isn't enough. If that's the case, you may have found a bug. LICENSE supports syntax which allows specifying multiple 'and' or 'either-or' licences. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpQLAQJe3U7H.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] SiI 3112A + Seagate HDs = still no go?
Hi all, I just recently took the plunge and bought 4 250 GB Seagate drives and a 2 port Silicon Image 3112A controller card for the 2 drives my motherboard doesn't handle. No matter how hard I try, I can't get the hard drives to work: they are detected correctly and work reasonably well under _very_ light load, but anything like building a RAID array is a bit much and the whole controller seems to lock up. I can't remember the exact kernel messages, and I've unplugged the drives for now, but they were exactly like those in the following posts: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ide@vger.kernel.org/msg00958.html http://www.thisishull.net/archive/index.php/t-21928.html All of these people seemed to be having trouble a good while ago, and other than the blacklist fix (which I have tried...) there seem to be no solutions to the problem at all. I can't seem to find any PCI controller cards not based on the SiI chipset (even the expensive ones) to replace my current card, either. Needless to say the drives on my internal VIA controller work like a charm. Has anyone run unto this problem? Any fixes? Many thanks, Chris -- Chris Boot [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bootc.net/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Antoine schreef: How would you feel if a company bought lots of too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around wherever you went (in these public places, which would certainly include shops but not the bathroom...)? Without you being conscious of it? Very useful to follow someone around to get their (window)shopping habits, and almost certainly completely illegal. How are these different (apart from legality)? OK, now explain to me why they are almost certainly illegal. My guess is because humans are made very uncomfortable by constant observation-- i.e., a lack of solitude, which condition is ever increasing. You are almost never alone; in fact one must really go out of one's way to be 'alone' in today's world. You are always reachable, if you have a cell phone. With video phones now here, you're not only reachable, but visible. No more picking up the phone naked and unkempt. Because, as social animals (and curious ones), we find it hard to resist picking up the phone when it rings. So this discomfort has been codified into law in some fashion (or several fashions), since we refuse to stop the march of technology (or slow the expansion of the human race, which is eating away at our ability to be 'private', which essentially means 'alone with our thoughts'. But this is a social issue masquerading as legalities. Because the actual fact of someone knowing where I shop (which many people know, without me being conscious of it) is not relevant to anything. *It doesn't matter if anyone knows this*, except insofar as they choose to use the information in a way that I'm not happy with, which is a fact of life on Planet Earth-- some proportion of people will use the information they have in a way I'm not happy with. The real issue is that knowing that such constant observation is occurring, without our active consciousness of it, or ability to control or limit it, *makes our skin crawl*, which is a human thing. That doesn't make it bad (in some eternal sense), any more than the fact that most people have a 'natural' fear of snakes (all snakes, even the harmless ones) makes snakes bad. I understand that things that make our skin crawl are a 'problem' that we have to solve in order to manage a society successfully, but there's a big difference between 'agreements that humans make with each other to make our lives bearable' and 'natural law' (i.e., inalienable rights). I just wish we'd stop confusing the one with the other. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What's wrong with kde-meta dependencies?
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:13:08 +0300, Cadaver wrote: I tried to update my gentoo instalation with 'emerge update world' ( i have kde-meta installed instead kde), but 'kolf' (probably it is some game from kdegames) failed to build. Then I remove kolf (I don't need it) and try 'emerge --pretend world', but 'kolf' and some other not installed packages from kde appear in the list. 'equery depends kolf' shows nothig. What's wrong with dependencies and how to prevent of installing some unwanted packages? If you don't want all of kde, you shouldn't be installing kde-meta. 1) emerge -C kde-meta - this won't actually uninstall anything. 2) emerge depclean -p - this shows which packages are now considered not needed. 3) Then add the packages you do want to world with emerge -n packagename Only add the packages you want, not their dependencies. Things like kdelibs, arts, libkonq etc should never be in world. 4) goto 2 until the list contains only packages you don't want 5) emerge depclean You'll end up with a much leaner system. As an alternative to having every KDE package in world, you could install some of the section meta packages. I install kdebase-meta, kdenetwork-meta, kdeartwork-meta and koffice-meta. the rest, I choose individual packages. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 30: Business ethics pgpsKey7NSPmi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re-Distro
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:33:21 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Some even have mixed licences within the same package, win32codecs | comes to mind, so grepping the ebuilds for LICENCE isn't enough. If that's the case, you may have found a bug. LICENSE supports syntax which allows specifying multiple 'and' or 'either-or' licences. OK, I'll try and find the ebuilds I'm thinking of (win32codecs and netscape-flash ring a bell as being troublesome) but I'll have to check. -- Neil Bothwick By the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends. pgpcOxYtZTIna.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Does openoffice really require pam?
Hi! I'm building a USE=-pam system and thus don't have pam installed. Now I wanted to compile openoffice and found, that it would install pam: server tmp # USE=-* emerge -vpt app-office/openoffice These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] app-office/openoffice-1.1.4-r1 -curl -hardened -java -kde -nptl -zlib 215,331 kB [ebuild N] sys-libs/pam-0.78-r2 -berkdb -nis -pam_chroot -pam_console -pam_timestamp -pwdb (-selinux) 562 kB [ebuild N] app-shells/tcsh-6.14 -perl 883 kB I don't really want to install pam just because of OOo. Does OOo *REALLY* require pam? Regards, Alexander Skwar -- This is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. And now you know why. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Problem with vpopmail and courier.imap
Hi, vpopmail and courier-imap is running on my server and it mostly works great, but sometimes the user login fails. The log file has the following output: Aug 11 20:33:35 nerdig authdaemond: vmysql: sql error[3]: MySQL server has gone away But, mysqld is running the whole time, and I set in my.cnf: set-variable = max_connections=1000 set-variable = max_user_connections=100 Any suggestions? Thanks. Jan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Does openoffice really require pam?
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:32:26 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I don't really want to install pam just because of OOo. Does OOo | *REALLY* require pam? No, but tcsh does, and openoffice's build system requires tcsh. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpNr0RmVpssu.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] weird 1000baseT problem
Hi folks, this message is rather lengthy. If you don't feel like reading all of it please don't bother to answer. You'll need the whole lot to get the picture. ;-) I have run into a weird network problem with 1Gb NICs. It involves these two boxes: Box A P4 2.8Ghz HT 512GB ram Tigon Gb NIC (module tg3) IDE drives Box B Xeon 2.6Ghz HT 512GB ram Intel Pro/1000 Gb NIC (module e1000) SCSI RAID5 The two of them are connected by a cross-over cable. So nothing else is on that network, kinda peer-to-peer connection. Both boxes are running *exactly* the same gentoo software. I emerged it on one box, tarred it up, copied it over to the other one and made the config changes like IP addresses, names and such. Kernel is 2.6.12-gentoo-r6. Of course, box B loads the SCSI modules. All file transfers I am talking about are done with a file all.tar.bz2 of the size of 1088MB. Both boxes are idle otherwise. Neither box runs services like FTP or HTTP. So I have to resort to other protocols to transfer files. Both do run NFS and SSH. Case 1: I log into A and NFS mount B's /tmp on A's /mnt/floppy and cd to /tmp. cp /mnt/floppy/all.tar.bz2 . (receiving on A) as well as cp all.tar.bz2 /mnt/floppy (sending from A) result in a sustained transfer rate of 2xMB/s. That's to be expected because it involves an IDE drive on A, and that's about the limit of current IDE drives (though 1Gb NICs can transfer data at about 4 to 5 times that rate). It also confirms that both Gb NICs are performing though it doesn't confirm they are getting near their theoretical limits (the latter unimportant in this case). Case 2: I log into A and sftp into B. get all.tar.bz2 (receiving on A) transfers the file at 2xMB/s, same as in case 1. CPU utilisation is up to 40-50% due to encryption. Still, encryption does not slow down the transfer rate by any significant amount. This can be expected with the CPUs involved. Case 3: I log into A and sftp into B. put all.tar.bz2 (sending from A) transfers the file at 3.7MB/s! This is far slower than on a 100baseT network where I get transfer rates of about 10MB/s with the network being the bottleneck rather than the harddisks. CPU utilisation is down to about 10%, indicating that something else than encryption is throttling the transfer. This is odd! Case 4: I log into B and try to NFS mount A's /tmp to B's /mnt/floppy. It returns with an RPC timeout. So I can't do the cp test from B. Case 5: I log into B and sftp into A. It sits there for about 10 seconds before presenting me with a password prompt. After, I get transfer rates close to case 2 and case 3, just the other way round. I am puzzled. First I thought that the Gb NIC on box A is somehow kaput but case 1 surely shows it is performing. What the heck is going on here? I would be deeply indebted to any person on this list that could shed some light on this. Any hint what to investigate would be highly appreciated. Really. This has troubled me for the last three days and I would go as far as ship you a Windhoek Lager. ;-) Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] newbie installing with genkernel, but no initrd
Hi all, I'm a complete newbie to Linux (and Gentoo) - just trying to install it on my old laptop (not so old - 1999 or so), in a first attempt to free myself from Windows. It's a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop, running on a Pentium 3. I'm installing the 2005.1 build, and following the handbook step-by-step. I decided to use the genkernel script to configure compile the kernel (from http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2005.1/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=7 - section 7.d. Alternative: Using genkernel) cause I got a bit overwhelmed with the options when I tried the manual configuration. In the documentation it says, after you run the genkernel script: Write down the names of the kernel and initrd as you will need it when writing the bootloader configuration file. The initrd will be started immediately after booting to perform hardware autodetection (just like on the Installation CD) before your real system starts up. However, after I ran the genkernel script, and I do a: # ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initrd* I get: ls: /boot/initrd*: No such file or directory /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 There is, however, a file called /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 So my question is: why don't I have initrd after running genkernel? Will I need it to complete the installation (as the documentation seems to indicate)? If so, what can I do to get it? (remember you're talking to a complete Linux newbie here, so fairly step-by-step instructions would be good!) Thanks in advance, Assaf Urieli -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] TWO (probably stupid) questions about partitions
Hi, this is how my disk is divided: Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda2 1276 4208 23559322+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda3 4209 4271 506047+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda4 4272 4864 4763272+ 83 Linux /dev/hda5 1276 4208 23559291 b W95 FAT32 Now I want to clean hda1 (which has windows) and mount there /usr and point $PORTAGE_TMPDIR there (because my gentoo system, in hda4, run out of space). Once I'm doing this, I could split that partition into smaller ones (e.g. to create /boot), but hda1 needs to be Extended. So, 1. Can /boot be inside an Extended partition? Would probably be place in hda6... 2. In case of not changing my boot config (my doing Q1), will I need to re-install my bootloader in MBR anew? Or on other words, will MBR be erased when cleaning hda1? Question extra :) : what tends to be bigger /etc or /usr ? Thanks, Fernando
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Holly Bostick wrote: I have the right to observe, and I also have the right to record my observations, Yes, as an individual you have that right (unless you're observing military installations :). But Google is a company, and companies are bound to some rules: http://home.planet.nl/~privacy1/wbp_en_rev.htm Or in a more understandable form (but in Dutch): http://www.justitie.nl/themas/meer/hoofdlijnen_wbp.asp In short: Organisations may only collect and use personal data for a well-defined goal. This goal they must define up front, before starting the collection of data. They may not collect more data than strictly necessary for that goal. Etcetera, etcetera. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] TWO (probably stupid) questions about partitions
Fernando Meira wrote: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda2 1276 4208 23559322+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda3 4209 4271 506047+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda4 4272 4864 4763272+ 83 Linux /dev/hda5 1276 4208 23559291 b W95 FAT32 [...] 1. Can /boot be inside an Extended partition? Would probably be place in hda6... I think so. But your hda1 partition doesn't seem to be a logical volume in a extended partition. 2. In case of not changing my boot config (my doing Q1), will I need to re-install my bootloader in MBR anew? Or on other words, will MBR be erased when cleaning hda1? If you change the /boot partition from hdaX to hdaY, you'll need to change the your bootloader setup... Question extra :) : what tends to be bigger /etc or /usr ? /usr []'s Mauro -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Does openoffice really require pam?
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:32:26 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I don't really want to install pam just because of OOo. Does OOo | *REALLY* require pam? No, but tcsh does, and openoffice's build system requires tcsh. So it's possible to #emerge -Ca app-shells/tcsh #emerge -p --depclean [have a nice reading] #emerge --depclean To get rid of them after them after ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Does openoffice really require pam?
On 8/11/05, Bastian Balthazar Bux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's possible to #emerge -Ca app-shells/tcsh #emerge -p --depclean [have a nice reading] #emerge --depclean To get rid of them after them after ? Couldn't you use the binary ooo package to avoid the build-time dependency? Regards, Andreas -- And I hate redundancy, and having different functions for the same thing. - Linus Torvalds on linux-kernel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Benno Schulenberg wrote: Holly Bostick wrote: I have the right to observe, and I also have the right to record my observations, Yes, as an individual you have that right (unless you're observing military installations :). But Google is a company, and companies are bound to some rules: http://home.planet.nl/~privacy1/wbp_en_rev.htm Or in a more understandable form (but in Dutch): http://www.justitie.nl/themas/meer/hoofdlijnen_wbp.asp In short: Organisations may only collect and use personal data for a well-defined goal. This goal they must define up front, before starting the collection of data. They may not collect more data than strictly necessary for that goal. Etcetera, etcetera. Benno I personally think it is an uneeded FireFox bashing. I do agree that a software program should not be as dependant on a single website (Google) as FireFox is. I think that the instant Im Feeling Lucky feature needs some big changes. And for those of us who would rather not use Google, well, its a pain. I know that FireFox is trying to be helpful, and I understand that. I just dont want to see it on the road to Microsoft Word's 'helpfulness'. I DONT WANT TO TAB IT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] IT!!! ..ahem.. Ive seen worse features in programs, but I think that FireFox should be less dependant on something like a website. That really should go for anything, if no program depended on anything else, it would make installs (Yes I know about emerge, :) ) much easier. I think that Mozilla's financial status is completely irrelevant to this story, and in no way affects their program. In fact, if they pull in money, they can use it to make their browser/emailClient much better. This article has some truths, but also some major faults. Im still happy to use Firefox. Ian begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: PentaQuad=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] real-time priority
Joseph wrote: How to list real-time priority in Linux for an application (example asterisk)? Do you mean processor scheduling? This program deserves more processor time/power than others? If so, find out the process ID of the app you want to 'promote' or 'demote' and take it with you into a konsole/terminal and type this: renice process ID priority The priority is on a scale. -21---0--+21 The negative priorities are promotions. Giving it a -21 would bring down many other applications the second they tried to use the processor. I never really go above ten, either way. HTH, Ian begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: PentaQuad=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] TWO (probably stupid) questions about partitions
Fernando Meira wrote: Hi, this is how my disk is divided: Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 11275102414067 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda21276420823559322+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda342094271 506047+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda442724864 4763272+ 83 Linux /dev/hda51276420823559291b W95 FAT32 Now I want to clean hda1 (which has windows) and mount there /usr and point $PORTAGE_TMPDIR there (because my gentoo system, in hda4, run out of space). Once I'm doing this, I could split that partition into smaller ones (e.g. to create /boot), but hda1 needs to be Extended. So, 1. Can /boot be inside an Extended partition? Would probably be place in hda6... Don't know 2. In case of not changing my boot config (my doing Q1), will I need to re-install my bootloader in MBR anew? Or on other words, will MBR be erased when cleaning hda1? MBR is not erased, but it need to know where /boot is, whit grub you need to repeat the grub root (hd0,x) setup (hd0) quit phase. Having different partitions for an home system (with the exception of /boot in hda1 ) has always revealed useless for me. Also allocating 100 Mb for hda1/boot your first partition is much bigger than the actual /dev/hda4 . What about to move your entire system in that place ? When finished this leave to you the entire space hda4 space and the choice of what to with that. The easyer way I know to to this is 1) have handy a bootable livecd/resque disk. 2) substituite hda1 with - hda1 = /boot = 50-100 Mb - hda2 = / = all the rest 3) mkfs.[your preferred] /dev/hda1 4) mkfs.[your preferred] /dev/hda2 5) Stop all services you can 6) mkdir /mnt/TheFuture /mnt/ThePast 7) mount -obind / /mnt/ThePast 8) mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/TheFuture 9) mkdir /mnt/TheFuture/boot 10) mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/TheFuture/boot 11) cp -a /mnt/ThePast/* /mnt/TheFuture/ 12) check with ls -al /mnt/ThePast/ if there are hidden file to copy 13) change /mnt/TheFuture/etc/fstab /boot/grub/grub.conf 14) rerun your bootloader install phase (if grub see before) reboot Try to boot each of your S.O. Warning the previous mentioned hda1 may be called hdaX from the partitioner, check it. Hint, groub admit editing of the boot parameters pressing e key, may be handy if there are any mistake in grub.conf Question extra :) : what tends to be bigger /etc or /usr ? check it yourself #du -sh /etc /usr usr is the bigger partition in the system usually Thanks, Fernando HIH, Francesco -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT?] What's going on with X.org?
Holly Bostick wrote: [snip] Go, dev team! We believe in you! If anybody can manage this migration (relatively) painlessly, you can! have a preview, pasting from gentoo-dev: Donnie Berkholz wrote: |Donnie Berkholz wrote: | | I started a brief migrating to modular X howto, on popular demand. | Comments and additions would be appreciated. | | It's at | http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/migrating_to_modular_x_howto.txt | | Thanks, | Donnie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie installing with genkernel, but no initrd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Assaf Urieli wrote: However, after I ran the genkernel script, and I do a: # ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initrd* I get: ls: /boot/initrd*: No such file or directory /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 There is, however, a file called /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 You need the names of these files for your bootloader configuration scipt - I use grub, so mine is grub.conf. You have the name of the kernel and when you are adding the line for the initrd in you configuration script, you use '/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6' Hope this helps. I got stumped on this my first try too. Regards, Colleen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC+8MmBEKKz3fpe6IRAl3bAJ9e68ttPmjBzd20244UwVBmwxGt7gCeNtCB EYEro/7RkRajovQ6N+zbLe4= =Kd2Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
Hi, On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:30:31 +0930 Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd vote for a preference setting for prefetching: - disable / enable / enable for the same host only a little bit like cookie handling. from http://www.scroogle.org/gscrape.html#ffox Fortunately, you can disable this feature by entering about:config in the address bar and then scrolling down to network.prefetch-next and toggling it to false Yep, I knew that. But my point was that there should be a third setting, not only enable/disable, but something like allow prefetch only for pages on the same host. Cookie handling already has this, AFAIK. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] TWO (probably stupid) questions about partitions
Hi Francesco, thanks for your reply. You gave me a new idea. I can't create 2 partition as you proposed, but only one. This because I already have 3 primary and 1 extended. Yes.. big mess.. have to fix it later... So, what I will do is this: - leave around 32M in the beginning of the disk for a future /boot when I can alter the partitions table freely. - create hda1, starting after 32M until the end of spare disk. - move the system from hda4 to hda1, the way you said. BTW, cp -a or rsync would get better results? Question: I had a bootable flag on my windoze partition before (hda1), though /boot was in hda4. Now should I move it to where /boot will stay, right? Thanks, Fernando.On 8/11/05, Bastian Balthazar Bux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fernando Meira wrote: Hi, this is how my disk is divided: Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks IdSystem /dev/hda1 * 11275102414067HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda21276420823559322+ fW95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda342094271506047+82Linux swap / Solaris /dev/hda442724864 4763272+83Linux /dev/hda51276420823559291bW95 FAT32 Now I want to clean hda1 (which has windows) and mount there /usr and point $PORTAGE_TMPDIR there (because my gentoo system, in hda4, run out of space). Once I'm doing this, I could split that partition into smaller ones (e.g. to create /boot), but hda1 needs to be Extended. So, 1. Can /boot be inside an Extended partition? Would probably be place in hda6...Don't know 2. In case of not changing my boot config (my doing Q1), will I need to re-install my bootloader in MBR anew? Or on other words, will MBR be erased when cleaning hda1?MBR is not erased, but it need to know where /boot is, whit grub youneed to repeat thegrub root (hd0,x)setup (hd0)quitphase.Having different partitions for an home system (with the exception of/boot in hda1 ) has always revealed useless for me.Also allocating 100 Mb for hda1/boot your first partition is much bigger than the actual /dev/hda4 .What about to move your entire system in that place ? When finished thisleave to you the entire space hda4 space and the choice of what to withthat.The easyer way I know to to this is 1) have handy a bootable livecd/resque disk.2) substituite hda1 with - hda1 = /boot = 50-100 Mb - hda2 = / = all the rest3) mkfs.[your preferred] /dev/hda14) mkfs.[your preferred] /dev/hda2 5) Stop all services you can6) mkdir /mnt/TheFuture /mnt/ThePast7) mount -obind / /mnt/ThePast8) mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/TheFuture9) mkdir /mnt/TheFuture/boot10) mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/TheFuture/boot 11) cp -a /mnt/ThePast/* /mnt/TheFuture/12) check with ls -al /mnt/ThePast/ if there are hidden file to copy13) change /mnt/TheFuture/etc/fstab /boot/grub/grub.conf14) rerun your bootloader install phase (if grub see before) rebootTry to boot each of your S.O.Warning the previous mentioned hda1 may be called hdaX from thepartitioner, check it.Hint, groub admit editing of the boot parameters pressing e key, may be handy if there are any mistake in grub.conf Question extra :) : what tends to be bigger /etc or /usr ?check it yourself#du -sh /etc /usrusr is the bigger partition in the system usually Thanks, FernandoHIH, Francesco--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Does openoffice really require pam?
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:32:26 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I don't really want to install pam just because of OOo. Does OOo | *REALLY* require pam? No, but tcsh does, and openoffice's build system requires tcsh. Is that really true. The simple experiment I just did (below), I interpreet as it's openoffice that wants pam. 23:52:25 poke:~ $sudo emerge -Dpv openoffice These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies - !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy sys-libs/pam have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - sys-libs/pam-0.78-r2 (masked by: package.mask) - sys-libs/pam-0.77-r8 (masked by: package.mask) - sys-libs/pam-0.77-r6 (masked by: package.mask) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or section 2.2 Software Availability in the Gentoo Handbook. !!!(dependency required by app-office/openoffice-1.1.4-r1 [ebuild]) 23:52:33 poke:~ $sudo emerge -Dpv tcsh These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] app-shells/tcsh-6.14 +perl 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB -- Christer -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Does openoffice really require pam?
Christer Ekholm wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:32:26 +0200 Alexander Skwar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I don't really want to install pam just because of OOo. Does OOo
| *REALLY* require pam?
No, but tcsh does, and openoffice's build system requires tcsh.
Is that really true. The simple experiment I just did (below), I
interpreet as it's openoffice that wants pam.
Taken from the OOo ebuild
DEPEND=${RDEPEND}
=sys-apps/findutils-4.1.20-r1
app-shells/tcsh
dev-util/pkgconfig
curl? ( net-misc/curl )
zlib? ( sys-libs/zlib )
sys-libs/pam
!dev-util/dmake
java? ( =virtual/jdk-1.4.1 )
!java? ( dev-libs/libxslt )
thus is OOo thats bringing in pam.
I suppose, if you don't want pam, you could try removing the
sys-libs/pam line from the ebuild and seeing what happens :)
23:52:25 poke:~ $sudo emerge -Dpv openoffice
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies -
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy sys-libs/pam have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- sys-libs/pam-0.78-r2 (masked by: package.mask)
- sys-libs/pam-0.77-r8 (masked by: package.mask)
- sys-libs/pam-0.77-r6 (masked by: package.mask)
For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
section 2.2 Software Availability in the Gentoo Handbook.
!!!(dependency required by app-office/openoffice-1.1.4-r1 [ebuild])
23:52:33 poke:~ $sudo emerge -Dpv tcsh
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild R ] app-shells/tcsh-6.14 +perl 0 kB
Total size of downloads: 0 kB
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Re: [gentoo-user] TWO (probably stupid) questions about partitions
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:09:38 +, Fernando Meira wrote: Now I want to clean hda1 (which has windows) and mount there /usr and point $PORTAGE_TMPDIR there (because my gentoo system, in hda4, run out of space). Once I'm doing this, I could split that partition into smaller ones (e.g. to create /boot), but hda1 needs to be Extended. So, 1. Can /boot be inside an Extended partition? Would probably be place in hda6... Yes it can. I never have any primary partitions on x86/amd64 boxes, so /boot is always on /dev/hda5. 2. In case of not changing my boot config (my doing Q1), will I need to re-install my bootloader in MBR anew? Or on other words, will MBR be erased when cleaning hda1? No, the MBR is separate from any partition tables. that's why hda1 starts on block 1, the MBR is on block 0. Question extra :) : what tends to be bigger /etc or /usr ? /usr, by a long way. But the question is largely irrelevant, you cannot put /etc on a separate partition. How would you mount it? -- Neil Bothwick Earlier, I didn't have time to finish anything. This time I w pgpeJb0JlmMyb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] real-time priority
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 15:06 +, Ian K wrote: Joseph wrote: How to list real-time priority in Linux for an application (example asterisk)? Do you mean processor scheduling? This program deserves more processor time/power than others? If so, find out the process ID of the app you want to 'promote' or 'demote' and take it with you into a konsole/terminal and type this: renice process ID priority The priority is on a scale. -21---0--+21 The negative priorities are promotions. Giving it a -21 would bring down many other applications the second they tried to use the processor. I never really go above ten, either way. HTH, Ian I'm not sure if that what they mean with real-time priority. All I was able to find out that some of them are running Asterisk with switch -p; so they start asterisk with: asterisk -p This is an explanation what -p switch does (from asterisk man): If supported by the operating system (and executing as root), attempt to run with realtime priority for increased performance and responsiveness within the Asterisk process, at the expense of other programs running on the same machine. I now that I could start asterisk with higher priority level; so I modified the startup script to start asterisk with nice -15. But some of the members in asterisk forum insisting that nice is not the same as real-time priority. Here are two replies I received form Asterisk forum: -- reply 1 -- What do you mean with listing real-time priority? You can list process priorities with commands like top or ps -eo pri,nice,%cpu,pid,args --sort pri (for example). If you're interrested in asterisk's real-time responsiveness, the following might be of interrest. Real-time priority actually doesn't exist in Linux (you'll need to use a real RTOS for that). Still, Linux makes a destinction between processes that need sort of real-time response times and processes that don't. Controlling this in a direct way is a difficult, if possible at all. Prioritizing processes is done on the fly (in real time) by the scheduling process in the Linux core. However, there is a way to manipulate the prioritizing of processes with a command called 'nice'. Normally you use this command (with a positive adjustment value) to make a process to behave 'nice' to other processes. That is, it gives the process a lower priority that it would normally get, thus making it a relative low priority process. By using nice with a negative adjustment (you'll need to be root for that), you're able to give a certain process a higher priority than it would normally get, thus giving the process more of a 'real-time' priority. In my experience it proved to be more usefull to give all the processes, that stood in the way of asterisk performance, a positive nice adjustment, rather than giving asterisk a negative nice adjustment. I haven't tested this thoroughly, so I'm not sure about the reasons for this. It could have something to with asterisk getting in the way of Linux's core processes when incresing it's priority. Still, it's nothing more than a guess. - end replay 1 --- reply 2 - Real-time priority actually doesn't exist in Linux Sure it does. you'll need to use a real RTOS for that Thanks to Ingo Molnars' realtime patches, the gnu/linux audio community runs with latencies sub 1ms. Controlling this in a direct way is a difficult, if possible at all chrt(1) --- end reply 2 - -- #Joseph -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] real-time priority
On 8/10/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to list real-time priority in Linux for an application (example asterisk)? man schedtoot man chrt Have fun, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] real-time priority
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 17:19 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On 8/10/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to list real-time priority in Linux for an application (example asterisk)? man schedtoot man chrt Have fun, Mark Thanks Mark, But they must be part of some other package. I can not find schedtoot or chrt on my system nor they are in portage. -- #Joseph -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] weird 1000baseT problem
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 20:40 +0100, Uwe Thiem wrote: Case 5: I log into B and sftp into A. It sits there for about 10 seconds before presenting me with a password prompt. After, I get transfer rates close to case 2 and case 3, just the other way round. The issues with the slow logon is most likely due to some DNS lookups or something. I've had this before, (can't remember what happened but managed to fix it). I believe your SSH sessions will also be hung for 10 secs? -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 09:39:26 up 10:55, 7 users, load average: 0.55, 0.42, 0.72 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] real-time priority
On 8/11/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 17:19 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On 8/10/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to list real-time priority in Linux for an application (example asterisk)? man schedtoot man chrt Have fun, Mark Thanks Mark, But they must be part of some other package. I can not find schedtoot or chrt on my system nor they are in portage. -- #Joseph My bad typing. schedtool, not schedtoot flash ~ # equery belongs schedtool [ Searching for file(s) schedtool in *... ] sys-process/schedtool-1.2.3 (/usr/share/doc/schedtool) sys-process/schedtool-1.2.3 (/usr/bin/schedtool) flash ~ # flash ~ # emerge -pv schedtool These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] sys-process/schedtool-1.2.3 24 kB Total size of downloads: 24 kB flash ~ # flash ~ # equery belongs chrt [ Searching for file(s) chrt in *... ] sys-process/schedutils-1.3.5 (/usr/bin/chrt) flash ~ # emerge -pv schedutils These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] sys-process/schedutils-1.3.5 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB flash ~ # -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] weird 1000baseT problem
Right - I saw this a few weeks ago when I took a new Myth frontend machine to my dad's house and had my DNS server as the top server in /etc/resolv.conf instead of the ones he should use on his network. On 8/11/05, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 20:40 +0100, Uwe Thiem wrote: Case 5: I log into B and sftp into A. It sits there for about 10 seconds before presenting me with a password prompt. After, I get transfer rates close to case 2 and case 3, just the other way round. The issues with the slow logon is most likely due to some DNS lookups or something. I've had this before, (can't remember what happened but managed to fix it). I believe your SSH sessions will also be hung for 10 secs? -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 09:39:26 up 10:55, 7 users, load average: 0.55, 0.42, 0.72 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:19:43 +0200 Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you feel if a company bought lots of too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around wherever you went (in these public places, which would certainly include shops but not the bathroom...)? Without you being conscious of it? Very useful to follow someone around to get their (window)shopping habits, and almost certainly completely illegal. How are these different (apart from legality)? Um...you may not know this, but Holly is in the UK. London in particular has cameras all over the place. From what I've heard, it's not possible to walk in public there without being recorded. In public, there is already a trail of her activities. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, udev and Palm Tungsten T5
no but I have used a treo 600 and it works fine. whats more i found this last night: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html (near the bottom) which also points to this: http://www.clasohm.com/blog/one-entry?entry%5fid=12096 I am yet to set up any udev rules for it. Some points to note: 1. unlike many usb devices plugging a palm device in is insufficient to get the kernel and udev and hotlpug to do anything. you need to push the hotsync button. 2. you then get two devices (well on the treo anyway) - something like ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 - only one of them is any good, the odd one. They may not be in the top level of /dev, but in some subdirectory. find and the kernel logs are your friends. 3. sometimes the next time you press the button the kernel assigns ttyUSB2 and ttyUSB3 which is annoying, and had me stumped for a while. A udev rule pointing to /dev/pilot (as proposed by Daniel Drake and Carsten Clasohm) should fix that. I look forward to implementing it. I am assuming that there is nothing in the tungsten 5 that changes any of that, if there is I apologise for wasting your time, and can be of no further assistance. On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:56:33 +0200 Stefan Onken wrote: Hello, is anyone using a Palm Tungsten T5 under Gentoo and Udev ? I tried google up and down, read tons of docs and howtos, but I can get it to work. Any real life experience would be very helpful. cu stonki -- www.stonki.de www.krename.net www.kbarcode.net www.proftpd.de -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] weird 1000baseT problem
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:40:12 +0100 Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am puzzled. First I thought that the Gb NIC on box A is somehow kaput but case 1 surely shows it is performing. What the heck is going on here? I would be deeply indebted to any person on this list that could shed some light on this. Any hint what to investigate would be highly appreciated. Really. This has troubled me for the last three days and I would go as far as ship you a Windhoek Lager. ;-) The long timeout before password is probably DNS not working the port properly. Just a guess. Have you tried - scp, in both directions? And which nfs? V3, V4? I suggest V4, if not. Have you run top and netstat -rn on both boxes to see what they think the routing is? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] multiple kernels in grub
I manually configured a kernel during the install and went back afterward and added a genkernel version since I was having a few problems during boot (resolution, network, etc). In /boot, I have both linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 and kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6. In /boot/grub/grub.conf, only the genkernel is listed During startup, only the linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 kernel shows on the grub menu /usr/src does not contain the genkernel build. Im sure I did something wrong, but I dont want to start over. Any input is greatly appreciated. John D
Re: [gentoo-user] multiple kernels in grub
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:15:38 -0400 John Dangler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In /boot, I have both linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 and kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6. In /boot/grub/grub.conf, only the genkernel is listed Just edit /boot/grub/grub.conf. You can read about how in the - Configuring the Bootloader section of the installation manual - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=10 Just add the 3 lines necessary with the definition of the second kernel. Something like - -- title=Gentoo 2.6.12-r4 root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-gentoo-r4 root=/dev/hda3 title=Gentoo 2.6.11-r11 root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11-gentoo-r11 root=/dev/hda3 Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] real-time priority
Joseph wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 17:19 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On 8/10/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to list real-time priority in Linux for an application (example asterisk)? man schedtoot man chrt Have fun, Mark Thanks Mark, But they must be part of some other package. I can not find schedtoot or chrt on my system nor they are in portage. Sorry, Joseph, I clearly have no idea what I am talking about. :) Ian begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: PentaQuad=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
