Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:23:51 -0600, Dale wrote: If grub gets hosed, you can boot a Win 98 CD or a boot floppy and run fdisk /mbr on it. I recently took a hard drive of mine out of a friends computer that was dual booting and that was what I did. Now windoze XP boots up like Linux was never there. I'm not sure if you can do that from the win XP CD or not though. You can, but the command is now fixmbr. -- Neil Bothwick Politically Incorrect -- and damn proud of it! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
-Original Message- From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2006 06:24 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup If grub gets hosed, you can boot a Win 98 CD or a boot floppy and run fdisk /mbr on it. I recently took a hard drive of mine out of a friends computer that was dual booting and that was what I did. Now windoze XP boots up like Linux was never there. I'm not sure if you can do that from the win XP CD or not though. I'm not a windoze person. I don't have and never had windoze, ever. The command fixmbr ran with the WinXP installation CD will reinstall the M$Windoze boot code in the MBR. Similarly the command fixboot will rewrite the partition boot sector if by mistake Grub was installed in the WinXP partition boot sector instead of the MBR. A lot of people unnecessarily reinstall M$Windoze when either of these two little tips could save the day. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:23:51 -0600, Dale wrote: If grub gets hosed, you can boot a Win 98 CD or a boot floppy and run fdisk /mbr on it. I recently took a hard drive of mine out of a friends computer that was dual booting and that was what I did. Now windoze XP boots up like Linux was never there. I'm not sure if you can do that from the win XP CD or not though. You can, but the command is now fixmbr. Good to know that. I learned something today. Now I can go to bed. :-) Oh, just so you know, my ISP got the email sorted out and my connection problems too. They called in a guru and he worked on some other problems first then tackled my email problem. I no longer connect to Qwest network. I connect to datasync and they have it set up correctly for me and Mozilla. Now to finish downloading the new Open Office with a 26K connection. O_O Dale goes to cry himself to sleep Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives. Named Smoker 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive. Named Swifty 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 224MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive. Named Pokey 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive. Named Putput All run Gentoo Linux, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
I have seen so many howtos about dual booting windows and Linux. You can even create a boot floppy or install a program call GAG. I think is also possible GRUB will boot Windows as well. You should do a search on Google "dual boot win and linux" Let me know if you need more details, I could send you specific links. I hope it helps AlfreditoIain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 22:05 -0800, Ryan Tandy wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: 1. use the windows to chain-boot linux (possible, but I don't know what for :)Sorry, this isn't possible - I should know, I've tried in the past. Wasted too much t! ime on it, too. Windows can only multi-boot with other Windows. And if you've managed to get it to do otherwise, please tell me how!Aha, the old "I've tried it and it didn't work for me so it's notpossible" trick ;)I do remember trying it with windows 2000, and I think I got it to bootmy redhat install, back in the days. I vaguely remember something aboutediting .ini or .sys or something files on windows, but I don't havewindows 2000 or redhat any more. And you know what they say aboutmemories being created, so it may (or may not) be possible :)-- Iain Buchanan If the user points the gun at his foot and pulls the trigger, it is our job to ensure the bullet gets where it's supposed to.-- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
Am Dienstag, den 24.01.2006, 16:17 +0930 schrieb Iain Buchanan: On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 22:05 -0800, Ryan Tandy wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: massive snippage 1. use the windows to chain-boot linux (possible, but I don't know what for :) even more massive snippage Sorry, this isn't possible - I should know, I've tried in the past. Wasted too much time on it, too. Windows can only multi-boot with other Windows. And if you've managed to get it to do otherwise, please tell me how! Aha, the old I've tried it and it didn't work for me so it's not possible trick ;) I have to second that. There's not much magic in letting Windows 2K and above boot alien OSes. boot.ini is the one you have to deal with. I do remember trying it with windows 2000, and I think I got it to boot my redhat install, back in the days. I vaguely remember something about editing .ini or .sys or something files on windows, but I don't have windows 2000 or redhat any more. And you know what they say about memories being created, so it may (or may not) be possible :) -- Iain Buchanan iain at netspace dot net dot au Deek If the user points the gun at his foot and pulls the trigger, it is our job to ensure the bullet gets where it's supposed to. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
On 1/24/06, Ryan Tandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this isn't possible - I should know, I've tried in the past. Wasted too much time on it, too. Windows can only multi-boot with other Windows. And if you've managed to get it to do otherwise, please tell me how! I did it on my first dual boot, when I kept reading things like do not install grub into the mbr or you won't get back into windows!! I have no idea where I found instructions, but if I recall, you just dd if=/boot of=/osshare/linux.bin, and stick a reference to linux.bin in your boot.ini. Or something to that effect. There are also Gentoo-specific instructions at the wiki: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Boot_from_Windows_Bootloader_(NTLDR)_and_why . -- ellotheth rimmwen * monjoy * -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
On 1/23/06, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone recommend which is the best method for setup, start with Gentoo or Windows? Definitely start with Windows, it makes life so much easier later. I usually partition the drive in two using the XP setup utility (which is pathetic, but functional), installing Windows on the first 4gb or so and leaving the rest for fdisk. Gentoo has about 6.5gb, and any extra goes into the fat32 shared partition. (If I had more space, I'd probably give Gentoo a good 10gb, to leave room for those OpenOffice.org compiles...) -- ellotheth rimmwen * monjoy * -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
It's best to install Windows first, as it always overwrites the master boot record, which destroys a Grub or Lilo setup. Grub is perfectly capable of booting Windows by 'chain loading' to the Windows loader. Booting linux from the Windows loader is a lot more complex. I'd recommend having a fat32 (vfat) partition for sharing data between the Windows and Linux. However, one of the major snags with vfat is that it does not support group and user attributes, and seems to map the fat 'archive' attribute to 'executable' under linux, which is rather irritating. vfat is also a poor choice for NFS sharing because of it's lack of user and group attributes. Cheers, Dave Sean wrote on 01/24/06 04:06: I have a laptop I want to setup to boot either Gentoo or Windows. Looking around I am trying to find recommendations as to which is better to install first, Gentoo or Windows. From what I found, either often gets a recommendation. Would anyone recommend which is the best method for setup, start with Gentoo or Windows? I also want to setup a common partition for data storage which both can access. Again, can anyone recommend a setup? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
*/Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Aha, the old I've tried it and it didn't work for me so it's not possible trick ;) *shifty eyes* maybe... but I know other people who have also tried it and failed, and I have yet to see a written account of it happening. So - guilty until proven innocent. ;) I do remember trying it with windows 2000, and I think I got it to boot my redhat install, back in the days. I vaguely remember something about editing .ini or .sys or something files on windows, but I don't have windows 2000 or redhat any more. And you know what they say about memories being created, so it may (or may not) be possible :) Agreed. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
Ryan Tandy wrote: */Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Aha, the old I've tried it and it didn't work for me so it's not possible trick ;) *shifty eyes* maybe... but I know other people who have also tried it and failed, and I have yet to see a written account of it happening. So - guilty until proven innocent. ;) I do remember trying it with windows 2000, and I think I got it to boot my redhat install, back in the days. I vaguely remember something about editing .ini or .sys or something files on windows, but I don't have windows 2000 or redhat any more. And you know what they say about memories being created, so it may (or may not) be possible :) Agreed. I can say that back int the redhat 6.3 days, i was able to get redhat to boot from the NT4 loader. And i could have sworn that there was a HOWTO on the LDP, but i can't find it now. So at least 5 or 6 years ago it could have been done. But with such nice bootloaders as grub and lilo, why would you want to bother with XP's... just create a boot disk for XP, just in case you hose grub, and you'll always be safe. bryce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
Bryce Verdier wrote: I can say that back int the redhat 6.3 days, i was able to get redhat to boot from the NT4 loader. And i could have sworn that there was a HOWTO on the LDP, but i can't find it now. So at least 5 or 6 years ago it could have been done. But with such nice bootloaders as grub and lilo, why would you want to bother with XP's... just create a boot disk for XP, just in case you hose grub, and you'll always be safe. bryce If grub gets hosed, you can boot a Win 98 CD or a boot floppy and run fdisk /mbr on it. I recently took a hard drive of mine out of a friends computer that was dual booting and that was what I did. Now windoze XP boots up like Linux was never there. I'm not sure if you can do that from the win XP CD or not though. I'm not a windoze person. I don't have and never had windoze, ever. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives. Named Smoker 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive. Named Swifty 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 224MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive. Named Pokey 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive. Named Putput All run Gentoo Linux, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Sean wrote: I have a laptop I want to setup to boot either Gentoo or Windows. Looking around I am trying to find recommendations as to which is better to install first, Gentoo or Windows. From what I found, either often gets a recommendation. Would anyone recommend which is the best method for setup, start with Gentoo or Windows? always, always install windows first. when you install grub with gentoo,you make the grub.conf that chainboots windows. if you install windows second, it won't ask...and you'll end up booting into the install cd and installing grub again anyway. I also want to setup a common partition for data storage which both can access. Again, can anyone recommend a setup? Thanks Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 22:06 -0500, Sean wrote: I have a laptop I want to setup to boot either Gentoo or Windows. [snip] Would anyone recommend which is the best method for setup, start with Gentoo or Windows? it doesn't matter, IMHO, so long as you know that windows will overwrite your grub (or lilo) mbr, in favour of its own. From there you have two choices: 1. use the windows to chain-boot linux (possible, but I don't know what for :) 2. re-install grub with your live-cd (which you still have from you recent gentoo install) Hence you can see that it may be easier to install windows first, so you don't have to do grub twice. I also want to setup a common partition for data storage which both can access. Again, can anyone recommend a setup? I use an ntfs (for windows) partition, various ext2/3 partitions for linux, and a fat32 partition to share between the two (video files, music, etc) HTH, -- Iain Buchanan iain at netspace dot net dot au Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
Iain Buchanan wrote: massive snippage 1. use the windows to chain-boot linux (possible, but I don't know what for :) even more massive snippage Sorry, this isn't possible - I should know, I've tried in the past. Wasted too much time on it, too. Windows can only multi-boot with other Windows. And if you've managed to get it to do otherwise, please tell me how! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual Boot System Setup
On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 22:05 -0800, Ryan Tandy wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: massive snippage 1. use the windows to chain-boot linux (possible, but I don't know what for :) even more massive snippage Sorry, this isn't possible - I should know, I've tried in the past. Wasted too much time on it, too. Windows can only multi-boot with other Windows. And if you've managed to get it to do otherwise, please tell me how! Aha, the old I've tried it and it didn't work for me so it's not possible trick ;) I do remember trying it with windows 2000, and I think I got it to boot my redhat install, back in the days. I vaguely remember something about editing .ini or .sys or something files on windows, but I don't have windows 2000 or redhat any more. And you know what they say about memories being created, so it may (or may not) be possible :) -- Iain Buchanan iain at netspace dot net dot au Deek If the user points the gun at his foot and pulls the trigger, it is our job to ensure the bullet gets where it's supposed to. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
