Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.11.2011 19:26, schrieb Mick: > On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 10:45:46 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: >>> One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE >>> binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a >>> year or something. >> >> If you want a *really*

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-13 Thread Mick
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 10:45:46 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > > One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE > > binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a > > year or something. > > If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-13 Thread Dale
Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux binary distro, Debian stable is your friend :

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-13 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
> One more question.  What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE > binary distro?  I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a > year or something. If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux binary distro, Debian stable is your friend :D I have a debian i

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Am 12.11.2011 00:36, schrieb Dale: [...] Now to figure out why the windows in Kubuntu have no borders and no little X to close the window.< sighs> I hate the little details. Dale :-) :-) That is a typical symptom that the window manager is not running (probably cra

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Dale
Érico Porto wrote: Install Ubuntu. It's easy to use, and doesn't need to be configured so much. It's also friendly for beginners and has lots of references on the web if something break. Also, it's normal look is prettier then Debian. Érico V. Porto Then I guess I did OK then. I got Kubu

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Érico Porto
Install Ubuntu. It's easy to use, and doesn't need to be configured so much. It's also friendly for beginners and has lots of references on the web if something break. Also, it's normal look is prettier then Debian. Érico V. Porto On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Dale wrote: > Dale wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:44:08 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > The common thread lately is that people using Mint do not want to > change just because for no good reason. Can't argue with that - gnome2 > ain't broke so gnome3 isn't the fix. The solution is a fork. Deja Vu, or should that be Keja Vu?

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:42:31 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:47:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one > > power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a > > significant % of number of Ubuntu dow

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Mick
On Saturday 12 Nov 2011 00:42:31 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:47:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one > > power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a > > significant % of number of Ubuntu downloads.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.11.2011 02:02, schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:45:23 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > >>> What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs >>> root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do >>> what they want, or do you make that one op

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600, Dale wrote: Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:10:27 +0100, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Yes, Alan, you're right, I'm on a single-user machine. I apologize, I should have made it clear. Indeed, I can see that in a multi-users machine sudo is useful. I just don't agree on the Ubuntu policy of using sudo

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:45:23 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > > What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs > > root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do > > what they want, or do you make that one operation available to them? > SETUID bit like /b

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.11.2011 01:27, schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, >> if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the >> wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They wou

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:47:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one > power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a > significant % of number of Ubuntu downloads. How much of that is a knee-jerk reaction to Unity, Mint bei

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:10:27 +0100, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > Yes, Alan, you're right, I'm on a single-user machine. I apologize, I > should have made it clear. Indeed, I can see that in a multi-users > machine sudo is useful. I just don't agree on the Ubuntu policy of > using sudo instead of root

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600, Dale wrote: > Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, > if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the > wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do > user things but nothing else. W

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Am 12.11.2011 00:28, schrieb Dale: Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with l

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.11.2011 00:36, schrieb Dale: [...] > > Now to figure out why the windows in Kubuntu have no borders and no > little X to close the window. < sighs > I hate the little details. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > That is a typical symptom that the window manager is not running (probably crashed whil

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.11.2011 00:28, schrieb Dale: > Florian Philipp wrote: >> Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: >>> If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that >>> keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done >>> that on Linux a couple times with little probl

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600 Dale wrote: ine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but n

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure about winders to Linux.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:14:57 -0500 Michael Mol wrote: > Never used OpenSuse, but I've spent about ten years bouncing between > Ubuntu and Debian. (I started using Ubuntu around either 5.04 or 6.06. > Not sure.) > > While Ubuntu is usually among the first of the binary distros to > support new th

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:10:27 +0100 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > > Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop > > or desktop. > > > > sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you > > like security holes. > > > > Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600 Dale wrote: > ine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, > if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the > wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do > user things but nothing else. >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: > > If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that > keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done > that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure > about winders to Linux. > I suggest us

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: Never used OpenSuse, but I've spent about ten years bouncing between Ubuntu and Debian. (I started using Ubuntu around either 5.04 or 6.06. Not sure.) While Ubuntu is usually among the first of the binary distros to support new things, it's been suffering more and more (and

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:49:54 +0100 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this work

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Mick wrote: > On Friday 11 Nov 2011 07:37:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: >> >> >> >> > Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone?  Sort of a basic 'this is how you >> > update/install something for idiots' type thing.  lol >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
> Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop or > desktop. > > sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you like > security holes. > > Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find out what problem it is > designed to solve, then determine if you have tha

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Mick
On Friday 11 Nov 2011 07:37:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: > > > > > Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you > > update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol > > I think Sabayon would be a better option, but if yo

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:49:54 +0100 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > >> I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend > >> running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It > >> wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of > >> it seemed so different fr

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
>> I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running >> Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it >> was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so >> different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal >> with learn

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Dale wrote: > I have noticed the same points you found.  I set up the user "cutie" during > the install.  I logged in as cutie then did sudo su -.  That got me to root > user.  Yeppie ! Then I did passwd and typed in a root password.  After that, > I could login a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Dale wrote: Now to teach him how to update the thing. Dale :-) :-) I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Dale wrote: > > Now to teach him how to update the thing. > > Dale > > :-)  :-) > > I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread Dale
Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-d

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-11 Thread James Wall
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2011 5:17 AM, "Paul Hartman" > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes.  I want to install Linux on >> > my >> > brothers rig.  The heat sink on t

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: > Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you > update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol I think Sabayon would be a better option, but if you really want to go with *buntu/debian: - Install # sudo apt-get

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 11, 2011 5:17 AM, "Paul Hartman" wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my > > brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want > > to install Gentoo becau

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions Sorry for my mental slip... by GTK I meant Gnome :) And I left out E17 as well.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale wrote: > Hi, > > This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes.  I want to install Linux on my > brothers rig.  The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type.  I don't want > to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and > not a l

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 21:04:46 schrieb Lorenzo Bandieri: > > So, what is a easy to install distro that has > > KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy > > Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest > OpenSuse? I installed it something like two

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
> So, what is a easy to install distro that has > KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 10.11.2011 19:25, schrieb Dale: > Hi, > > This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on > my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I > don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with > a slow CPU and not a lot of ram e

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:25:11 -0600 Dale wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow C

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:25:11 -0600 Dale wrote: > Hi, > > This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux > on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. > I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig > with a slow CPU and not a

[gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro

2011-11-10 Thread Dale
Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install dist