Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 11:04:47AM -0600, Dale wrote: It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. --^ Since your spelling is not always 100% precise ;-) do you really mean show up right, or do you mean show upright? The latter is a question of support by your camera. Meant as written, this time. lol I think I explained this a bit more in another post. My camera has a separate directory for each day. Digikam doesn't seem to show them correctly. Some images don't show up at all and others show up twice or even more than twice. I think it looks for just one directory but I'm not sure. But why bother with it a special download function in the first place? Most cameras support standard USB mass storage protocol, so if you set your camera to it and plug it in via USB, it shows up as a normal mass storage device. Digikam then recognises the folder structure on it and allows you to download the images. I'm still more old school -- I copy the images over from the card using $filemanager and then import them selectively into my digikam collection, which allows me to keep it clean more easily. Digikam is a really great management application. I've been using it since KDE 3 times. Its strong points are tagging and organising, and subsequent rediscovery by tags and descriptions you assign to a photo. And though I myself haven't used it much yet apart from a few select features, it has a nice editing program, too. As I said, digikam is a nice program. I'm not saying it isn't for sure. It is a bit much for me tho since I already have a way of managing my pics. I could use digikam but I already have a system that does what it does without all the fancy stuff. As to why I use gtkam. I use it because it renames the pics as it copies and puts them in sequence. Not only do I sort them by directories but I also give them names that helps sort them too. If I just copy files the camera has, I end up with a lot of files out of order and possible duplicates and such. Of course, now I have gtkam working without crashing, so far anyway. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
* Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com [120304 15:12]: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. -- :wq I like Digikam a lot. There's some rough edges, but part of that is because a lot of development is being done all the time on it with lots of new features added. Obviously sticking to a non-bleeding edge build would reduce that a lot. The developers are all quite responsive and the Gentoo packager (Andreas) is very active too. I run it from the command line without KDE running though it's a KDE app (so you'll have to pull in bits of KDE.) Try it though. It may not be the kind of managing you're looking for (though I think it can do everything you've mentioned above with a recent enough version.) Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. As someone who also takes a LOT of pictures at times, I don't use software, I just use directories. Mine starts out like this: Camera directory Year subject matter image That works for me. I used to not have the year but that ends up with a LOT of pictures in a directory. Example of mine as it goes to a actual image: Camera-pics/2012/New Years/2012-01-05-8.JPG I have been using gtkam to download my pics for years. Thing is, it has a bug up its butt and wants to crash at random times, usually when changing the directories. Anyway, it always crashes before I am done and lets just say it gets on my freaking nerves. So, I tried digikam. Well, my camera has multiple directories and for some reason it doesn't show them all and then duplicates other images to boot. I may have 2 or 3 copies of the same picture. I have yet to figure out why that is and google, now startpage, has not helped me either. Maybe I am searching for the wrong thing? If you want software to help manage your images, I'd try digikam. If it works for you and your camera, it should do fine. If you want to go my route, try gtkam and hope like heck it doesn't crash for you too. Right now, both of those get on my nerves for different reasons. Hope that helps and is clearer than mud. Maybe someone will come along with a better plan for us both too. lol Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Michael Mol wrote: Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Well, I use scp to move the files from machines with with card readers to the machines I do processing. If digikam has any kind of 'import' support, that'd do it. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Check out the Eye-Fi? http://www.eye.fi/ When I first heard about it, someone had just gotten a receiving daemon written in Python to work with it. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120305 12:09]: [..] Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Dale Have you tried a more recent Digikam Dale? They use libgphoto2 (I believe) and also recently pulled in more support internally (again, I believe) so they continue to improve camera support. I don't know offhand what's what in the latest Gentoo stable and testing ebuilds though as I build from the upstream git in most cases. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Todd Goodman wrote: * Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120305 12:09]: [..] Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Dale Have you tried a more recent Digikam Dale? They use libgphoto2 (I believe) and also recently pulled in more support internally (again, I believe) so they continue to improve camera support. I don't know offhand what's what in the latest Gentoo stable and testing ebuilds though as I build from the upstream git in most cases. Todd Yep, I unmasked and unkeyworded the ones that were available at the time. Is unkeyworded a word in Gentoo? H. I did file a roach report with gtkam on the crash and that the gimp plugin seems to trigger it. Maybe they will have a fix. Since I don't use gtkam from within Gimp, I don't really care myself but I would like to help fix it for someone else who does use it that way. There is some more updates I could do tho. Here is the current versions: root@fireball / # equery list gtkam libgphoto2 libexif-gtk gtk+ * Searching for gtkam ... [IP-] [ ] media-gfx/gtkam-0.1.18:0 * Searching for libgphoto2 ... [IP-] [ ] media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.11-r1:0 * Searching for libexif-gtk ... [IP-] [ ] media-libs/libexif-gtk-0.3.5-r2:0 * Searching for gtk+ ... [IP-] [ ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.8-r1:2 [IP-] [ ] x11-libs/gtk+-3.0.12-r1:3 root@fireball / # When I add the -p option I see newer ones that have been added since I played with this. May have a new project. Maybe update that stuff then try the gimp flag again. The problem with Digikam is weird and sort of hard to explain. My camera has directories sorted by the date. Sometimes I have 15 or 20 directories. Digikam seems to show a couple directories in one view window but ignores the rest. Then on top of that, some images with the same file name are duplicated, some even more than twice. Is that called triplicated? lol I think it is a setting or something that I am missing. It could be a bug but I think it is just a bad setting or some setting I need to change but can't find. It wouldn't be the first time I didn't have a light bulb moment. o_O Now that I have gtkam working, at least I can get my pics off and it not crash part way through. So, I'm not to worried about digikam but may play with it some more, especially if it updates again. Maybe I should check the USE flags again too. Maybe that would help some. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Michael Mol wrote: Check out the Eye-Fi? http://www.eye.fi/ When I first heard about it, someone had just gotten a receiving daemon written in Python to work with it. Well, I don't have any wi-fi around here. I live in the sticks but I still don't want that, not yet at least. It does look neat tho. I also am going to have to get a new card. My old one is getting slow. I think it is old age, like me. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:10:40 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Well, I use scp to move the files from machines with with card readers to the machines I do processing. If digikam has any kind of 'import' support, that'd do it. Just drop the files into Digikam's working directory and run Scan for new images - you can have it scan automatically at startup, at the expense of startup time. -- Neil Bothwick Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 11:04:47AM -0600, Dale wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. --^ Since your spelling is not always 100% precise ;-) do you really mean show up right, or do you mean show upright? The latter is a question of support by your camera. But why bother with it a special download function in the first place? Most cameras support standard USB mass storage protocol, so if you set your camera to it and plug it in via USB, it shows up as a normal mass storage device. Digikam then recognises the folder structure on it and allows you to download the images. I'm still more old school -- I copy the images over from the card using $filemanager and then import them selectively into my digikam collection, which allows me to keep it clean more easily. Digikam is a really great management application. I've been using it since KDE 3 times. Its strong points are tagging and organising, and subsequent rediscovery by tags and descriptions you assign to a photo. And though I myself haven't used it much yet apart from a few select features, it has a nice editing program, too. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. The situation has never been so serious... as always. pgprNWPLdWb5T.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Photo management programs
So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Michael Mol wrote: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. As someone who also takes a LOT of pictures at times, I don't use software, I just use directories. Mine starts out like this: Camera directory Year subject matter image That works for me. I used to not have the year but that ends up with a LOT of pictures in a directory. Example of mine as it goes to a actual image: Camera-pics/2012/New Years/2012-01-05-8.JPG I have been using gtkam to download my pics for years. Thing is, it has a bug up its butt and wants to crash at random times, usually when changing the directories. Anyway, it always crashes before I am done and lets just say it gets on my freaking nerves. So, I tried digikam. Well, my camera has multiple directories and for some reason it doesn't show them all and then duplicates other images to boot. I may have 2 or 3 copies of the same picture. I have yet to figure out why that is and google, now startpage, has not helped me either. Maybe I am searching for the wrong thing? If you want software to help manage your images, I'd try digikam. If it works for you and your camera, it should do fine. If you want to go my route, try gtkam and hope like heck it doesn't crash for you too. Right now, both of those get on my nerves for different reasons. Hope that helps and is clearer than mud. Maybe someone will come along with a better plan for us both too. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. I think Digikam can do all of it and more. :) Not sure how much of KDE it will require... Check out the features list at: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/features
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Dale wrote: As someone who also takes a LOT of pictures at times, I don't use software, I just use directories. Mine starts out like this: Camera directory Year subject matter image That works for me. I used to not have the year but that ends up with a LOT of pictures in a directory. Example of mine as it goes to a actual image: Camera-pics/2012/New Years/2012-01-05-8.JPG I have been using gtkam to download my pics for years. Thing is, it has a bug up its butt and wants to crash at random times, usually when changing the directories. Anyway, it always crashes before I am done and lets just say it gets on my freaking nerves. So, I tried digikam. Well, my camera has multiple directories and for some reason it doesn't show them all and then duplicates other images to boot. I may have 2 or 3 copies of the same picture. I have yet to figure out why that is and google, now startpage, has not helped me either. Maybe I am searching for the wrong thing? If you want software to help manage your images, I'd try digikam. If it works for you and your camera, it should do fine. If you want to go my route, try gtkam and hope like heck it doesn't crash for you too. Right now, both of those get on my nerves for different reasons. Hope that helps and is clearer than mud. Maybe someone will come along with a better plan for us both too. lol Dale :-) :-) I wanted to add some testing results. I mentioned I used gtkam and it was bad to crash. Well, I experimented a bit and found out this. If I disable the gimp USE flag, gtkam doesn't seem to crash. I tested for longer than it usually lasts so it may crash again but it lasted through a lot of clicking without crashing. It is a good sign at least. By the way, gtkam crashed with a segmentation fault. I have debug turned on but it doesn't seem to help much. I may report this to the gtkam folks if it is not to much trouble. This has been going on long enough. BTW, I don't use gtkam within GIMP anyway. I only use GIMP after I have downloaded my pics. At least if you go this way, you have a possible way to get it to not crash. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
