Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-29 Thread Jonas Geiregat
Fernando Canizo wrote: El 25/ago/2005 a las 20:57 -0300, Holly me decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip The questions would be: -

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-29 Thread Holly Bostick
Jonas Geiregat schreef: Fernando Canizo wrote: El 25/ago/2005 a las 20:57 -0300, Holly me decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip Just

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread Marco Matthies
W.Kenworthy wrote: Lastly, top/bottom posting is a religion so you are unlikely to change either groups opinion, but just cause angst. [This is not meant as a flame, so please read this message to a lighthearted tune, sipping a glass of wine in the comfort of your favourite easy-chair :) --

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread Fernando Canizo
El 25/ago/2005 a las 20:57 -0300, Holly me decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread A. Khattri
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Marco Matthies wrote: I agree with you that it is annoying to scroll through a whole 10 pages of quoted e-mail conversation just to find the two-line answer hidden at the bottom The real problem is those people too lazy to trim their posts to just what they are responding

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread Daniel da Veiga
I don't mind top-posting, I guess its not offensive, ok, it sometimes waste bandwidth, so does HTML and stuff like my client signature file attached, I hate multipart, but, hey, you can't make everyone think like you do. I'll try trimming my mesgs to this list, even others, ok, and so far I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread Martin Marcher
Freitag 26 August 2005 17:21, Holly Bostick: list/whatever (4 minutes) the way I see it, you'd wind up with only somewhere between 30 seconds and 3 minutes to actually ingest food and drink. and 3 minutes are so little you could skip the break anyways... pgpwOoZEcczwJ.pgp Description:

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:06:30 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: Its not a question of lazy or not, its automation, it increased or bandwidth, decreased the time needed to reply a message and sincerely, I'm writting this on my 15 minutes lunch break, no time for trimming, bottom posting, get a

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-26 Thread A. Khattri
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Daniel da Veiga wrote: I don't mind top-posting, I guess its not offensive, ok, it sometimes waste bandwidth, so does HTML and stuff like my client signature file attached, I hate multipart, but, hey, you can't make everyone think like you do. So we should all drive on

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jerry McBride wrote: I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS I know this post was a troll - but its the dumbest thing Ive ever read. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jonathan Nichols wrote: I remember the days of netiquette. I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet hippie. :| No you're not - there's no excuse for not being polite and considerate of others when posting. And that includes not top-posting and trimming your quoted part to only

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread Michael Crute
On 8/25/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you're not - there's no excuse for not being polite and considerate ofothers when posting. And that includes not top-posting and trimming yourquoted part to only what is necessary for context. Unfortunately most people are too lazy to bother

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT), A. Khattri wrote: I know this post was a troll - but its the dumbest thing Ive ever read. You know you've been on the internet too long when the trolls are no longer amusing... -- Neil Bothwick Ralph's Observation - It is a mistake to allow any

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread Holly Bostick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread Nick Rout
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:57:31 +0200 Holly Bostick wrote: Just saw this on the Wiki (Portage utilities not in Portage), and thought it might be something for you: tsportageview (forums) (sample-html-output) (download) * Show descriptions of packages in a given portage category(-ies).

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-25 Thread W.Kenworthy
For me, bottom posting is not netiquette but a total pitta. It wastes time and effort in reading mail on the mail readers I use. It was originally used by the first text mode readers and seems to be mainly inertia, continued by the design of mainly text based based readers (pine/mutt and the

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat
Matan Peled wrote: Well, first of all, top-posting sucks, especially in a thread which has already begun as bottom-posting. What are you talking about ? Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Fernando Canizo
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting. Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom of the

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 10:39 Wed 24 Aug , Michael Crute wrote: Hey buddy go troll on somebody else's thread. -Mike Seriously, just press the down key a few times before you start typing. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Daniel da Veiga
You know bud, read some rules, be polite. If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!. Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written, you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat
Fernando Canizo wrote: El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat
Michael Crute wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
On 8/24/05, Matan Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much.

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Holly Bostick
Jonathan Nichols schreef: And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds. Edit=Account Preferences= Compostion and Addressing=Check the box that says If I respond, quote the original text

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 23:14, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. because, if you quote,

RE: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Dave Nebinger
As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. Because we don't read from bottom up, we read from top down. For example, this

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
A. Top posting! On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:14:08 -0500 Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm | using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the | top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jerry McBride
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 21:45 Wed 24 Aug , Jerry McBride wrote: For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to Well that wouldn't be a problem if people only quoted the bits of the email that were relevant to their reply. Apparently trimming the other bits is beyond most people

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Holly Bostick wrote: Jonathan Nichols schreef: And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds. Uuuh Holly, I'm quite aware of that. It's one of the very first things that I change.

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Nichols
For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS It's also the default for Gmail

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Jerry McBride wrote: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Matt Nordhoff
On 08/24/05 19:01, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Yes. However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points. Makes sense in a way. But I don't usually start reading at the top. I usually will have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest. Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have

[gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-23 Thread conan
Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. I know that gentoo is a system for connected people (this means broad band in my country), this said, if you are online then you can go and check the web page

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-23 Thread Jonas Geiregat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long descriptions? (i mean in the political decision to do so, i know is technically viable with some LONG_DESCRIPTION item in ebuilds) I think it's