Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-19 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Mark Knecht wrote: I will admit that I have a big concern about an upcoming MySQL update that is probably going to break my whole TV network here. Due to my fear I haven't upgraded MySQL and will likely come back ranting myself sometime in December when I'm probably

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Then I was able to tweak my USE flags and CFLAGS and rebuild the system to the same as I'd have got from Stage 1 Neil, Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your CFLAGS to get the equivalent of a Stage 1 install? When

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Derek Tracy
On 11/16/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:50:00 -0500, Derek Tracy wrote: The biggest reason for the reinstall was because in my contant playing around with DE's and WM's trying to find one that I completely liked. I had KDE, GNOME, E17, FVWM, OpenBOX (I

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Nagatoro
Derek Tracy wrote: [...] (I did not change any other config files) and low and behold after a quick reboot everything was working again. The magic of computers :) -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:23:46 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your CFLAGS to get the equivalent of a Stage 1 install? When installing a stage 3 you are using packages

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Bill Roberts
On 11:20 Wed 16 Nov , Derek Tracy wrote: After restarting I noticed that ipw2200 did not load properly was posted in my boot mesg WTF. I distinctly remembered during the install that I waited until after I installed the kernel, then I went ahead and installed the external

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:52:47 -0500, Allan Gottlieb wrote: What about -march ? At one point that was something that you weren't supposed to change unless using stage1. If one changes -march after stage3, are we supposed to first run bootstrap.sh before emerge -e ? There's no problem with

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On 11/17/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Then I was able to tweak my USE flags and CFLAGS and rebuild the system to the same as I'd have got from Stage 1 Neil, Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-17 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:35:27 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:52:47 -0500, Allan Gottlieb wrote: What about -march ? At one point that was something that you weren't supposed to change unless using stage1. If one changes -march after stage3, are we

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my opinions/concerns.) SNIP Understood. I certainly didn't take it that way. I have been an avid Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a lot longer than I originally intended it to be so if you want the jist of it skip to the end. (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread jarmstrong
SNIP I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I have ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I couldn't fix. Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and removed a LOT of options from the Gentoo build process. I LIKED being able to modify

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500 Derek Tracy wrote: Part way through the online handbook I noticed that they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot. I read your message and was surprised

RE: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Budd, Tracy
-Original Message- From: Nick Rout Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:12 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500 Derek Tracy wrote: Part way through the online handbook I

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread kashani
Nick Rout wrote: I read your message and was surprised at this. Last time I read the handbooks the Handbook gave stage 1/2/3 options and the 2005.1 handbook stuck to stage 3. (Talking x86 here, I have never done an instal on other architectures). Now, like you, I read this in the Handbook:

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Benjamin Martin
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:12, Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500 Derek Tracy wrote: Part way through the online handbook I noticed that they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:12, Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500 Derek Tracy wrote: Part way through the online handbook I noticed that they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Derek Tracy
On 11/16/05, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a lot longer than I originally intended it to be so if you want the jist of it skip to the end. (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but more of a

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Zac Medico
Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:20:36 -0500 Derek Tracy wrote: Part way through the online handbook I noticed that they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot. I read your message

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Benjamin Martin
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install most people end up rebuilding everything anyway within a few weeks. Very soon my Stage 3 and your

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Derek Tracy
I couldn't have said it better myself.On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install most people

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:30:28 -0600 kashani wrote: Nick Rout wrote: I read your message and was surprised at this. Last time I read the handbooks the Handbook gave stage 1/2/3 options and the 2005.1 handbook stuck to stage 3. (Talking x86 here, I have never done an instal on other

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install most people end up rebuilding everything

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Derek Tracy
I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install the default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion portage needs to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also of packages that conflict with others. Like I said before a Stable tree should be just

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Manuel McLure
Mark Knecht wrote: Good points. I agree it doesn't seem like the Gentoo way to remove options, however, in response to Derek's original point about rising or fallign numbers of Gentoo new users it might be wise to make the default install Stage 3, thus making the newest users most likely more

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Jeff Smelser
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:50 pm, Derek Tracy wrote: That is what I was  thinking when I switched to stable.  From what I am seeing either my computer doesn't like stable code or stable does not mean stable anymore. But thats not what you said. I Quote: In the past I have always

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Jeff Smelser
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:55 pm, Benjamin Martin wrote: True that the installations become identical very soon. But what if I set up server using stage 1 and an up-to-date portage tree. After the installation is finished it'll sit around doing whatever it's supposed to do and I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Richard Fish
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should work, I'm not sure this is always possible. Much of your complaint comes from the ipw2200 driver, which is new in 2.6.14. But the in-kernel version is several versions

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Richard Fish
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install the default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion portage needs to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also of packages that conflict with

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Derek Tracy
On 11/16/05, Jeff Smelser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 November 2005 02:50 pm, Derek Tracy wrote: That is what I was thinking when I switched to stable. From what I am seeing either my computer doesn't like stable code or stable does not mean stable anymore.But thats not what you

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Derek Tracy
On 11/16/05, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should work,I'm not sure this is always possible.Much of your complaint comes from the ipw2200 driver, which is new in 2.6.14.But

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:44:49 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I have ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I couldn't fix. Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and removed a LOT of

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread kashani
Derek Tracy wrote: I also want to reiterate that if they are going to make a Stage3 install the default then make it a rock solid release. And in my opinion portage needs to be pruned not only of un-maintained packages but also of packages that conflict with others. Like I said before a

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:44:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I | have ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I | couldn't fix. Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and | removed a LOT of options

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Richard Fish
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am complaining about is that neither of the drivers will work. What doesn't work? Does the module build? Does it load? What errors do you get? Does it work if you run the same kernel version and driver you used before? If the

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Richard Fish
On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have to disagree with you on this. I do not believe that it is a config issue I beleive that many of the x86 packages still do not play well with each other, that is what I am saying needs fixed. Again, be specific please. Give us

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Richard Fish
On 11/16/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Note: looks like I'm missing half this thread because certain jackasses are posting HTML messages to the list. You'd think people would've learned by now... ] We've tried educating about the evils of HTML (and top-posting). It always

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On 11/16/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I was able to tweak my USE flags and CFLAGS and rebuild the system to the same as I'd have got from Stage 1 Neil, Would you mind sharing what changes you made to your CFLAGS to get the equivalent of a Stage 1 install? Thanks, Mark --

Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?

2005-11-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:50:00 -0500, Derek Tracy wrote: The biggest reason for the reinstall was because in my contant playing around with DE's and WM's trying to find one that I completely liked. I had KDE, GNOME, E17, FVWM, OpenBOX (I think that is it) all on my system. In all of my toying